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Re: Question about installing new brake linings on a 47

David Reina
 

Also Butch I have some lining material that I bought a long time ago and which was rough cut into long and short lengths. The short ones are 7 1/2” and the long ones are longer than the shoes and will need to be cut down. Any suggestion on how to orient the shorter pieces?

On Oct 10, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Butch via Groups.Io <butch46988=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

David,

Crosley, like most manufacturers, used a long and a short shoe, this was done for various reasons.

When we had Service Motors, and when I do shoes here, now, I use long linings on all shoes. There is no detrimental reason not too.

Crosleys, especially the 6" cable braked cars, can use all the braking/stopping power that they can muster up.

Butch

On 10/10/2019 8:14 PM, David Reina via Groups.Io wrote:
I am trying to rivet new brake linings onto the cast iron shoes for my 47 sedan. I am ready to cut the linings and drill them for the rivets but am confused by some information in my old manual. It says??? The service brake lining( for use on brake shoes with rivets ) is 1??? shorter in the cam end and is assembled on the brake shoe toward the adjustment.??? Will someone decipher this for me. Both shoes end up at the cam and all eight linings I removed were the same length and all the same spacing on the shoe. About 7/16??? from each end of the shoe. I was hoping to get this done tonight so I could try and install them this weekend. I could go with the length of what was removed but am wondering if I am missing something.

Regards,
Dave


Re: Question about installing new brake linings on a 47

David Reina
 

Thanks Butch. I was just measuring the shoes I removed. They are 8”. Do you have a thought about breaking the ends with a small bevel?

On Oct 10, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Butch via Groups.Io <butch46988=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

David,

Crosley, like most manufacturers, used a long and a short shoe, this was done for various reasons.

When we had Service Motors, and when I do shoes here, now, I use long linings on all shoes. There is no detrimental reason not too.

Crosleys, especially the 6" cable braked cars, can use all the braking/stopping power that they can muster up.

Butch

On 10/10/2019 8:14 PM, David Reina via Groups.Io wrote:
I am trying to rivet new brake linings onto the cast iron shoes for my 47 sedan. I am ready to cut the linings and drill them for the rivets but am confused by some information in my old manual. It says??? The service brake lining( for use on brake shoes with rivets ) is 1??? shorter in the cam end and is assembled on the brake shoe toward the adjustment.??? Will someone decipher this for me. Both shoes end up at the cam and all eight linings I removed were the same length and all the same spacing on the shoe. About 7/16??? from each end of the shoe. I was hoping to get this done tonight so I could try and install them this weekend. I could go with the length of what was removed but am wondering if I am missing something.

Regards,
Dave


Re: Question about installing new brake linings on a 47

Butch
 

David,

Crosley, like most manufacturers, used a long and a short shoe, this was done for various reasons.

When we had Service Motors, and when I do shoes here, now, I use long linings on all shoes. There is no detrimental reason not too.

Crosleys, especially the 6" cable braked cars, can use all the braking/stopping power that they can muster up.

Butch

On 10/10/2019 8:14 PM, David Reina via Groups.Io wrote:
I am trying to rivet new brake linings onto the cast iron shoes for my 47 sedan. I am ready to cut the linings and drill them for the rivets but am confused by some information in my old manual. It says??? The service brake lining( for use on brake shoes with rivets ) is 1??? shorter in the cam end and is assembled on the brake shoe toward the adjustment.??? Will someone decipher this for me. Both shoes end up at the cam and all eight linings I removed were the same length and all the same spacing on the shoe. About 7/16??? from each end of the shoe. I was hoping to get this done tonight so I could try and install them this weekend. I could go with the length of what was removed but am wondering if I am missing something.

Regards,
Dave

Question about installing new brake linings on a 47

David Reina
 

I am trying to rivet new brake linings onto the cast iron shoes for my 47 sedan. I am ready to cut the linings and drill them for the rivets but am confused by some information in my old manual. It says” The service brake lining( for use on brake shoes with rivets ) is 1” shorter in the cam end and is assembled on the brake shoe toward the adjustment.” Will someone decipher this for me. Both shoes end up at the cam and all eight linings I removed were the same length and all the same spacing on the shoe. About 7/16” from each end of the shoe. I was hoping to get this done tonight so I could try and install them this weekend. I could go with the length of what was removed but am wondering if I am missing something.

Regards,
Dave

Re: Crofton Steering Column Wanted

crosleyshortsport
 

Kevin, I just finished parting out a 51 Crosley sedan today. I have a good steering column / steering box. If it will work for you, I can ship it. I am in NY, so shipping will be a factor. I will sell the part for $ 125.00. Jeffrey Ackerman  cell# 585-315-7005


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 1:47 PM James Dlapa <crosley1980@...> wrote:
Hi Kevin, I am from Vista, do not have a steering column, but am interested in what you have. Any emblems, I want to have a couple cast. I am also restoring a Crofton bug
(760)855-5513

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM <mkocci@...> wrote:

Good morning, I am in need of a complete steering column for a Crofton restoration.

It needs to measure 48” from tip to tail.

Any available?  I am in San Diego and have Crosley parts to trade or sell.

Thank you

Kevin

619 426-3114

 

Re: Crofton Steering Column Wanted

James Dlapa
 

Hi Kevin, I am from Vista, do not have a steering column, but am interested in what you have. Any emblems, I want to have a couple cast. I am also restoring a Crofton bug
(760)855-5513

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:56 AM <mkocci@...> wrote:

Good morning, I am in need of a complete steering column for a Crofton restoration.

It needs to measure 48” from tip to tail.

Any available?  I am in San Diego and have Crosley parts to trade or sell.

Thank you

Kevin

619 426-3114

 

Crofton Steering Column Wanted

mkocci@...
 

Good morning, I am in need of a complete steering column for a Crofton restoration.

It needs to measure 48” from tip to tail.

Any available?  I am in San Diego and have Crosley parts to trade or sell.

Thank you

Kevin

619 426-3114

 

Re: Steering wheel removal

wvanbusk
 

Corrosion in the metal slot cut in the metal ring molded in steering wheel can bind the shaft and woodruff key. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(engineering)#Woodruff_keys). Orient the wheel slot upward and put a drop of mild acid in the channel so that gravity and capillary action will penetrate down the shaft to the key and keyway. E.g.; phosphoric acid, which alters rust. Periodically leverage the joint by tapping the shaft with the nut loose with  attempts to rock the wheel. Eventually (hours or days) the corrosion in the joint will begin to dissolve the key will start to travel down through the keyway and the shaft will also become free. The small woodruff key may stay in the shaft cutout, hang on the end of the wheel slot or fall out in the process of separation.

Re: Farm O Road Questions

jeff
 

I will trade them for an engine rebuild.   You can come by my house in West Sacramento anytime.  I also have many good Crosley engines and parts.

Jeff Lyon 
513 4th Street 
West Sacramento 95605

916.860.9690



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-------- Original message --------
From: "dale@..." <Dale@...>
Date: 10/7/19 6:09 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

What do you need for all three???


On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:12 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Body, hood, frame



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Dlapa via Groups.Io" <treestumpbvd@...>
Date: 10/6/19 5:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

what parts are avalible

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 03:38:42 PM CDT, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:


Very helpful photos.   I will make my own coupler.   Thanks again 

Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/6/19 10:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

Here are some photos and a couple of measurements for the hydraulic coupler. If I left something out ask. The coupler is comprised of a pulley mounted 3 pin adapter, fiber coupler and a metal adapter that goes on hydraulic pump shaft. The fiber coupler is .4" thick and 1.85" in diameter. The studs on the hydraulic pump adapter and pulley are 1/4" in diameter and 7/16" long. First picture is the mount for the pump, pump and coupler. Rest of the pictures should be obvious. I always thought a coupler that could easily be disconnect without tools would be nice but not much room.



On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:46 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...> 
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>


Re: Farm O Road Questions

dale@servicemotors.net
 

What do you need for all three???


On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:12 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Body, hood, frame



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Dlapa via Groups.Io" <treestumpbvd@...>
Date: 10/6/19 5:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

what parts are avalible

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 03:38:42 PM CDT, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:


Very helpful photos.   I will make my own coupler.   Thanks again 

Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/6/19 10:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

Here are some photos and a couple of measurements for the hydraulic coupler. If I left something out ask. The coupler is comprised of a pulley mounted 3 pin adapter, fiber coupler and a metal adapter that goes on hydraulic pump shaft. The fiber coupler is .4" thick and 1.85" in diameter. The studs on the hydraulic pump adapter and pulley are 1/4" in diameter and 7/16" long. First picture is the mount for the pump, pump and coupler. Rest of the pictures should be obvious. I always thought a coupler that could easily be disconnect without tools would be nice but not much room.



On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:46 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...> 
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>


Re: Farm O Road Questions

jeff
 

Body, hood, frame



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Dlapa via Groups.Io" <treestumpbvd@...>
Date: 10/6/19 5:39 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

what parts are avalible

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 03:38:42 PM CDT, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:


Very helpful photos.   I will make my own coupler.   Thanks again 

Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/6/19 10:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

Here are some photos and a couple of measurements for the hydraulic coupler. If I left something out ask. The coupler is comprised of a pulley mounted 3 pin adapter, fiber coupler and a metal adapter that goes on hydraulic pump shaft. The fiber coupler is .4" thick and 1.85" in diameter. The studs on the hydraulic pump adapter and pulley are 1/4" in diameter and 7/16" long. First picture is the mount for the pump, pump and coupler. Rest of the pictures should be obvious. I always thought a coupler that could easily be disconnect without tools would be nice but not much room.



On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:46 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...> 
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>


Re: Steering wheel removal

crosleyshortsport
 

Ron,  I have removed two Crosley steering wheels while restoring the cars they were on. Both of these restorations were done on vehicles that had always been stored inside. One of them simply came off, with gentle tapping, after unscrewing the nut. The other one, acted exactly as you describe. I tried the penetrating oil, I tried a steering wheel puller, I made a heavy round "tapping" block to fit around the column, so I could evenly slam the wheel backwards off. Through all this, of course I did not want to damage the threads. NOTHING worked !  That thing was not budging. I happen to have an extra wheel on display in my small Crosley museum. I fired up the cut off wheel, and carefully removed the wheel. When I got down to the center area and had cut as close as possible, It still took a hammer and chisel to get that bugger off. I was successful in not damaging anything on the column. You may need to do the same. Jorn Jensen from PA. has the correct Shellar wheels available for around $120.  Best Regards,   Jeffrey


On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 5:26 PM Ron D. <rdole417@...> wrote:
OK guys, lets hear your best way to remove a steering wheel, without breaking it. I tried screwing a nut on, close to the wheel, but not touching it, then screw a bolt down in the nut, and snug it against the steering shaft threads, and pull up on the wheel while hitting the bolt with a hammer.  Didn't work for me. I have been spraying it with PB Blaster for several weeks, but that hasn't helped either.

Re: Farm O Road Questions

Brian Dlapa
 

what parts are avalible

On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 03:38:42 PM CDT, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:


Very helpful photos.   I will make my own coupler.   Thanks again 

Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/6/19 10:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

Here are some photos and a couple of measurements for the hydraulic coupler. If I left something out ask. The coupler is comprised of a pulley mounted 3 pin adapter, fiber coupler and a metal adapter that goes on hydraulic pump shaft. The fiber coupler is .4" thick and 1.85" in diameter. The studs on the hydraulic pump adapter and pulley are 1/4" in diameter and 7/16" long. First picture is the mount for the pump, pump and coupler. Rest of the pictures should be obvious. I always thought a coupler that could easily be disconnect without tools would be nice but not much room.



On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:46 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



Sent from my jphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...> 
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>


Steering wheel removal

Ron D.
 

OK guys, lets hear your best way to remove a steering wheel, without breaking it. I tried screwing a nut on, close to the wheel, but not touching it, then screw a bolt down in the nut, and snug it against the steering shaft threads, and pull up on the wheel while hitting the bolt with a hammer.  Didn't work for me. I have been spraying it with PB Blaster for several weeks, but that hasn't helped either.

Re: Farm O Road Questions

jeff
 

Very helpful photos.   I will make my own coupler.   Thanks again 

Jeff



Sent from my jphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/6/19 10:20 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

Here are some photos and a couple of measurements for the hydraulic coupler. If I left something out ask. The coupler is comprised of a pulley mounted 3 pin adapter, fiber coupler and a metal adapter that goes on hydraulic pump shaft. The fiber coupler is .4" thick and 1.85" in diameter. The studs on the hydraulic pump adapter and pulley are 1/4" in diameter and 7/16" long. First picture is the mount for the pump, pump and coupler. Rest of the pictures should be obvious. I always thought a coupler that could easily be disconnect without tools would be nice but not much room.



On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:46 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



Sent from my jphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...> 
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>


Re: Farm O Road Questions

Jim Bollman
 

Here are some photos and a couple of measurements for the hydraulic coupler. If I left something out ask. The coupler is comprised of a pulley mounted 3 pin adapter, fiber coupler and a metal adapter that goes on hydraulic pump shaft. The fiber coupler is .4" thick and 1.85" in diameter. The studs on the hydraulic pump adapter and pulley are 1/4" in diameter and 7/16" long. First picture is the mount for the pump, pump and coupler. Rest of the pictures should be obvious. I always thought a coupler that could easily be disconnect without tools would be nice but not much room.



On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:46 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...> 
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>


Re: Farm O Road Questions

jeff
 

Thanks very much!



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-------- Original message --------
From: crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...>
Date: 10/5/19 5:54 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

This is the axle seal that Napa matched up for me many years ago. It still does not leak.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019, 5:46 PM jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:
Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



Sent from my jphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>

Re: Farm O Road Questions

crosleyshortsport
 

This is the axle seal that Napa matched up for me many years ago. It still does not leak.


On Sat, Oct 5, 2019, 5:46 PM jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:
Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 


Jeff



Sent from my jphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>

Re: Farm O Road Questions

jeff
 

Thanks Jim.  I will take the paint formula to the auto paint store.  I need the whole coupler.  I would appreciate photos of your coupler. 

jeffalyon@... 

Jeff



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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
Date: 10/5/19 2:05 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Farm O Road Questions

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>

Re: Farm O Road Questions

Jim Bollman
 

If you're talking about the green that most FORs are painted it was unique to the FOR and doesn't show up on the paint chip charts or lists. I have a formula that was matched to the FOR Green by Paul Gorrell in 1998. Here are my notes.

As matched by DuPont for Paul Gorrell
Use Centari single stage label

Cumulative Mix
1650A 3-Centari
Mix size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              454.9
705 A Black (HS)              1280.7
700 A White                     2487.2
738 A Lt Yellow              3938.8

Non Cumulative Mix
Mix Size: Gallon
758 S Drier                     196.9
725 A Iron Blue              258.1
705 A Black (HS)              825.8
700 A White                     1206.5
738 A Lt Yellow              1451.6

The numbers on the left are the code numbers for the various tints used ie 725 A is specific for Duponts Iron Blue.   The number on the right is supposedly the number of grams of that specific tint that is added to the mix.  In a cumulative mix the number is the total number of grams in the mix added so that the scale can be read at any time.  In a non cumulative mix the number is the individual number of grams for each tint.   Numbers geeks like us will quickly realize that if you add the non cumulative numbers, you get approximately the cumulative numbers.  I would guess the variances are in rounding.

I don't have part numbers for the axle seals but I thing Service Motors have them in stock if you call or eMail them.

Do you only need the part of the hydraulic coupler that is attached to the pulley or the whole coupler? I don't know where you can get one but I can take pictures of mine and they could be fabricated, fairly simple design. I have never installed my hydraulic pump because I was told that if you drive your FOR at speed you will burn out the pump, don't know if that is true but I do drive mine at road speeds and don't need hydraulics.

Jim...

On Oct 5, 2019, at 4:34 PM, jeff <jeffalyon@...> wrote:

Hello, I am working on restoring one FOR from two incomplete junk ones.  Have some extra FOR parts for trade/sale.  Questions;
1.  What is correct paint code for original light green body color?  Island Green, Ocean Foam Green, or Dark Green?
2.  Where can I find rear axle grease seals?  Part number?

Looking for front pulley coupler for hydraulic pump.

Thanks, 

Jeff in Sacramento  <20190801_104240.jpg>