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Re: PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

Dave .
 

WOW...that's a big pipe...I would be afraid I would get a gopher thinking that was a GREAT new condo...


-------- Original message --------
From: Dave N2OA <kdcarlso@...>
Date: 6/19/21 8:31 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

6" diameter. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Dave
N2OA

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 9:22 AM Dave . <ktx85@...> wrote:
What diameter pipe?....


-------- Original message --------
From: Dave N2OA <kdcarlso@...>
Date: 6/19/21 8:19 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

I ran two 6" pieces of drainage pipe, without the holes. I drilled some of my own holes along the bottom at the lowest point on the run because there will be water. 

I'm currently running 6 pieces of 1/2 heliax, rotor cable, and the tower control cable through those and there's a little room for growth. All bends used 45 deg. adapters and I was able to push each piece of cable through the 50' run without using a pull line. I have two lines in there though in case I want to pull something else less rigid.  

Dave
N2OA

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 7:46 AM Dave . <ktx85@...> wrote:
Hello..

I'm planning on running a pvc sleeve from the house to the tower...trying to figure the size of pipe that would be the best..

I'm planning on running  4 or 5 .....1/2 hardline...

So...2 inch.....3 inch ...4 inch ?   What is the best size that allows easy installation and future service ?


Re: PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

Dave N2OA
 

6" diameter. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Dave
N2OA

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 9:22 AM Dave . <ktx85@...> wrote:
What diameter pipe?....


-------- Original message --------
From: Dave N2OA <kdcarlso@...>
Date: 6/19/21 8:19 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

I ran two 6" pieces of drainage pipe, without the holes. I drilled some of my own holes along the bottom at the lowest point on the run because there will be water. 

I'm currently running 6 pieces of 1/2 heliax, rotor cable, and the tower control cable through those and there's a little room for growth. All bends used 45 deg. adapters and I was able to push each piece of cable through the 50' run without using a pull line. I have two lines in there though in case I want to pull something else less rigid.  

Dave
N2OA

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 7:46 AM Dave . <ktx85@...> wrote:
Hello..

I'm planning on running a pvc sleeve from the house to the tower...trying to figure the size of pipe that would be the best..

I'm planning on running  4 or 5 .....1/2 hardline...

So...2 inch.....3 inch ...4 inch ?   What is the best size that allows easy installation and future service ?


Re: PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

Andre VanWyk
 

If you can, run a 4” for RF cable and a 2” for control. That way you have ample room for future cables. Electrical PVC conduit is best but most expensive. We use long radius bends. It makes pulling hardline on long runs and bends so much easier. Don’t forget to leave a pull rope or tape in the conduit for future additions.   Good luck with your project!
73
NJ0F


Re: PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

Dave .
 

What diameter pipe?....


-------- Original message --------
From: Dave N2OA <kdcarlso@...>
Date: 6/19/21 8:19 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

I ran two 6" pieces of drainage pipe, without the holes. I drilled some of my own holes along the bottom at the lowest point on the run because there will be water. 

I'm currently running 6 pieces of 1/2 heliax, rotor cable, and the tower control cable through those and there's a little room for growth. All bends used 45 deg. adapters and I was able to push each piece of cable through the 50' run without using a pull line. I have two lines in there though in case I want to pull something else less rigid.  

Dave
N2OA

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 7:46 AM Dave . <ktx85@...> wrote:
Hello..

I'm planning on running a pvc sleeve from the house to the tower...trying to figure the size of pipe that would be the best..

I'm planning on running  4 or 5 .....1/2 hardline...

So...2 inch.....3 inch ...4 inch ?   What is the best size that allows easy installation and future service ?


Re: PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

Dave N2OA
 

I ran two 6" pieces of drainage pipe, without the holes. I drilled some of my own holes along the bottom at the lowest point on the run because there will be water. 

I'm currently running 6 pieces of 1/2 heliax, rotor cable, and the tower control cable through those and there's a little room for growth. All bends used 45 deg. adapters and I was able to push each piece of cable through the 50' run without using a pull line. I have two lines in there though in case I want to pull something else less rigid.  

Dave
N2OA


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 7:46 AM Dave . <ktx85@...> wrote:
Hello..

I'm planning on running a pvc sleeve from the house to the tower...trying to figure the size of pipe that would be the best..

I'm planning on running  4 or 5 .....1/2 hardline...

So...2 inch.....3 inch ...4 inch ?   What is the best size that allows easy installation and future service ?


PVC UNDERGROUND..SLEEVE

Dave .
 

Hello..

I'm planning on running a pvc sleeve from the house to the tower...trying to figure the size of pipe that would be the best..

I'm planning on running  4 or 5 .....1/2 hardline...

So...2 inch.....3 inch ...4 inch ?   What is the best size that allows easy installation and future service ?


Re: Permit process for Los Angeles County - rant

Jim VE7RF
 

Interestingly enough, my permit was for the BASE + concrete / rebar cage / anchor bolts only....and NOT the actual tower..nor ants.   And don't let any  inspector  touch any bolts / nuts  with a wrench either.     On my old tower base, city hall  notifies me, and wants to do a ''final inspection'".   Told em there is nothing to inspect, it's all  concrete and rebar buried in the grnd.   If  you would like some pix, I will send plenty,  but  you are not coming onto the property, good bye.   Never heard from them again.   City hall inspectors had never come out before..ever.   I had to get a local eng to sign off on everything..then file a report with city hall.   City hall was satisfied   with the engineers  report.   Then  8 months later I get the  ..'final inspection notice'.   Go  figure.   Back yard is fully fenced and I keep both gates locked at all times. 

Jim   VE7RF


Re: TM-370HD rotor cage chain

Grant Saviers
 

I use upside down black plastic file boxes over my HDX589 motors for rain protection. Tied on with bungee cords. Much larger plastic storage boxes are available and need painting for UV protection if not black. Otherwise spray with exposed chain and gear lube frequently. It does not have grease to attract dirt.

Grant KZ1W

On 6/15/2021 03:51, Mpridesti via groups.io wrote:
Further clarification on the sky needle post
It’s a TM370HD and it’s rotor cage I am questioning the chain drive protection. Any suggestions on how to minimize the rusting on that chain?
Regards,
Mark, K1RX

On Jun 14, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:


Are they still using a prop-pitch to turn it or do you supply your own?

A simple cover could be added. The chain lays horizontal so water could stay in top. A yearly inspection and lube is suggested over using grease, which will collect dust. Also flip the chain over to evenly wear the pins.

I'm not familiar with the new designs, but you could lay a sheet of Teflon under the chain to support it if its hanging/flexing. Then flip the sheet over every year as well.

I was warned away from Sky needles many years ago, but still think they are neat towers.

Dino - KX6D

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*From:* CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Mpridesti via groups.io <mpridesti@...>
*Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2021 9:24:52 AM
*To:* CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
*Subject:* [CrankupTiltoverTowers] Skyneedle 70 ft
Sent an email (twice) to the manufacturer of the Skyneedle asking for their recommendations for protecting the chain from rust that drives the rotation of the 2 inch mast (rotor box along side of the top of the tower). Never got a reply.

My guess they do not supply a cover for chain so no avoiding the rust. So maybe a heavy layer of grease is required?  Suggestions wanted.

Regards,

Mark, K1RX







TM-370HD rotor cage chain

Mpridesti
 

Further clarification on the sky needle post

It’s a TM370HD and it’s rotor cage I am questioning the chain drive protection. Any suggestions on how to minimize the rusting on that chain?

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


On Jun 14, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:


Are they still using a prop-pitch to turn it or do you supply your own?

A simple cover could be added. The chain lays horizontal so water could stay in top. A yearly inspection and lube is suggested over using grease, which will collect dust. Also flip the chain over to evenly wear the pins.

I'm not familiar with the new designs, but you could lay a sheet of Teflon under the chain to support it if its hanging/flexing. Then flip the sheet over every year as well.

I was warned away from Sky needles many years ago, but still think they are neat towers.

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Mpridesti via groups.io <mpridesti@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 9:24:52 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] Skyneedle 70 ft
 
Sent an email (twice) to the manufacturer of the Skyneedle asking for their recommendations for protecting the chain from rust that drives the rotation of the 2 inch mast (rotor box along side of the top of the tower). Never got a reply.

My guess they do not supply a cover for chain so no avoiding the rust. So maybe a heavy layer of grease is required?  Suggestions wanted.

Regards,

Mark, K1RX








Re: New DX-70

Damon - KJ7E
 

Thanks Dino, I have the same thoughts.


County inspector just left, didn't even take 10 min and he signed off on it!  Time to get some concrete!


Re: New DX-70

Dino Darling
 

Its actually on the outside of the concrete base. Some people will use lawn staples to hold it against the wall so it doesn't go in and out of the concrete. You can also use pvc pipe, carve a slot in the wall, and pin it. The cable runs inside and you can later fill it with grout or sand.

The idea is to get the ground rod deep.

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Joe Cucuzza via groups.io <cucuzza18@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 11:20:14 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] New DX-70
 
I'm no expert on grounding.
Is that a ground wire in the hole?
Please get some opinions regarding ground wires in concrete bases.
73
Joe KA8WEP

On 6/14/2021 12:57 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io wrote:

I do appreciate the feed back and don't mind being questioned, there are a lot of folks that may miss something and need additional supervision.


Re: Skyneedle 70 ft

Mpridesti
 

Dino

Thanks for the suggestions 

The rotor box holds a Yaesu G-2800 to a short mast/bearing to the chain over to the mast (20 ft chromoly) and bearing. 

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


On Jun 14, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Dino Darling <dino@...> wrote:


Are they still using a prop-pitch to turn it or do you supply your own?

A simple cover could be added. The chain lays horizontal so water could stay in top. A yearly inspection and lube is suggested over using grease, which will collect dust. Also flip the chain over to evenly wear the pins.

I'm not familiar with the new designs, but you could lay a sheet of Teflon under the chain to support it if its hanging/flexing. Then flip the sheet over every year as well.

I was warned away from Sky needles many years ago, but still think they are neat towers.

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Mpridesti via groups.io <mpridesti@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 9:24:52 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] Skyneedle 70 ft
 
Sent an email (twice) to the manufacturer of the Skyneedle asking for their recommendations for protecting the chain from rust that drives the rotation of the 2 inch mast (rotor box along side of the top of the tower). Never got a reply.

My guess they do not supply a cover for chain so no avoiding the rust. So maybe a heavy layer of grease is required?  Suggestions wanted.

Regards,

Mark, K1RX








Re: New DX-70

Damon - KJ7E
 

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 08:20 PM, Joe Cucuzza wrote:
I'm no expert on grounding.
Is that a ground wire in the hole?
Please get some opinions regarding ground wires in concrete bases.
73
Joe KA8WEP
If you ask for 10 opinions on this, you will get 20 answers.   Yes, it is part of my overall ground system.  I will not be running the wire through the concrete, but along the wall tucked up in a slot in the dirt.


Re: New DX-70

Joe Cucuzza
 

I'm no expert on grounding.
Is that a ground wire in the hole?
Please get some opinions regarding ground wires in concrete bases.
73
Joe KA8WEP

On 6/14/2021 12:57 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io wrote:

I do appreciate the feed back and don't mind being questioned, there are a lot of folks that may miss something and need additional supervision.


Re: New DX-70

Damon - KJ7E
 

I do appreciate the feed back and don't mind being questioned, there are a lot of folks that may miss something and need additional supervision.


Re: Skyneedle 70 ft

Dino Darling
 

Are they still using a prop-pitch to turn it or do you supply your own?

A simple cover could be added. The chain lays horizontal so water could stay in top. A yearly inspection and lube is suggested over using grease, which will collect dust. Also flip the chain over to evenly wear the pins.

I'm not familiar with the new designs, but you could lay a sheet of Teflon under the chain to support it if its hanging/flexing. Then flip the sheet over every year as well.

I was warned away from Sky needles many years ago, but still think they are neat towers.

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Mpridesti via groups.io <mpridesti@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 9:24:52 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] Skyneedle 70 ft
 
Sent an email (twice) to the manufacturer of the Skyneedle asking for their recommendations for protecting the chain from rust that drives the rotation of the 2 inch mast (rotor box along side of the top of the tower). Never got a reply.

My guess they do not supply a cover for chain so no avoiding the rust. So maybe a heavy layer of grease is required?  Suggestions wanted.

Regards,

Mark, K1RX








Re: New DX-70

Dino Darling
 

Awesome! Can't wait to see it when its done!

Dino - KX6D


From: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io> on behalf of Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 9:42:12 AM
To: CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io <CrankupTiltoverTowers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CrankupTiltoverTowers] New DX-70
 

[Edited Message Follows]

No, there is no basement.

Keep in mind, I had to have a GeoTech inspect, test the soil and stamp reports and GMED to review and stamp everything.  This is one of the reasons it took me 9 months to get the permit.  I have a book 3" think of reviews, docs, and stamps.  Including setback from the wall and roof clearance.


Re: New DX-70

Ted
 

Great!!
Sounds like you're good to go!!
Good Luck...👍
73,
TedK2QMF

On 6/14/2021 12:42:16 PM, Damon - KJ7E via groups.io <damon.stewart@...> wrote:

No, there is no basement.

Keep in mind, I had to have a GeoTech inspect, test the soil and stamp reports and GMED to review and stamp everything.  This is one of the reasons it took me 9 months to get the permit.  I have a book 3" think of reviews, docs, and stamps.