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Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

David A
 

Dino,
My crank up is motorized and I reverse the motor to lower the sections but doesn't the pull down need to be coordinated with the reversing of the pull-up?  Can one motor do both?
David 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 3:22 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
Positive pull-down towers are motorized with either a single cable or two separate cables.

If you have a hand crank you can install a second winch...one for each hand. Its a great coordination exercise.

The PPD cable attaches to the bottom of the top section and routed through pulley(s) at the base of the tower. I've seen people use a rope to armstrong it down. Effectively you are pulling the top section down through the bind to make it come down. This force pushes the other sections down.

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of David A via groups.io <tkxdave=gmail.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:13:40 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Bill,
How do you cable the crank-up for positive pull down?  I have an e-z way 60 foot and use a winch/hoist to crank up and gravity to let it down while reversing the hoist.  Somehow the pull down would need to be coordinated with reversing of the lifting cable.  Can you offer your solution?
thanks and 73,
David
AA3DA

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM bill steffey NY9H <Ny9h@...> wrote:

sorry  looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to other products,,,,   

there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind speed... Peet 2100...


bill

On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information



On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

here is what I use...  great if I forget and am away from home ....     I set t for 25    from my peet anemometer reed switch..

I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn


had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,,  mdpl 572   with positive pull down ,.,,

bill


On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Dino Darling
 

Positive pull-down towers are motorized with either a single cable or two separate cables.

If you have a hand crank you can install a second winch...one for each hand. Its a great coordination exercise.

The PPD cable attaches to the bottom of the top section and routed through pulley(s) at the base of the tower. I've seen people use a rope to armstrong it down. Effectively you are pulling the top section down through the bind to make it come down. This force pushes the other sections down.

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of David A via groups.io <tkxdave@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:13:40 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Bill,
How do you cable the crank-up for positive pull down?  I have an e-z way 60 foot and use a winch/hoist to crank up and gravity to let it down while reversing the hoist.  Somehow the pull down would need to be coordinated with reversing of the lifting cable.  Can you offer your solution?
thanks and 73,
David
AA3DA

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM bill steffey NY9H <Ny9h@...> wrote:

sorry  looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to other products,,,,   

there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind speed... Peet 2100...


bill

On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information



On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

here is what I use...  great if I forget and am away from home ....     I set t for 25    from my peet anemometer reed switch..

I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn


had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,,  mdpl 572   with positive pull down ,.,,

bill


On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


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LM-470 Cables Rubbing

Riki, K7NJ
 

Some of the cables in my newly purchased Tashjian LM-470 are rubbing against galvanized parts of the tower. I'm concerned that this will cause the cables to wearout  prematurely. This is especially worrisome where the rubbing has removed enough galvanization to cause rust on parts of the tower that remain in long-term contact with the cable (i.e. while nested the rust will attack the cable).

Obviously, any repair using brush-on galvanization would not last.

If anyone has had similar issues, I would appreciate knowing what was done to fix the problem(s). Thoughts here include somehow placing some teflon sheeting at the points where the cable rubs the steel structure, but wear of the teflon is worrisome as well as practically holding it in place.  I'm hoping not needing to "reinvent the wheel" by doing something that others have found to be successful and reliable.

73, Riki K7NJ


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

David A
 

Bill,
How do you cable the crank-up for positive pull down?  I have an e-z way 60 foot and use a winch/hoist to crank up and gravity to let it down while reversing the hoist.  Somehow the pull down would need to be coordinated with reversing of the lifting cable.  Can you offer your solution?
thanks and 73,
David
AA3DA

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:17 AM bill steffey NY9H <Ny9h@...> wrote:

sorry  looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to other products,,,,   

there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind speed... Peet 2100...


bill

On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information



On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

here is what I use...  great if I forget and am away from home ....     I set t for 25    from my peet anemometer reed switch..

I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn


had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,,  mdpl 572   with positive pull down ,.,,

bill


On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

bill steffey NY9H
 

sorry  looks like Inspeed page is gone & heliotrack is on to other products,,,,   

there are wind devices that trip alarm/relays at a set wind speed... Peet 2100...


bill

On 7/13/2021 11:11 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information



On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

here is what I use...  great if I forget and am away from home ....     I set t for 25    from my peet anemometer reed switch..

I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn


had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,,  mdpl 572   with positive pull down ,.,,

bill


On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

bill steffey NY9H
 

Heliotrack Programmable Wind Alarm Switch V1.0
Developed in partnership with Inspeed.com, LLC
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
Niether Heliotrack,LLC nor Inspeed assume any responsibility for damages caused by the use or misuse of our products, either directly or indirectly. Extreme caution should be exercised when using this device. See http://www.inspeed.com/Terms_And_Conditions.asp for additional information



On 7/13/2021 11:05 AM, bill steffey NY9H wrote:

here is what I use...  great if I forget and am away from home ....     I set t for 25    from my peet anemometer reed switch..

I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn


had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,,  mdpl 572   with positive pull down ,.,,

bill


On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:
7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

bill steffey NY9H
 

here is what I use...  great if I forget and am away from home ....     I set t for 25    from my peet anemometer reed switch..

I have it wired so that when it trips ,,,power is pulled from my remote up/dn switch in the garage ...and pwr is set to move tower dn


had the switch for 5 years , just put online ,.,,  mdpl 572   with positive pull down ,.,,

bill


On 7/13/2021 9:14 AM, K4hmk wrote:

7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

K4hmk
 

7/13/21
Herschel,
Hello Herb Kleinman K4HMK. I read your tweet about a wind alarm system that another ham had mentioned. I like you also have an HDX 555. Living here in No. Fla  it would be a plus to have that knowledge. Any info you may share would be greatly appreciated. 
73 & good DXing
Herb K4HMK


On Jul 12, 2021, at 10:42 PM, Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Herschel Hall
 

Herb
Did you intend to send me something in the email?
Herschel 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 7:41 AM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
My pleasure 

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 10:42 PM Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Herb Celler
 

My pleasure 


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 10:42 PM Herschel Hall <r2owner@...> wrote:
Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Herschel Hall
 

Herb
I would like this wind alarm system, I want to do he same here with my HDX555.
Thanks
Herschel WA9KIA

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 4:10 PM Herb Celler <herbceller69@...> wrote:
I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Herb Celler
 

I had a wind a anemometer designed with a alarm system that would crank the tower down at 15 mph winds. Works great plugs into the down position relay


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 4:15 PM Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:
If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh=charter.net@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: DB36

Mike VA3LR
 

Thanks Al ... make sense to me now ... I should have read the webpage showing the Offset Truss Mast a little closer ... it says it all there.

The new provider of your Tilt Plate (Degan Designs) is only about 30 mins from me here in Southern Ontario and I plan to reach out to them as I get closer to finalizing the planning of my tower project.

73
Mike
VA3LR


On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, at 2:26 PM, Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Mike VA3LR wrote:

Assuming that the Kit Option offered by SteppIR includes the Boom Truss Mast, is the Offset Boom Truss Mast in addition to Steppir's Boom Mast or is the SteppIR Boom Truss Mast substituted for the Offset Truss Mast?
Hi Mike,
The goal is to have the SteppIR T-Bar truss positioned on the TiltPlate so that is pretty close to vertical.  The "offset truss mast" make this adjustment easy.  The T-Bar mast is 1.75 inches and will "nest" into the 2 inch offset truss mast making a strong setup and easy to make vertical.   This is the preferred method.   However you can just use the T-Bar truss mast alone and get it fairy vertical as noted below and on the web page.  


The upper u-Bolt on the TiltPlate will be come with a shim under it.  You can remove the saddle from the lower u-Bolt to get additional adjustment. 

The "lateral strut" setup (shown on the web page) is still needed to insure the boom does not flex laterally as the SteppIR T-Bar truss alone is not enough to prevent the flexing when the tower is raised or lowered.  Hope this helps clear it up. 

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com



Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Dino Darling
 

If you have positive pull down, bring it down.

If you don't and are patient, let off on the cable just a little bit and when the tower snaps back it will drop. Rinse and repeat. But you MUST make sure the top section(s) are coming down! Its very possible for them not to descend even when the second section does. If you screw this up, your tower will let you know!

Just be smart and vigilant and it will come down. Patients is key when dealing with a binding tower!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Loyd via groups.io <Richeylh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 12:55:18 PM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning
 
Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Loyd
 

Sorry for spell check changing there to their.  I just love to be corrected. 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Loyd richey <richeylh@...> wrote:

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Loyd
 

I pull my 4 element 40 meter yagi down. 
Their is a 3 element 20 meter above it.  Too much wind load to my liking. 
I use a HDX 
589MPL 
WB4BMQ 


On Jul 12, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


What to do if you are caught out in strong winds with out warning

Damon - KJ7E
 

This question was prompted due to a video posted on a Facebook group of a guy in Los Vegas dealing with 60 MPH winds late last night.  Not sure the model crank up he had (three 20's sections), but there was a large HF quad on it.  The winds kicked up suddenly in a storm and caught him out.  He elected not to touch the tower or attempted to retract it.

I can already presume if you have a crank-up without a pull down cable, best not to touch it.  However, towers with a positive pull down, is it better to leave the tower up fully extended and not touch it or to allow the pull down to do its job and start to retract the tower?  I know this can vary on the particular situation.  Just curios what others have done in this situation.


Re: DB36

Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ
 

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 12:41 PM, Mike VA3LR wrote:
Assuming that the Kit Option offered by SteppIR includes the Boom Truss Mast, is the Offset Boom Truss Mast in addition to Steppir's Boom Mast or is the SteppIR Boom Truss Mast substituted for the Offset Truss Mast?
Hi Mike,
The goal is to have the SteppIR T-Bar truss positioned on the TiltPlate so that is pretty close to vertical.  The "offset truss mast" make this adjustment easy.  The T-Bar mast is 1.75 inches and will "nest" into the 2 inch offset truss mast making a strong setup and easy to make vertical.   This is the preferred method.   However you can just use the T-Bar truss mast alone and get it fairy vertical as noted below and on the web page.  

The upper u-Bolt on the TiltPlate will be come with a shim under it.  You can remove the saddle from the lower u-Bolt to get additional adjustment. 

The "lateral strut" setup (shown on the web page) is still needed to insure the boom does not flex laterally as the SteppIR T-Bar truss alone is not enough to prevent the flexing when the tower is raised or lowered.  Hope this helps clear it up. 

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com



Re: DB36

Mike VA3LR
 

I am still a little confused on the Double Truss Kit Option offered for the DB36 by SteppIR ... specifically relating to the Offset Boom Truss Mast shown on Al's website.  Assuming that the Kit Option offered by SteppIR includes the Boom Truss Mast, is the Offset Boom Truss Mast in addition to Steppir's Boom Mast or is the SteppIR Boom Truss Mast substituted for the Offset Truss Mast?

Hopefully the above question makes sense.

Also, as an FYI, current SteppIR pricing on the DB36 Double Truss Kit Option is $422.

73
Mike
VA3LR


On Sun, Jul 4, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Al N6TA wrote:

Al,

Perfect!  Thank you for the clarity.  This is finally clear along with the lateral truss as well, which is not a SteppIr feature but is useful when using the TiltPlate.

 

73 de Al

N6TA

 

Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] DB36

 

On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 01:19 AM, Al N6TA wrote:

"The boom double truss kit comes standard with the DB42 and is an available upgrade option for the DB36 when utilizing the antenna in high wind and ice loading conditions. The boom double truss not only counteracts vertical loads, but also counteracts horizontal loading to the boom."

I try to get definition from the DB42 pages and not even a picture.


Here is a picture of the double truss kit on my web page:  http://www.nn4zz.com/Lateral%20Strut%20Mount.htm

The new T-BAR truss is  standard on the DB42 and available as an option on the DB36.   It can also be ordered to retrofit on the older antennas.  Here are the pricing details for adding the T-Bar option of one of the other SteppIR models. Thanks to Adam at SteppIR for this  Information. 

·         Option on the DB36 -- $383.10

·         Option to retrofit to the 4el SteppIR - about $385

·         Option to retrofit an older MonstIR - about $475




Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com


 


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