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Re: Clown cars

Steve
 

Fifteen years ago our neighbors were the local pastor and his family. One day the 4 year old came over and asked, "Is that a clown car?" Now where did that come from? When Tyson Friday and I drug home the barely recognizable remains of a 48 pickup, the pastor came over and asked, "Would you like me to give it last rites?"

I am quite proud to own cars that bring a smile to so many faces. Yes, there are those in the automotive collector community that turn up their nose at the "dumpy, dowdy Crosley" (quoting a 1948 Chrysler memo), but there is a whole world of people out there that are amazed and amused by seeing a Crosley. Crosleys aren't about being bigger, faster, and badder than anybody else. They're about being unique and different. Crosleys aren't about being wimpy or underpowered, it takes a lot of nerve to drive a Crosley around town.

I have received more thumbs up driving my Crosleys than I ever received driving my wife's Mustang GT Convertible. She has received more compliments on her Fiat 500 than any other car she has driven. Small cars fascinate folks. Be an ambassador, be an evangelist, share the good news of great gas mileage and America's first successful sub-compact. Powel Crosley, Jr. was a daring entrepreneur, let's keep that spirit alive. Crosleys - More Smiles per Gallon than any other car on the road.

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From: Crosley-Gang@groups.io [mailto:Crosley-Gang@groups.io] On Behalf Of paul
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 8:15 AM
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Clown cars

oh yeah, have a friend who puts it out but can't take it, he's 70 and
remembers the circus and a Crosley Fire truck ride from a park in
upstate NY. he rides me to no end. his name is Jim but he wants to be
called Harley because he has an incomplete, rough servicar, his dad's
1948 Harley 45 suicide shift that he can't keep running, and a newer hog
dresser worth probably 12K but he has close to 35 in it due to
breakdowns, engine rebuilds, etc. he has a 30/31 Model A sedan body
buried 20 years in the garage and the Chrysler hemi from his first car,
a 54 New Yorker. nothing else but he's building a street rod. you know
whose chops I like to bust by parking a running Crosley in front of his
house. Paul

On 7/23/2018 7:28 AM, Ron Dole wrote:, his dad's 1948
I hear the same stuff when I show pics of my car to people. I can't
wait till I get her back together and running. Then I will really hear
it once it's out in the public view. It's never from the older
generation. Only from people born in the 60's and later. I would guess
it's because most of them have never seen a Crosley, and don't know
what to say about it.

What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Todd Swangstu
 

I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd

Anyone know the original Crosly 4.5-12 tire dimensions ?

Todd Swangstu
 

I am looking at buying new tires for my Crosley Wagon and read someplace the original 4.50-12 bias plys were larger then even the 4.80-12s available today.  The tire numbering is usually a direct measurement of the tire so not sure if this is true.  Thus I am looking for someone with a low mileage Crosley or even an unused spare with a known original 4.50-12 still on it they could measure to figure out proper tire specifications.  As we all know a slight change in tire dimension greatly alters the effective MPH of any vehicle and this is quite important to good drive ability and speed.  Thanks for any help offered! Todd

Re: Anyone know the original Crosly 4.5-12 tire dimensions ?

crosleyshortsport
 

Smith Enterprises,  Tony Smith,  is a Crosley club member and advertises in the quarterly. He has the proper size tires. 260-665-2168    He will ship them to you.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 2:30 PM Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I am looking at buying new tires for my Crosley Wagon and read someplace the original 4.50-12 bias plys were larger then even the 4.80-12s available today.  The tire numbering is usually a direct measurement of the tire so not sure if this is true.  Thus I am looking for someone with a low mileage Crosley or even an unused spare with a known original 4.50-12 still on it they could measure to figure out proper tire specifications.  As we all know a slight change in tire dimension greatly alters the effective MPH of any vehicle and this is quite important to good drive ability and speed.  Thanks for any help offered! Todd

Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Gabriel Haddad
 

Hi Todd, I have always used a strap centered on the front axle and one over the diff tube. Tightened straight front and back. It takes a really bad road to make the car walk side to side. If you wanted to add two more straps as a four point, you would more add lateral support.
Good luck.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 2:30 PM Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd

Re: Anyone know the original Crosly 4.5-12 tire dimensions ?

Jim Bollman
 

I measured a like new original 4:50X12 and it was 21.5" in diameter. 
I measured a Coker BFG 4:50X12 when they first came out 30 years or so ago and they were 19.4" in diameter.
I run Carlisle USA trailer tires that look pretty good (Tony Smith cares them) 4:80X12 and they were 20.5" in diameter.

Tony has several lines of 12" tire both bias ply and radials.

Good luck.

Jim...

On Jul 25, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

I am looking at buying new tires for my Crosley Wagon and read someplace the original 4.50-12 bias plys were larger then even the 4.80-12s available today.  The tire numbering is usually a direct measurement of the tire so not sure if this is true.  Thus I am looking for someone with a low mileage Crosley or even an unused spare with a known original 4.50-12 still on it they could measure to figure out proper tire specifications.  As we all know a slight change in tire dimension greatly alters the effective MPH of any vehicle and this is quite important to good drive ability and speed.  Thanks for any help offered! Todd

Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Jim Bollman
 

I would not use a tie point in the center of the axle, it could bend the axle if you tie down to hard or hit some bumps, especially the pre 1950 axle that was lighter weight. I always do two in the front and two in the back either straight or crossed your choice. Tie in the front outboard of the leaf springs making sure your are looping around just the axle and not part of the steering linkage. On the back I again go outboard of the springs, be sure not to get any of the brake lines or cables in the loop around the axle, again either straight or crossed. I have used chains and straps, both are fine but don't use the really light weight cheap straps they sell at Harbor Freight or other box stores, be sure they are rated for the load you have. 

Being a belt and suspenders kind of guy I always add a single chain to the front, not pulled tight just as a last ditch in case the worse happens, the car will not roll into traffic behind me. I usually just loop that around a front spring shackle since it will only pull tight if something completely unexpected happens. 

A lot depends on how far your trailering too, if only a short distance you can be a little less cautious than if you're going hundreds of miles.

Jim...

On Jul 25, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd

Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Richard Williams
 

TIE DOWN TO THE AXLES.


On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎July‎ ‎25‎, ‎2018‎ ‎11‎:‎30‎:‎17‎ ‎AM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:


I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd

Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Terrance Robinson
 

how about the frame?--Terry

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd




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Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Ken Acheson
 

You never want ot tye down on frame as it is mounted on springs and will bounce and break your straps and move around

On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Terrance Robinson <tarobinson44@...> wrote:

how about the frame?--Terry

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd





--
Hurt not the Earth neither the Sea. Nor the Trees.                         Revelation 7:3  
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."   
                                                                            President Dwight D. Eisenhower 
"The only thing to buy on credit is your casket."                       James A Michener
Debt is "anything that you pay today for yesterday's living"              Ruth Hayden
A model of Christian Charity: "We are all responsible (institutions and individuals)    to each other and to serve the common good"              Gov. John Winthrop 1630

Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Jim Bollman
 

I agree in general, but I tie my FarmOroad down using I-Bolts I put into existing holes in the frame. The FOR has a very stiff suspension and I put enough tension on so the springs are partially compressed. I use ratchet straps on the back and chains and turnbuckles on the front, pus have a board that I pull against in the front and drop a second born into mounts in the back to keep it in place. I would not tie a regular Crosley to the frame for the reason's you give.

Jim...

On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Ken Acheson <jesse@...> wrote:

You never want ot tye down on frame as it is mounted on springs and will bounce and break your straps and move around

On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Terrance Robinson <tarobinson44@...> wrote:

how about the frame?--Terry

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd





--
Hurt not the Earth neither the Sea. Nor the Trees.                         Revelation 7:3  
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."   
                                                                            President Dwight D. Eisenhower 
"The only thing to buy on credit is your casket."                       James A Michener
Debt is "anything that you pay today for yesterday's living"              Ruth Hayden
A model of Christian Charity: "We are all responsible (institutions and individuals)    to each other and to serve the common good"              Gov. John Winthrop 1630


Trying to contact John Dahl in St Louis

jlg1875@...
 

I'm a new member so if this message is not allowed admin you can delete with my apologies. Does anyone have contact info for Mr. Dahl? He has been periodically helping and giving advice to a friend who is restoring my 1950 "fire engine" in St Louis, and my friend doesn't have any info other than his name. I'd like to reach out to him with a few questions and to thank him. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

Re: Trying to contact John Dahl in St Louis

crosleyshortsport
 

I know he is on Crosley automobiles fun little cars facebook group site. I do not see his name in the current club roster. I will try to get the message to him, that you are looking for him.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 5:03 PM jlg1875 via Groups.Io <jlg1875=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm a new member so if this message is not allowed admin you can delete with my apologies. Does anyone have contact info for Mr. Dahl? He has been periodically helping and giving advice to a friend who is restoring my 1950 "fire engine" in St Louis, and my friend doesn't have any info other than his name. I'd like to reach out to him with a few questions and to thank him. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

John Van Sickle
 

I .also suggest the car be put in neutral,,,

Re: Trying to contact John Dahl in St Louis

jlg1875@...
 

That would be fantastic! Can I message you my contact information to forward to him?

Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

L.E. Hardee
 

I too am overly cautious, but it saved both my crosley and possibly the tow vehicle.  I had inadvertently added extra Crosley parts in the Crosley such that the trailer was very tail heavy.  I did not realize this because the truck bed was also heavily loaded.  On the Interstate Northwest of Atlanta, a semi passed me and the air shock wave set up a bad oscillation. The trailer was swinging so violently that the trailer was on one wheel only and then the other.  I was all over both lanes of the highway as the trailer drug me back and forth.  The Crosley bumper broke out both tail lights on my 69 El Camino.  I realized that if I hit the brakes, I would roll the whole rig so I only jabbed the brakes when I timed that the trailer would be behind me and let up when it was jackknifed at the extreme of its swings.  It took about a mile to get the rig under control and over the the side of the road.  For some reason the other traffic backed off and let me have all the room I needed to fight for control.  Other than the tail light damage and loosing trailer hubcaps, I didn't hurt my rig or the crosley.  The trailer tires did scrape some paint on the car doors higher up than it would appear to be possible.  Go figure.

I use the four heavy straps to the axles approach but also use light duty straps to the bumper brackets straight down to the trailer.  I get someone to bounce the bumper down while I take up the slack with the strap.  This way the Crosley doesn't bounce much.  It might be over kill, but It worked for me.  My Crosley stayed on, even though the trailer was tilted sideways at 45 degrees or more. 



On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Jim Bollman <Jim@...> wrote:
I agree in general, but I tie my FarmOroad down using I-Bolts I put into existing holes in the frame. The FOR has a very stiff suspension and I put enough tension on so the springs are partially compressed. I use ratchet straps on the back and chains and turnbuckles on the front, pus have a board that I pull against in the front and drop a second born into mounts in the back to keep it in place. I would not tie a regular Crosley to the frame for the reason's you give.

Jim...

On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Ken Acheson <jesse@...> wrote:

You never want ot tye down on frame as it is mounted on springs and will bounce and break your straps and move around

On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:03 PM, Terrance Robinson <tarobinson44@...> wrote:

how about the frame?--Terry

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I am towing my first Crosley home.  Any recommendations on best spots underneath to tied down the vehicle to the trailer? Thanks Todd





--
Hurt not the Earth neither the Sea. Nor the Trees.                         Revelation 7:3  
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."   
                                                                            President Dwight D. Eisenhower 
"The only thing to buy on credit is your casket."                       James A Michener
Debt is "anything that you pay today for yesterday's living"              Ruth Hayden
A model of Christian Charity: "We are all responsible (institutions and individuals)    to each other and to serve the common good"              Gov. John Winthrop 1630



Re: What is best spot to tie down Crosley wagon for towing?

Steve Perry
 

I guess I’ll weigh in too.. I have towed several cars and some halfway across the US. I usually tie at the 4 corners since my trailer has eye bolts at those spots. A couple Ukrainian guys who picked my an MGA from me used a strap they call a Lasso Strap. 
The open end of the strap goes through the wheel and and then threads back through the sewn in D ring on the strap. So, you’re holding the car by the wheel/tire at the 4 corners. It’s also very easy to strap down and I strap since you don’t have to get under the car.
I’ve only hauled one car this way but I think it’s the easiest and safest method I’ve found
 
My $.02
 
Steve 
 

Re: Trying to contact John Dahl in St Louis

crosleyshortsport
 

Here ya go per Jon Dahl....


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 5:51 PM jlg1875 via Groups.Io <jlg1875=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
That would be fantastic! Can I message you my contact information to forward to him?

Re: Anyone know the original Crosly 4.5-12 tire dimensions ?

Todd Swangstu
 

Just picked up my car today and took a look and what a strange thing I found they are all marked ARCO 530/450-12 tires.  Interesting they have two sizes marked on em.  I did some research online and indeed the 480/12 are 20.5 inch and the 530/12 are 21.5.  Since Jim said his original spare 450 measure 21.5 and I see no issues with rubbing with the 21.5 ARCO 530/450s on mine I am going to go with the new 530-12s too.  I think the last thing a Crosley needs is a shorter tire to drop maximum speed even more.

Re: Anyone know the original Crosly 4.5-12 tire dimensions ?

Steve
 

Be creful with 530 x 12.  Put those on my 48.  Okay in the rear.  Rubbed the fender on the front when turning.

 

From: Crosley-Gang@groups.io [mailto:Crosley-Gang@groups.io] On Behalf Of Todd Swangstu
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:24 PM
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Anyone know the original Crosly 4.5-12 tire dimensions ?

 

Just picked up my car today and took a look and what a strange thing I found they are all marked ARCO 530/450-12 tires.  Interesting they have two sizes marked on em.  I did some research online and indeed the 480/12 are 20.5 inch and the 530/12 are 21.5.  Since Jim said his original spare 450 measure 21.5 and I see no issues with rubbing with the 21.5 ARCO 530/450s on mine I am going to go with the new 530-12s too.  I think the last thing a Crosley needs is a shorter tire to drop maximum speed even more.