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Re: Fageol Crank Case

Butch
 

Seb,

Yes, the rear seal bore can be modified to use the automotive rear seal.

Email me, and we'll discuss it.

Butch

On 4/3/2020 5:18 PM, seb fontana via groups.io wrote:
I have a Fageol Crank case, from vertical Out Board use. I has heavy webbs, strapped mains, big oil feed holes and full dia 5/16 studs. How can I use this Crank Case with a flanged car type crank shaft? While the seal dia on the outboard is the same dia. the style is totally different. Any one make them work? I have four of the fageol Crank Cases and I' hate to see them go to waste.
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Fageol Crank Case

seb fontana
 

I have a Fageol Crank case, from vertical Out Board use. I has heavy webbs, strapped mains, big oil feed holes and full dia 5/16 studs. How can I use this Crank Case with a flanged car type crank shaft? While the seal dia on the outboard is the same dia. the style is totally different. Any one make them work? I have four of the fageol Crank Cases and I' hate to see them go to waste..


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Spock Arnold
 

Raymond
     The "engine number" you gave is the casting number.   Your engine number will be found on the crankcase by the distributor.   The engine you show is a later one, not original to the car, however, depending on the number may be a replacement.  The dash looks familiar, but I can't put my finger on it.  If you want to sell it, it is saleable.  Post a picture of the radio and we will see if we can help on it. 


On Apr 2, 2020 7:50 PM, "Raymond via groups.io" <raymondjbz@...> wrote:
I took everybody's advice and joined the club. Today was spent cleaning out the whole car and removing the steering column and some bolts holding the body. I' going to order some manuals to assist me as was suggested. Hopefully, Monday I will start calling the suppliers to get some parts. Other than mechanical repairs on my cars and minor body work, I have never tried something like this before. I'm gonna give it a shot! 

My engine number is: R209900. Some other things I found were that the car seems to have been blue originally. Also, someone cut holes in the back and added 2 tail lights. I also found an extra dash in the car that seems to belong to a different model and an old radio that has vacuum tubes but doesn't look like the correct one fore the car. I have added pics for anyone interested.

Raymond


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Jim Bollman
 

Looks like your engine was built around August/September 1949. Has some improvements over ones that are converted CoBra block engines.

Jim...

On Apr 2, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Raymond via groups.io <raymondjbz@...> wrote:

I was at a loss because I couldn't find it but half a can of brake clean later, I think it's 106415. My radio doesn't look like any of those but I will post a picture tomorrow. 


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Raymond
 
Edited

I was at a loss because I couldn't find it but half a can of brake clean later, I think it's 106415. My radio doesn't look like any of those but I will post a picture tomorrow. 

EDIT: I will try to make it to chat tonight.

Thanks


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Jim Bollman
 

Just thought of something, since it is Thursday. A few of us get together in a club chat room for realtime discussions every Thursday and Sunday nights at 10pm EST. The discussions often get off on other topics but we are always happy to answer questions and give advice, between solving the words problems and weather discussions :-).

Just pick a name and leave the password blank.

Jim...

On Apr 2, 2020, at 8:02 PM, Jim Bollman <Jim.Bollman@...> wrote:

Service & Yankee have online stores if you want to browse before you call, there are links on the vendor page.

R209900 is the casting number and probably 99% of all Crosley cast iron blocks have that number even though there were numerous changes over the years of production. The engine serial number is to the rear of the distributor on the side of the crankcase, that will let us roughly date the engine.

Here is a link to the radios used in the Crosley http://crosleyautoclub.com/Car_Radios/Radios.html If your radio is one of these it is worth hanging on to, they bring big dollars for a nice one and more than you would thin for a poor one. 

Sounds like you have caught the bug. Welcome to the club. I bought the bug when I was 13, nearly 60 years ago.

Jim...

On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Raymond via groups.io <raymondjbz@...> wrote:

I took everybody's advice and joined the club. Today was spent cleaning out the whole car and removing the steering column and some bolts holding the body. I' going to order some manuals to assist me as was suggested. Hopefully, Monday I will start calling the suppliers to get some parts. Other than mechanical repairs on my cars and minor body work, I have never tried something like this before. I'm gonna give it a shot! 

My engine number is: R209900. Some other things I found were that the car seems to have been blue originally. Also, someone cut holes in the back and added 2 tail lights. I also found an extra dash in the car that seems to belong to a different model and an old radio that has vacuum tubes but doesn't look like the correct one fore the car. I have added pics for anyone interested.

Raymond
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Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Jim Bollman
 

Service & Yankee have online stores if you want to browse before you call, there are links on the vendor page.

R209900 is the casting number and probably 99% of all Crosley cast iron blocks have that number even though there were numerous changes over the years of production. The engine serial number is to the rear of the distributor on the side of the crankcase, that will let us roughly date the engine.

Here is a link to the radios used in the Crosley http://crosleyautoclub.com/Car_Radios/Radios.html If your radio is one of these it is worth hanging on to, they bring big dollars for a nice one and more than you would thin for a poor one. 

Sounds like you have caught the bug. Welcome to the club. I bought the bug when I was 13, nearly 60 years ago.

Jim...

On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Raymond via groups.io <raymondjbz@...> wrote:

I took everybody's advice and joined the club. Today was spent cleaning out the whole car and removing the steering column and some bolts holding the body. I' going to order some manuals to assist me as was suggested. Hopefully, Monday I will start calling the suppliers to get some parts. Other than mechanical repairs on my cars and minor body work, I have never tried something like this before. I'm gonna give it a shot! 

My engine number is: R209900. Some other things I found were that the car seems to have been blue originally. Also, someone cut holes in the back and added 2 tail lights. I also found an extra dash in the car that seems to belong to a different model and an old radio that has vacuum tubes but doesn't look like the correct one fore the car. I have added pics for anyone interested.

Raymond
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Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Butch
 

Raymond, correct, that dashboard is NOT for any Crosley. A photo of the radio would help identify it.

Butch

On 4/2/2020 7:50 PM, Raymond via groups.io wrote:
I took everybody's advice and joined the club. Today was spent cleaning out the whole car and removing the steering column and some bolts holding the body. I' going to order some manuals to assist me as was suggested. Hopefully, Monday I will start calling the suppliers to get some parts. Other than mechanical repairs on my cars and minor body work, I have never tried something like this before. I'm gonna give it a shot! 

My engine number is: R209900. Some other things I found were that the car seems to have been blue originally. Also, someone cut holes in the back and added 2 tail lights. I also found an extra dash in the car that seems to belong to a different model and an old radio that has vacuum tubes but doesn't look like the correct one fore the car. I have added pics for anyone interested.

Raymond
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Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Butch
 

Raymond,

That is the CASTING number, on the cast iron block, the engine number is stamped on the aluminum portion (the crankcase).

Butch

On 4/2/2020 7:50 PM, Raymond via groups.io wrote:
I took everybody's advice and joined the club. Today was spent cleaning out the whole car and removing the steering column and some bolts holding the body. I' going to order some manuals to assist me as was suggested. Hopefully, Monday I will start calling the suppliers to get some parts. Other than mechanical repairs on my cars and minor body work, I have never tried something like this before. I'm gonna give it a shot! 

My engine number is: R209900. Some other things I found were that the car seems to have been blue originally. Also, someone cut holes in the back and added 2 tail lights. I also found an extra dash in the car that seems to belong to a different model and an old radio that has vacuum tubes but doesn't look like the correct one fore the car. I have added pics for anyone interested.

Raymond


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Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Raymond
 
Edited

I took everybody's advice and joined the club. Today was spent cleaning out the whole car and removing the steering column and some bolts holding the body. I' going to order some manuals to assist me as was suggested. Hopefully, Monday I will start calling the suppliers to get some parts. Other than mechanical repairs on my cars and minor body work, I have never tried something like this before. I'm gonna give it a shot! 

My engine number is: R209900. Some other things I found were that the car seems to have been blue originally. Also, someone cut holes in the back and added 2 tail lights. I also found an extra dash in the car that seems to belong to a different model and an old radio that has vacuum tubes but doesn't look like the correct one for the car. I have added pics for anyone interested.

Raymond


Re: 1950 SCCA Watkins Glen Grand Prix

Steve Perry
 

That was a great old racing film. Thanks for sharing..
Steve


On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Jim Bollman <Jim@...> wrote:

Interesting vintage 16mm film. If you start watching around 5 minutes you will see a wreck stopping the race. As they clear cars out of the way you can see a Hotshot with custom doors pulling away. It may show up other places in the video but I didn't see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=467&v=4uXhjM1cr6I&feature=emb_logo


1950 SCCA Watkins Glen Grand Prix

Jim Bollman
 

Interesting vintage 16mm film. If you start watching around 5 minutes you will see a wreck stopping the race. As they clear cars out of the way you can see a Hotshot with custom doors pulling away. It may show up other places in the video but I didn't see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=467&v=4uXhjM1cr6I&feature=emb_logo


Re: Crankshaft install

nobadrivers
 

Great idea with the minor rebuilds for peace of mind keeps clearances in check!  This is my first Crosley engine I have had apart.  A little different than what I am used to but all of the principles the same!

 

From: Crosley-Gang@groups.io [mailto:Crosley-Gang@groups.io] On Behalf Of David via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:22 PM
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Crankshaft install

 

I keep a small bottle of white nail polish in my workshop (has a built-in brush).  Each time I assemble/reassemble an engine, I find TDC and mark it on the crank pully (after first removing the old mark).  I do a minor rebuild after each season of racing (main and rod bearings replaced), so barring some disaster, my engines get torn down at least once a year.  It has been a few years since I blew an engine, so I have managed to avoid disasters by learning what breaks in race-prepared engines—fingers crossed.

 

David

 

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From: nobadrivers
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 10:09 AM
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Crankshaft install

 

I didn't have a mark on the crankshaft pulley like Dave showed in his picture.  So I got number one cylinder to TDC and timing mark on flywheel visible in the timing mark window on the bell housing.  I then lined up the camshaft gear two dots with the one dot on the camshaft drive gear for my valve timing.  For static ignition timing I positioned the distributor for the ignition points just about to open (points opening fires ignition coil) and rotor pointing towards #1 cylinder distributor cap tower.  So preliminary static timing will be at 0 degrees when engine starts.  From there I can set the timing with a timing light. 

 


Re: Crankshaft install

David
 

I keep a small bottle of white nail polish in my workshop (has a built-in brush).  Each time I assemble/reassemble an engine, I find TDC and mark it on the crank pully (after first removing the old mark).  I do a minor rebuild after each season of racing (main and rod bearings replaced), so barring some disaster, my engines get torn down at least once a year.  It has been a few years since I blew an engine, so I have managed to avoid disasters by learning what breaks in race-prepared engines—fingers crossed.

 

David

 

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From: nobadrivers
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 10:09 AM
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] Crankshaft install

 

I didn't have a mark on the crankshaft pulley like Dave showed in his picture.  So I got number one cylinder to TDC and timing mark on flywheel visible in the timing mark window on the bell housing.  I then lined up the camshaft gear two dots with the one dot on the camshaft drive gear for my valve timing.  For static ignition timing I positioned the distributor for the ignition points just about to open (points opening fires ignition coil) and rotor pointing towards #1 cylinder distributor cap tower.  So preliminary static timing will be at 0 degrees when engine starts.  From there I can set the timing with a timing light. 

 


Re: Crankshaft install

nobadrivers
 

I didn't have a mark on the crankshaft pulley like Dave showed in his picture.  So I got number one cylinder to TDC and timing mark on flywheel visible in the timing mark window on the bell housing.  I then lined up the camshaft gear two dots with the one dot on the camshaft drive gear for my valve timing.  For static ignition timing I positioned the distributor for the ignition points just about to open (points opening fires ignition coil) and rotor pointing towards #1 cylinder distributor cap tower.  So preliminary static timing will be at 0 degrees when engine starts.  From there I can set the timing with a timing light. 


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Jim Bollman
 

Here is the link to our vendors http://crosleyautoclub.com/PartsSuppliers.html it is at the bottom of every Crosley-Gang message that goes out along with a couple of other useful links.

Your sedan looks very savable, if you're not up to the task I'm sure you can finds someone that is and you could look for something less challenging. Any Crosley from the salt belt will be missing the floors and possibly the rockers, as several have said, those items can be bought or fabricated. 

The engine with the chain appears to be a military generator engine. Someone apparently added the chain, the mag is normally driven with a cogged belt that is available from Service Motors. Service & Yankee Crosley both have reprints of the Service Manual, you should order one if your planning on tearing into the engines. I think the other engine is a ThermoKing unit used on refrigeration trucks. The engine serial number is to the rear of the distributor on the side of the crankcase, that will let us roughly date the engine. Your car would have originally had a CoBra sheet metal block engine, but most of these were updated to cast iron blocks when they became available in 1949. The CoBra block tended to corrode/rust and leak if they were not carefully taken care of. Your installed engine has a cast iron block but may be on an early or original crankcase. http://crosleyautoclub.com/EngineTree/Crosley_Eng_Tree.html

Hope this helps, feel free to ask more questions as you think of them.

Jim...


On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Raymond via groups.io <raymondjbz@...> wrote:

Hello

I recently bought a 1946 crosley (cc46-2350) that 's in rough shape. It came with an engine in the car and 2 extra engines that are slightly different. One appears to be part of a generator and the other I'm not sure about but it has a hand crank and chain. My intent was to have some fun with the engines but I am wondering if the car can be restored. It has rust holes through the floor and the rocker panels are completely destroyed. 

Does anyone make replacement rocker panels for these cars? Is there a list of parts suppliers? It's missing a multitude of parts and all the wiring is destroyed. Any info you guys can give me about this car will help me decide if I should try restoring it. Also, How do I know if the engine in the car is the original? 

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Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Kenn Cahill
 

Bad floors and bad rocker panels are ubiquitous with Crosley’s.
Both patch panels and complete floors are available from a couple of sources. So are rocker panels. So are wiring harnesses One advantage you have if you want to restore this 1946 sedan is that this model was very basic, so there is not a whole lot in the way of accessories that need to be located. Joining the Crosley Automobile Club will be extremelybhelpful. All of the vendors are listed on the website. Many of us are willing to share our knowledge(or lack thereof!)
Welcome!


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Spock Arnold
 

Raymond
       I have seen some pretty rough cars restored.   I guess it depends on your desire to restore one.  Floors and rockers are available through our vendors as are wiring harnesses although you can wire one yourself.  Vendor contacts are on the club web page .  
        I would make one other suggestion and that is to join the Crosley auto club, come to the national meet and bring the car.  You won't regret it.
   Dave Anspach 


On Apr 2, 2020 9:32 AM, "Raymond via groups.io" <raymondjbz@...> wrote:
Hello

I recently bought a 1946 crosley (cc46-2350) that 's in rough shape. It came with an engine in the car and 2 extra engines that are slightly different. One appears to be part of a generator and the other I'm not sure about but it has a hand crank and chain. My intent was to have some fun with the engines but I am wondering if the car can be restored. It has rust holes through the floor and the rocker panels are completely destroyed. 

Does anyone make replacement rocker panels for these cars? Is there a list of parts suppliers? It's missing a multitude of parts and all the wiring is destroyed. Any info you guys can give me about this car will help me decide if I should try restoring it. Also, How do I know if the engine in the car is the original? 

Ray


Re: What to do with my 1946 crosley?

crosleyshortsport
 

Ray,   Go to the crosleyautoclub.com website and you will find all of our fine suppliers. I do know that Ted from Yankee Crosley Parts makes the new rocker panels. Here is his number.


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 9:37 AM Raymond via groups.io <raymondjbz=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello

I recently bought a 1946 crosley (cc46-2350) that 's in rough shape. It came with an engine in the car and 2 extra engines that are slightly different. One appears to be part of a generator and the other I'm not sure about but it has a hand crank and chain. My intent was to have some fun with the engines but I am wondering if the car can be restored. It has rust holes through the floor and the rocker panels are completely destroyed. 

Does anyone make replacement rocker panels for these cars? Is there a list of parts suppliers? It's missing a multitude of parts and all the wiring is destroyed. Any info you guys can give me about this car will help me decide if I should try restoring it. Also, How do I know if the engine in the car is the original? 

Ray


What to do with my 1946 crosley?

Raymond
 

Hello

I recently bought a 1946 crosley (cc46-2350) that 's in rough shape. It came with an engine in the car and 2 extra engines that are slightly different. One appears to be part of a generator and the other I'm not sure about but it has a hand crank and chain. My intent was to have some fun with the engines but I am wondering if the car can be restored. It has rust holes through the floor and the rocker panels are completely destroyed. 

Does anyone make replacement rocker panels for these cars? Is there a list of parts suppliers? It's missing a multitude of parts and all the wiring is destroyed. Any info you guys can give me about this car will help me decide if I should try restoring it. Also, How do I know if the engine in the car is the original? 

Ray