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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 08:15:19 PM CDT, Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj@...> wrote:
Can we borrow it to make more?
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Jim Bollman
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i need an email to send you pictures. i don't know how to do it on the computer. and i sold the 53, the buyer got the deal of the year.
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If the Hotshot looks as good as the 53 Customline club coupe Google maps shows parked in front of your home, it should be really nice - see if you can post some pictures
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Jeremy Rutherford
Just thought I’d chime in, I bought a transmission from Tobby earlier this year and He was great to work with and the trans is beautiful, looked like NOS it is so nice, I’d bet the car is equally nice
On Sep 29, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Tobby Alvestad < talvestad@...> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
A very nice car, hard to find a better one, give me a call. $12,000 818-990-0590. this car is located in southern california, i don't know how to send pictures. my wife can probably do it if i had a email address.
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Well I just went in and did test again to see if it was right. One gear does NOT have a hole in it. I did line up punch marks. Will repeat pictures when I did it again. I only have one early cobra that I was in one time with straight cut gears long ago.
Robert
In a message dated 9/30/2018 6:36:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jim@... writes:
Robert sent me some pictures to post and gave me a little more info on the military versus standard tower shaft gear. Here is a summary of his eMail.
I had a can full of gears and was trying to degree in a warm cam not knowing what I was doing. I had a couple of military engines and Dad had a couple of Aero Jet engines. Middle of gauge tool on most seamed to be where look to be for standard engine . The two gears are different as shown.
I asked how much difference there was and he said 5 to 10 degrees.
Doesn't sounds like one tooth different. If there is 16 teeth on the tower shaft gear one tooth would be closer to 20 degrees. Any other idea how much the cam timing needs to be adjusted or should it just be swapped for a standard gear?
Here is 4 pictures of Robert's experiment. The first shows his jig, the second shows how the indicator goes in the gear, the third and forth show the difference in the two gears.
Robert if I messed up your explanation please jump in.
Jim...
That would definitely do it. Did this show up on a compression test?
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 7:33 PM A50CROSLEYTRK via Groups.Io <A50CROSLEYTRK= aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am no expert . The top tower shaft gear I could see were different in the location of the teeth to spline alignment. I made a gauge that would pin in the marked tooth and was bolted broken tower shaft to an iron bar. Then had marks on it . Most would aim in the middle and some would veer off one way or the other.
bye Robert
In a message dated 9/29/2018 4:10:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, hftsales@... writes:
Question to the military engine experts: On the engines with the retarded cam timing, were the cam timing gears marked one tooth off or were they standard parts just installed one tooth off?
Interesting
Like Butch, I was thinking about the valve timing. Military engines had the cams set so they could run all day long at 3000 rpm – offset by one tooth. Neil Daglow once told me about a wagon he had. He could never get it above 30 mph. Then he realized he had a military engine. Reset the camshaft and voila! The car ran great.
Jeff,
While you have the cam cover off, checking the valve clearances, double check the camshaft timing, more than just the marks lining up.
Piston one at TDC (double check the second flywheel mark, by using a screwdriver in the #1 cylinder spark plug hole), the camshaft lobes should be symmetrical across the "clock face".
This has all of the markings of slightly advanced camshaft timing.
Butch
On 9/28/2018 5:22 PM, crosleyshortsport wrote:
Ok guys, Been a good portion of the day trying to figure this out. Still have not found the problem. I tried a short fuel line directly off the fuel pump and into a bottle of fuel, still no high end power. I took the exhaust system off. Inspected the pipe from the manifold, and checked for any blockage. Installed the pipe without the muffler. Still no high end power. I really feel that my timing is dead on, as it starts with one touch, idles very well and revs at a standstill with no drag at all. I put another new condenser on just to be sure. I am pretty much out of ideas. Tomorrow afternoon I am going to pull the valve cover and check the valve clearances. Then I am going to pull a carb from another Crosley that I run all the time and install it on this engine. I am open to any ideas anyone may have.
No it would not affect the car sitting still while reving the engine. I can not tell you the exact technical aspects why but it only happens under load. As I mentioned, just went through this exact same thing with my wife's car and the cat converter breaking up and partially plugging the exhaust. The car ran seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just fell on it's face. It took us a bit of head scratching and testing to come up with something that was actually very simplistic.
Like I said...just because something is NEW means nothing. I recently was given a VW bus for FREE because the owner gave up on being able to make it run right. After about 10 minutes of inspecting I found a good sized hole under a cold weld on the brand new intake manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and the van would never get over 30 mph. I welded it shut and the van drove perfect. So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle could have slipped during assembly or some chip munks used the exhaust to hide acorns. Who knows...just thinking outside the box here. Seems you have exhausted (get the pun) every option but this one.
Keep us updated I would love to hear what happens.
BTW I think you mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the timing advance working on that distributor? I would check that too. No matter what was rebuilt I would STILL check it all out and not assume because it was rebuilt something is working properly.
Todd, I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine. I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow.
Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise. Thank you for contributing it. Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered . But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?
On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side. Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions. Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK". You need to check it.
Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down. All due to poor manufacturing quality. One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly. Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents. Even nice buildings have mice....
But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it. It could very possibly be the cause. That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem. It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.
On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:
Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?
Yes, A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.
Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.
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Jim Bollman
Robert sent me some pictures to post and gave me a little more info on the military versus standard tower shaft gear. Here is a summary of his eMail.
I had a can full of gears and was trying to degree in a warm cam not knowing what I was doing. I had a couple of military engines and Dad had a couple of Aero Jet engines. Middle of gauge tool on most seamed to be where look to be for standard engine . The two gears are different as shown.
I asked how much difference there was and he said 5 to 10 degrees.
Doesn't sounds like one tooth different. If there is 16 teeth on the tower shaft gear one tooth would be closer to 20 degrees. Any other idea how much the cam timing needs to be adjusted or should it just be swapped for a standard gear?
Here is 4 pictures of Robert's experiment. The first shows his jig, the second shows how the indicator goes in the gear, the third and forth show the difference in the two gears.
Robert if I messed up your explanation please jump in.
Jim...
That would definitely do it. Did this show up on a compression test?
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 7:33 PM A50CROSLEYTRK via Groups.Io <A50CROSLEYTRK= aol.com@groups.io> wrote: I am no expert . The top tower shaft gear I could see were different in the location of the teeth to spline alignment. I made a gauge that would pin in the marked tooth and was bolted broken tower shaft to an iron bar. Then had marks on it . Most would aim in the middle and some would veer off one way or the other.
bye Robert In a message dated 9/29/2018 4:10:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, hftsales@... writes:
Question to the military engine experts: On the engines with the retarded cam timing, were the cam timing gears marked one tooth off or were they standard parts just installed one tooth off? Interesting
Like Butch, I was thinking about the valve timing. Military engines had the cams set so they could run all day long at 3000 rpm – offset by one tooth. Neil Daglow once told me about a wagon he had. He could never get it above 30 mph. Then he realized he had a military engine. Reset the camshaft and voila! The car ran great. Jeff,
While you have the cam cover off, checking the valve clearances, double check the camshaft timing, more than just the marks lining up.
Piston one at TDC (double check the second flywheel mark, by using a screwdriver in the #1 cylinder spark plug hole), the camshaft lobes should be symmetrical across the "clock face".
This has all of the markings of slightly advanced camshaft timing.
Butch On 9/28/2018 5:22 PM, crosleyshortsport wrote: Ok guys, Been a good portion of the day trying to figure this out. Still have not found the problem. I tried a short fuel line directly off the fuel pump and into a bottle of fuel, still no high end power. I took the exhaust system off. Inspected the pipe from the manifold, and checked for any blockage. Installed the pipe without the muffler. Still no high end power. I really feel that my timing is dead on, as it starts with one touch, idles very well and revs at a standstill with no drag at all. I put another new condenser on just to be sure. I am pretty much out of ideas. Tomorrow afternoon I am going to pull the valve cover and check the valve clearances. Then I am going to pull a carb from another Crosley that I run all the time and install it on this engine. I am open to any ideas anyone may have. No it would not affect the car sitting still while reving the engine. I can not tell you the exact technical aspects why but it only happens under load. As I mentioned, just went through this exact same thing with my wife's car and the cat converter breaking up and partially plugging the exhaust. The car ran seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just fell on it's face. It took us a bit of head scratching and testing to come up with something that was actually very simplistic. Like I said...just because something is NEW means nothing. I recently was given a VW bus for FREE because the owner gave up on being able to make it run right. After about 10 minutes of inspecting I found a good sized hole under a cold weld on the brand new intake manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and the van would never get over 30 mph. I welded it shut and the van drove perfect. So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle could have slipped during assembly or some chip munks used the exhaust to hide acorns. Who knows...just thinking outside the box here. Seems you have exhausted (get the pun) every option but this one. Keep us updated I would love to hear what happens. BTW I think you mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the timing advance working on that distributor? I would check that too. No matter what was rebuilt I would STILL check it all out and not assume because it was rebuilt something is working properly. Todd, I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine. I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow. Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise. Thank you for contributing it. Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered . But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest? On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote: I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side. Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions. Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK". You need to check it. Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down. All due to poor manufacturing quality. One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly. Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents. Even nice buildings have mice.... But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it. It could very possibly be the cause. That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have. On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem. It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up. On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote: Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted? Yes, A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out. Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.
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That would definitely do it. Did this show up on a compression test?
On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 7:33 PM A50CROSLEYTRK via Groups.Io <A50CROSLEYTRK= aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am no expert . The top tower shaft gear I could see were different in the location of the teeth to spline alignment. I made a gauge that would pin in the marked tooth and was bolted broken tower shaft to an iron bar. Then had marks on it . Most would aim in the middle and some would veer off one way or the other.
bye Robert
In a message dated 9/29/2018 4:10:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, hftsales@... writes:
Question to the military engine experts: On the engines with the retarded cam timing, were the cam timing gears marked one tooth off or were they standard parts just installed one tooth off?
Interesting
Like Butch, I was thinking about the valve timing. Military engines had the cams set so they could run all day long at 3000 rpm – offset by one tooth. Neil Daglow once told me about a wagon he had. He could never get it above 30 mph. Then he realized he had a military engine. Reset the camshaft and voila! The car ran great.
Jeff,
While you have the cam cover off, checking the valve clearances, double check the camshaft timing, more than just the marks lining up.
Piston one at TDC (double check the second flywheel mark, by using a screwdriver in the #1 cylinder spark plug hole), the camshaft lobes should be symmetrical across the "clock face".
This has all of the markings of slightly advanced camshaft timing.
Butch
On 9/28/2018 5:22 PM, crosleyshortsport wrote:
Ok guys, Been a good portion of the day trying to figure this out. Still have not found the problem. I tried a short fuel line directly off the fuel pump and into a bottle of fuel, still no high end power. I took the exhaust system off. Inspected the pipe from the manifold, and checked for any blockage. Installed the pipe without the muffler. Still no high end power. I really feel that my timing is dead on, as it starts with one touch, idles very well and revs at a standstill with no drag at all. I put another new condenser on just to be sure. I am pretty much out of ideas. Tomorrow afternoon I am going to pull the valve cover and check the valve clearances. Then I am going to pull a carb from another Crosley that I run all the time and install it on this engine. I am open to any ideas anyone may have.
No it would not affect the car sitting still while reving the engine. I can not tell you the exact technical aspects why but it only happens under load. As I mentioned, just went through this exact same thing with my wife's car and the cat converter breaking up and partially plugging the exhaust. The car ran seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just fell on it's face. It took us a bit of head scratching and testing to come up with something that was actually very simplistic.
Like I said...just because something is NEW means nothing. I recently was given a VW bus for FREE because the owner gave up on being able to make it run right. After about 10 minutes of inspecting I found a good sized hole under a cold weld on the brand new intake manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and the van would never get over 30 mph. I welded it shut and the van drove perfect. So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle could have slipped during assembly or some chip munks used the exhaust to hide acorns. Who knows...just thinking outside the box here. Seems you have exhausted (get the pun) every option but this one.
Keep us updated I would love to hear what happens.
BTW I think you mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the timing advance working on that distributor? I would check that too. No matter what was rebuilt I would STILL check it all out and not assume because it was rebuilt something is working properly.
Todd, I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine. I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow.
Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise. Thank you for contributing it. Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered . But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?
On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side. Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions. Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK". You need to check it.
Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down. All due to poor manufacturing quality. One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly. Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents. Even nice buildings have mice....
But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it. It could very possibly be the cause. That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem. It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.
On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:
Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?
Yes, A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.
Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.
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Alright, when I can see what I'm calling you about I'll give you a call!
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I would like to see a picture or 2 also. Please post.
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give me a call, if i'm not here i will return call
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Can we borrow it to make more?
On Sep 29, 2018 9:05 PM, "Brian Dlapa via Groups.Io" <treestumpbvd@...> wrote: sey spock I have one of the false fronfs
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sey spock I have one of the false fronfs
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A very nice car, hard to find a better one, give me a call. $12,000 818-990-0590. this car is located in southern california, i don't know how to send pictures. my wife can probably do it if i had a email address.
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is that the same as a carter WO, if so give me a call, TOBBY 818-990-0590
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I am no expert . The top tower shaft gear I could see were different in the location of the teeth to spline alignment. I made a gauge that would pin in the marked tooth and was bolted broken tower shaft to an iron bar. Then had marks on it . Most would aim in the middle and some would veer off one way or the other.
bye Robert
In a message dated 9/29/2018 4:10:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, hftsales@... writes:
Question to the military engine experts: On the engines with the retarded cam timing, were the cam timing gears marked one tooth off or were they standard parts just installed one tooth off?
Interesting
Like Butch, I was thinking about the valve timing. Military engines had the cams set so they could run all day long at 3000 rpm – offset by one tooth. Neil Daglow once told me about a wagon he had. He could never get it above 30 mph. Then he realized he had a military engine. Reset the camshaft and voila! The car ran great.
Jeff,
While you have the cam cover off, checking the valve clearances, double check the camshaft timing, more than just the marks lining up.
Piston one at TDC (double check the second flywheel mark, by using a screwdriver in the #1 cylinder spark plug hole), the camshaft lobes should be symmetrical across the "clock face".
This has all of the markings of slightly advanced camshaft timing.
Butch
On 9/28/2018 5:22 PM, crosleyshortsport wrote:
Ok guys, Been a good portion of the day trying to figure this out. Still have not found the problem. I tried a short fuel line directly off the fuel pump and into a bottle of fuel, still no high end power. I took the exhaust system off. Inspected the pipe from the manifold, and checked for any blockage. Installed the pipe without the muffler. Still no high end power. I really feel that my timing is dead on, as it starts with one touch, idles very well and revs at a standstill with no drag at all. I put another new condenser on just to be sure. I am pretty much out of ideas. Tomorrow afternoon I am going to pull the valve cover and check the valve clearances. Then I am going to pull a carb from another Crosley that I run all the time and install it on this engine. I am open to any ideas anyone may have.
No it would not affect the car sitting still while reving the engine. I can not tell you the exact technical aspects why but it only happens under load. As I mentioned, just went through this exact same thing with my wife's car and the cat converter breaking up and partially plugging the exhaust. The car ran seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just fell on it's face. It took us a bit of head scratching and testing to come up with something that was actually very simplistic.
Like I said...just because something is NEW means nothing. I recently was given a VW bus for FREE because the owner gave up on being able to make it run right. After about 10 minutes of inspecting I found a good sized hole under a cold weld on the brand new intake manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and the van would never get over 30 mph. I welded it shut and the van drove perfect. So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle could have slipped during assembly or some chip munks used the exhaust to hide acorns. Who knows...just thinking outside the box here. Seems you have exhausted (get the pun) every option but this one.
Keep us updated I would love to hear what happens.
BTW I think you mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the timing advance working on that distributor? I would check that too. No matter what was rebuilt I would STILL check it all out and not assume because it was rebuilt something is working properly.
Todd, I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine. I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow.
Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise. Thank you for contributing it. Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered . But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?
On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:
I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side. Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions. Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK". You need to check it.
Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down. All due to poor manufacturing quality. One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly. Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents. Even nice buildings have mice....
But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it. It could very possibly be the cause. That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem. It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.
On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:
Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?
Yes, A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.
Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.
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The gears are different, you still line the marks up as usual.
Butch
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On 9/29/2018 4:10 PM, L.E. Hardee
wrote:
Question to
the military engine experts: On the engines with the retarded
cam timing, were the cam timing gears marked one tooth off or
were they standard parts just installed one tooth off?
Interesting
Like
Butch, I was thinking about the valve timing.
Military engines had the cams set so they could
run all day long at 3000 rpm – offset by one
tooth. Neil Daglow once told me about a wagon he
had. He could never get it above 30 mph. Then he
realized he had a military engine. Reset the
camshaft and voila! The car ran great.
Jeff,
While you have the cam cover off, checking the valve
clearances, double check the camshaft timing, more
than just the marks lining up.
Piston one at TDC (double check the second flywheel
mark, by using a screwdriver in the #1 cylinder
spark plug hole), the camshaft lobes should be
symmetrical across the "clock face".
This has all of the markings of slightly advanced
camshaft timing.
Butch
On 9/28/2018 5:22 PM,
crosleyshortsport wrote:
Ok guys, Been a good portion
of the day trying to figure this out. Still have
not found the problem. I tried a short fuel line
directly off the fuel pump and into a bottle of
fuel, still no high end power. I took the
exhaust system off. Inspected the pipe from the
manifold, and checked for any blockage.
Installed the pipe without the muffler. Still no
high end power. I really feel that my timing is
dead on, as it starts with one touch, idles very
well and revs at a standstill with no drag at
all. I put another new condenser on just to be
sure. I am pretty much out of ideas. Tomorrow
afternoon I am going to pull the valve cover and
check the valve clearances. Then I am going to
pull a carb from another Crosley that I run all
the time and install it on this engine. I am
open to any ideas anyone may have.
No it would not affect
the car sitting still while reving the
engine. I can not tell you the exact
technical aspects why but it only happens
under load. As I mentioned, just went
through this exact same thing with my wife's
car and the cat converter breaking up and
partially plugging the exhaust. The car ran
seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just
fell on it's face. It took us a bit of head
scratching and testing to come up with
something that was actually very
simplistic.
Like I said...just
because something is NEW means nothing. I
recently was given a VW bus for FREE
because the owner gave up on being able to
make it run right. After about 10 minutes
of inspecting I found a good sized hole
under a cold weld on the brand new intake
manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and
the van would never get over 30 mph. I
welded it shut and the van drove perfect.
So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle
could have slipped during assembly or some
chip munks used the exhaust to hide
acorns. Who knows..just thinking outside
the box here. Seems you have exhausted
(get the pun) every option but this one.
Keep us updated I would
love to hear what happens.
BTW I think you
mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the
timing advance working on that
distributor? I would check that too. No
matter what was rebuilt I would STILL
check it all out and not assume because it
was rebuilt something is working properly.
Todd, I will pull
the muffler tomorrow morning and see how
it goes. I have checked everything going
into the engine. I have not given any
consideration to exhaust until I read
your your suggestion this evening. I
will let everyone know what I find
tomorrow.
On Thu, Sep 27,
2018, 1:45 PM Spock Arnold via
Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoocom@groups.io>
wrote:
Thanks again
Todd, please don't think anyone
was doubting your expertise.
Thank you for contributing it.
Jeff has done a number of Crosley
restorations and this problem has
got him baffled. As such no ideas
will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff
confirmed it was a new Dave
Edwards exhaust that had been
installed just before the engine.
Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust
blockage is something to be
considered . But I have a
question, wouldn't blocked exhaust
have also expressed itself in
acceleration of the engine at
rest?
On Sep 27,
2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu
<bastardbus@...>
wrote:
I ran a
Restoration shop for 20
years and still do it on the
side. Restoration 101-
NEVER make assumptions.
Just because this is a "new
restoration" a red flag went
up immediately with your
comment "and it is a new
exhaust...I THINK". You
need to check it.
Dealing
with aftermarket parts I
have had DOZENS of odd
failures and issues from
NEW parts that took weeks
to track down. All due to
poor manufacturing
quality. One of the
internal baffles in the
exhaust may have slipped
into the incorrect
position or was welded in
improperly. Also...I
have seen on several
occasions restored vintage
cars that have been stored
over winters that have the
exhaust filled debris by
hibernating rodents. Even
nice buildings have
mice...
But it
is your car and do with
this info as you please,
but discounting it without
finding the cause is not a
good idea. Keep the info
in back of your mind and
when you run out of other
ideas check into it. It
could very possibly be the
cause. That is a CLASSIC
plugged exhaust symptoms
you have.
On Thu,
Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM
Spock Arnold via Groups.Io
<tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Another
good thought Gabe, Jeff
told me the car at rest
would rev all the way up
with no problem. It
also seemed to go to top
end in first gear,
however under load of
second and third would
not speed up.
On
Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM,
Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...>
wrote:
Jeff,
Is throttle linkage
being restricted?
Yes,
A new exaust
system, and
everything else
completely
restored. I will
have some time
tomorrow late
afternoon to
work on a couple
of suggestions.
I will let you
know how it
turns out.
Nice
idea Todd, but
this is a new
restoration
with, (I
think) a new
exhaust
system.
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Here are some pics from Tobby:
