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Re: He's Here!!!!

"mrcooby" <x779@...>
 

"Sue Pavlik" wrote:
On Wednesday, June 18, 2004, at around 2 pm we welcomed Craig Crosley ('5=
1)
and Baby Girl Citroen (58) into our family. The neighborhood turned out t=
o
view them.
Sue, heartfelt sympathies and shared anger on the senseless damage. It's be=
yond belief how someone can have the resources to acquire such heavy equipme=
nt as that and yet not have the wherewithal to use it properly and then to s=
hift the blame on resultant problems. "Crosswinds", indeed!
Good luck on the claims.

Now, I have about a million and one questions!!
Ask away here, Sue...

To start... how the heck do
I open the hood???
If the hood release on the chrome T-handle under the dash is missing for an=
y reason, try tripping the latch by depressing the hood a bit and then use a=
long bread knife to move the latch forward.

Is there anyone who'd like to come check out the cars and
give us a beginners guide to the Crosley Wagon? It's not driveable right
now... well, not at any speed, anyhow... 'cuz it doesn't have brakes.
Easy enough to set straight...

... the car came equipped with a
Crosley key fob that has "Service Motors", a name and a phone number
engraved on the back. How cool is *that*?!?!?
Very cool, indeed. SM did a classy job on those cloissoné fobs. I think the=
y date to the late 1980s, right, Bruce/Fonda?

Also, speaking of classy: thanks for including that shot of the ornate bric=
kwork on your garage!

I know that all the C_G folks join in wishing you well.

=Lou=

Re: Montello, Wisconsin

"mrcooby" <x779@...>
 

--- In Crosley_Gang@..., "Bill" <uwho_do@y...> wrote:
Hello, Going to Montello June,24-25-26-27 anyone in the area have any
Crosley's (not to buy just to see and take some pictures)
Bill, if you're near Kenosha, stop by. (What's in Montello? And by the way, a neighbor has family there.) And nearby, in Union Grove, there's a CC sedan with its original COBRA engine. Call first (on the Montellophone?) at (262) 652-3034.

Cheers,

=Lou=

Re: He's Here!!!!

"Sue Pavlik" <sue@...>
 

Lou wrote:

Good luck on the claims.

Thanks!!

If the hood release on the chrome T-handle under the dash is missing
for an=
y reason, try tripping the latch by depressing the hood a bit and
then use a=
long bread knife to move the latch forward.

Thanks, again. Part of the problem was that it's a partial sorta restoration
job, and the T-handle was replaced by a silver knob. Best I can tell, the
knobs (from steering column towards passenger door) are lights, wipers, hood
release, choke.

> now... well, not at any speed, anyhow... 'cuz it doesn't have
brakes.

Easy enough to set straight...

We're going to try to do the brakes ourselves. Sarah's done them before.
I'll just pass the tools, I suppose. <smile>

Three more questions: (I'm sure there will be more)

1) The ignition is a key that is turned and then a button on the dash near
the drivers door is pushed. Is this typical?

2) What are the knobs(?) sticking up inside the winshield just behind the
wipers? It looks like they're supposed to slide from side to side.

3) Right now, there are a couple of 2X4s under the drivers seat holding it
up. I can see where something was bolted to the floor under the seat. Was
there something that adjusted the height of the seat, or what?

More questions already...

Is the back seat stationary? (Ours is just sitting loose back there.) If so,
we may retrofit so that we can easily take the seat out, and use the Crosley
for Costco trips. It looks like it will hold more than my Geo Metro 4 door!

Regarding the rear windows: Did they open from both the front and back of
the car? What type of handle was there to open and close them? (there's just
flat safety glass right now)

We LOVE the vents and heater!! Such simple technology. I'm sure, though,
that I won't want to have my leg touch the heater in the wintertime. We also
recognize that tailgate parties will be kindof difficult since the tailgate
doesn't fully open.

We had someone come for an estimate this morning for 3 of our cars: to
repair and paint the two new cars, and to paint cow spots on the metro. I'm
truly hoping that we won't have TOOO much trouble with the insurance claim,
though it looks like they've given other folks trouble in the past.

Also, speaking of classy: thanks for including that shot of the
ornate bric=
kwork on your garage!

Sadly, that's not our garage. It's a house that we saw while picking up more
boxes so that we can finally get Eric and I moved into my Sweetie's house.
We've been working on it for a year and a half (see post script), and we're
nearly here. Ahhhhh.

I know that all the C_G folks join in wishing you well.

Thank you again!!

Sue

p.s. In response to my questions about seat belts, I received an email
saying that the person doubted that:

1) Crosley's dont go fast enough to really warrant use of seatbelts

2) No 17 year old male that he knows would use seatbelts unless he was
required to, let alone demand that they be in the car, and that it sounds
like he needs to grow up and go have some fun.

3) He worked as a paramedic for many years and has seen a lot of problems
and injuries caused to people who have seatbelts on, especially lap only
belts.

I am a NHTSA Certified Child Passenger Safety Technician (Car Seat Tech),
and I've been mulling over how to respond to such an email (that had a tone
much more disrespectful than that presented above) for a month. I'm almost
not sure it *warrants* a response except that the writer is clearly missing
current information about automobile safety.

1) The severity of injury in a crash is not determined solely by the speed
of the vehicle you are in. Even if I were at a stand still in my Crosley, if
the other car was much larger or was going even 5 mph, it is likely that I
would sustain major injury (especially in a car like a Crosley or a 2CV) if
it were to run into me.

2) *MY* children, and many other children his age, have been taught from
infancy on that the driver is not to move the car unless and until every
passenger and the driver are properly restrained. They know that life is
precious and valuable, and that driving or riding in a motor vehicle without
such restraint is both dangerous and stupid. (Okay, I use "foolish" when
talking with them, but I'm really miffed at the writer of the email.)

3) The strongest parts of the body are the hips and shoulders. A properly
worn lap-shoulder seatbelt positions the belt so that those areas of the
body will take the forces of the crash. It is true that it is *extremely*
dangerous (as in DO NOT DO IT) for a *child* to be restrained in a lap-only
seatbelt. This is because the size (weight) of the child's head in
comparison to the body weight is such that severe spinal and internal organ
injury will occur. For adults, while a lap-only belt is not as safe as a
lap-shoulder belt, a lap-only belt is safer than no seatbelt at all.

In addition to my answer to number 2, it appears that the writer has never
met a 17 year old with special needs. My son has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome,
ADHD, Mild Mental Retardation, Bi-Polar Disorder, Anxiety Disorder and AIDS.
Looking at him and having short conversations with him would not reveal his
differences, but several of his difficulties could (and do) cause him to be
hyper-vigilent about potentially dangerous situations. I prefer to honor
those safety related fears as valid rather than make him determine degrees
of danger and safety. I believe that it is always wise to err on the side of
safety.

Now that I have had input from many of you (Thank you!), have corresponded
with many CPST professionals and have seen the car, I have decided not to
have the car retrofitted with seatbelts and to give my son (and others who
are wary of riding beltless) the option of not joining me, or meeting me at
a vacant parking lot. Thanks to all of you who gave input!

Sue's CD Station Wagon

"mrcooby" <x779@...>
 

--- In Crosley_Gang@..., "Sue Pavlik" <sue@p...> wrote:

Thanks, again. Part of the problem was that it's a partial sorta restoration
job, and the T-handle was replaced by a silver knob.
Sounds like the cable wore out and the owner headed for NAPA.
Best I can tell, the
knobs (from steering column towards passenger door) are lights, wipers, hood
release, choke.
Right.

Three more questions: (I'm sure there will be more)

1) The ignition is a key that is turned and then a button on the dash > > > near the drivers door is pushed. Is this typical?
On four-cylinder Crosleys, yes. It's a reliable system that was common at the time.

2) What are the knobs(?) sticking up inside the winshield just behind the
wipers? It looks like they're supposed to slide from side to side.
Those knobs have led to many newly-invented cusswords over the decades. Four-cylinder Crosleys have vacuum wipers, one vacuum motor per blade because that was cheaper/easier than using under-dash linkage. The knobs don't work well. Service Motors sells an extension to lengthen the knob. Try pulling/pushing them straight up and down rather than side to side.

3) Right now, there are a couple of 2X4s under the drivers seat holding it
up. I can see where something was bolted to the floor under the seat. Was
there something that adjusted the height of the seat, or what?
Somebody changed something; hard to say what without seeing it. (Photo?) There is no height adjustment, just back-and-forth. The hardware for this is very simple and may be missing on your car.

More questions already...

Is the back seat stationary? (Ours is just sitting loose back there.) If so,
we may retrofit so that we can easily take the seat out, and use the Crosley
for Costco trips. It looks like it will hold more than my Geo Metro 4 door!
I never had one in mine, so I'm not certain on that. Mine is a hauler, too; it was a staff car for an American Legion post.

Regarding the rear windows: Did they open from both the front and back of
the car? What type of handle was there to open and close them? (there's just
flat safety glass right now)
They open either way. Service Motors and other suppliers sell an L-shaped grip that attaches right to the edges of the glass about halfway up. You have the Super model with crank windows up front, but with the standard model you'd have sliding windows on the front doors as well. (Crosley called those "aircraft-style"!)

We LOVE the vents and heater!! Such simple technology. I'm sure, though,
that I won't want to have my leg touch the heater in the wintertime.
You'll never freeze in a Crosley. :-)

A local lady I know is an architect, and she also appreciates Crosley's basic technology. The professional term for it, she says, is "direct design", and is sought after by engineers.

We also recognize that tailgate parties will be kind of difficult since > the tailgate doesn't fully open.
I have the traditional two-piece center-divided tailgate in my '48, but most CGers seem to prefer the one-piece ambulance-type rear door on their wagons.

(While talking safety, now is a good time to mention again that there's a carbon monoxide hazard in driving with the double tailgates open for long.)

And that leads me to wonder if Crosley might have been the first carmaker to adopt that one-piece door for passenger cars. Never thought of that until this second...

We had someone come for an estimate this morning for 3 of our cars: to
repair and paint the two new cars, and to paint cow spots on the metro.
Are you anywhere near Wisconsin? :-)
And by the way, Pavlik is a common name in this area. Do you know Emil or Judy Pavlik?

=Lou=

Re: Tow Bar

Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
 

I have towed for short distances (10-15 miles) without problems. I made a bracket to assure that the gear shift didn't bounce into gear. I have a homemade tow bar that bolts on in place of the bumper.

The topic was covered a few years ago on an earlier version of this forum. The info is indexed on the
http://www.ggw.org/~cac/CrosleyGarage/index.html
web site just click on "T" and then "Towing Your Crosley".

Jim...

On Jun 18, 2004, at 8:48 PM, don168@... wrote:

I used a tow bar, bought a station wagon south
of Ind IN , towed it to Crosley meet in Ohio. Then back to TX. I had no
problem at all.
But, have heard of people that did.

Re: Tow Bar

"Randy C" <nsu@...>
 

Replacing the poppet springs in the transmission cover with heavier ones
gives more positive shifting and eliminates the car going into gear when
being towed.

Randy

I have towed for short distances (10-15 miles) without problems. I
made a bracket to assure that the gear shift didn't bounce into gear.
I have a homemade tow bar that bolts on in place of the bumper.

The topic was covered a few years ago on an earlier version of this
forum. The info is indexed on the
http://www.ggw.org/~cac/CrosleyGarage/index.html
web site just click on "T" and then "Towing Your Crosley".

Jim...

Re: Crosley of the Month

"David W. Anspach" <tmkldwwj@...>
 

Jim;
I sincerely apologise. I must be having a Yahoo moment. I swear
that when I went to check there were only 5 pages of archived
pictures and yours was not there. Either that or it is a case of
selective memory on my part. Either way, I admit I was
wr...wro...wrrrr...somewhat incorrect. I still stand on my original
statement, it belongs there again!!! Stubborn, aren't I?

Need a ride to Ohio

"johnsnaugle" <johnsnaugle@...>
 

Greetings,
I am planning to go to the Crosley event in Waseon, Ohio, after I
help my wife move to Souderton, PA, just north of Philadelphia. I
wondered if anyone was making the trip and would like a rider to
help with expenses. I can be contacted at johnsnaugle@...

Thanks.

John

Xervac on eBay

Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
 

Here is your chance to own one of the rarer Crosley products.

If you are folic impaired maybe you can even write off the purchase as a medical expense.

CROSLEY XERVAC HAIR GROWTH MCHN QUACK MEDICINE RARE!
Item number: 2252512418

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=4069&item=2252512418&rd=1

If someone on the board buys this I want photos for the club website.

JIm...

2004 Macungie Truck Show

"Jim Bollman" <Jim@...>
 

I posted a photo of the Crosleys at the ATCA show last weekend at
Macungie PA. We were the small end of the show.

Shown are 3 FORs and a 47 Roundside.

Barry Seel - FOR
Jim Oliver - Roundside
Jim Bollman - FOR
Missed name of last FOR owner.

Photo is in the Meet folder.

Jim...

Re: Crosley of the Month

Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
 

I will try to get officer/director pictures at the Nationals but to appease the curious, I have posted pictures of myself loading my FOR as I was getting ready to leave Macungie PA truck show this weekend.

Look in the FOR picture folder.

Jim...

On Jun 21, 2004, at 9:21 AM, David W. Anspach wrote:

Jim;
I sincerely apologise. I must be having a Yahoo moment. I swear
that when I went to check there were only 5 pages of archived
pictures and yours was not there. Either that or it is a case of
selective memory on my part. Either way, I admit I was
wr...wro...wrrrr...somewhat incorrect. I still stand on my original
statement, it belongs there again!!! Stubborn, aren't I?

Re: 2004 Macungie Truck Show

"BARRY SEEL" <CROSLEY19@...>
 

Jim, the owner of theother FOR is Andy Burr, he is from Homesdale, Pa.

--- In Crosley_Gang@..., "Jim Bollman" <Jim@B...> wrote:
I posted a photo of the Crosleys at the ATCA show last weekend at
Macungie PA. We were the small end of the show.

Shown are 3 FORs and a 47 Roundside.

Barry Seel - FOR
Jim Oliver - Roundside
Jim Bollman - FOR
Missed name of last FOR owner.

Photo is in the Meet folder.

Jim...

Rocky Mountain Regional Meet

"Dale Varra" <phoneguypd@...>
 

Any information on location for the Rocky Mountain Meet in Kansas
yet? Thanks.

Dale
Lamar, CO.

Re: Rocky Mountain Regional Meet

Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
 

Try eMailing the regional President Tom McDowell <BUGGER5913@...>

Jim...

On Jun 21, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Dale Varra wrote:

Any information on location for the Rocky Mountain Meet in Kansas
yet? Thanks.

Dale
Lamar, CO.

Ring Gears

"mrcooby" <x779@...>
 

Hey, there, CGers...

I started the '48 station wagon yesterday, or tried to, and the flywheel gear came off. Ever happen to you?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
While I'm here...

For you Chicago/Milwaukee-area folks, there's an excellent Cruise Night every Cruiseday, er, Tuesday in Kenosha WI at Wendy's on 75th Street at 39th Avenue. (75th Street is WI 50).
We get some really nice original iron; last week alone we had a '35 DeSoto Airflow, a '41 Packard convertible, a '40 Buick convertible, '42 Cadillac sedan, '50 Rambler convertible (with the Crosley-like convertible rails), '50 Studebaker President and so forth. (The national Hupp club was there in 2002.) Tonight I'll be there in the '42 Liberty sedan, and I hope some Crosley folk can drop by from time to time.

=Lou=

Re: Ring Gears

"Chuck Koehler" <chuckhk@...>
 

Most are tack welded on--if using a stock starter & flywheel you
should have no problem--put it on & clamp it to make it straight--
weld it at 3 equal spots.On some conversions the ring gear is
reversed & the starter will knock the gear off.IF carefull it CAN be
WELDED WITHOUT PULLING ENGINE. Hope this helps some.---




In Crosley_Gang@..., "mrcooby" <x779@w...> wrote:
Hey, there, CGers...

I started the '48 station wagon yesterday, or tried to, and the
flywheel gear came off. Ever happen to you?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
While I'm here...

For you Chicago/Milwaukee-area folks, there's an excellent Cruise
Night every Cruiseday, er, Tuesday in Kenosha WI at Wendy's on 75th
Street at 39th Avenue. (75th Street is WI 50).
We get some really nice original iron; last week alone we had a '35
DeSoto Airflow, a '41 Packard convertible, a '40 Buick
convertible, '42 Cadillac sedan, '50 Rambler convertible (with the
Crosley-like convertible rails), '50 Studebaker President and so
forth. (The national Hupp club was there in 2002.) Tonight I'll be
there in the '42 Liberty sedan, and I hope some Crosley folk can drop
by from time to time.

=Lou=

ohio

"wally_48329" <wally_48329@...>
 

is the ohio meet the first week end or the second of july? i'm
getting very senile. been going for many years, all the suden
couldnt remember. thanks wally

Re: ohio

"BARRY SEEL" <CROSLEY19@...>
 

It is always the weekend after the 4th of July. The meet is July 9th,
and 10th
Barry
--- In Crosley_Gang@..., "wally_48329" <wally_48329@y...>
wrote:
is the ohio meet the first week end or the second of july? i'm
getting very senile. been going for many years, all the suden
couldnt remember. thanks wally

Re: ohio

Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
 

The actual formula is the second Saturday in July and starting last year the Friday before the second Saturday.

Jim...

On Jun 22, 2004, at 9:11 PM, wally_48329 wrote:

is the ohio meet the first week end or the second of july? i'm
getting very senile. been going for many years, all the suden
couldnt remember. thanks wally

Re: ohio

pepsi-01@...
 

hi barry hey you still got that 48 crosley wagon for sell ,if u do
what all parts come with it and what would your botom $ be on it. hope
u remember me i got 2 fuel pumps from u about a month ago , they both
are rebuilt now an working perfect. i,m interested in the 48 wagon you
got for sell . travis