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Re: QRZ again?

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 5:38 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] QRZ again?

I must say I see a large number of requests for QRZ.com Pathfinder help and thus diversion of Dave's, AA6YQ, time to respond to and fix these requests.

However, fixing this may be an ethical issue, not a convenience to DXKeeper users issue.

The DXLab community possibly doesn't understand that the QRZ errors come from Pathfinder's attempt to read a web site intended for human consumption and extracting it's best guess what is the desired QSL/contact/location information. QRZ occasionally changes the format of the data presentation for security, style, and software updates. It is their right to do so. Microsoft changes their offerings regularly. So why can't QRZ?

QRZ is free to change their web page however and whenever they like.
Guess what? QRZ doesn't want DXLabs or any other program to programmatically access their Web Site.

That's not correct.
I have discussed Pathfinder with QRZ.com owner Fred AA6BQ on several occasions. DXKeeper's free "QRZ.com via Pathfinder" option exists with his blessing. Fred can ask me to remove it at any time; were he to do so, I would immediately comply. So far, he's only asked that the rate of callbook lookups via this mechanism be limited to one every 4 seconds -- a policy implemented in DXKeeper several years ago.
Note that Pathfinder displays QRZ's advertising, and thus does not diminish QRZ revenues - as would a scheme that scrapes downloaded HTML without displaying it to the user.
My point earlier today is that if QRZ, for whatever reason, is no longer sending information in the same format to every user, then it may no longer be possible to maintain "QRZ.com via Pathfinder.
Removing the "QRZ.com via Pathfinder" option from DXKeeper would require no change to Pathfinder, nor would it simplify the web browser issues discussed here in a different thread.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: QRZ again?

NS9I
 

You mean there is hope or a solution at the end of this miserable tunnel?

73 Dwight NS9I


On 7/14/2017 4:37 PM, 'w6de' w6de@... [dxlab] wrote:
 

I must say I see a large number of requests for QRZ.com Pathfinder help and thus diversion of Dave's, AA6YQ, time to respond to and fix these requests.

However, fixing this may be an ethical issue, not a convenience to DXKeeper users issue.

The DXLab community possibly doesn't understand that the QRZ errors come from Pathfinder's attempt to read a web site intended for human consumption and extracting it's best guess what is the desired QSL/contact/location information. QRZ occasionally changes the format of the data presentation for security, style, and software updates. It is their right to do so. Microsoft changes their offerings regularly. So why can't QRZ?

Guess what? QRZ doesn't want DXLabs or any other program to programmatically access their Web Site. QRZ wants users who desire automated access to their data base to use their paid XML subscription service. Who knows, maybe QRZ allows the user freedom to put their bad constructs on their QRZ pages and makes some of their changes to limit to limit programmatic access to their Web site.
QRZ offers Developer support for their XML service but none for the Free or measured service. This is QRZ's way of telling the user community: if you want automated QRZ service, buy XML service. The bottom line is the QRZ service is NOT FREE, somebody, in this case Dave, AA6YQ, has to pay something, his labor, to make the seemingly free service work. Dave is right, the DXLab community should follow QRZ's lead to use the XML queries.

Quotes from QRZ's Web site:

"XML Logbook Data Service"
"About this Service"
"Our XML Logbook Data service provides a superior, high performance back-end connection to the QRZ database. It is widely supported by most of the top logging and contest programs . With the XML Logbook Data service, your logging program will automatically fetch detailed name, address, and QSL information from our extensive collection of more than 1.3 million callsigns."
.
.
.
"The QRZ XML data port provides callsign info, biography information, and QSL image data in a raw streaming format that connects to a variety of third party software products. The XML interface is fully documented so that programmers can easily adapt the interface to their projects.
How much does a subscription cost?
A full year subscription to the XML Logbook Data service costs just. . ."

So the ethical issue is: does Dave continue to invest his time in a free program to gain free access to another vendor's source of information when that provider prefers automated access by a paid subscription?

I'd recommend that Pathfinder simply pare down the offerings to use only QRZ's XML service. Just like the other paid services in Pathfinder.
This would also make the preferred browser choice issue go away, which is another topic Pathfinder brings up periodically.

Dave, w6de

-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: 14 July, 2017 16:31
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] QRZ again?

>>>AA6YQ comments below

-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:00 AM
To: YahooGroup DXLabs
Subject: [dxlab] QRZ again?

This morning i had QSO with OM6ES, activating a FF-aerea.
On the QRZ page (vie PF) i noticed: “Alias for OK1ES”, togheter with all info abt OK1ES.
The Capture stayed blanco, nothing filled in.
It seems a bit like the former error, when the Callsign of the contacted station contained a slash.
Challenge for our magician?

>>>When I configure the Callbook tab of DXKeeper's Configuration window to use "QRZ.com via Pathfinder", type OM6ES into the Capture window, and strike the Enter key, the Capture window is populated with the correct name, QTH, "QSL Via", "Grid 1", continent, CQ zone, and ITU zone. Logging the QSO shows that the correct postal address is also present.

>>>If that's not working for you, Eddy, that means QRZ is returning information differently for different users, which means that Pathfinder cannot reliably "scrape" callbook information from QRZ.com.

>>>Over the past month, dealing with the changes to QRZ.com has delayed enhancements to Commander, DXView, DXKeeper, and SpotCollector by weeks. Given the several supported alternatives to "QRZ.com via Pathfinder", perhaps the "QRZ.com via Pathfinder" option should be removed from the Callbook tab of DXKeeper's Configuration window.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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Re: QRZ again?

w6de
 

I must say I see a large number of requests for QRZ.com Pathfinder help and thus diversion of Dave's, AA6YQ, time to respond to and fix these requests.

However, fixing this may be an ethical issue, not a convenience to DXKeeper users issue.

The DXLab community possibly doesn't understand that the QRZ errors come from Pathfinder's attempt to read a web site intended for human consumption and extracting it's best guess what is the desired QSL/contact/location information. QRZ occasionally changes the format of the data presentation for security, style, and software updates. It is their right to do so. Microsoft changes their offerings regularly. So why can't QRZ?

Guess what? QRZ doesn't want DXLabs or any other program to programmatically access their Web Site. QRZ wants users who desire automated access to their data base to use their paid XML subscription service. Who knows, maybe QRZ allows the user freedom to put their bad constructs on their QRZ pages and makes some of their changes to limit to limit programmatic access to their Web site.
QRZ offers Developer support for their XML service but none for the Free or measured service. This is QRZ's way of telling the user community: if you want automated QRZ service, buy XML service. The bottom line is the QRZ service is NOT FREE, somebody, in this case Dave, AA6YQ, has to pay something, his labor, to make the seemingly free service work. Dave is right, the DXLab community should follow QRZ's lead to use the XML queries.

Quotes from QRZ's Web site:

"XML Logbook Data Service"
"About this Service"
"Our XML Logbook Data service provides a superior, high performance back-end connection to the QRZ database. It is widely supported by most of the top logging and contest programs . With the XML Logbook Data service, your logging program will automatically fetch detailed name, address, and QSL information from our extensive collection of more than 1.3 million callsigns."
.
.
.
"The QRZ XML data port provides callsign info, biography information, and QSL image data in a raw streaming format that connects to a variety of third party software products. The XML interface is fully documented so that programmers can easily adapt the interface to their projects.
How much does a subscription cost?
A full year subscription to the XML Logbook Data service costs just. . ."

So the ethical issue is: does Dave continue to invest his time in a free program to gain free access to another vendor's source of information when that provider prefers automated access by a paid subscription?

I'd recommend that Pathfinder simply pare down the offerings to use only QRZ's XML service. Just like the other paid services in Pathfinder.
This would also make the preferred browser choice issue go away, which is another topic Pathfinder brings up periodically.

Dave, w6de

-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: 14 July, 2017 16:31
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] QRZ again?

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 9:00 AM
To: YahooGroup DXLabs
Subject: [dxlab] QRZ again?

This morning i had QSO with OM6ES, activating a FF-aerea.
On the QRZ page (vie PF) i noticed: “Alias for OK1ES”, togheter with all info abt OK1ES.
The Capture stayed blanco, nothing filled in.
It seems a bit like the former error, when the Callsign of the contacted station contained a slash.
Challenge for our magician?

When I configure the Callbook tab of DXKeeper's Configuration window to use "QRZ.com via Pathfinder", type OM6ES into the Capture window, and strike the Enter key, the Capture window is populated with the correct name, QTH, "QSL Via", "Grid 1", continent, CQ zone, and ITU zone. Logging the QSO shows that the correct postal address is also present.
If that's not working for you, Eddy, that means QRZ is returning information differently for different users, which means that Pathfinder cannot reliably "scrape" callbook information from QRZ.com.
Over the past month, dealing with the changes to QRZ.com has delayed enhancements to Commander, DXView, DXKeeper, and SpotCollector by weeks. Given the several supported alternatives to "QRZ.com via Pathfinder", perhaps the "QRZ.com via Pathfinder" option should be removed from the Callbook tab of DXKeeper's Configuration window.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ



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Re: LoTW results

Steve - N3SL
 

Simply which callsigns were updated.  Sure, I can go to LoTW and look at the list, but DXK makes it so much easier!

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:31 PM, 'Dave AA6YQ' aa6yq@... [dxlab] <dxlab@...> wrote:
 

>>>AA6YQ comments below

-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 5:27 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] LoTW results

After syncing with LoTW (QSLs), DXK then pops open the results summary file (LotW_QSLs_ADI.results.txt) in Notepad. I would rather see, by default, the "LotW_QSLs_ADI.txt" file, which has the detail.

Is there a way/place to change that?

>>>There's not.

>>>The contents of LotW_QSLs_ADI.txt are not intended for human consumption. What information are you seeking that isn't available in the "Log QSOs" tab of DXKeeper's Main window?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ



Re: LoTW results

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 5:27 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] LoTW results

After syncing with LoTW (QSLs), DXK then pops open the results summary file (LotW_QSLs_ADI.results.txt) in Notepad. I would rather see, by default, the "LotW_QSLs_ADI.txt" file, which has the detail.

Is there a way/place to change that?

There's not.
The contents of LotW_QSLs_ADI.txt are not intended for human consumption. What information are you seeking that isn't available in the "Log QSOs" tab of DXKeeper's Main window?
73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: DXKeeper will not find UA2

Joe Subich, W4TV
 

Use UA2F

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/14/2017 5:10 PM, w7ao@... [dxlab] wrote:
In DX Keeper, if I want to search my log for UA2 by typing in UA2 in the filter box and clicking DXCC, it brings back UA1s/RA1s and UA3/RA3s but no UA2s.
Russ, W7AO


LoTW results

Steve - N3SL
 

After syncing with LoTW (QSLs), DXK then pops open the results summary file (LotW_QSLs_ADI.results.txt) in Notepad.  I would rather see, by default, the "LotW_QSLs_ADI.txt" file, which has the detail.


Is there a way/place to change that?


Thanks


Re: DXKeeper will not find UA2

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 5:10 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] DXKeeper will not find UA2

In DX Keeper, if I want to search my log for UA2 by typing in UA2 in the filter box and clicking DXCC, it brings back UA1s/RA1s and UA3/RA3s but no UA2s.

With UA2 in the filter textbox, depress the CTRL key while clicking the DXCC button.
To understand why this is necessary, let the mouse cursor over the DXCC button for a few seconds, and then read the explanatory popup.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ


DXKeeper will not find UA2

w7ao
 

In DX Keeper, if I want to search my log for UA2 by typing in UA2 in the filter box and clicking DXCC, it brings back UA1s/RA1s and UA3/RA3s but no UA2s.

Russ, W7AO


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Richard B Drake
 

There is an Edge Add On for Roboform. To find it, click the "..." in the upper right corner of Edge, select Extensions and search the Store for Roboform. Note that it only gets two and a fraction stars with 195 reviews but to each his own.
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 3:50 PM, 'Gilbert Baron' w0mn00@... [dxlab] wrote:

They work but they require extensions and extra keystrokes for most and cannot do autofill as well and also many require extra install work on the part of the user. The one I use (ROBOFORM) is not allowed to bring up is very convenient start page with your most used sites available at a simple touch or click. Chrome is the same way on that too. Yes, IE is slower but on a fast computer such as this with i7 processor you do not notice anything significant. I will never make EDGE the default until I am forced to do so or until it develops some sort of API that allows those things.

 



Re: PF and Security Alerts

Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

Actually I was wrong about Chrome. It did not allow the Start Page in the past but it does now. I am not sure if it required a change to the extension or not but it still requires an extension. Actually I go back and forth between ie and chrome as default but Edge is a NO as default. Chrome is nearly as fast and it gives convenient access to all my Google apps.

 

 

From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 14:50
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

 

 

They work but they require extensions and extra keystrokes for most and cannot do autofill as well and also many require extra install work on the part of the user. The one I use (ROBOFORM) is not allowed to bring up is very convenient start page with your most used sites available at a simple touch or click. Chrome is the same way on that too. Yes, IE is slower but on a fast computer such as this with i7 processor you do not notice anything significant. I will never make EDGE the default until I am forced to do so or until it develops some sort of API that allows those things.

 

 

From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 14:16
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

 

 

Intel True Key (a password vault) works extremely well with Edge. I don't know about other programs, they have to develop their own Add On. But the mechanism is there for them to use whenever they get one of those Round Tuits :-)
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 3:06 PM, 'Gilbert Baron' w0mn00@... [dxlab] wrote:

I  agree with your assessment but no API is a deal breaker for me. I use Chrome but only for GOOGLE needs and IE for all else except a very rare use of Edge and doubt they (EVEN MICROSOFT) would kill IE until and unless they provide a way for things like this and things like Password Vaults and such to work without the mess of extensions.

 


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

They work but they require extensions and extra keystrokes for most and cannot do autofill as well and also many require extra install work on the part of the user. The one I use (ROBOFORM) is not allowed to bring up is very convenient start page with your most used sites available at a simple touch or click. Chrome is the same way on that too. Yes, IE is slower but on a fast computer such as this with i7 processor you do not notice anything significant. I will never make EDGE the default until I am forced to do so or until it develops some sort of API that allows those things.

 

 

From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 14:16
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

 

 

Intel True Key (a password vault) works extremely well with Edge. I don't know about other programs, they have to develop their own Add On. But the mechanism is there for them to use whenever they get one of those Round Tuits :-)
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 3:06 PM, 'Gilbert Baron' w0mn00@... [dxlab] wrote:

I  agree with your assessment but no API is a deal breaker for me. I use Chrome but only for GOOGLE needs and IE for all else except a very rare use of Edge and doubt they (EVEN MICROSOFT) would kill IE until and unless they provide a way for things like this and things like Password Vaults and such to work without the mess of extensions.

 


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Richard B Drake
 

Intel True Key (a password vault) works extremely well with Edge. I don't know about other programs, they have to develop their own Add On. But the mechanism is there for them to use whenever they get one of those Round Tuits :-)
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 3:06 PM, 'Gilbert Baron' w0mn00@... [dxlab] wrote:
I  agree with your assessment but no API is a deal breaker for me. I use Chrome but only for GOOGLE needs and IE for all else except a very rare use of Edge and doubt they (EVEN MICROSOFT) would kill IE until and unless they provide a way for things like this and things like Password Vaults and such to work without the mess of extensions.


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

I  agree with your assessment but no API is a deal breaker for me. I use Chrome but only for GOOGLE needs and IE for all else except a very rare use of Edge and doubt they (EVEN MICROSOFT) would kill IE until and unless they provide a way for things like this and things like Password Vaults and such to work without the mess of extensions.

From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 13:55
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

 

 

Two years ago when  Edge was first released it was pretty bad. But with each update MS has been steadily improving it and now, IMO, it is the fastest and most reliable browser available. I hope they will eventually add the API because Explorer is  on the way out and currently has the only available interface.
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 2:41 PM, 'Gilbert Baron' w0mn00@... [dxlab] wrote:

Sure have that right but Microsoft is very unlikely to do that. They are riding a high horse that they say makes this more secure. This is an excellent example of the tradeoff between security and convenience and is dead out wrong in my opinion.

 

I would not hold my breath waiting for a Microsoft change here.

 

I do not and will not use Edge except in rare cases where it works well such as PDF reading.

 


Re: Trying to help a newbie

C. Michael D'Alto
 

Same thing started happening here about 48 hours ago.  The day after I upgraded to PF 5.21.  I reverted back to PF 5.10 and all is ok.  5.15 was giving me problems logging in on startup.  5.10 has been rock solid and flawless for me without any problems logging in or out.  Windows 7 Home Premium SP2 32 bit, IE 11.0.20.

73/DX,
Mike, K2CD


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:37 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

I do understand the point you are making Dave. I guess I just will have to see how long I can live with that harassment before I snap. ;-)

You can use the web-based variant of Pathfinder with any browser:
<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/pathfinder/WebClient/>

This variant does not interoperate with the other DXLab applications.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Richard B Drake
 

Two years ago when  Edge was first released it was pretty bad. But with each update MS has been steadily improving it and now, IMO, it is the fastest and most reliable browser available. I hope they will eventually add the API because Explorer is  on the way out and currently has the only available interface.
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 2:41 PM, 'Gilbert Baron' w0mn00@... [dxlab] wrote:

Sure have that right but Microsoft is very unlikely to do that. They are riding a high horse that they say makes this more secure. This is an excellent example of the tradeoff between security and convenience and is dead out wrong in my opinion.

 

I would not hold my breath waiting for a Microsoft change here.

 

I do not and will not use Edge except in rare cases where it works well such as PDF reading.



Re: PF and Security Alerts

Dave AA6YQ
 

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:34 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

Because Explorer is the only one that offers an Application Program Interface that can be accessed from VB6. I am hoping that such an API will be added to MS Edge which is what I use most of the time.

VB6 isn't a constraint; any Windows-compatible web-browser component would be usable.
73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Gilbert Baron W0MN
 

Sure have that right but Microsoft is very unlikely to do that. They are riding a high horse that they say makes this more secure. This is an excellent example of the tradeoff between security and convenience and is dead out wrong in my opinion.

 

I would not hold my breath waiting for a Microsoft change here.

 

I do not and will not use Edge except in rare cases where it works well such as PDF reading.

 

 

From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 13:34
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

 

 

Because Explorer is the only one that offers an Application Program Interface that can be accessed from VB6. I am hoping that such an API will be added to MS Edge which is what I use most of the time.
--
73, Rich - W3ZJ
www.w3zj.com

On 7/14/2017 2:15 PM, dgb ns9i@... [dxlab] wrote:

Why can't pathfinder use some other browser or at least make another browser be optional.

73 Dwight NS9I

 


Re: PF and Security Alerts

Dave AA6YQ
 

+++ More AA6YQ comments below

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave AA6YQ [mailto:aa6yq@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: 'dxlab@...'
Subject: RE: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

AA6YQ comments below
-----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:29 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: Re: [dxlab] PF and Security Alerts

I am wondering if this might be an issue with particular antivirus programs? I am running widows 10 on two computers one is a
Windows Insider and uses Windows Defender and the other is on standard Creators Edition an uses McAfee LiveSafe. No problems with
either one and have never had to authorize a DXLab program. That authorization seems to happen automatically when a program is
installed.

That's possible, Rich. The diagnostic would be to reboot Windows into "safe mode with networking" and see if the Security Alerts
still appear.

+++ Before trying this on my Windows 10 test system, I first verified that the Security Alerts still appear there as they did
yesterday. They don't! The only change made since yesterday was terminating and restarting Pathfinder.

+++ The anti-malware on this system is "Windows Firewall" and "Windows Defender".

73,

Dave, AA6YQ

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