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Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Dave AA6YQ
 

@ more AA6YQ comments below

> + What is "SDRC"?

SDR Console V3 (Simon's package).

@ If that's the case, he should connect "SDR Console" to Commander's Secondary CAT port. That will eliminate the problem of two different applications trying to control the same transceiver via the same COM port.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


On 2021-02-09 1:07 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below

It turns out his problems are deeper than DXCommander, he can't even
get the following programs to cooperate, without DXC.

Since it no longer involves DXC, but appears�to be a WSJT-X > SDRC >
OmniRig > IC-7300 problem, I won't trouble the list with any more
details. I have a long explanation with pictures and settings, but
that has no place on this list.

Without the details, this is where he is stuck and I'll leave it at
that. Thanks for trying to help:

In synopsis.. I can run WSJTX�� __OR__�� SDRC but not both Using
OmniRig and trying for full CAT between all devices.

I CAN use SDRC, WSJTX and a Kwd TS2000� all at once and have full
CAT/PTT between all players.

+ What is "SDRC"?


Re: Ports again, this time not network but COM ... (Prolific)

Peter Laws / N5UWY
 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:36 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@ambersoft.com> wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

Another thread about ports, but not the TCP/IP kind, the COM port kind
-- the Windows name for serial ports. Specifically, the fake kind created by a USB port's driver.

+ COM ports created by a device driver are real, they just don’t exchange data with a physical serial port.
If there is no 9- or 25-pin D-shell connector, it can't possibly be real! :-D

COMs 1-4 on my system are almost real - they connect to devices via
DE-9 connectors ... but they are all on a box that connects to the
legacy-free PC where DXLab lives. The rest are fake, like the ones
described, or the two that are buried inside the Arduino Nanos that
make up my two Morttys.

They were always abstractions by the OS, of course, regardless of the
physical connection.



--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!


Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

SDR Console v3, sometimes known as SDR Radio. Software for the SDR dongles

Hasan


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:07 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

It turns out his problems are deeper than DXCommander, he can't even get the following programs to cooperate, without DXC.

Since it no longer involves DXC, but appears to be a WSJT-X > SDRC > OmniRig > IC-7300 problem, I won't trouble the list with any more details. I have a long explanation with pictures and settings, but that has no place on this list.

Without the details, this is where he is stuck and I'll leave it at that. Thanks for trying to help:

 

In synopsis.. I can run WSJTX   __OR__   SDRC but not both Using OmniRig and trying for full CAT between all devices.

I CAN use SDRC, WSJTX and a Kwd TS2000  all at once and have full CAT/PTT between all players. 

+ What is "SDRC"?

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ

 


Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

+ What is "SDRC"?
SDR Console V3 (Simon's package).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2021-02-09 1:07 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
It turns out his problems are deeper than DXCommander, he can't even
get the following programs to cooperate, without DXC.
Since it no longer involves DXC, but appears to be a WSJT-X > SDRC >
OmniRig > IC-7300 problem, I won't trouble the list with any more
details. I have a long explanation with pictures and settings, but
that has no place on this list.
Without the details, this is where he is stuck and I'll leave it at
that. Thanks for trying to help:
In synopsis.. I can run WSJTX   __OR__   SDRC but not both Using
OmniRig and trying for full CAT between all devices.
I CAN use SDRC, WSJTX and a Kwd TS2000  all at once and have full
CAT/PTT between all players.
+ What is "SDRC"?
      73,
            Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Yaesu rotor control stops working, locks up DXView

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
I have had this problem daily for years.....even without transmitting..I leave it running overnight and  many times it is locked up... Since I am using a Flex, rebooting is a major issue...so, I only turn on the app when I need to use the rotor..

+ What kind of serial port are you using to connect your rotator controller to your computer?

        73,

              Dave, AA6YQ


Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

It turns out his problems are deeper than DXCommander, he can't even get the following programs to cooperate, without DXC.

Since it no longer involves DXC, but appears to be a WSJT-X > SDRC > OmniRig > IC-7300 problem, I won't trouble the list with any more details. I have a long explanation with pictures and settings, but that has no place on this list.

Without the details, this is where he is stuck and I'll leave it at that. Thanks for trying to help:

 

In synopsis.. I can run WSJTX   __OR__   SDRC but not both Using OmniRig and trying for full CAT between all devices.

I CAN use SDRC, WSJTX and a Kwd TS2000  all at once and have full CAT/PTT between all players. 

+ What is "SDRC"?

      73,

            Dave, AA6YQ

 


Re: Recent issues with ports already in use

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

Do you have a rule in your firewall (or router) that is blocking
port 52000?

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-02-09 9:57 AM, Matt Foster wrote:
Thanks for that Iain. Yes, "Show Unconnected Endpoints" is checked, so I have no idea why Windows says the ports are in use. It's all of the DXL apps I use too...Commander, DXKeeper and SpotCollector all get the error raised. It's almost like there are already copies of the programs running, but I've checked Task Manager carefully, and there are not existing instances of the programs.
For now, everything seems to be happy with a Base Port of 4000, so I'm sticking with that.
--
73, Matt, N0EYE


Re: Recent issues with ports already in use

Matt Foster
 

Thanks for that Iain. Yes, "Show Unconnected Endpoints" is checked, so I have no idea why Windows says the ports are in use. It's all of the DXL apps I use too...Commander, DXKeeper and SpotCollector all get the error raised. It's almost like there are already copies of the programs running, but I've checked Task Manager carefully, and there are not existing instances of the programs.

For now, everything seems to be happy with a Base Port of 4000, so I'm sticking with that.

--
73, Matt, N0EYE


Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Hasan Schiers N0AN
 

Dave,
It turns out his problems are deeper than DXCommander, he can't even get the following programs to cooperate, without DXC.

Since it no longer involves DXC, but appears to be a WSJT-X > SDRC > OmniRig > IC-7300 problem, I won't trouble the list with any more details. I have a long explanation with pictures and settings, but that has no place on this list.

Without the details, this is where he is stuck and I'll leave it at that. Thanks for trying to help:

In synopsis.. I can run WSJTX   __OR__   SDRC but not both Using OmniRig and trying for full CAT between all devices.
 
 
I CAN use SDRC, WSJTX and a Kwd TS2000  all at once and have full CAT/PTT between all players. 
 
N0AN
Hasan


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 12:40 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below

Executive summary - don't use the same virtual serial ports for CW Skimmer and Commander

More detail on SDR Console and Commander. In SDR Console you can choose both CW Skimmer and External Radio. If you set a virtual port pair in CW Skimmer by clicking on it, you must disable it or set another port pair for the External Radio. After you have the External Radio window open, you click on the question mark in the upper right hand corner of the window to bring up External Radio Options. You can then click on the "Omni-Rig" button to set External Radio ports in OMni-Rig.  Finally choose the complementary virtual serial port in Commander and set the radio to Kenwood. If all goes well Commander will display "[Kenwood TS-2000]" in the top window bar.

+ Typically, one connects Commander's "Primary CAT Port" to a transceiver, and connects Commander's "Secondary CAT Port" to a panadaptor like SDR Console. How is the transceiver connected in your topology, Bob?

       73,

            Dave, AA6YQ







Re: Yaesu rotor control stops working, locks up DXView

Tim Vandagriff
 

I have had this problem daily for years.....even without transmitting..I leave it running overnight and  many times it is locked up... Since I am using a Flex, rebooting is a major issue...so, I only turn on the app when I need to use the rotor..


Re: Recent issues with ports already in use

Gordon LaPoint
 

Matt,
    Port 4000 is the default port for RemAud, used by some hams for remote audio from remote sites, so if you use RemAud you may want to use a different port.
Thanks,
Gordon - N1MGO

On 2/8/2021 11:27 AM, Matt Foster wrote:
FWIW...I've changed my base port to 4000 (TCPView did not show anything using ports anywhere close to that), and it seems to be happy for now.

--
73, Matt, N0EYE



Re: Recent issues with ports already in use

iain macdonnell - N6ML
 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:54 AM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@ambersoft.com> wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

Ever since a recent Windows update, I'm dealing with much more frequent instances of DXLabs complaining about ports already in use...pretty much from every application. The weird thing is, I've run TCPView <https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/tcpview> multiple times, and it never shows any port in DXLabs' range as being in use for either the "Local" port or the "Remote" port.
That is a bit weird. Did you sort by the "Local Port" column? Also
make sure that Options -> Show Unconnected Endpoints is enabled.


+ The "port in use" message comes from Windows, so either Windows or TCPView is not working correctly. Maybe TCPView isn't showing ports in use for UDP or Telnet or ....
Would another process binding a port for UDP prevent its use for TCP?
Theoretically, I think, it shouldn't, but I don't know Windows well
enough.

In any case, TCPView should show UDP bindings.


I've read some other posts about the possibility of Windows using ports in this range as ephemeral ports, and my experience may bear this out. I can often reboot, and then DXLabs can get the ports.

I'm wondering if anyone else has run into this recently or perhaps played with different Base Port settings?
The default dynamic port range for Windows 10 starts at 49152 and goes
up 16384 from there. You can check it (and change it, if you're
feeling adventurous) with "netsh int ipv4 show dynamicport tcp".

Looking at my desktop with TCPView, I see a lot of outbound
connections with source ports in the 52xxx range and up. It hasn't
been a problem for me, but I usually start the DXLab Suite apps (the
ones that I use) immediately on boot, and keep them running all of the
time. If you run them more sporadically, there's probably a higher
probability of some other process grabbing the port. Something below
49152 would probably have a better chance of being left alone.

If rebooting fixes it (temporarily), it does sound like you're
competing for those "dynamic ports".

73,

~iain / N6ML


Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

The Hermes Lite 2 is the SDR transceiver hardware. It's a tiny black box with an Ethernet connection to the shack PC. SDR Console on the PC supports the HL2 and provides HL2 audio, control and display. I connect SDR Console to Commander to have access to the DX Lab suite, particularly to DX Keeper as it has been my logging tool for a long time.

Looks like we have different topologies.

+ Thanks for the explanation, Bob. In your setup, the combination of "SDR Console" and your Hermes Lite 2 server as your primary transceiver, configured to emulate a Kenwood TS-2000. This is similar to the first topology shown in

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/SDRInteroperation

+ with the "PowerSDR Console" box replaced with "SDR Console", and the three lower boxes replaced with your Hermes Lite 2. Commander's Secondary CAT port remains available to control a second receiver, a second panadaptor, or more prosaically to keep a tuner or antenna switch tracking your frequency.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Spot collector spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Thanks for the info. I am going to set up a second serial port as a 'fake'
Yeasu rotor and try to read azimuth data from S.C. record.
+ All commands sent to a Yaesu rotator are terminated by a "carriage return" character (ascii 13).

+ The "Stop" command is 

S

+ The commands for slow, medium, and fast rotation speed are

X1

X3

X4

+ respectively.

+ The command to rotate to heading 012 is

M012

+ Note that 3 digits of heading are always specified.

+ If DXView receives the message

AZ=012

+ from the rotator controller and the "Request rotator heading once per second" setting is enabled, it will display the rotator's current headiing as 12.

        73,

             Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Spot collector spots

Joe K2UF
 

Dave,

Thanks for the info. I am going to set up a second serial port as a 'fake'
Yeasu rotor and try to read azimuth data from S.C. record.

73 Joe K2UF

-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 6:22 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Spot collector spots

+ AA6YQ comments below

I am using 2 Yaesu rotors but am driving them directly from the arduino.
Just reading the rotor pot and driving the rotors with a dc power supply to
the desired position. Have I 'painted' myself into a corner?

+ If you want DXView to be able to interact with your home-brew
+ controller, you will need to extend the Arduino code to accept
commands from a serial port, and act on those commands. There's only two
commands, different protocols express them different:

1. rotate to heading X

2. stop any rotation in progress

73,

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Spot collector spots

Dave AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below

I am using 2 Yaesu rotors but am driving them directly from the arduino.
Just reading the rotor pot and driving the rotors with a dc power supply to the desired position. Have I 'painted' myself into a
corner?

+ If you want DXView to be able to interact with your home-brew controller, you will need to extend the Arduino code to accept
commands from a serial port, and act on those commands. There's only two commands, different protocols express them different:

1. rotate to heading X

2. stop any rotation in progress

73,

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: Using Special Callsigns tags

Chuck, WS1L
 

Thanks!!

73 de Chuck, WS1L



On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 1:50 PM Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below

Nope, that doesn't work.  It returns no errors, just no entries.  Typing RCC in the filter box and clicking the Tags buton returns 4 entries. 

Backing up a step, I've got all the callsigns entered in the Callsign field and RCC in the Tag List field.  Seems correct, it works with the pre-defined button.

+ Use this SQL expression:

TAGS LIKE '*RCC*'

      73,

             Dave, AA6YQ








Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Bob Benedict, KD8CGH
 

Dave

  The Hermes Lite 2 is the SDR transceiver hardware. It's a tiny black box with an Ethernet connection to the shack PC.  SDR Console on the PC  supports the HL2 and provides HL2 audio, control and display.  I connect SDR Console to Commander to have access to the DX Lab suite, particularly to DX Keeper as it has been my  logging tool for a long time.

Looks like we have different topologies.

--
73
    Bob   KD8CGH


Re: DX Commander with an IC-7300 and SDR Console

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

I took a look at SDR Console this afternoon ... using my K3 and SDR-IQ.
The information in
<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/HDSDRCWSkimmerConfiguration>
is right on the money. Omni-Rig and CW Skimmer should be configured
as documented in the SDR Console on-line documentation:

Omni-Rig: https://sdr-radio.com/external-radio

Skimmer: https:sdr-radio.com/cw-skimmer

The one modification to those two articles is that the connection
between SDR Console and Commander should use RADIO 1 of Omni-Rig
and the connection between SDR Console and CW Skimmer should use
RADIO 2 of Omni-Rig.

I would suggest your friend approach the problem this way:

1) disconnect the RTL dongle from the 7300 and connect the
7300 receiver.
2) Configure Commander and the 7300 for inter-operation of the
transceiver without Commander's Secondary CAT Serial Port
3) Connect the antenna to the RTL dongle and configure SDR-
Console and the RTL dongle for operation as a stand alone
receiver.
4) Connect the RTL dongle to the SDR interface in the 7300
and configure SDR Console and Commander's Secondary CAT
Serial port to communicate with each other using "Radio 1"
in Omni-Rig as shown in the DXLab Suite and SDR-Console
documentation. At this point the RTL dongle/SDR Console
should track the 7300 and the 7300 should track SDR-Console.
5) Connect/configure CW Skimmer for interaction with SDR-Console
*using Omni-Rig "Radio 2"*

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2021-02-08 9:07 AM, Hasan Schiers N0AN wrote:
Thanks for the tips, he's still having issues:
*trying to get a 7300 to track with a dongle in SDRC and using DXC with it*
Hasan
On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 10:55 AM Bob Benedict, KD8CGH <rkayakr@gmail.com>
wrote:

I use DX Commander with SDR Console to run my Hermes Lite 2 SDR
transceiver. In SDR Console View : Options : More Options I set the serial
port to one end of a set of serial ports. I can then config the Commander
port to the other end of the virtual serial cable and choose radio:
Kenwood. Works well.


Re: Spot collector spots

Joe K2UF
 

Dave,

I am using 2 Yaesu rotors but am driving them directly from the arduino.
Just reading the rotor pot and driving the rotors with a dc power supply to
the desired position. Have I 'painted' myself into a corner?

73 Joe K2UF

-----Original Message-----
From: DXLab@groups.io [mailto:DXLab@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 3:25 PM
To: DXLab@groups.io
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Spot collector spots

+ AA6YQ comments below

I have a homebrew arduino based rotor control and antenna selector. Is
there a way I can click on a spot and have spot collector field values put
out on a com port for input to the arduino. I would like the station
azimuth avilable to my controller.

Any hints how I can accomplish this if possible.

+ You can do that by making the software running on your Arduino emulate
+ the protocol used by one of the rotator controllers that
DXView supports. If you tell me which protocol you've chosen, I will tell
you what commands your software should accept.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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