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Re: Where else to find a Crosley's VIN

Richard Williams
 

your 47 has round front fenders. the 49 has square front fenders. Rich W

On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 02:44:47 PM PDT, christopher cochrane via groups.io <pisarunner@...> wrote:


How about a pic?

On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:22 PM, John Schneiderman <john-schneiderman@...> wrote:

Where else can one find the vehicle's VIN/Serial number, other than the serial number plate found in the upper center of the engines firewall?
My 1947 Crosley Sedan, has a remanufacturers plate  C47205441, which is also on the vehicle's title.  But it has a CIBA engine, not a CoBRA, it has white wheels, not the Chinese Red..
So I'm wondering if it is a 1949 instead. Would love to know the original serial number


Re: Where else to find a Crosley's VIN

christopher cochrane
 

How about a pic?

On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:22 PM, John Schneiderman <john-schneiderman@...> wrote:

Where else can one find the vehicle's VIN/Serial number, other than the serial number plate found in the upper center of the engines firewall?
My 1947 Crosley Sedan, has a remanufacturers plate  C47205441, which is also on the vehicle's title.  But it has a CIBA engine, not a CoBRA, it has white wheels, not the Chinese Red..
So I'm wondering if it is a 1949 instead. Would love to know the original serial number


Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

dave p
 

most likely, the points are oxidized.  File ( or sand paper) them.  Coils don't usually go bad just sitting. disconnect the coil wire at the distributor,  and use a test light to see if they are opening and closing the current flow correctly

         Dave at OldSchool Restorations of North Alabama


Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

L.E. Hardee
 

When I go to start a points car that has been sitting, it is a given that the points have a film preventing them from making contact.  I just pop the distributor cap and the rotor to gain access to the points.  I then rotate the engine until the points are fully closed.  With the ignition switch on, using a screwdriver I open and shut the points without grounding the points.  If I get a good spark pop across the points, then I know I have fire at the plugs.  If not, which is usually the case, I first check the ignition circuit by grounding the points to the distributor.  If I get a spark then, I know the ignition wiring is okay but the points have a glaze coating.  With the switch still on, I use the screwdriver to rub the points against one another until I start seeing sparks when the film is rubbed off.  I open an shut the points a few times to be sure I have a strong blue spark.  Put the rotor and cap back on and start the engine.

An old mechanic told me 55 years ago when I was a teenager to never use a points file.  The tungsten points are harder than the steel file.   Steel from the file embed in the points and will cause them to fail prematurely.  Rubbing the points against each other removes the film just as well and no steel bits are transferred.  I have used this technique almost a thousand times over the years and it has always worked.


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:35 PM nobadrivers <scanner2@...> wrote:
If you had a condenser laying around you could try it to see if you get spark. It should still work.  It would just be the wrong capacitance or won't have the correct mounting bracket but you are just trying it checking for spark for now.  if it won't bolt onto the distributor just ground the outside of it with a jumper wire or something for now just to check for spark. 


Re: Where else to find a Crosley's VIN

Jim Bollman
 

Some have the Serial Number on the frame rail behind the front passenger wheel. Again not a lot of them and it is very faint when you find one.

On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Spock Arnold via groups.io <tmkldwwj@...> wrote:

John
   What is the body style cc or cd? There have been a number of cars sold through the years that have had other Vin placed on them.  There was a whole group sold in the recent past at a reputable auction that every one of them had incorrect vin.  Some have a vin on the front cross member but I've only seen it a couple times.  It your title matches the vin, I wouldn't get too worried.  

On Apr 5, 2020 4:22 PM, John Schneiderman <john-schneiderman@...> wrote:
Where else can one find the vehicle's VIN/Serial number, other than the serial number plate found in the upper center of the engines firewall?
My 1947 Crosley Sedan, has a remanufacturers plate  C47205441, which is also on the vehicle's title.  But it has a CIBA engine, not a CoBRA, it has white wheels, not the Chinese Red..
So I'm wondering if it is a 1949 instead. Would love to know the original serial number



Re: Where else to find a Crosley's VIN

Spock Arnold
 

John
   What is the body style cc or cd? There have been a number of cars sold through the years that have had other Vin placed on them.  There was a whole group sold in the recent past at a reputable auction that every one of them had incorrect vin.  Some have a vin on the front cross member but I've only seen it a couple times.  It your title matches the vin, I wouldn't get too worried.  

On Apr 5, 2020 4:22 PM, John Schneiderman <john-schneiderman@...> wrote:
Where else can one find the vehicle's VIN/Serial number, other than the serial number plate found in the upper center of the engines firewall?
My 1947 Crosley Sedan, has a remanufacturers plate  C47205441, which is also on the vehicle's title.  But it has a CIBA engine, not a CoBRA, it has white wheels, not the Chinese Red..
So I'm wondering if it is a 1949 instead. Would love to know the original serial number


Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

nobadrivers
 

If you had a condenser laying around you could try it to see if you get spark. It should still work.  It would just be the wrong capacitance or won't have the correct mounting bracket but you are just trying it checking for spark for now.  if it won't bolt onto the distributor just ground the outside of it with a jumper wire or something for now just to check for spark. 


Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

Jim Bollman
 

Be careful with the new condenser, many of the new ones have thinner mounting tabs and the original screw that holds it will go in an extra thread and can hit the rotating advance weights in the the distributor. If you're lucky it only twists the distributor around, unlucky and it can break a tooth in the bottom end or bend the shaft.

On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:59 PM, HeBme2 via groups.io <HeBme2@...> wrote:

I cleaned the points, installed a new coil and still no spark.  I was going to change the condenser but the auto parts store did not have the correct type.  I will buy a condenser Monday and hopefully that's it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
To: Crosley-Gang <Crosley-Gang@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] 51 Pick-up no spark

You say the points are good. Do they just look good or did you file them? After a fhey years some times the points get a coating on them, they look good but they don't work unless you file the coating off.

On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:39 AM, HeBme2 via groups.io <HeBme2@...> wrote:

My Crosley has been in storage for 3 years.  I tried starting it but have no spark.  I cleaned up the connections, points are good but still no spark.  I am thinking it may be the coil.  Any thoughts?  Once I get it running I will be putting it up for sale.  Thanks  Jamie



Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

nobadrivers
 

Correct, that's why I mentioned to check for voltage on the primary negative side of the coil.  On a negative ground system you would be checking the positive primary wire on the coil.  That gets fed from the ignition switch which supplies voltage to the coil.  If no voltage there with the key on you can replace everything under the hood and you will still have no spark. 


Where else to find a Crosley's VIN

John Schneiderman <john-schneiderman@...>
 

Where else can one find the vehicle's VIN/Serial number, other than the serial number plate found in the upper center of the engines firewall?
My 1947 Crosley Sedan, has a remanufacturers plate  C47205441, which is also on the vehicle's title.  But it has a CIBA engine, not a CoBRA, it has white wheels, not the Chinese Red..
So I'm wondering if it is a 1949 instead. Would love to know the original serial number


Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

Richard Williams
 

THE CROSLEYS ARE A POSITIVE GROUND.

On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 12:59:09 PM PDT, HeBme2 via groups.io <hebme2@...> wrote:


I cleaned the points, installed a new coil and still no spark.  I was going to change the condenser but the auto parts store did not have the correct type.  I will buy a condenser Monday and hopefully that's it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
To: Crosley-Gang <Crosley-Gang@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] 51 Pick-up no spark

You say the points are good. Do they just look good or did you file them? After a fhey years some times the points get a coating on them, they look good but they don't work unless you file the coating off.

On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:39 AM, HeBme2 via groups.io <HeBme2@...> wrote:

My Crosley has been in storage for 3 years.  I tried starting it but have no spark.  I cleaned up the connections, points are good but still no spark.  I am thinking it may be the coil.  Any thoughts?  Once I get it running I will be putting it up for sale.  Thanks  Jamie


Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

HeBme2@...
 

I cleaned the points, installed a new coil and still no spark.  I was going to change the condenser but the auto parts store did not have the correct type.  I will buy a condenser Monday and hopefully that's it.

Jamie


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bollman <Jim@...>
To: Crosley-Gang <Crosley-Gang@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2020 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] 51 Pick-up no spark

You say the points are good. Do they just look good or did you file them? After a fhey years some times the points get a coating on them, they look good but they don't work unless you file the coating off.

On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:39 AM, HeBme2 via groups.io <HeBme2@...> wrote:

My Crosley has been in storage for 3 years.  I tried starting it but have no spark.  I cleaned up the connections, points are good but still no spark.  I am thinking it may be the coil.  Any thoughts?  Once I get it running I will be putting it up for sale.  Thanks  Jamie


Re: Identify parts

Steve Perry
 

Got it..
Thank you
One of these wiper motors is apart in a bag and the other still intact. Is there someone who repairs/rebuilds these old vacuum units?
Steve


On Apr 5, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Spock Arnold via groups.io <tmkldwwj@...> wrote:


Goes to a metal y that has feeds to both wipers. 

On Apr 5, 2020 1:54 PM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:
Steve, it does go to the wipers. My sedan has it split but, can't tell how its hooked up in the SS.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:10 PM Steve Perry <sperryfish@...> wrote:

Gabriel,
I can see a hose coming through the firewall that attaches to the port on the top of the intake manifold (maybe vacuum). Do you know what that attaches to under the dash. Wipers?

Thanks,
Steve



Re: Identify parts

Spock Arnold
 

Goes to a metal y that has feeds to both wipers. 

On Apr 5, 2020 1:54 PM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:
Steve, it does go to the wipers. My sedan has it split but, can't tell how its hooked up in the SS.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:10 PM Steve Perry <sperryfish@...> wrote:

Gabriel,
I can see a hose coming through the firewall that attaches to the port on the top of the intake manifold (maybe vacuum). Do you know what that attaches to under the dash. Wipers?

Thanks,
Steve



Re: Identify parts

Jim Bollman
 

There is normally a Y connector under the dash to feed both wipers from the one hose going through the dash.

On Apr 5, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:

Steve, it does go to the wipers. My sedan has it split but, can't tell how its hooked up in the SS.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:10 PM Steve Perry <sperryfish@...> wrote:

Gabriel,
I can see a hose coming through the firewall that attaches to the port on the top of the intake manifold (maybe vacuum). Do you know what that attaches to under the dash. Wipers?

Thanks,
Steve





Re: 51 Pick-up no spark

nobadrivers
 

Where did you check for spark at the coil secondary wire where it goes into the center of cap or at the spark plug wires where they push onto the plugs?  I would first check for spark at the coil secondary wire.  If no spark there then check to see if you have voltage to the negative side of the ignition coil primary wire connection with the ignition switch in the on position. Check using a test light or volt voltmeter. If no voltage there then the problem is from the ignition switch or wiring to or from the ignition switch.  If you do have voltage at the negative terminal then check the positive terminal of the coil with a test light while cranking the engine the light should flash on and off signaling the points are opening and closing. If that is ok then that tells you the points are working correctly and the coil is not making and breaking the primary circuit to produce the spark. If the test light was not flashing on and off then the problem could be in the points, condenser or the distributor is not turning. 


Re: Identify parts

Gabriel Haddad
 

Steve, it does go to the wipers. My sedan has it split but, can't tell how its hooked up in the SS.


On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 1:10 PM Steve Perry <sperryfish@...> wrote:

Gabriel,
I can see a hose coming through the firewall that attaches to the port on the top of the intake manifold (maybe vacuum). Do you know what that attaches to under the dash. Wipers?

Thanks,
Steve


Re: Identify parts

Spock Arnold
 

Rod appears to be radiator support rod.  
Bracket is the attachment point for brake and clutch pedal return springs.

On Apr 5, 2020 12:08 PM, Steve Perry <sperryfish@...> wrote:
A couple more things..
A photo shows a steel rod with threads on each end. It’s approximately 23 1/2” Length.
Second photo shows a bracket mount on the frame just under the steering box, what goes there?
Thanks...
Steve


Re: Identify parts

Steve Perry
 

Gabriel,
I can see a hose coming through the firewall that attaches to the port on the top of the intake manifold (maybe vacuum). Do you know what that attaches to under the dash. Wipers?

Thanks,
Steve


Re: Identify parts

Steve Perry
 

Thanks so much..
I am about ready to put the engine back in and didn’t want to leave something out where the engine would be in my way..
I really appreciate the photos.
Steve


On Apr 5, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:


The threaded rod is your radiator support. Attaches from the firewall to the radiator bracket. 
The bracket on the frame is for pedal assembly springs.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, 12:08 PM Steve Perry <sperryfish@...> wrote:
A couple more things..
A photo shows a steel rod with threads on each end. It’s approximately 23 1/2” Length.
Second photo shows a bracket mount on the frame just under the steering box, what goes there?
Thanks...
Steve

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