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Re: logging question

N7DC@...
 

More than worth the money. HI

I have some 22,000 contacts still to put into the computer log, and thats why
they havent been done yet.


Re: DVK and VW Keyer

Mel <ve2dc@...>
 

Frankly I think AFSK is a bad idea for RTTY anyway... it's not that you
can't put out a clean signal with AFSK... it's just a lot harder... any
hum, carrier, distortion in the audio chain... any RF feedback... and
you clutter up the band. FSK with narrow filters is dead-easy, and
narrow filters are the only way to go with RTTY.
Anyway, the only thing that surprises me about RTTY is why it's still so
popular... the various DSP modes work so much better. Now if I could
just figure out how to use the narrow filters in my "vintage" Icom in
SSB mode...

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, K4IK [mailto:k4ik@...]
Sent: November 1, 2003 08:51
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: DVK and VW Keyer




The waterfall tuning is the whole point of it all. Fro RTTY,
it may not matter, for PSK and all other sound card modes, it
is the only way to go.
Waterfall tuning has at least two major problems and causes a
lot of sloppy operation. First, the dynamic range in most of
the waterfall displays causes weak signals to be "hidden"
particularly when the display is set up for a very wide (ca.
4 KHz) display. Secondly, it is nearly impossible to tune
RTTY (as well as MFSK and some of the other discrete tone
modes) accurately with the waterfall.

The panoramic displays have encouraged sloppy operating ...
the use of wide IF filters to allow "viewing" a large chunk
of the band at one time. This leads to constant complaints
about "high power" signals when a strong signal shows up adjacent
to a weak QSO causing the receiver AGC to "turn down" the RF
gain. Proper system design calls for IF filters matched to
the signal bandwidth or a receive design than can withstand
multiple strong signals in the IF passband without AGC or
receiver generated IMD (which even the best modern transceiver
cannot accomplish).

As a practical matter, it is impossible to prevent my neighbor
(ca. 1 km away) from "pumping the AGC" in my receiver to the
point that I lose a QSO with a weak DX station even if the
neighbor only used 10 watts. Dual 250 Hz filters, "width"
and "shift" controls in the IF make such contacts readily
possible (something that neophyte operators with the "click
to tune" mentality can not seem to grasp).

As far as I'm concerned, the best tuning display is MMTTY's
combination of "crossed bananas" (mine was set to "large") and
the FFT display set for 500 Hz width. Those (high resolution)
displays make operation easy ... I can tune signals with the
transceiver and leave AFC limits set at 10 to 15 Hz to allow
the sound card to fine tune between those steps to get the
very best copy.

Not to take anything away from Dave and WinWarbler ... but
there are times that I wish WW used MMTTY's tuning displays
and provided a similar high resolution, narrow band display
for PSK.

73,

... Joe, K4IK




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Re: DVK and VW Keyer

rojomn <rojomn@...>
 

Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron
44.08N 92.512835W 1050'
Hierro Candente, Batir de repente

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, K4IK [mailto:k4ik@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 7:51 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: DVK and VW Keyer




The waterfall tuning is the whole point of it all. Fro RTTY,
it may not matter, for PSK and all other sound card modes, it
is the only way to go.
Waterfall tuning has at least two major problems and causes a
lot of sloppy operation. First, the dynamic range in most of

But that depends on the equipment. It is not a techinical prblem with the
method.

the waterfall displays causes weak signals to be "hidden"
particularly when the display is set up for a very wide (ca.
4 KHz) display. Secondly, it is nearly impossible to tune
RTTY (as well as MFSK and some of the other discrete tone
modes) accurately with the waterfall.
I agree but do very little RTTY so it does not matter. MFSK is hard to find
much of it anyway. For PSK modes there is nothing better. CW will also be
great.



The panoramic displays have encouraged sloppy operating ...
the use of wide IF filters to allow "viewing" a large chunk
of the band at one time. This leads to constant complaints
about "high power" signals when a strong signal shows up adjacent
to a weak QSO causing the receiver AGC to "turn down" the RF

Again, this is a problem with the equipment and adjustment NOT the method.
I do agree it CAN lead to problems but it does not HAVE to lead to problems.

gain. Proper system design calls for IF filters matched to
the signal bandwidth or a receive design than can withstand
multiple strong signals in the IF passband without AGC or
receiver generated IMD (which even the best modern transceiver
cannot accomplish).

As a practical matter, it is impossible to prevent my neighbor
(ca. 1 km away) from "pumping the AGC" in my receiver to the
point that I lose a QSO with a weak DX station even if the
neighbor only used 10 watts. Dual 250 Hz filters, "width"
and "shift" controls in the IF make such contacts readily
possible (something that neophyte operators with the "click
to tune" mentality can not seem to grasp).
You have hit the ONE thing that may make a difference. OTOH I seldom see
this problem here. If I must get that weak signal close up IO can always put
in the filters, a click of a mouse switches to narrow filtering.



As far as I'm concerned, the best tuning display is MMTTY's
combination of "crossed bananas" (mine was set to "large") and
the FFT display set for 500 Hz width. Those (high resolution)
displays make operation easy ... I can tune signals with the
transceiver and leave AFC limits set at 10 to 15 Hz to allow
the sound card to fine tune between those steps to get the
very best copy.

Not to take anything away from Dave and WinWarbler ... but
there are times that I wish WW used MMTTY's tuning displays
and provided a similar high resolution, narrow band display
for PSK.

For RTTY great, for PSK The waterfall is the standard and will likely
continue to be so.
There are too many advantages.



73,

... Joe, K4IK




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how to cut/paste?

larry d. clark <buddycl@...>
 

i downloaded version 1.4.4 and installed it on a win 2000 machine,
configured it. i would like to cut a call sign off dx summit and
paste it into the call sign window of dxview using ctrl 'c' and
ctrl 'v'. what am i missing. any help appreciated.

larry
kd5foy


Re: {SPAMFILTER} RE: Re: DVK and VW Keyer

Anthony W. DePrato
 

AMEN
Well put Joe.
73 Tony

Anthony W. DePrato WA4JQS
Since 1962
WA4JQS / VP8BZL / VP8SSI / 3Y0PI
CQ DX Hall Of Fame # 35


Re: DVK and VW Keyer

Joe Subich, K4IK <k4ik@...>
 

The waterfall tuning is the whole point of it all. Fro RTTY,
it may not matter, for PSK and all other sound card modes, it
is the only way to go.
Waterfall tuning has at least two major problems and causes a
lot of sloppy operation. First, the dynamic range in most of
the waterfall displays causes weak signals to be "hidden"
particularly when the display is set up for a very wide (ca.
4 KHz) display. Secondly, it is nearly impossible to tune
RTTY (as well as MFSK and some of the other discrete tone
modes) accurately with the waterfall.

The panoramic displays have encouraged sloppy operating ...
the use of wide IF filters to allow "viewing" a large chunk
of the band at one time. This leads to constant complaints
about "high power" signals when a strong signal shows up adjacent
to a weak QSO causing the receiver AGC to "turn down" the RF
gain. Proper system design calls for IF filters matched to
the signal bandwidth or a receive design than can withstand
multiple strong signals in the IF passband without AGC or
receiver generated IMD (which even the best modern transceiver
cannot accomplish).

As a practical matter, it is impossible to prevent my neighbor
(ca. 1 km away) from "pumping the AGC" in my receiver to the
point that I lose a QSO with a weak DX station even if the
neighbor only used 10 watts. Dual 250 Hz filters, "width"
and "shift" controls in the IF make such contacts readily
possible (something that neophyte operators with the "click
to tune" mentality can not seem to grasp).

As far as I'm concerned, the best tuning display is MMTTY's
combination of "crossed bananas" (mine was set to "large") and
the FFT display set for 500 Hz width. Those (high resolution)
displays make operation easy ... I can tune signals with the
transceiver and leave AFC limits set at 10 to 15 Hz to allow
the sound card to fine tune between those steps to get the
very best copy.

Not to take anything away from Dave and WinWarbler ... but
there are times that I wish WW used MMTTY's tuning displays
and provided a similar high resolution, narrow band display
for PSK.

73,

... Joe, K4IK


Re: DVK and VW Keyer

rojomn <rojomn@...>
 

The waterfall tuning is the whole point of it all. Fro RTTY, it may not
matter, for PSK and all other sound card modes, it is the only way to go.
Sound card is the way for the majority to get RTTY since TNCs are all rip
offs IMHO. I won't buy one since you have to have a different one for each
of the proprietary modes and if you are not running Pactor and only want
RTTY then the sound card is just as good as if not better than and TNC.


Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron
44.08N 92.512835W 1050'
Hierro Candente, Batir de repente

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony W. DePrato [mailto:wa4jqs@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:47 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: DVK and VW Keyer



it.
Plus, with FSK you just lose too many functions and you can't do the
broadband decode and lots of other things, no waterfall snap to tune etc.
ASK is best thing since sliced bread IF you adjust it properly.


hummm my HAL unit's will decode anything 875 shift down.. so i do not
understand what you mean "can't do broadband decode ?
i do not use waterfall to turn i use a 2 in scope
and snap to tune ? i do not have to tune my 850's 950's or 870's
do have to
tune my johnson's hallicraters' and collins though.
73 Tony






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Re: logging question

Mel <ve2dc@...>
 

Now I'm half-serious here...

If you could do something with voice recognition... we could read our
old logs into DXKeeper.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Bernstein [mailto:aa6yq@...]
Sent: November 1, 2003 01:17
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] Re: logging question


The small Capture window is only useful for logging QSOs in real-time.

The Main window can be used for either real-time logging or after-the-
fact logging. To optimize it for the after-the-fact logging, uncheck
the "Optimize for real-time QSO entry" box on the Config window's
General tab. When so configured,

- if you save a QSO whose end field has not been specified, DXKeeper
will set the end field to the contents of the begin field

- if you double-click the end field, DXKeeper will set the end field
to the contents of the begin field

- when you create a new QSO, the begin field will be initialized to
the date/time the previously-entered QSO began; if you click in the
begin field, you can adjust the time using the arrow keys, if that's
quicker than keying in the actual time.

I wish we'd gotten handwriting recognition to work, but that's even
harder than holographic CW keys...

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


--- In dxlab@..., "Anthony W. DePrato" <wa4jqs@m...>
wrote:
i was entering some old qso tonight and the small window that you
enter
them in does not have a date/time place. when you hit log it puts
todays
date not a big problem as i just go into the log window and change
it
there.. just wonder if i have missed something as where or how to
enter old
log info by hand.
thanks
73 Tony wa4jqs


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Re: going...going...

g0wzm2001
 

It would be sad to loose the function, even though I admit I have not
used it much. Would it be possible to put the button somewhere else
or have a choice in the config - if screen real-estate is a problem?

Ian ( 3b8ik )

--- In dxlab@..., "Dave Bernstein" <aa6yq@a...> wrote:
WinWarbler's history function looks like its going to be history.
Speak now or forever hold your peace...


73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler History function -- useful?

dl8le <juergen.sturhahn@...>
 

I have used the function quite often. With the new broadband
decoding, however, its benefit is limited now.

73

Juergen, DL8LE


going...going...

Dave AA6YQ
 

WinWarbler's history function looks like its going to be history.
Speak now or forever hold your peace...


73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler History function -- useful?

wb0wao <wb0wao@...>
 

I would go for the broadband decode on/off as well.

73

Dennis - WB0WAO


anyone have a Kenwood TS-50 and IF-10D?

Dave AA6YQ
 

Thanks to Pete PH1PH, I have the documentation that should enable
Commander support for this transceiver. Is anyone having this
combination willing to test candidate releases?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


Re: WinWarbler History function -- useful?

Jayne Lindgren <J.Lindgren@...>
 

I have very occasionaly used the History box but an On/Off Broadband
Decoding feature would be more useful for me.
73 Dave
de Vic,G4BYG

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:12:16 -0600 Randy Tipton <wa5ufh@...> wrote:

Dave, I have never used the History box. The off/on Broadband Decoding
gets my vote!

Tip

WA5UFH



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Bernstein [mailto:aa6yq@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:08 PM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] WinWarbler History function -- useful?



When WinWarbler is set to PSK31 or PSK63, its Receive panel displays
a History box that, when checked places the waterfall tuning display
in a mode where signals continue to be displayed for approximately 25
seconds after their reception ceases. This was intened to aid the
search for active frequencies.

Is anyone actually using this feature? If not, I propose to replace
the History box with a box that enables/disables Broadband Decoding.

Comments?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ






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Re: logging question

Dave AA6YQ
 

The small Capture window is only useful for logging QSOs in real-time.

The Main window can be used for either real-time logging or after-the-
fact logging. To optimize it for the after-the-fact logging, uncheck
the "Optimize for real-time QSO entry" box on the Config window's
General tab. When so configured,

- if you save a QSO whose end field has not been specified, DXKeeper
will set the end field to the contents of the begin field

- if you double-click the end field, DXKeeper will set the end field
to the contents of the begin field

- when you create a new QSO, the begin field will be initialized to
the date/time the previously-entered QSO began; if you click in the
begin field, you can adjust the time using the arrow keys, if that's
quicker than keying in the actual time.

I wish we'd gotten handwriting recognition to work, but that's even
harder than holographic CW keys...

73,

Dave, AA6YQ


--- In dxlab@..., "Anthony W. DePrato" <wa4jqs@m...>
wrote:
i was entering some old qso tonight and the small window that you
enter
them in does not have a date/time place. when you hit log it puts
todays
date not a big problem as i just go into the log window and change
it
there.. just wonder if i have missed something as where or how to
enter old
log info by hand.
thanks
73 Tony wa4jqs


logging question

Anthony W. DePrato
 

i was entering some old qso tonight and the small window that you enter them in does not have a date/time place. when you hit log it puts todays date not a big problem as i just go into the log window and change it there.. just wonder if i have missed something as where or how to enter old log info by hand.
thanks
73 Tony wa4jqs


Re: DXKeeper 2.9.5 is available

Anthony W. DePrato
 

At 06:08 AM 11/1/2003 +0200, you wrote:
Hi Dave,

An excellent piece of software keeps getting better and better.
I agree outstanding.. work Dave.. cleaning up all the old files i imported
from the other logging programs . then its type type type and type as i
start on the paper logs
73 Tony wa4jqs

Anthony W. DePrato WA4JQS
South Sandwich Island Antarctic Dxpedition Group
VP8BZL VP8SSI 3Y0PI V31SS ZD8JQS WA4JQS/4K1 WA4JQS/K4C WA4JQS/ZS1
CQ DX HALL OF FAME # 35


Re: DVK and VW Keyer

Anthony W. DePrato
 

it.
Plus, with FSK you just lose too many functions and you can't do the
broadband decode and lots of other things, no waterfall snap to tune etc.
ASK is best thing since sliced bread IF you adjust it properly.


hummm my HAL unit's will decode anything 875 shift down.. so i do not
understand what you mean "can't do broadband decode ?
i do not use waterfall to turn i use a 2 in scope
and snap to tune ? i do not have to tune my 850's 950's or 870's do have to
tune my johnson's hallicraters' and collins though.
73 Tony


Re: CW Keyer

Anthony W. DePrato
 

At 02:43 AM 11/1/2003 +0000, you wrote:
Functional holographic display of mechanical keys is on the list...

OUTSTANDING THANK YOU
Tony


Re: DXKeeper 2.9.5 is available

Emmanuel F. Zambetas <sv1fze@...>
 

Hi Dave,

An excellent piece of software keeps getting better and better.

Thanks, Manny SV1FZE

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Bernstein [mailto:aa6yq@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:48 AM
To: dxlab@...
Subject: [dxlab] DXKeeper 2.9.5 is available

Compared to the most recent pubic release (2.9.2), this release

- correctly determines the WPX prefix from callsigns with /MMn
and /AMn suffixes where N is a digit

- accepts alphanumeric characters in the Capture window's RST fields

- forces characters entered into the Capture and Main windows' RST
fields to upper case

- ensures that the printer is properly initialized when QSL card or
label printing is initiated by clicking the Preview window's Print
button

- provides an operation that performs a callbook lookup on every QSO
visible on the Log Page Display, filling in missing information or
optionally replacing existing information

- sets maritime mobiles and aeronautical mobiles to an empty DXCC
prefix and country code 0, updates award tracking and progress
reports to include or exclude mobiles as appropriate, and adjusts the
Broken filter to ignore QSOs with a missing DXCC Prefix

- doesn't allow active QSO information in the Capture window to be
overwritten by a double-click on a SpotCollector Database entry
without giving the user the choice of first logging the Capture
window QSO information, overwriting the information, or discarding
the overwrite; QSO information in the Capture window is considered
live if a QSO start time has been established, either by clicking the
Capture window's Begin button or by entering a received signal report
(if the "Set QSO start when RST rcvd" box on the Config window's
General tab is checked).

- updates the Configuration.htm, index.htm, and Log.htm online
documentation files


From the Main window's Log QSOs tab,

* clicking the CBA button will query the selected Callbook database
for name, QTH information, and address information and add these to
the current QSO, but will not overwrite fields already containing
information [pre-existing functionality]

* depressing the Ctrl key while clicking the CBA button clears the
current QSO's name, QTH, and address fields before updating these
fields by querying the Callbook [pre-existing functionality]

* depressing the Alt key while clicking the CBA button, updates every
QSO in the Log Page Display by querying the selected Callbook
database for name, QTH information, and address information without
overwriting fields already containing information

* depressing both the Alt and CTRL keys while clicking the CBA
button will replace the name, QTH information, and address
information in every QSO in the Log Page Display by querying the
selected Callbook.

Note that applying the latter two operations to large numbers of QSOs
will take significant time, particularly if you haven't copied your
Callbook's database from CDROM to a hard drive. 3000 QSOs took around
15 minutes with my RAC database on a hard drive.

Maritime mobiles are callsigns ending in /MM or /MMn where n is a
digit; Aeronautical mobiles are callsigns ending in /AM or /AMn where
n is a digit. Entering one of these callsigns in Capture window or
the Main window's Log Page Display will set the country code to 0 and
clear the DXCC Prefix. The Maidenhead and VUCC progress reports
include QSOs with maritime mobiles, but not QSOs with aeronautical
mobiles; the WPX progress report includes QSOs with both maritime and
aeronautical mobiles. All other progress tracking and reporting
ignores QSOs with maritime and aeronautical mobiles.

My thanks who tested the predecessors of this version prior to its
release.

This release is available via http://www.qsl.net/dxlab/download.htm
or via this reflector's Files area.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ



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