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1951 Delivery Wagon FOR SALE: greater Pittsburgh area

jane altman
 

1951 Delivery Wagon for SALE:  greater Pittsburgh area

RUNS PRETTY GOOD!


Re: Crofton bug running engine and trans for sale

Tom Sodaro
 

Hello, I would like to know where you are located and some other information. You can reach me at tomteach2@...



Re: Crofton bug running engine and trans for sale

Tom Sodaro
 
Edited

Hello, 

Please email me at tomteach2@.... Tom S 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Crofton1960 via Groups.Io <ralphatlarge@...> wrote:

If this is posted in the wrong section please remove.

i have a 1960 crofton bug that I'm replacing the drivetrain on. So the old motor and trans needs to go. The trans is original to the  

bug and shifts good. The motor is not original it is a 1955ish Aerojet runs good. If anyone is interest please let me know thanks




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Thomas C. Sodaro
Principal
Sandwich High School
Sandwich, IL 60548
 "Learning Today, Shaping Tomorrow"
 

 

Crofton bug running engine and trans for sale

Crofton1960
 
Edited

If this is posted in the wrong section please remove.

i have a 1960 crofton bug that I'm replacing the drivetrain on. So the old motor and trans needs to go. The trans is original to the  

bug and shifts good. The motor is not original it is a 1955ish Aerojet runs good. If anyone is interest please let me know thanks

Re: VC rear brake lines

crosleyshortsport
 

Wow John,  That looks factory fresh!

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 PM, "John Van Sickle via Groups.Io" <crosleyjon=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here's a underside photo-for what its worth.
 
 
John

Re: VC rear brake lines

John Van Sickle
 

Here's a underside photo-for what its worth.
 
 
John

Re: Springs springs and springs

Tim Hamblen
 

It's ideas like that that got him a broken foot.LOL

Re: Springs springs and springs

Steve <nutsbolts_9502@...>
 

Another consideration;
There is a 'this end up' and a 'this side down' to those springs.
When you sit your large self into the car, the springs compress from the top down.
When you drive over a  speed bump, the springs compress from the bottom up.


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On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:57 PM, crosleyshortsport <crosleyshortsport@...> wrote:

Duct tape each spring to Jacksons sneakers, have him jump around on the driveway to see if he feels any difference. 😁 I do not believe there is any difference.

On Jan 22, 2017 4:49 PM, "Tim Hamblen via Groups.Io" <flinttim=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Noticed today that the driver side front spring has an extra leaf. Now we all know this is the way they were built to counter the driver's weight, but it raises the question, were the coil springs rear of different rates for the same reason ? If so how do you know which coil goes where.

Re: Springs springs and springs

crosleyshortsport
 

Duct tape each spring to Jacksons sneakers, have him jump around on the driveway to see if he feels any difference. 😁 I do not believe there is any difference.

On Jan 22, 2017 4:49 PM, "Tim Hamblen via Groups.Io" <flinttim=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Noticed today that the driver side front spring has an extra leaf. Now we all know this is the way they were built to counter the driver's weight, but it raises the question, were the coil springs rear of different rates for the same reason ? If so how do you know which coil goes where.

Re: Springs springs and springs

Jerry Summey
 

Both the coils that are coming your way looked to be original to my car and appear to be of the same strength.
 

In a message dated 1/22/2017 4:49:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, flinttim@... writes:

Noticed today that the driver side front spring has an extra leaf. Now we all know this is the way they were built to counter the driver's weight, but it raises the question, were the coil springs rear of different rates for the same reason ? If so how do you know which coil goes where.

Springs springs and springs

Tim Hamblen
 

Noticed today that the driver side front spring has an extra leaf. Now we all know this is the way they were built to counter the driver's weight, but it raises the question, were the coil springs rear of different rates for the same reason ? If so how do you know which coil goes where.

Re: VC rear brake lines

Milford Brown
 

Thanks Bill for remembering Pascal.

Milford



From: Bill Cunningham <billsgarage@...>
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] VC rear brake lines

It was Pascal's Laws of Hydraulics.  

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On Jan 22, 2017, at 1:15 PM, "Milford Brown" <mgbrown3243@...> wrote:

Some of us might remember from high school physics class the "law" named for whoever figured it out, that: "pressure applied to an enclosed fluid is distributed without loss and acts with equal force on equal surfaces."  As L. E. Hardee pointed out, there is no distance function involved.

Milford



From: L.E. Hardee <hftsales@...>
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] VC rear brake lines

Sorry to say, your professional race car builders were either pulling your leg or ill informed themselves.  There isn't a delay because the brake line is full of fluid.  When you push one end of the fluid in the tube, the other end moves at the same time because the fluid doesn't compress.  The fluid doesn't travel down the whole length of tube, it only moves the short distance required to activate the wheel cylinder and is not related to the length of the brake line.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:36 PM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:
I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 





Re: VC rear brake lines

Milford Brown
 

All would move the same half inch only if all were the same diameter.  Assuming that, since there are 4 wheel cylinders, the total movement in each would be one quarter of that half inch, one eighth of an inch at each wheel,, or one sixteenth of an inch for each of the 2 pistons in each wheel cylinder (I'm assuming 2 pistons/cylinder; haven't owned a Crosley for many years).  Basically Steve is correct,though - the total volume of fluid movement at the 4 brakes is the same as the amount moved in the master cylinder.  Of course, actual wheel piston movement will depend on the shoe-to-drum clearance in each wheel, but there will be the same internal pressure in each cylinder regardless of the lengths of their connecting lines.  This is a major benefit of a hydraulic brake system over a mechanical one where cables, etc. can be adjusted differently.

Milford



From: Steve via Groups.Io <nutsbolts_9502@...>
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] VC rear brake lines

The 15" line is filled with fluid.
The 60" line is filled with fluid.
At the master cylinder, cause the fluid to move 1/2" by stepping on the brake pedal.
Now measure the brake cylinder movement on both the 15" line, and on the 60" line.
Both brake cylinders moved the same 1/2" that the brake master cylinder piston moved.
You can put as many tees, as many different tube lengths as you want, every brake cylinder is going to move the same distance, at the same time, with the same pressure.
Hydraulics is predictable.
.....race car builders are not!

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On Jan 21, 2017, at 9:36 PM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:

I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 


Re: VC rear brake lines

Bill Cunningham
 

It was Pascal's Laws of Hydraulics.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2017, at 1:15 PM, "Milford Brown" <mgbrown3243@...> wrote:

Some of us might remember from high school physics class the "law" named for whoever figured it out, that: "pressure applied to an enclosed fluid is distributed without loss and acts with equal force on equal surfaces."  As L. E. Hardee pointed out, there is no distance function involved.

Milford



From: L.E. Hardee <hftsales@...>
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] VC rear brake lines

Sorry to say, your professional race car builders were either pulling your leg or ill informed themselves.  There isn't a delay because the brake line is full of fluid.  When you push one end of the fluid in the tube, the other end moves at the same time because the fluid doesn't compress.  The fluid doesn't travel down the whole length of tube, it only moves the short distance required to activate the wheel cylinder and is not related to the length of the brake line.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:36 PM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:
I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 



Re: VC rear brake lines

Milford Brown
 

Some of us might remember from high school physics class the "law" named for whoever figured it out, that: "pressure applied to an enclosed fluid is distributed without loss and acts with equal force on equal surfaces."  As L. E. Hardee pointed out, there is no distance function involved.

Milford



From: L.E. Hardee <hftsales@...>
To: Crosley-Gang@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Crosley-Gang] VC rear brake lines

Sorry to say, your professional race car builders were either pulling your leg or ill informed themselves.  There isn't a delay because the brake line is full of fluid.  When you push one end of the fluid in the tube, the other end moves at the same time because the fluid doesn't compress.  The fluid doesn't travel down the whole length of tube, it only moves the short distance required to activate the wheel cylinder and is not related to the length of the brake line.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:36 PM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:
I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 



Re: VC rear brake lines

L.E. Hardee
 

Sorry to say, your professional race car builders were either pulling your leg or ill informed themselves.  There isn't a delay because the brake line is full of fluid.  When you push one end of the fluid in the tube, the other end moves at the same time because the fluid doesn't compress.  The fluid doesn't travel down the whole length of tube, it only moves the short distance required to activate the wheel cylinder and is not related to the length of the brake line.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:36 PM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:
I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 


Re: VC rear brake lines

Steve <nutsbolts_9502@...>
 

The 15" line is filled with fluid.
The 60" line is filled with fluid.
At the master cylinder, cause the fluid to move 1/2" by stepping on the brake pedal.
Now measure the brake cylinder movement on both the 15" line, and on the 60" line.
Both brake cylinders moved the same 1/2" that the brake master cylinder piston moved.
You can put as many tees, as many different tube lengths as you want, every brake cylinder is going to move the same distance, at the same time, with the same pressure.
Hydraulics is predictable.
.....race car builders are not!

Sent from my I-thing

On Jan 21, 2017, at 9:36 PM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:

I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 

Re: VC rear brake lines

BARRY SEEL <CROSLEY19@AOL.COM>
 

I was always taught from professional race car builders to try to make the lines as equal as possible. If one line is 15 inches, and the other is 60 inches. The shorter line will get the pressure quicker, and could cause that wheel to lock up first and cause a control problem. But these are not race cars. 

Re: VC rear brake lines

Steve <nutsbolts_9502@...>
 

Hardee,
You nailed it!
I would add the swell in the rubber lines, while existing, is a negligible effect.
Additionally, no loss in pressure attributed to line length.


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On Jan 21, 2017, at 11:03 AM, L.E. Hardee <hftsales@...> wrote:

I was with you, Barry, until you advised the brake lines should be of equal length.  Hydraulic brake fluid is supposed to be non-compressible.  This means that the output pressure is theoretically the same, no matter how long or short the branch lines are.  Hoses are a different matter as they can swell a bit under pressure, the longer the hose, the more volume is lost due to the increase in diameter of the hose.  The swelling hose would absorb some of the braking power.  That is why a brake system uses steel brake lines as much as possible with short hoses only where required for flexibility.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:26 AM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:

If you have the brackets for the brake hoses, go ahead and do it that way. It is the best. I still have my original rear axle/torque tube assembly from my Hotshot. It has the single line running from the front of the torque tube to the T at the diff, and then steel lines to the calipers. Just try to keep the brake lines, as close to equal length as you can.

Barry


Re: VC rear brake lines

L.E. Hardee
 

I was with you, Barry, until you advised the brake lines should be of equal length.  Hydraulic brake fluid is supposed to be non-compressible.  This means that the output pressure is theoretically the same, no matter how long or short the branch lines are.  Hoses are a different matter as they can swell a bit under pressure, the longer the hose, the more volume is lost due to the increase in diameter of the hose.  The swelling hose would absorb some of the braking power.  That is why a brake system uses steel brake lines as much as possible with short hoses only where required for flexibility.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:26 AM, CROSLEY19 via Groups.Io <CROSLEY19@...> wrote:

If you have the brackets for the brake hoses, go ahead and do it that way. It is the best. I still have my original rear axle/torque tube assembly from my Hotshot. It has the single line running from the front of the torque tube to the T at the diff, and then steel lines to the calipers. Just try to keep the brake lines, as close to equal length as you can.

Barry