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Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Jim N7US
 

VE7CC's CC User program is a free

 

I believe it’s compatible with AR Cluster V4, not V6.

 

I have multiple “SSIDs” (e.g., N7US-20) that I created with CC User set up at VE7CC and AE5E to provide spots for different scenarios.  I have one for use with SpotCollector and several others set up for use with N1MM for different contests.

 

The different profiles are stored at those nodes, so I just connect with the SSID needed for the particular contest or SpotCollector.

 

CC User is menu driven, unlike AR Cluster V6.

Available at http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/  .

 

73,  Jim N7US

 

-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io <DXLab@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 20:26
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Reverse Beacon Spots

 

On 2022-01-12 8:53 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

> Joe, CCCluster has an extensive set of filters for users to apply,

> including spotterstate filters just like ARCkluster V6, but wrapped in

> a GUI.

The problem is "wrapped in a GUI".  I don't want to have to disconnect from the cluster and load a GUI application if conditions warrant a change in filtering.

 

> I don't know how DX Spider does in this respect, but would be

> surprised if Dirk doesn't have something similar.  I've given Dave his

> e-mail address if there are any questions.

 

DX Spider has extensive filtering options as well.  Unfortunately, all the documentation links I can find (and shared with Dave) are nearly 20 years old and predate RBN.  I'm still looking for a way to apply one (loose) set of filters to "normal" spots and a more restrictive set to RBN - or one set to CW/RTTY and a different one to FT4/FT8.

 

> And why would you want to filter only RBN spots for place of origin?

 

To reduce the volume of the "fire hose".  As I see it, there is no advantage to the "closer to the source" for skimmer spots but limiting skimmer spots to those from receivers "closer to home" will result in spots more likely to be heard/workable.

 

> and except for PSKReporter spots (which often are far from real-time),

> the RBN is the only source I know of for FTx spot.

 

PSK Reporter is the *only* source of Q65 and/or MSK144 spots.  Even with a delay, those spots are a key alert to "rovers" on 6m/2m.

 

73,

 

    ... Joe, W4TV

 

 

On 2022-01-12 8:53 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

> Joe, CCCluster has an extensive set of filters for users to apply,

> including spotterstate filters just like ARCkluster V6, but wrapped in

> a GUI.  I don't know how DX Spider does in this respect, but would be

> surprised if Dirk doesn't have something similar.  I've given Dave his

> e-mail address if there are any questions.

>

> As for applying filters only to spots coming from the RBN, those spots

> make up 99 percent of the CW spots on the cluster network today, and

> except for PSKReporter spots (which often are far from real-time), the

> RBN is the only source I know of for FTx spot.  And why would you want

> to filter only RBN spots for place of origin?

>

> 73, Pete N4ZR

> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network web server

> at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.

> For spots, please use your favorite

> "retail" DX cluster.

>

> On 1/12/2022 4:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>> On 2022-01-12 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:

>> > However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is

>> > a geographical one, such as

>> > spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]

>> 

>> Well and good ... however, I do not believe that CC Cluster or DX

>> Spider have a similar filter or one that can be applied to *only*

>> spots sourced from RBN.

>> 

>> Here are the "Manual" links for CC Cluster and DX Spider - is there a

>> similar *COMPLETE AND ACCURATE* manual for AR Cluster (not some "list

>> of filter commands useful in [limited] circumstances)?

>> 

>> DX Spider User Manual:

>> <http://www.dxcluster.org/main/usermanual_en.html>

>>    Filtering Tutorial:

>> <http://www.dxcluster.org/main/filtering_en.html>

>> 

>> CC Cluster User Manual:

>> <http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/ccc/CCC_Commands.htm>

>> 

>> 73,

>> 

>>    ... Joe, W4TV

>> 

>> 

>> On 2022-01-12 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:

>>> I'm not sure why you would want a list of all spotters who report

>>> spots to the RBN, but at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/> on the home

>>> page there is a blue text box that contains the callsigns of all

>>> currently connected skimmers, and there is a more detailed list of

>>> both offline and online skimmers at

>>> <http://www.reversebeacon.net/nodes/>.

>>> 

>>> However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is a

>>> geographical one, such as

>>> spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]

>>> 

>>> 73,

>>> Rich VE3KI

>>> 

>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 03:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>>> 

>>>     On 2022-01-12 3:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

>>> 

>>>         For example, I use a filter in ARCluster V6 that restrict

>>> spotter

>>>         locations to my "neighborhood",

>>> 

>>>     You have access to a list of all spotters who report to RBN. I

>>> do

>>>     not know of any place that information is available to the

>>> "unwashed".

>>> 

>>>         Dave has just written an excellent tabulation of

>>> cluster-based

>>>         commands that can be used to block spot streams that aren't

>>> of

>>>         current interest in each of those major programs - DXSpider,

>>> VE7CC

>>>         and AR Cluster V6 - I believe it's in the Wiki, though I

>>> can't come

>>>         up with the URL right now.

>>> 

>>>     Yes, it's:

>>> https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN

>>> <https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN>>

>>> 

>>>     The list of commands is one that I provided Dave early in the

>>> beta

>>>     process for what has become SpotCollector 9.0.5. Unfortunately,

>>> I

>>>     could not find complete and accurate user manuals for all three

>>> of

>>>     the major cluster "dialects". Many of the commands suggested are

>>> the

>>>     result of trial and error.

>>> 

>>>     73,

>>> 

>>>     ... Joe, W4TV

>>> 

 

 


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

On 2022-01-12 8:53 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
Joe, CCCluster has an extensive set of filters for users to apply, including spotterstate filters just like ARCkluster V6, but wrapped
in a GUI.
The problem is "wrapped in a GUI". I don't want to have to disconnect
from the cluster and load a GUI application if conditions warrant a
change in filtering.

I don't know how DX Spider does in this respect, but would be surprised if Dirk doesn't have something similar. I've given Dave
his e-mail address if there are any questions.
DX Spider has extensive filtering options as well. Unfortunately,
all the documentation links I can find (and shared with Dave) are
nearly 20 years old and predate RBN. I'm still looking for a way
to apply one (loose) set of filters to "normal" spots and a more
restrictive set to RBN - or one set to CW/RTTY and a different one
to FT4/FT8.

And why would you want to filter only RBN spots for place of origin?
To reduce the volume of the "fire hose". As I see it, there is no
advantage to the "closer to the source" for skimmer spots but limiting
skimmer spots to those from receivers "closer to home" will result in
spots more likely to be heard/workable.

and except for PSKReporter spots (which often are far from
real-time), the RBN is the only source I know of for FTx spot.
PSK Reporter is the *only* source of Q65 and/or MSK144 spots. Even
with a delay, those spots are a key alert to "rovers" on 6m/2m.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2022-01-12 8:53 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
Joe, CCCluster has an extensive set of filters for users to apply, including spotterstate filters just like ARCkluster V6, but wrapped in a GUI.  I don't know how DX Spider does in this respect, but would be surprised if Dirk doesn't have something similar.  I've given Dave his e-mail address if there are any questions.
As for applying filters only to spots coming from the RBN, those spots make up 99 percent of the CW spots on the cluster network today, and except for PSKReporter spots (which often are far from real-time), the RBN is the only source I know of for FTx spot.  And why would you want to filter only RBN spots for place of origin?
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
On 1/12/2022 4:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
On 2022-01-12 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:
However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is a
geographical one, such as
spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]
Well and good ... however, I do not believe that CC Cluster or DX Spider
have a similar filter or one that can be applied to *only* spots sourced
from RBN.

Here are the "Manual" links for CC Cluster and DX Spider - is there a
similar *COMPLETE AND ACCURATE* manual for AR Cluster (not some "list
of filter commands useful in [limited] circumstances)?

DX Spider User Manual:
<http://www.dxcluster.org/main/usermanual_en.html>
   Filtering Tutorial:
<http://www.dxcluster.org/main/filtering_en.html>

CC Cluster User Manual:
<http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/ccc/CCC_Commands.htm>

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2022-01-12 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:
I'm not sure why you would want a list of all spotters who report spots to the RBN, but at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/> on the home page there is a blue text box that contains the callsigns of all currently connected skimmers, and there is a more detailed list of both offline and online skimmers at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/nodes/>.

However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is a geographical one, such as
spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]

73,
Rich VE3KI

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 03:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

    On 2022-01-12 3:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

        For example, I use a filter in ARCluster V6 that restrict spotter
        locations to my "neighborhood",

    You have access to a list of all spotters who report to RBN. I do
    not know of any place that information is available to the "unwashed".

        Dave has just written an excellent tabulation of cluster-based
        commands that can be used to block spot streams that aren't of
        current interest in each of those major programs - DXSpider, VE7CC
        and AR Cluster V6 - I believe it's in the Wiki, though I can't come
        up with the URL right now.

    Yes, it's: https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN
<https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN>>

    The list of commands is one that I provided Dave early in the beta
    process for what has become SpotCollector 9.0.5. Unfortunately, I
    could not find complete and accurate user manuals for all three of
    the major cluster "dialects". Many of the commands suggested are the
    result of trial and error.

    73,

    ... Joe, W4TV






Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Thank you for this tip, Dave. When I try to do the same, I get the corresponding image, but also an error message: program error 53 in module DXAtlas.CreatGridFiles: file not found.
What does this mean?

+ It likely means that Windows is preventing DXView for deleting or creating the files Grid.wkd and Grid.cfm in its DXAtlas sub-folder.

+ DXAtlas.CreatGridFiles is only invoked if in the "DX Atlas" panel on DXView's Configuration window's "World Map" tab, Enable is selected, and "Update grid status" is checked.

+ Have you been successfully using DX Atlas to display grid square status?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

FWIW, K3LR's mirror of AB5K(SK's) AR Cluster v6 manual can be found here: http://www.k3lr.com/w9zrx/AR-Cluster%20Filter%20Commands.pdf

+ Already added to

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN

+ Thanks!

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Spot collector special call signs

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

I’m running SC version 9.0.5.
Is there a way to make the audio alarm trigger ONLY for spots of calls that appear in the special call signs list?

+ Yes:

1. make sure that each of those callsigns on the Special Callsign list specifies at least one tag; otherwise, the entry will be interpreted to mean "ignore spots of this callsign.

2. on the "Audio Alarm" tab of SpotCollector's Configuration window

2a. in the tab's upper-left corner, check the Enable box

2b. in the "Audio Alarm trigger"panel, paste

Len(Tags)>0

+ in the large textbox to the right of the small circular "SQL expression" button, and then click the "SQL expression" button

+ Clicking the "Audio Alarm trigger" panel's Test button will filter the Spot Database Display with

Len(Tags)>0

+ showing you which existing Spot Database Entries would have been announced when first created.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Michael (N1EN)
 

FWIW, K3LR's mirror of AB5K(SK's) AR Cluster v6 manual can be found here: http://www.k3lr.com/w9zrx/AR-Cluster%20Filter%20Commands.pdf

Michael / N1EN


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Pete Smith
 

Hi Rich - I suggest you take a look at beta.reversebeacon.net/main.php.  Once we get the last few bugs out of it, it'll be much more usable than the last one

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite 
"retail" DX cluster.
On 1/12/2022 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:

I'm not sure why you would want a list of all spotters who report spots to the RBN, but at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/> on the home page there is a blue text box that contains the callsigns of all currently connected skimmers, and there is a more detailed list of both offline and online skimmers at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/nodes/>.

However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is a geographical one, such as 
spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]

73,
Rich VE3KI

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 03:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
On 2022-01-12 3:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

For example, I use a filter in ARCluster V6 that restrict spotter
locations to my "neighborhood",
You have access to a list of all spotters who report to RBN. I do
not know of any place that information is available to the "unwashed".

Dave has just written an excellent tabulation of cluster-based
commands that can be used to block spot streams that aren't of
current interest in each of those major programs - DXSpider, VE7CC
and AR Cluster V6 - I believe it's in the Wiki, though I can't come
up with the URL right now.
Yes, it's: https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN>

The list of commands is one that I provided Dave early in the beta
process for what has become SpotCollector 9.0.5. Unfortunately, I
could not find complete and accurate user manuals for all three of
the major cluster "dialects". Many of the commands suggested are the
result of trial and error.

73,

... Joe, W4TV



Re: Incorrect Grid in USAP Database

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

My grid in the USAP database shows as CN87tx. However, I am located in CN87tw. The difference is only .2 of a mile but it is incorrect. Is there anyway to fix this? If it is based on Zip code I understand why it is wrong. The post office for 98236 is in CN87tx. Our Zip code covers multiple grids.

+ Grid squares in the USAP database are computed from the centroid of the zipcode each US operator filed with the Federal Communications Commission when applying for his or her license. DXLab applications use USAP-provided gridsquare to display an azimuth for aiming an antenna, and to disambiguate spot notes like <CN87><FN42>; such grid squares are not used when pursuing or tracking grid-driven awards like VUCC. Thus your CN87tx entry is fine.

+ The only way to change your entry in the USAP database as requested is to change the geometry of your zipcode so that its centroid falls in CN87tw.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Pete Smith
 

Joe, CCCluster has an extensive set of filters for users to apply, including spotterstate filters just like ARCkluster V6, but wrapped in a GUI.  I don't know how DX Spider does in this respect, but would be surprised if Dirk doesn't have something similar.  I've given Dave his e-mail address if there are any questions.

As for applying filters only to spots coming from the RBN, those spots make up 99 percent of the CW spots on the cluster network today, and except for PSKReporter spots (which often are far from real-time), the RBN is the only source I know of for FTx spot.  And why would you want to filter only RBN spots for place of origin?

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite 
"retail" DX cluster.
On 1/12/2022 4:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 2022-01-12 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:
> However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is a
> geographical one, such as
> spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]

Well and good ... however, I do not believe that CC Cluster or DX Spider
have a similar filter or one that can be applied to *only* spots sourced
from RBN.

Here are the "Manual" links for CC Cluster and DX Spider - is there a
similar *COMPLETE AND ACCURATE* manual for AR Cluster (not some "list
of filter commands useful in [limited] circumstances)?

DX Spider User Manual:
       <http://www.dxcluster.org/main/usermanual_en.html>
   Filtering Tutorial:
       <http://www.dxcluster.org/main/filtering_en.html>

CC Cluster User Manual:
       <http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/ccc/CCC_Commands.htm>

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2022-01-12 4:36 PM, ve3ki wrote:
I'm not sure why you would want a list of all spotters who report spots to the RBN, but at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/> on the home page there is a blue text box that contains the callsigns of all currently connected skimmers, and there is a more detailed list of both offline and online skimmers at <http://www.reversebeacon.net/nodes/>.

However, I believe the ARCluster v6 filter Pete is referring to is a geographical one, such as
spotterstate=[ON,QC,CT,MA,NH,NY,OH,PA,RI,VT]

73,
Rich VE3KI

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 03:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

    On 2022-01-12 3:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

        For example, I use a filter in ARCluster V6 that restrict spotter
        locations to my "neighborhood",

    You have access to a list of all spotters who report to RBN. I do
    not know of any place that information is available to the "unwashed".

        Dave has just written an excellent tabulation of cluster-based
        commands that can be used to block spot streams that aren't of
        current interest in each of those major programs - DXSpider, VE7CC
        and AR Cluster V6 - I believe it's in the Wiki, though I can't come
        up with the URL right now.

    Yes, it's: https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN
    <https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN>>

    The list of commands is one that I provided Dave early in the beta
    process for what has become SpotCollector 9.0.5. Unfortunately, I
    could not find complete and accurate user manuals for all three of
    the major cluster "dialects". Many of the commands suggested are the
    result of trial and error.

    73,

    ... Joe, W4TV









Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments bleow

The author of AR Cluster V6, AB5K, passed away several years ago, shortly after adding the CT1BOH skimquality filters. http://www.k3lr.com/w9zrx/AR-Cluster%20Filter%20Commands.pdf is the most complete and authoritative list of AR Cluster commands I'm aware of, so I'd suggest adding that citation to the wiki.

+ Done. Thanks, Pete!

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Stephen Rabinowitz
 

Thank you for this tip, Dave. When I try to do the same, I get the corresponding image, but also an error message: program error 53 in module DXAtlas.CreatGridFiles: file not found.
What does this mean?
73, Steve K2SN

-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:12 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Reverse Beacon Spots

+ AA6YQ comments below

I still think it is better to run CW Skimmer "skimming" signals heard via your own antenna and receiver and using SC connected to your own skimmer.

+ I do a similar thing with a local instance of WSJT-X monitoring FT8 on a band of interest. It's a great way to monitor propagation; here's 40m at this moment:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/spotcollector/40m%20FT8%202022-01-12.jpg

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: latest Windows update

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ You can save the most recent Restore Point to a thumb drive; they cost ~$10 at the drug store.

I had NO idea you could create an RP on anything but the drive where the "point" was. I'll do this later this evening - I have an appropriately sized thumb driver or three. I keep seeing "3-5% of the drive's capacity" so that's not even a full 16-GB drive. I bet you don't even need to leave it mounted.

+ You probably have to copy the Restore Point to the thumb drive after it's created.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/where-are-system-restore-points-stored-how-to-view

+ Doing this has the side benefit of preventing Restore Points from gradually consuming all of your SSD.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Pete Smith
 

The one I suggested is much more complete at the user command level, in particular.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite 
"retail" DX cluster.
On 1/12/2022 8:25 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

If you are looking for an ARCluster v6 manual, try <http://www.nc7j.com/arcluster/arusermanual-6/>.

+ Thanks, Rich! I've added that URL to

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN

    73,

           Dave, AA6YQ








Re: latest Windows update

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Ok, Dave, that explains the problem. I can only backup to one location automatically using DXKeeper.

+ Correct. The objective was to ensure that every user could at least maintain a log backup in one location. I have enough on my hands without getting into the "Backup and Recovery" business, especially given that there are plenty of fine applications that already do that, at least one of which is free.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Pete Smith
 

The author of AR Cluster V6, AB5K, passed away several years ago, shortly after adding the CT1BOH skimquality filters.  http://www.k3lr.com/w9zrx/AR-Cluster%20Filter%20Commands.pdf is the most complete and authoritative list of AR Cluster commands I'm aware of, so I'd suggest adding that citation to the wiki.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite 
"retail" DX cluster.
On 1/12/2022 8:22 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

Here are the "Manual" links for CC Cluster and DX Spider - is there a similar *COMPLETE AND ACCURATE* manual for AR Cluster (not some "list of filter commands useful in [limited] circumstances)?

DX Spider User Manual:
        <http://www.dxcluster.org/main/usermanual_en.html>
    Filtering Tutorial:
        <http://www.dxcluster.org/main/filtering_en.html>

CC Cluster User Manual:
        <http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/ccc/CCC_Commands.htm>

+ I've added those URLs to "Collecting Spots from the Reverse Beacon Network (RBN)" in

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN

+  Thanks, Joe!

     73,

             Dave, AA6YQ







Re: SpotCollector 9.0.5 is available + Win update

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Just to add my two pence (cents!) worth..

I connect to GB7FXG and GB7DXG-1 here in Guernsey, and both lights show green, with no noted issues at all.



When I went into the shack this morning, there was an update for my Win10 Pro 64bit, so I did that first, which required a reboot of the PC.

After that, I started Launcher, which informed me there was an app update, and also database updates.

I did the databases first (RDA and LoTW), then updated SC.

DXK started normally, as did SC, and all appears to be working just fine.

After seeing the message earlier about the TQSL issue, I checked that, and it is all good.

+ Thanks Phil. The "spot source connection" misbehavior was not reporting during the testing by multiple users leading up to SpotCollector 9.0.5. There is clearly a latent defect, but it evidently does not affect every user.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

If you are looking for an ARCluster v6 manual, try <http://www.nc7j.com/arcluster/arusermanual-6/>.

+ Thanks, Rich! I've added that URL to

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Pete Smith
 

The list of CW and RTTY spotters (which is dynamic) is available to everyone, washed or not, on the RBN website at http://beta.reversebeacon.net.  You can see who's connected now and look back 30 days to see who has been, plus what bands they are covering.  But the filtering I'm talking about uses the filter term "spotterstate", not individual callsigns.  We are handling FT8 spots separately, and not trying to process them on the website, but an article including a list of most of the known RBN FTx spotters is at https://reversebeacon.blogspot.com/2022/01/where-to-get-rbnspots-for-users-in-last.html

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite 
"retail" DX cluster.
On 1/12/2022 3:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


On 2022-01-12 3:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote:

For example, I use a filter in ARCluster V6 that restrict spotter
locations to my "neighborhood",

You have access to a list of all spotters who report to RBN.  I do
not know of any place that information is available to the "unwashed".

Dave has just written an excellent tabulation of cluster-based
commands that can be used to block spot streams that aren't of
current interest in each of those major programs - DXSpider, VE7CC
and AR Cluster V6 - I believe it's in the Wiki, though I can't come
up with the URL right now.

Yes, it's: https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN>

The list of commands is one that I provided Dave early in the beta
process for what has become SpotCollector 9.0.5.  Unfortunately, I
could not find complete and accurate user manuals for all three of
the major cluster "dialects".  Many of the commands suggested are the
result of trial and error.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2022-01-12 3:35 PM, Pete Smith wrote:
Yes, but all 3 predominant cluster software packages incorporate a variety of filtering, as well as internal routines to catch many of those busted calls before they get to users.  For example, I use a filter in ARCluster V6 that restrict spotter locations to my "neighborhood", and routinely filter bands and modes for the particular contest I'm in.  Dave has just written an excellent tabulation of cluster-based commands that can be used to block spot streams that aren't of current interest in each of those major programs - DXSpider, VE7CC and AR Cluster V6 - I believe it's in the Wiki, though I can't come up with the URL right now.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 1/12/2022 3:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 2022-01-12 9:28 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
>
Their software has been stripped down for speed, and does not support
any filtering, without which most users would agree that the spot
volume is too high to be very useful.

Anyone who starts to get spots from a "retail" cluster that supports
skimmer spots may find that the volume is *still* too high to be useful
without filtering.

As we were testing what was released today as SC 9.0.5, I found it
necessary to turn off FT8 cluster spots to avoid bogging SC completely.
When I added a cluster with a feed from PSKreporter (those spots are
not reported to the RBN), I found it necessary to limit spots to only
a couple of "lower activity" bands (like 6m and 10m), again to avoid
bogging SC.

If you choose to enable "skimmer spots" - beware.  Particularly during
contests the skimmer feeds through the retail clusters are full of
"busted" spots.  For RTTY, in particular, those spots often come in
the form of an extra letter at the beginning (e.g., K1AA -> EK1AA) or
a dropped letter at the beginning (e.g. VE5AA -> E5AA or VE2ZZ -> E2ZZ).
Relying on the RBN's own busted call detection is not always enough as
the same mistake is being made by more than one independent skimmer
receiver (Q:# > 1).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2022-01-12 9:28 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
See https://reversebeacon.blogspot.com/2022/01/where-to-get-rbnspots-for-users-in-last.html. There are over 100 clusters carrying RBN CW and RTTY spots, and over 15 (listed in the article) that carry FT8 spots from us.

There was no "censorship" involved, by Dave or anyone else.  To set the record straight, we request that people *not* connect directly to the RBN's Telnet servers because those nodes are intended only to distribute spots to "retail" nodes for distribution to users.  Their software has been stripped down for speed, and does not support any filtering, without which most users would agree that the spot volume is too high to be very useful.

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.

On 1/12/2022 7:31 AM, Anthony wrote:
Now that the RBN has been censored from Spot Collector, does someone have a site that provides these spots?  Thanks for your help.
-- 

Anthony - N2KI








Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

Here are the "Manual" links for CC Cluster and DX Spider - is there a similar *COMPLETE AND ACCURATE* manual for AR Cluster (not some "list of filter commands useful in [limited] circumstances)?

DX Spider User Manual:
<http://www.dxcluster.org/main/usermanual_en.html>
Filtering Tutorial:
<http://www.dxcluster.org/main/filtering_en.html>

CC Cluster User Manual:
<http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/ccc/CCC_Commands.htm>

+ I've added those URLs to "Collecting Spots from the Reverse Beacon Network (RBN)" in

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/CollectingSpotsRBN

+ Thanks, Joe!

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Reverse Beacon Spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

I still think it is better to run CW Skimmer "skimming" signals heard via your own antenna and receiver and using SC connected to your own skimmer.

+ I do a similar thing with a local instance of WSJT-X monitoring FT8 on a band of interest. It's a great way to monitor propagation; here's 40m at this moment:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/spotcollector/40m%20FT8%202022-01-12.jpg

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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