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Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 

Yes that’s what was there a exit block but no mast plate. So like I said the angle was severe. I plan to put an mast plate etc . Should be good to go. I took the exit block out and went with a plate instead seemed to line up better . I will post some pics when I have it reinstalled

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Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

KWKloeber
 

Rich

It’s no different than them exiting thru exit blocks in the mast.  You need to either
- Bring them out exit blocks 
- Install a mast plate with shackled swivel blocks
- Install on deck halyard turning blocks. 
Each one garhauer has, only need your credit card number. 😎



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Pre-loved '84 C-30 trbsfk mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
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Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 

I believe it was changed out. It’s the old style I believe? Oval can’t find parts such as bottom mast plate etc

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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 

I can get a picture. I have removed the conduit and plan on not reinstalling it. 

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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 

Mine come out 12” from the bottom and they are on either side of the mast. It makes it very difficult to turn them back into the cock pit. When I put the mast back up and re -rig them it’s gonna be a severe angle. Down and back to the deck organizer. Any ideas?

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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

Bill Sherman
 

Rich

Remove the conduit that holds the halyards.

I can see all kinds of problems arising from it. Like rubbing against the tubing where it exits the mast.

I think that conduit was installed by a PO thinking he was improving the system.

I wonder if your mast was changed out at some time?

 

Bill Sherman

Cat 30 1979

 

 

 

From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich Bennett
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:51 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Halyards

 

The are good , new ball bearing . The main issue is that there’s no way to secure the conduit to the mast. There was a clamp of some kind down low where you could reach it from the bottom but that failed and the conduit falls down pinching the halyard and getting it stuck as it breaks . 


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Re: Halyards

Bill Sherman
 

Rich

I have worked on many cat30 mast both up and down.

I have yet to see a conduit for the halyards on any year of the Cat30

Do you have a pic ?

 

Bill Sherman

Cat 30 1979

 

From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich Bennett
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:09 PM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Halyards

 

Yes I’ve heard about that method . But thought it to difficult for the halyard conduit. The electrical conduit is in good shape . 


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Re: Halyards

Bill Sherman
 

Having all the slots at the same height will weaken the mast.

 

Bill Sherman

Cat 30 1979

 

 

From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of } for testing { ?? via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 7:25 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Halyards

 

Bill

Why is that?  I don’t know that I’ve taken notice on the boats I’ve been on, but I’m not a pointy end crew. 


On Jun 21, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Bill Sherman <bsherman@...> wrote:

The slots for the exit holes should be staggered, not side by side 😉

 


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Re: Halyards

} for testing { 🤞
 

Bill
Why is that?  I don’t know that I’ve taken notice on the boats I’ve been on, but I’m not a pointy end crew. 


On Jun 21, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Bill Sherman <bsherman@...> wrote:

The slots for the exit holes should be staggered, not side by side 😉

 


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Re: Halyards

Bill Sherman
 

The slots for the exit holes should be staggered, not side by side 😉

 

Bill Sherman

Cat30 1979

 

From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chet, N8RA
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:40 PM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Halyards

 

Rich,

They exit about 6’ above the deck to make it easy to pull down on them to raise the main or bend on the head sail, or to wrap onto a lower winch on the mast about 3’. We do not have them led back to the cockpit.

Chet S
SV: Miracleau
1977 C-30 MkI #633 SRSK Beta20
Westbrook, CT



From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich Bennett
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 4:16 PM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Halyards

Chet
Where do your halyards exit the mast ? Are close to the deck or up higher?

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Re: Halyards

Chet, N8RA
 

Rich,

They exit about 6’ above the deck to make it easy to pull down on them to raise the main or bend on the head sail, or to wrap onto a lower winch on the mast about 3’. We do not have them led back to the cockpit.

Chet S
SV: Miracleau
1977 C-30 MkI #633 SRSK Beta20
Westbrook, CT



From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich Bennett
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 4:16 PM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Halyards

Chet
Where do your halyards exit the mast ? Are close to the deck or up higher?

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Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: How to remove Signet depth transducer?

Michael Neben
 

We also put the transducer inside the hull. Use a wax toilet ring (cheap at the hardware store) to create a " squishy" blob and press the transducer firmly into it. We put ours on the floor of the v-berth in front of the extra water tank. Easily accessible and it reads through the fiberglass fine. Just give it a little more offset.

Michael D. Neben
Good Life 
C30 Dana Point, CA





On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:28 PM John Blackmar <blackmar1@...> wrote:
Lucine

On our c30 the original transducer is not the same size as today’s transducers. We opted to leave the original in place and put a garmin transducer that is attached to the inside of the hull and has glycol poured into the housing. It’s accurate only thing we do not get is water temperature. We also do not have another hole in the boat. 

Good luck 
Burton 




On Jun 20, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Lucien Harriot <lucien@...> wrote:

Thank you!
All the responses have been super helpful.
The pictures also show what I might be getting into.
Yes.. checking the transducer over the side before we do all this is a great idea.
Love the idea of hanging the boat during lunch or at the end of the day to give us time to fix it. Will yards typically let someone get into the boat while hanging?
Although we may just wait till the end of the season to do this job once she's away for the winter.
Thank you!


Re: Halyards

Max Munger
 

Normally, any electrical wiring is run in a conduit riveted to the mast. There is no reason to run halyards in a conduit.

What purpose is keeping ‘them’ tight? Halyards should be taut to prevent slapping around whether in or out of mast.

 

Max Munger, 410-353-1150c

 

From: Catalina30@groups.io [mailto:Catalina30@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich Bennett
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: [catalina30] Halyards

 

Hello all
first time posting here. Can anyone shed some light on internal halyards being in a conduit or not? 
My boat was built with external halyards and later converted to internal. My problem is the conduit has failed so halyards don’t work well if at all. Do they need to be in a conduit? 

I have the mast off but I see no way to replace them as the mast head is welded on? If I keep them tight when not in use I should be fine yes?
Thanks Rich 
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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


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Re: How to remove Signet depth transducer?

John Blackmar
 

Lucine

On our c30 the original transducer is not the same size as today’s transducers. We opted to leave the original in place and put a garmin transducer that is attached to the inside of the hull and has glycol poured into the housing. It’s accurate only thing we do not get is water temperature. We also do not have another hole in the boat. 

Good luck 
Burton 




On Jun 20, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Lucien Harriot <lucien@...> wrote:

Thank you!
All the responses have been super helpful.
The pictures also show what I might be getting into.
Yes.. checking the transducer over the side before we do all this is a great idea.
Love the idea of hanging the boat during lunch or at the end of the day to give us time to fix it. Will yards typically let someone get into the boat while hanging?
Although we may just wait till the end of the season to do this job once she's away for the winter.
Thank you!


Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 

Chet
Where do your halyards exit the mast ? Are close to the deck or up higher?

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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 

Yes I’ve heard about that method . But thought it to difficult for the halyard conduit. The electrical conduit is in good shape . 

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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

Rich Bennett
 


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Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: Halyards

Chet, N8RA
 

Hi Rich,

Our good old ’77 also had external halyards but a few years ago when the mast was unstepped for the winter we moved them internal.

We did not put the halyards in conduit, only added one for the wiring. The hardest part was getting the old wiring out. For the wiring conduit, we drilled holes for pop rivets up the mast every 3 feet and then, with the holes pointing down, inserted the conduit for the wiring. Starting at one end, it is easy to reach in and hold down the conduit while drilling its first rivet hole using the first mast hole as a drill guide. Popped the first rivet, and found the conduit held down sufficiently to allow drilling the next hole and pop it. Repeat. I believe I broke the wiring conduit into two pieces to have a gap at the spreaders to get the motoring and deck light wires out there. The man and headsail halyards were then carefully strung so to stay away from each other and run freely inside. We’ve had no problem with them, nor any internal slapping.

I could send you pictures of what we did if interested.


Chet S
SV: Miracleau
1977 C-30 MkI #633 SRSK Beta20
Westbrook, CT





From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich Bennett
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: [catalina30] Halyards

Hello all
first time posting here. Can anyone shed some light on internal halyards being in a conduit or not?
My boat was built with external halyards and later converted to internal. My problem is the conduit has failed so halyards don’t work well if at all. Do they need to be in a conduit?

I have the mast off but I see no way to replace them as the mast head is welded on? If I keep them tight when not in use I should be fine yes?
Thanks Rich
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C30 1976 #148
Lake Coeur D Alene , Idaho


Re: How to remove Signet depth transducer?

James McMullen
 

Marine Grade DeBond will soften just about any caulking including 
5200. It's amazing stuff. I use it for all my thru hull remove and replacement jobs.
Jim McMullen 
87 C30 



Re: How to remove Signet depth transducer?

John Osborne
 

A couple of years ago I added a chart plotter at the helm. It accepts a feed from a depth transducer or even a fish sonar transducer. Of course it needed a different transducer than was a thru hull already installed with my original Signet depth sounder located in the engine compartment.

I kept the old system in place and added a new transducer under the V birth next to the knot meter sensor. The new transducer works thru the hull without the need to drill a hole and install. I placed it in a bed of slow cure epoxy ensuring there were no bubbles between the hull and the transducer that would effect the accuracy.

The new transducer allows for an angle in the hull to be offset allowing the transducer to send its beam straight down making it even more accurate. 

Perhaps you can find a compatible transducer that will shoot thru the hull not requiring a hole and save yourself the trouble of removing and replacing the old transducer.

Additionally, the distance from the helm to the forward location was longer than the cable would reach. I also wanted to be able to run this cable inside the existing 1” support tubing at the helm that would be impossible with the connector installed. I bought a cable extension and also a cable splice connector. With some patience, I was able to run the cable as desired and all works well. 

Having the depth info at the helm instead of the bulkhead has worked well. There is always a crew member standing directly in front when we are in shallow water and trying not to put it aground. 


John Osborne



On Jun 20, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Lucien Harriot <lucien@...> wrote:

Thank you!
All the responses have been super helpful.
The pictures also show what I might be getting into.
Yes.. checking the transducer over the side before we do all this is a great idea.
Love the idea of hanging the boat during lunch or at the end of the day to give us time to fix it. Will yards typically let someone get into the boat while hanging?
Although we may just wait till the end of the season to do this job once she's away for the winter.
Thank you!

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1984 #3522 M25
SRFKNBS