This a long shot, I don't think you have said anything about the coil. Sometimes a failing coil does strange things under power or when they start to get warm. You have tried most everything else it might be worth a try.

Jim...

On Sep 28, 2018, at 5:22 PM, crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Ok guys,  Been a good portion of the day trying to figure this out. Still have not found the problem. I tried a short fuel line directly off the fuel pump and into a bottle of fuel, still no high end power. I took the exhaust system off. Inspected the pipe from the manifold, and checked for any blockage. Installed the pipe without the muffler. Still no high end power. I really feel that my timing is dead on, as it starts with one touch, idles very well and revs at a standstill with no drag at all. I put another new condenser on just to be sure. I am pretty much out of ideas. Tomorrow afternoon I am going to pull the valve cover and check the valve clearances. Then I am going to pull a carb from another Crosley that I run all the time and install it on this engine. I am open to any ideas anyone may have.

Jeffrey 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 10:09 PM Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

No it would not affect the car sitting still while reving the engine.  I can not tell you the exact technical aspects why but it only happens under load.  As I mentioned, just went through this exact same thing with my wife's car and the cat converter breaking up and partially plugging the exhaust.  The car ran seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just fell on it's face.  It took us a bit of head scratching and testing to come up with something that was actually very simplistic.  

Like I said...just because something is NEW means nothing.  I recently was given a VW bus for FREE because the owner gave up on being able to make it run right.  After about 10 minutes of inspecting I found a good sized hole under a cold weld on the brand new intake manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and the van would never get over 30 mph.  I welded it shut and the van drove perfect.  So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle could have slipped during assembly or some chip munks used the exhaust to hide acorns.  Who knows...just thinking outside the box here.  Seems you have exhausted (get the pun) every option but this one.  

Keep us updated I would love to hear what happens.

BTW I think you mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the timing advance working on that distributor?  I would check that too.  No matter what was rebuilt I would STILL check it all out and not assume because it was rebuilt something is working properly.

T

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Todd,  I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine.  I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 1:45 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise.  Thank you for contributing it.  Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered .   But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?

On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side.  Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions.  Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK".  You need to check it.  

Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down.  All due to poor manufacturing quality.  One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly.   Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents.  Even nice buildings have mice....

But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it.  It could very possibly be the cause.  That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.  

Good Luck 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem.  It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.

On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:

Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 9:50 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Yes,  A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 8:58 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.  

No it would not affect the car sitting still while reving the engine.  I can not tell you the exact technical aspects why but it only happens under load.  As I mentioned, just went through this exact same thing with my wife's car and the cat converter breaking up and partially plugging the exhaust.  The car ran seemingly fine up to about 40 mph then just fell on it's face.  It took us a bit of head scratching and testing to come up with something that was actually very simplistic.  

Like I said...just because something is NEW means nothing.  I recently was given a VW bus for FREE because the owner gave up on being able to make it run right.  After about 10 minutes of inspecting I found a good sized hole under a cold weld on the brand new intake manifold. It was a HUGE vacuum leak and the van would never get over 30 mph.  I welded it shut and the van drove perfect.  So new exhaust or not, an internal baffle could have slipped during assembly or some chip munks used the exhaust to hide acorns.  Who knows...just thinking outside the box here.  Seems you have exhausted (get the pun) every option but this one.  

Keep us updated I would love to hear what happens.

BTW I think you mentioned it was rebuilt...but how is the timing advance working on that distributor?  I would check that too.  No matter what was rebuilt I would STILL check it all out and not assume because it was rebuilt something is working properly.

T

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Todd,  I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine.  I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 1:45 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise.  Thank you for contributing it.  Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered .   But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?

On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side.  Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions.  Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK".  You need to check it.  

Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down.  All due to poor manufacturing quality.  One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly.   Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents.  Even nice buildings have mice....

But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it.  It could very possibly be the cause.  That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.  

Good Luck 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem.  It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.

On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:

Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 9:50 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Yes,  A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 8:58 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.  

Looks like a small motorcycle teardrop light. Thanks! 

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 8:36 AM ROBERT BAKER <bkrsdoz@...> wrote:

A very common backup light at the time was the Guide B-31.

They are always on E-Bay, and can be found in good shape reasonably.

Bob

CAC#808

A very common backup light at the time was the Guide B-31.

They are always on E-Bay, and can be found in good shape reasonably.

Bob

CAC#808

Todd,  I will pull the muffler tomorrow morning and see how it goes. I have checked everything going into the engine.  I have not given any consideration to exhaust until I read your your suggestion this evening. I will let everyone know what I find tomorrow.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 1:45 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise.  Thank you for contributing it.  Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered .   But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?

On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side.  Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions.  Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK".  You need to check it.  

Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down.  All due to poor manufacturing quality.  One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly.   Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents.  Even nice buildings have mice....

But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it.  It could very possibly be the cause.  That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.  

Good Luck 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem.  It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.

On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:

Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 9:50 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Yes,  A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 8:58 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.  

And when you put the new condenser on you used the screw that was there to mount said condenser didn't you ?

I don't think backup lights were around in 1950 but do remember people adding lights, to older cars, on the rear bumpers that resembled fog lights with white bulbs that were just connected to a switch to turn on when you needed them.

Jim...

On Sep 27, 2018, at 7:42 PM, crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Wade,  I am just finishing my '48 wagon. I purchased a VERY nice wiring harness through Yankee Crosley Parts. Very original looking and it installed quite easily. I actually ordered a later type harness because I have both tailights. I also added turn signals as my 48 did not come with them. I am not sure how you could accomplish adding back up lights. You would need some type of switch that would actuate when the shifter is in the reverse position. Inside a stock tail light, there is no spot for an extra bulb. You would need to mount some extra parking lights like the ones on the front, and hook them up to your switch that you rigged up to the shift lever. 

Jeffrey

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 6:00 PM wvanbusk <wvanbusk@...> wrote:

Hey Gang,

The wiring is shot in my 50 super wagon with a melt at the dimmer switch and the insulation brittle and falling off everywhere. I'm going to redo-reroute the harness adding a fuse box, an updated ignition key switch, and some relays. 

I am considering electrical accessories that were available in 1950. A backup light sounds nice. If someone has a backup light, can you tell me how is it switched on?

Wade

Hey Gang,

The wiring is shot in my 50 super wagon with a melt at the dimmer switch and the insulation brittle and falling off everywhere. I'm going to redo-reroute the harness adding a fuse box, an updated ignition key switch, and some relays.

I am considering electrical accessories that were available in 1950. A backup light sounds nice. If someone has a backup light, can you tell me how is it switched on?

Wade

Thanks again Todd, please don't think anyone was doubting your expertise.  Thank you for contributing it.  Jeff has done a number of Crosley restorations and this problem has got him baffled. As such no ideas will be discounted. LBtw, Jeff confirmed it was a new Dave Edwards exhaust that had been installed just before the engine. Certainly, Rechecking for exhaust blockage is something to be considered .   But I have a question, wouldn't blocked exhaust have also expressed itself in acceleration of the engine at rest?

On Sep 27, 2018 1:11 PM, Todd Swangstu <bastardbus@...> wrote:

I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side.  Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions.  Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK".  You need to check it.  

Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down.  All due to poor manufacturing quality.  One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly.   Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents.  Even nice buildings have mice....

But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it.  It could very possibly be the cause.  That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.  

Good Luck 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem.  It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.

On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:

Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 9:50 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Yes,  A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 8:58 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.  

The switch tab looks something like this.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 8:22 AM L.E. Hardee <hftsales@...> wrote:

The indicator light is in the CD dashcluster.  Just one little light that blinks for either side.  If you look at the Crosley logo on the dash cluster,  you will see a little light on the left and one to the right.  One is the high beams indicator, the other is the turn signal indicator.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 8:15 AM, wvanbusk <wvanbusk@...> wrote:

I will try to save it, thanks.

Not sure what the tab looks like, but it is not very big to fit in the little hole. 

It slides! Mostly to the left. The wires are shot, so I will be removing it to clean.

Is there a dash turn indicator light or two in this setup? Do owners add them?

Cheers

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I ran a Restoration shop for 20 years and still do it on the side.  Restoration 101- NEVER make assumptions.  Just because this is a "new restoration" a red flag went up immediately with your comment "and it is a new exhaust...I THINK".  You need to check it.  

Dealing with aftermarket parts I have had DOZENS of odd failures and issues from NEW parts that took weeks to track down.  All due to poor manufacturing quality.  One of the internal baffles in the exhaust may have slipped into the incorrect position or was welded in improperly.   Also...I have seen on several occasions restored vintage cars that have been stored over winters that have the exhaust filled debris by hibernating rodents.  Even nice buildings have mice....

But it is your car and do with this info as you please, but discounting it without finding the cause is not a good idea. Keep the info in back of your mind and when you run out of other ideas check into it.  It could very possibly be the cause.  That is a CLASSIC plugged exhaust symptoms you have.  

Good Luck 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:38 AM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Another good thought Gabe, Jeff told me the car at rest would rev all the way up with no problem.  It also seemed to go to top end in first gear, however under load of second and third would not speed up.

On Sep 27, 2018 9:31 AM, Gabriel Haddad <super51.g100@...> wrote:

Jeff, Is throttle linkage being restricted?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 9:50 PM crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Yes,  A new exaust system, and everything else completely restored. I will have some time tomorrow late afternoon to work on a couple of suggestions. I will let you know how it turns out.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 8:58 PM Spock Arnold via Groups.Io <tmkldwwj=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nice idea Todd, but this is a new restoration with, (I think) a new exhaust system.