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Farm O Road values

Pat Curran
 
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I’m trying to help a friend establish a value on a 1952 Farm O Road. It was professionally restored many years ago and won an AACA First prize and remains in e excellent condition.  Also included with it are many of the attachments (plow, rake, etc). It has top bows, however the top is not original.  Green with tan interior, dual rear wheels.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Although not for sale at moment, it will be in near future, thanks Pat

Re: Auction: Crosley Hot Shot & CD Sedan - Iowa 7/17

Butch
 

I've seen both of these cars, they are BEAUTIFUL!

Butch

On 7/12/2019 10:56 PM, Jim Bollman wrote:

My name Larry Treinen Owner/Auctioneer at Latimer Auction in Latimer, IA. I believe Don Bancroft was a member of your Club in the past. As Dan has passed away and I have been hired to sell his Estate, which includes two Crosley vehicles Also some other Crosley items as well.

Auction OnLine and live bidding Wed. July 17th at 6:00 pm. The website is??latimerauction.com??with bidding online at??latimerauction.hibid.com.


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Re: Farm O Road values

crosleyshortsport
 

Pat,  You will most likely see several opinions on value of the FarmOroad. As you msy know, they are quite scarce compared to all the other Crosley models. I recommend many photos when it is ready to sell, slong with location and good contact information. I have seen a restorable condition FarmOroad sell for 8500. It sounds like this one is in very nice condition. And the implements are a plus. From your brief description, And without photos, I would guess at a range of 10 - 15 thousand. I also base this range on the fact that I own a restored FarmOroad and have it valued snd insured at 15000. I have no intention of selling mine and will pass it along to my children who also love it and drive it.     Jeffrey Ackerman
Vice President,
Crosley Automobile Club


On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 4:32 PM Pat Curran <racin@...> wrote:

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I’m trying to help a friend establish a value on a 1952 Farm O Road. It was professionally restored many years ago and won an AACA First prize and remains in e excellent condition.  Also included with it are many of the attachments (plow, rake, etc). It has top bows, however the top is not original.  Green with tan interior, dual rear wheels.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Although not for sale at moment, it will be in near future, thanks Pat

Re: What not to do…or…the exploding oil filter.

crosleyshortsport
 

Thank you for sharing. Good one to remember. Ted is the best.


On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 1:06 PM James Hudson <jamespart7@...> wrote:

As a new Crosley owner and being one of those who likes to work on old cars (I also have a Model T Ford), I decided to change the oil on my ’52 SW. I could have checked the Crosley Forum for prior posts on this topic. I could have posted my own inquiry. I could have called the previous owner who has been available to give me tips on taking care of the car. I could have called one of the other Crosley People who have been so gracious with their time to give me advice on servicing this wonderful manifestation of Powel Crosley’s genius. But no, say I, what could be simpler than an oil change! I decided to grab one of the filters that I found in the box of stuff the car came with and without a further thought, spun it on, filled it up and gave the car a whirl. Oil filters make a very curious noise when they explode-difficult to describe. A picture is worth a thousand words.  Too late did I discovery yet another Crosley quirk-the oil runs in the opposite direction than most modern cars so the anti-drain back valve works as a seal

 Fortunately the engine ran for only a few seconds (it was never under load) and there appears to be no damage. A call to Ted DellaCamera and a new –correct –filter was installed. I’m back on the road thanks to Ted and hopefully, on to Wauseon next year for the 51st gathering.   To other Crosley newbies-this car is full of surprises! It’s still the most fun car I’ve ever owned, and the Club is second to none. Once again, Thank you Ted!

Re: What not to do…or…the exploding oil filter.

Jim Bollman
 

You're lucky the oil filter blew and you shut down, some have made that mistake and it didn't blow and they burned out the back mains.

On Jul 14, 2019, at 1:06 PM, James Hudson <jamespart7@...> wrote:

As a new Crosley owner and being one of those who likes to work on old cars (I also have a Model T Ford), I decided to change the oil on my ’52 SW. I could have checked the Crosley Forum for prior posts on this topic. I could have posted my own inquiry. I could have called the previous owner who has been available to give me tips on taking care of the car. I could have called one of the other Crosley People who have been so gracious with their time to give me advice on servicing this wonderful manifestation of Powel Crosley’s genius. But no, say I, what could be simpler than an oil change! I decided to grab one of the filters that I found in the box of stuff the car came with and without a further thought, spun it on, filled it up and gave the car a whirl. Oil filters make a very curious noise when they explode-difficult to describe. A picture is worth a thousand words.  Too late did I discovery yet another Crosley quirk-the oil runs in the opposite direction than most modern cars so the anti-drain back valve works as a seal
 Fortunately the engine ran for only a few seconds (it was never under load) and there appears to be no damage. A call to Ted DellaCamera and a new –correct –filter was installed. I’m back on the road thanks to Ted and hopefully, on to Wauseon next year for the 51st gathering.   To other Crosley newbies-this car is full of surprises! It’s still the most fun car I’ve ever owned, and the Club is second to none. Once again, Thank you Ted!
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Re: Auction: Crosley Hot Shot & CD Sedan - Iowa 7/17

Jim Bollman
 

Here are the pictures of the two cars up for auction, I didn't have the bandwidth to upload while at the Nationals.



On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Butch via Groups.Io <butch46988@...> wrote:

I've seen both of these cars, they are BEAUTIFUL!

Butch

On 7/12/2019 10:56 PM, Jim Bollman wrote:

My name Larry Treinen Owner/Auctioneer at Latimer Auction in Latimer, IA. I believe Don Bancroft was a member of your Club in the past. As Dan has passed away and I have been hired to sell his Estate, which includes two Crosley vehicles Also some other Crosley items as well.

Auction OnLine and live bidding Wed. July 17th at 6:00 pm. The website is??latimerauction.com??with bidding online at??latimerauction.hibid.com.


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Re: What not to do…or…the exploding oil filter.

James Hudson
 

You're absolutely right Jim. It's a Homelite 55 conversion and the previous owner put a great deal of work into it which would be a shame to see ruined. I'm used to mysterious noises on old cars so I was pondering the meaning of the strange "whumpf" noise from under the car when I noticed that the oil pressure gauge wasn't moving and shut it right down! It was running for perhaps 30 seconds.  It dumped so much oil on the lawn that when my son and I were pushing it back into the barn we slipped and fell on the grass like something  straight out of Laurel and Hardy. I'm glad I don't have a picture of that to post.

Re: Starting Problems in Morning

dale@servicemotors.net
 

Hey Don,
Its great that the electric pump helped your problem.  Here is where I disagree with installing a electric pump.  When the crosley was produced they started and ran just fine, if they didn't they would have had a lot of complaints.

Lets look at the underlying issue.  If the car has been sitting for a long time any old car with a carburetor its going to either leak out (which is an issue) or its going to evaporate out.  Either way its going to a few seconds for the mechanical fuel pump to fill the carb back up, as long as the fuel pump bowl gasket has not dried out and is sucking air which is a common issue if the car sits a lot.

This is why i start my car every two weeks to keep the fuel moving and to keep the gaskets from drying out.

I have NEVER had my crosley car boil the gas out of the carb after the car has been run for any length of time, hot starts have not been a problem.  The underlying issue there most of the time the float is too low and not adjusted correctly.
I have seen a lot of other underlying issues which would cause a hot start issue such as a starter bendix issue.  We have all hear the crosley grind and kick outs.
On the Carter WO make sure your accelerator pump is working properly, this too will make it hard to start. 

Just my to cents.


On Jul 14, 2019, at 10:52 AM, PATRICIA GRITTI <donald-gritti@...> wrote:

Big improvement. Installed a 2-4 pound electric fuel pump yesterday. The engine cranked a little then caught & ran.
Butch, thank you for sharing your knowledge of Crosleys.
Don Gritti

On July 2, 2019 at 8:21 PM "Butch via Groups.Io" <butch46988@...> wrote:

Don,

A couple of issues going on; 1, Crosleys are well known for the carbs going dry (both heat boiling the fuel out and leaking it out) when sitting for a period of time. If it's an extended period, often the fuel pumps seem to lose prime if the valves are good, I don't see how this happens, except the fuel boiling out due to its proximity to the exhaust manifold. This causes excessive cranking to bring fuel up from the tank and into the carb.

Starting fluid or a quick dump from a gas bottle (my personal choice) takes care of that and the faster speed of running vs cranking, gets it done MUCH faster.

2, Your choke should close COMPLETELY, with the knob pulled all of the way out. It's a quick adjustment to get it to do so.

The comment of "no gas smell", reassures me of the empty carb bowl.

A quick GOOD solution i, install an electric pump, back by the tank. It can either just have a button, for priming or can run full time, even to the point of replacing the mechanical pump.

Butch

On 7/2/2019 7:50 PM, PATRICIA GRITTI wrote:
Hi Butch
Thank you for jumping in.
The carb is a Carter WO, the one listed in the Crosley shop manual. The engine cranks a long time with no activity. Notice there is no smell of gas after the engine is cranked. When the choke is closed there is 1/8" opening between the choke and the carb wall. After the engine starts by using starting fluid it runs & idles fine.
Don
On July 2, 2019 at 7:02 PM "Butch via Groups.Io" < butch46988@...> wrote:



Howdy Bud,

Please, better define you starting problems

Long cranking, without firing? Will fire, but not keep running? Will try
to run, but dies when you release the starter?

Also, what carburetor have you got, Carter or Tillotson?

More information, please.

Butch


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Available and parts 1947 both

Donna Bomia
 

Re: Available and parts 1947 both

Donna Bomia
 

Asking $7000 for both 1947 Crosley's and lot's of parts.
Located in LaSalle Michigan.
Call Donna.  (734) 819-7463.

Will split up.  OBO
TY

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:36 PM Donna Bomia via Groups.Io <bomiadonna9=gmail.com@groups.io wrote:

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Mike S
 

Donna, will either of them run & stop?  What condition is the interiors in?

Re: Available and parts 1947 both

christopher cochrane
 

Location? Price? Would love more pics also

On Jul 15, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Donna Bomia <bomiadonna9@...> wrote:

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Re: Available and parts 1947 both

christopher cochrane
 

Sorry just saw this post

On Jul 15, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Donna Bomia <bomiadonna9@...> wrote:

Asking $7000 for both 1947 Crosley's and lot's of parts.
Located in LaSalle Michigan.
Call Donna.  (734) 819-7463.

Will split up.  OBO
TY

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 12:36 PM Donna Bomia via Groups.Io <bomiadonna9=gmail.com@groups.io wrote:

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Re: Starting Problems in Morning

Paula W
 

This is really helpful information. Thank you. - Paula

On ‎Monday‎, ‎July‎ ‎15‎, ‎2019‎ ‎04‎:‎43‎:‎16‎ ‎AM‎ ‎PDT, dale@... <Dale@...> wrote:


Hey Don,
Its great that the electric pump helped your problem.  Here is where I disagree with installing a electric pump.  When the crosley was produced they started and ran just fine, if they didn't they would have had a lot of complaints.

Lets look at the underlying issue.  If the car has been sitting for a long time any old car with a carburetor its going to either leak out (which is an issue) or its going to evaporate out.  Either way its going to a few seconds for the mechanical fuel pump to fill the carb back up, as long as the fuel pump bowl gasket has not dried out and is sucking air which is a common issue if the car sits a lot.

This is why i start my car every two weeks to keep the fuel moving and to keep the gaskets from drying out.

I have NEVER had my crosley car boil the gas out of the carb after the car has been run for any length of time, hot starts have not been a problem.  The underlying issue there most of the time the float is too low and not adjusted correctly.
I have seen a lot of other underlying issues which would cause a hot start issue such as a starter bendix issue.  We have all hear the crosley grind and kick outs.
On the Carter WO make sure your accelerator pump is working properly, this too will make it hard to start. 

Just my to cents.


On Jul 14, 2019, at 10:52 AM, PATRICIA GRITTI <donald-gritti@...> wrote:

Big improvement. Installed a 2-4 pound electric fuel pump yesterday. The engine cranked a little then caught & ran.
Butch, thank you for sharing your knowledge of Crosleys.
Don Gritti

On July 2, 2019 at 8:21 PM "Butch via Groups.Io" <butch46988@...> wrote:

Don,

A couple of issues going on; 1, Crosleys are well known for the carbs going dry (both heat boiling the fuel out and leaking it out) when sitting for a period of time. If it's an extended period, often the fuel pumps seem to lose prime if the valves are good, I don't see how this happens, except the fuel boiling out due to its proximity to the exhaust manifold. This causes excessive cranking to bring fuel up from the tank and into the carb.

Starting fluid or a quick dump from a gas bottle (my personal choice) takes care of that and the faster speed of running vs cranking, gets it done MUCH faster.

2, Your choke should close COMPLETELY, with the knob pulled all of the way out. It's a quick adjustment to get it to do so.

The comment of "no gas smell", reassures me of the empty carb bowl.

A quick GOOD solution i, install an electric pump, back by the tank. It can either just have a button, for priming or can run full time, even to the point of replacing the mechanical pump.

Butch

On 7/2/2019 7:50 PM, PATRICIA GRITTI wrote:
Hi Butch
Thank you for jumping in.
The carb is a Carter WO, the one listed in the Crosley shop manual. The engine cranks a long time with no activity. Notice there is no smell of gas after the engine is cranked. When the choke is closed there is 1/8" opening between the choke and the carb wall. After the engine starts by using starting fluid it runs & idles fine.
Don
On July 2, 2019 at 7:02 PM "Butch via Groups.Io" < butch46988@...> wrote:



Howdy Bud,

Please, better define you starting problems

Long cranking, without firing? Will fire, but not keep running? Will try
to run, but dies when you release the starter?

Also, what carburetor have you got, Carter or Tillotson?

More information, please.

Butch


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Startup Timing - maintenance and pre-drive

Paula W
 

The recent thread on startup problems surfaced a question for me.

To help maintain a running Crosley (mine is an early 47 sedan that I can take around the neighborhood), how long should we run the motor under the following two situations. Assume ambient temperatures around 75-85 degrees.

1) for the periodic garage start to just to circulate fluids. (The car remains parked.)

2) for the warmup period before you take off on a drive.

Thank you. - Paula

Re: Startup Timing - maintenance and pre-drive

Saltsgaver, Mike
 

For #1, I usually run the engine long enough that the tail pipe gets warm.  This seems to be long enough to get the moisture out of the muffler so it doesn’t rust out prematurely.

 

For #2, I usually take right off after the car runs.  Mine likes full choke to catch (initially start), half choke & running for about 10 seconds, then push the choke in & take off.  Mine has the Tilliston carb.



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Don Pitchford
 

Greetings,
I'm Don, from Illinois. Crosley club member 3003. Sorry I couldn't join everyone in Ohio last weekend but the workload didn't allow. I did however take my wife to lunch in my '48 wagon; had trouble starting it after it sat for 45 minutes; answered a lot of questions about it from curious onlookers; made it home without having to get a trailer. So, all is normal.
Don Pitchford

Re: I just subscribed to group

crosleyshortsport
 

Don,  Glad you are out using the Crosley and having fun. Make plans now for the 2020 national meet, July 6 - 12th. Fulton County Fairgrounds, Wauseon, Ohio


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 8:12 PM Don Pitchford via Groups.Io <w9ebk=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Greetings,
I'm Don, from Illinois. Crosley club member 3003. Sorry I couldn't join everyone in Ohio last weekend but the workload didn't allow. I did however take my wife to lunch in my '48 wagon; had trouble starting it after it sat for 45 minutes; answered a lot of questions about it from curious onlookers; made it home without having to get a trailer. So, all is normal.
Don Pitchford

Re: Startup Timing - maintenance and pre-drive

Paula W
 

Thank you Mike.

For #1 (maintenance turnover) I had no idea at all.

For #2 (before a drive) I had been previously advised to get the engine of an old car to normal operating temperature before putting a load on it. When I first tried that I was standing in my driveway for close to 10 min watching the temperature gauge before I gave up and just started to driving. It didn't even move a quarter of the way to "N" before I gave up.

Re: Startup Timing - maintenance and pre-drive

dale@servicemotors.net
 

A good warm up period is the car gets up to operating temp.


On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:16 PM, Paula W <paula_whitney@...> wrote:

The recent thread on startup problems surfaced a question for me.

To help maintain a running Crosley (mine is an early 47 sedan that I can take around the neighborhood), how long should we run the motor under the following two situations. Assume ambient temperatures around 75-85 degrees.

1) for the periodic garage start to just to circulate fluids. (The car remains parked.)

2) for the warmup period before you take off on a drive.

Thank you. - Paula