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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Dino, My crank up is motorized and I reverse the motor to lower the sections but doesn't the pull down need to be coordinated with the reversing of the pull-up? Can one motor do both? David
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 3:22 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
Positive pull-down towers are motorized with either a single cable or two separate cables.
If you have a hand crank you can install a second winch...one for each hand. Its a great coordination exercise.
The PPD cable attaches to the bottom of the top section and routed through pulley(s) at the base of the tower. I've seen people use a rope to armstrong it down. Effectively you are pulling the top section down through the bind to make it come down. This force
pushes the other sections down.
Bill,
How do you cable the crank-up for positive pull down? I have an e-z way 60 foot and use a winch/hoist to crank up and gravity to let it down while reversing the hoist. Somehow the pull down would need to
be coordinated with reversing of the lifting cable. Can you offer your solution?
thanks and 73,
David
AA3DA
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM bill steffey NY9H < Ny9h@...> wrote:
sorry looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to other products,,,,
there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind speed... Peet 2100...
bill
On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:
Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See
http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information
On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:
here is what I use... great if I forget and am away from home .... I set t for 25 from my peet anemometer reed switch..
I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn
had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,, mdpl 572 with positive pull down ,.,,
bill
On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated.
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...> wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Positive pull-down towers are motorized with either a single cable or two separate cables.
If you have a hand crank you can install a second winch...one for each hand. Its a great coordination exercise.
The PPD cable attaches to the bottom of the top section and routed through pulley(s) at the base of the tower. I've seen people use a rope to armstrong it down. Effectively you are pulling the top section down through the bind to make it come down. This force
pushes the other sections down.
From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of David A via groups.io <tkxdave@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:13:40 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Bill,
How do you cable the crank-up for positive pull down? I have an e-z way 60 foot and use a winch/hoist to crank up and gravity to let it down while reversing the hoist. Somehow the pull down would need to
be coordinated with reversing of the lifting cable. Can you offer your solution?
thanks and 73,
David
AA3DA
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM bill steffey NY9H < Ny9h@...> wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
sorry looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to other products,,,,
there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind speed... Peet 2100...
bill
On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:
Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See
http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information
On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:
here is what I use... great if I forget and am away from home .... I set t for 25 from my peet anemometer reed switch..
I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn
had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,, mdpl 572 with positive pull down ,.,,
bill
On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated.
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...> wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Some of the cables in my newly purchased Tashjian LM-470 are rubbing against galvanized parts of the tower. I'm concerned that this will cause the cables to wearout prematurely. This is especially worrisome where the rubbing has removed enough galvanization to cause rust on parts of the tower that remain in long-term contact with the cable (i.e. while nested the rust will attack the cable).
Obviously, any repair using brush-on galvanization would not last.
If anyone has had similar issues, I would appreciate knowing what was done to fix the problem(s). Thoughts here include somehow placing some teflon sheeting at the points where the cable rubs the steel structure, but wear of the teflon is worrisome as well as practically holding it in place. I'm hoping not needing to "reinvent the wheel" by doing something that others have found to be successful and reliable.
73, Riki K7NJ
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Bill, How do you cable the crank-up for positive pull down? I have an e-z way 60 foot and use a winch/hoist to crank up and gravity to let it down while reversing the hoist. Somehow the pull down would need to be coordinated with reversing of the lifting cable. Can you offer your solution? thanks and 73, David AA3DA
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM bill steffey NY9H < Ny9h@...> wrote:
sorry looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to
other products,,,,
there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind
speed... Peet 2100...
bill
On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey
NY9H wrote:
Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for
damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either
directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when
using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp
for additional information
On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey
NY9H wrote:
here is what I use... great if I forget and am away from
home .... I set t for 25 from my peet anemometer reed
switch..
I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from
my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move
tower dn
had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,, mdpl 572
with positive pull down ,.,,
bill
On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind
alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also
have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus
to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be
greatly appreciated.
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...>
wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I
want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed
with a alarm system that would crank the tower
down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the
down position relay
On Mon, Jul
12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...>
wrote:
If
you have positive pull down, bring it
down.
If
you don't and are patient, let off on the
cable just a little bit and when the tower
snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat.
But you MUST make sure the top section(s)
are coming down! Its very possible for
them not to descend even when the second
section does. If you screw this up, your
tower will let you know!
Just
be smart and vigilant and it will come
down. Patients is key when dealing with a
binding tower!
Sorry for spell check
changing there to their. I just love to
be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12,
2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...>
wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40
meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter
above it. Too much wind load to
my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question
was prompted due to a video
posted on a Facebook group of
a guy in Los Vegas dealing
with 60 MPH winds late last
night. Not sure the model
crank up he had (three 20's
sections), but there was a
large HF quad on it. The
winds kicked up suddenly in a
storm and caught him out. He
elected not to touch the tower
or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you
have a crank-up without a pull
down cable, best not to touch
it. However, towers with a
positive pull down, is it
better to leave the tower up
fully extended and not touch
it or to allow the pull down
to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know
this can vary on the
particular situation. Just
curios what others have done
in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
bill steffey NY9H
sorry looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to
other products,,,,
there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind
speed... Peet 2100...
bill
On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey
NY9H wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for
damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either
directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when
using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp
for additional information
On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey
NY9H wrote:
here is what I use... great if I forget and am away from
home .... I set t for 25 from my peet anemometer reed
switch..
I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from
my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move
tower dn
had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,, mdpl 572
with positive pull down ,.,,
bill
On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind
alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also
have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus
to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be
greatly appreciated.
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...>
wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I
want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed
with a alarm system that would crank the tower
down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the
down position relay
On Mon, Jul
12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...>
wrote:
If
you have positive pull down, bring it
down.
If
you don't and are patient, let off on the
cable just a little bit and when the tower
snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat.
But you MUST make sure the top section(s)
are coming down! Its very possible for
them not to descend even when the second
section does. If you screw this up, your
tower will let you know!
Just
be smart and vigilant and it will come
down. Patients is key when dealing with a
binding tower!
Sorry for spell check
changing there to their. I just love to
be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12,
2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...>
wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40
meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter
above it. Too much wind load to
my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question
was prompted due to a video
posted on a Facebook group of
a guy in Los Vegas dealing
with 60 MPH winds late last
night. Not sure the model
crank up he had (three 20's
sections), but there was a
large HF quad on it. The
winds kicked up suddenly in a
storm and caught him out. He
elected not to touch the tower
or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you
have a crank-up without a pull
down cable, best not to touch
it. However, towers with a
positive pull down, is it
better to leave the tower up
fully extended and not touch
it or to allow the pull down
to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know
this can vary on the
particular situation. Just
curios what others have done
in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
bill steffey NY9H
Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for
damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either
directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when
using this device. See
http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional
information
On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey
NY9H wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
here is what I use... great if I forget and am away from home
.... I set t for 25 from my peet anemometer reed switch..
I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from
my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move
tower dn
had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,, mdpl 572
with positive pull down ,.,,
bill
On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind
alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also
have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus to
have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly
appreciated.
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...>
wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I
want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed
with a alarm system that would crank the tower
down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the
down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12,
2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...>
wrote:
If
you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If
you don't and are patient, let off on the
cable just a little bit and when the tower
snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat.
But you MUST make sure the top section(s)
are coming down! Its very possible for them
not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will
let you know!
Just
be smart and vigilant and it will come down.
Patients is key when dealing with a binding
tower!
Sorry for spell check changing
there to their. I just love to be
corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021,
at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...>
wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40
meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter
above it. Too much wind load to my
liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was
prompted due to a video posted
on a Facebook group of a guy in
Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH
winds late last night. Not sure
the model crank up he had (three
20's sections), but there was a
large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm
and caught him out. He elected
not to touch the tower or
attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you
have a crank-up without a pull
down cable, best not to touch
it. However, towers with a
positive pull down, is it better
to leave the tower up fully
extended and not touch it or to
allow the pull down to do its
job and start to retract the
tower? I know this can vary on
the particular situation. Just
curios what others have done in
this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
bill steffey NY9H
here is what I use... great if I forget and am away from home
.... I set t for 25 from my peet anemometer reed switch..
I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my
remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower
dn
had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,, mdpl 572
with positive pull down ,.,,
bill
On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind
alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also
have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus to
have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly
appreciated.
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...>
wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want
to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed
with a alarm system that would crank the tower down
at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down
position relay
On Mon, Jul 12,
2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...>
wrote:
If
you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If
you don't and are patient, let off on the
cable just a little bit and when the tower
snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But
you MUST make sure the top section(s) are
coming down! Its very possible for them not to
descend even when the second section does. If
you screw this up, your tower will let you
know!
Just
be smart and vigilant and it will come down.
Patients is key when dealing with a binding
tower!
Sorry for spell check changing
there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021,
at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...>
wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40
meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above
it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was
prompted due to a video posted on
a Facebook group of a guy in Los
Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds
late last night. Not sure the
model crank up he had (three 20's
sections), but there was a large
HF quad on it. The winds kicked
up suddenly in a storm and caught
him out. He elected not to touch
the tower or attempted to retract
it.
I can already presume if you have
a crank-up without a pull down
cable, best not to touch it.
However, towers with a positive
pull down, is it better to leave
the tower up fully extended and
not touch it or to allow the pull
down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this
can vary on the particular
situation. Just curios what
others have done in this
situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
7/13/21 Herschel, Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 73 & good DXing
On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall < r2owner@...> wrote: Herb I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555. Thanks Herschel WA9KIA I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Herb Did you intend to send me something in the email? Herschel
My pleasure
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 10:42 PM Herschel Hall < r2owner@...> wrote: Herb I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555. Thanks Herschel WA9KIA I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
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On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 10:42 PM Herschel Hall < r2owner@...> wrote: Herb I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555. Thanks Herschel WA9KIA I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Herb I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555. Thanks Herschel WA9KIA
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling < dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Thanks Al ... make sense to me now ... I should have read the webpage showing the Offset Truss Mast a little closer ... it says it all there.
The new provider of your Tilt Plate (Degan Designs) is only about 30 mins from me here in Southern Ontario and I plan to reach out to them as I get closer to finalizing the planning of my tower project.
73
Mike
VA3LR
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, at 2:26 PM, Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Mike VA3LR wrote:
Assuming that the Kit Option offered by SteppIR includes the Boom Truss Mast, is the Offset Boom Truss Mast in addition to Steppir's Boom Mast or is the SteppIR Boom Truss Mast substituted for the Offset Truss Mast?
Hi Mike,
The goal is to have the SteppIR T-Bar truss positioned on the TiltPlate so that is pretty close to vertical. The "offset truss mast" make this adjustment easy. The T-Bar mast is 1.75 inches and will "nest" into the 2 inch offset truss mast making a strong setup and easy to make vertical. This is the preferred method. However you can just use the T-Bar truss mast alone and get it fairy vertical as noted below and on the web page.
The upper u-Bolt on the TiltPlate will be come with a shim under it. You can remove the saddle from the lower u-Bolt to get additional adjustment.
The "lateral strut" setup (shown on the web page) is still needed to insure the boom does not flex laterally as the SteppIR T-Bar truss alone is not enough to prevent the flexing when the tower is raised or lowered. Hope this helps clear it up.
Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.
If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section
does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!
Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!
From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
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On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down.
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking.
I use a HDX
589MPL
WB4BMQ
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds
kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to
retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Sorry for spell check changing there to their. I just love to be corrected.
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking. I use a HDX 589MPL WB4BMQ On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it. Too much wind load to my liking. I use a HDX 589MPL
On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
Damon - KJ7E
This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night. Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it. The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out. He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.
I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it. However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower? I know this can vary on the particular situation. Just curios what others have done in this situation.
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Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Mike VA3LR wrote:
Assuming that the Kit Option offered by SteppIR includes the Boom Truss Mast, is the Offset Boom Truss Mast in addition to Steppir's Boom Mast or is the SteppIR Boom Truss Mast substituted for the Offset Truss Mast?
Hi Mike, The goal is to have the SteppIR T-Bar truss positioned on the TiltPlate so that is pretty close to vertical. The "offset truss mast" make this adjustment easy. The T-Bar mast is 1.75 inches and will "nest" into the 2 inch offset truss mast making a strong setup and easy to make vertical. This is the preferred method. However you can just use the T-Bar truss mast alone and get it fairy vertical as noted below and on the web page.
The upper u-Bolt on the TiltPlate will be come with a shim under it. You can remove the saddle from the lower u-Bolt to get additional adjustment.
The "lateral strut" setup (shown on the web page) is still needed to insure the boom does not flex laterally as the SteppIR T-Bar truss alone is not enough to prevent the flexing when the tower is raised or lowered. Hope this helps clear it up.
Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com
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I am still a little confused on the Double Truss Kit Option offered for the DB36 by SteppIR ... specifically relating to the Offset Boom Truss Mast shown on Al's website. Assuming that the Kit Option offered by SteppIR includes the Boom Truss Mast, is the Offset Boom Truss Mast in addition to Steppir's Boom Mast or is the SteppIR Boom Truss Mast substituted for the Offset Truss Mast?
Hopefully the above question makes sense.
Also, as an FYI, current SteppIR pricing on the DB36 Double Truss Kit Option is $422.
73
Mike
VA3LR
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Al N6TA wrote:
Al,
Perfect! Thank you for the clarity. This is finally clear along with the lateral truss as well, which is not a SteppIr feature but is useful when using the TiltPlate.
73 de Al
N6TA
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] DB36
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 01:19 AM, Al N6TA wrote:
"The boom double truss kit comes standard with the DB42 and is an available upgrade option for the DB36 when utilizing the antenna in high wind and ice loading conditions. The boom double truss not only counteracts vertical loads, but also counteracts horizontal loading to the boom."
I try to get definition from the DB42 pages and not even a picture.
The new T-BAR truss is standard on the DB42 and available as an option on the DB36. It can also be ordered to retrofit on the older antennas. Here are the pricing details for adding the T-Bar option of one of the other SteppIR models. Thanks to Adam at SteppIR for this Information.
· Option on the DB36 -- $383.10
· Option to retrofit to the 4el SteppIR - about $385
· Option to retrofit an older MonstIR - about $475
Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com
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