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Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

KWKloeber
 

Steve
😎 After you have the boat for a while longer you’ll start to figure out all the shenanigans with parts and dealers and distributors on the iNet and who rips you off and who doesn’t.  😡Yes MPS is free ship over 100 (unless special order.)  If I order it for you at dealer cost postage would probably be $8 or so. 
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Ken Kloeber
Pre-loved '84 C-30 ftrkbs mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did.  So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.   - Mark Twain


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

Steve
 
Edited

I missed that message sorry, did that include shipping? The order is free shipping so that is included in the price, I work for eBay so I try to use the site as much as I can but I already ordered it.
Steve

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:13 AM KWKloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Steve
 
As I explained the "ebay seller" is a marine distributor and a ZF distributor.
If you want to overpay, YBYC but you can get it for less.  Actually from the same distributor for $240,
 
Call Alesia  (810) 364-7653  and ask her why they're charging more on ebay???? and to give you their website price of $240 !!!
 
Or I could order it for you - $215.

From: Catalina30@groups.io [mailto:Catalina30@groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there


I used Zinc Phosphate primer from West Marine, they don't sell the other paint anymore, then ford blue engine paint, came out great, covered the holes with tape again to keep out FOD and installed a new zinc. Just need to get my gasket material from the boat and make 2 new gaskets, he would out of them.
Total value $163 so not bad and it's like new.
The eBay seller sent me this picture of the damper so it is new and it's made by SACHS he buys them from ZF Marine so it's ordered.
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Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25

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Ken Kloeber
Pre-loved '84 C-30 ftrkbs mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did.  So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.   - Mark Twain



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Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

KWKloeber
 
Edited


Steve
 
As I explained the "ebay seller" is a marine distributor and a ZF distributor.
If you want to overpay, YBYC but you can get it for less.  Actually from the same distributor for $240,
 
Call Alesia  (810) 364-7653  and ask her why they're charging more on ebay???? and to give you their website price of $240 !!!
 
Or I could order it for you - $215.

From: Catalina30@groups.io [mailto:Catalina30@groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there


I used Zinc Phosphate primer from West Marine, they don't sell the other paint anymore, then ford blue engine paint, came out great, covered the holes with tape again to keep out FOD and installed a new zinc. Just need to get my gasket material from the boat and make 2 new gaskets, he would out of them.
Total value $163 so not bad and it's like new.
The eBay seller sent me this picture of the damper so it is new and it's made by SACHS he buys them from ZF Marine so it's ordered.

s-l1600.jpg

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Steve 
Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25

Virus-free. www.avg.com

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Ken Kloeber
Pre-loved '84 C-30 ftrkbs mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did.  So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.   - Mark Twain


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

Steve
 
Edited


I used Zinc Phosphate primer from West Marine, they don't sell the other paint anymore, then ford blue engine paint, came out great, covered the holes with tape again to keep out FOD and installed a new zinc. Just need to get my gasket material from the boat and make 2 new gaskets, he would out of them.
Total value $163 so not bad and it's like new.
The eBay seller sent me this picture of the damper so it is new and it's made by SACHS he buys them from ZF Marine so it's ordered.



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Steve 
Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25


Re: Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron Waclawik
 

Have not experienced anything yet.... have yet to spend the nite with it.  

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From: "KWKloeber via Groups.Io" <KWKloeber@...>
Date: 6/16/19 1:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Does this new model beep? I’ve heard complaints that beeping (mornings) and start/stop is annoying while she’s charging up enuf to run the fan continuously. 


Re: Nicro 4" Solar Fan

KWKloeber
 

Does this new model beep? I’ve heard complaints that beeping (mornings) and start/stop is annoying while she’s charging up enuf to run the fan continuously. 

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Ken Kloeber
Pre-loved '84 C-30 ftrkbs mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did.  So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.   - Mark Twain


Re: Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron Waclawik
 

John... forgot... the diameter of the new unit is 10".  The old unit, 9".  It is also taller, esp. at the outside edge.  I had to relocate a block on my mast step plate to clear the new unit.  No big deal, but know it's not a plug and play affair dimensionwise when replacing the old style unit.  

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From: "John Jennings via Groups.Io" <johnwjennings@...>
Date: 6/16/19 11:13 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron

How much larger is the mounting hole?


John Jennings
94, 6225, TRBSWK


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From: Ron Waclawik via Groups.Io <waclawik@...>
To: Catalina30 <Catalina30@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 4:30 pm
Subject: [catalina30] Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Happy to report that after half a day's struggle, I got the redesigned 4" fan unit installed.  This new unit is a quantum quality leap above the piece of crap most of us still have installed.  Has access to battery without any disassembly :)  Has ON/OFF   and IN/OUT  switch, even a cute little LED.  Nice unit overall.  Just slightly larger in diameter than the original.


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

KWKloeber
 

Auto parts rattle cans

Ken

Sent from my phone

On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Steve <esellscom@...> wrote:

Thanks Ken, yes he uses Zinc Chromate paint, will have to see if anyone around here carries it.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:06 AM KWKloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Check RC’s (Mainesail) website- he goes thru refurbing one and might speak about the paint?
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Ken Kloeber
Pre-loved '84 C-30 ftrkbs mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did.  So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.   - Mark Twain



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Steve Perea
eSells
720-352-5800

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Ken Kloeber
Pre-loved '84 C-30 ftrkbs mk-I CTYN3573M84E w/a '83 M-25 s/n 411323
Lake Norman NC; Formerly Buffalo Harbor NY
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did.  So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.   - Mark Twain


Re: Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron Waclawik
 

The new unit requires a 4 3/4" hole.  I had trouble with a trim sleeve I found within the opening, so the new unit would not slip in.  I had to painstakingly saw it into thirds with a bare hacksaw blade,  then pry the pieces out, along with gobs of 5200 sealant holding it.  I then sanded the hole back up to 4 3/4" with a drill mounted 2" sanding drum, then finished by hand.  Then, I cleaned with acetone, and epoxied the core end grain and exposed glass. A few hours later, I finished the install.  New unit MUCH improved quality.  The exposed solar panel is not accessible from the topside, and is fully sealed.  My old unit failed due to water intrusion from a degraded O ring that holds the solar panel disc.... :(    

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From: "John Jennings via Groups.Io" <johnwjennings@...>
Date: 6/16/19 11:13 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron

How much larger is the mounting hole?


John Jennings
94, 6225, TRBSWK


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Waclawik via Groups.Io <waclawik@...>
To: Catalina30 <Catalina30@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 4:30 pm
Subject: [catalina30] Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Happy to report that after half a day's struggle, I got the redesigned 4" fan unit installed.  This new unit is a quantum quality leap above the piece of crap most of us still have installed.  Has access to battery without any disassembly :)  Has ON/OFF   and IN/OUT  switch, even a cute little LED.  Nice unit overall.  Just slightly larger in diameter than the original.


Re: Nicro 4" Solar Fan

John Jennings
 

Ron

How much larger is the mounting hole?


John Jennings
94, 6225, TRBSWK


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Waclawik via Groups.Io <waclawik@...>
To: Catalina30 <Catalina30@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 4:30 pm
Subject: [catalina30] Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Happy to report that after half a day's struggle, I got the redesigned 4" fan unit installed.  This new unit is a quantum quality leap above the piece of crap most of us still have installed.  Has access to battery without any disassembly :)  Has ON/OFF   and IN/OUT  switch, even a cute little LED.  Nice unit overall.  Just slightly larger in diameter than the original.


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

Steve
 

I planned on replacing it along with rebuilding the transmission and replacing the hoses. Also the log hose once the transmission is done I will pull the boat out of the water and do the log, check the cutlass, new zinc on the shaft etc.


On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 2:06 PM KWKloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Steve
thats the plate. Are you replacing yours?

It’s ZF, not a knock off.  MPS is a ZF distributor who started selling retail under a pseudonym, thereby screwing its dealers (who put and kept them in business for so many years.). Ahh, the internet...

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Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

Steve
 

I just mean if the hose is 1" you would want a clamp that starts at 3/4 inch so you don't just start clamping on the first couple turns, I don't know if there is a recommended minimum size for a hose size like 1" to 2" clamp for a 1 1/4 inch hose, not a clamp that starts at 1 1/4 inch which is the same size as the hose.

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Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25


Re: Oberdorfer water pump - impeller stuck on shaft

KWKloeber
 

Dennis

driving the shaft out using a punch or solid rod with the impeller securely supported didn’t work?   Strange. 
Is the end of the shaft peened over as it seems to look?

If you can bite the bullet it would be best to get rid of that whole Rube Goldberg adapter setup. 
By the time you buy a shaft, new seals, a bearing, and impeller to refurb the -07.......


Re: Oberdorfer water pump - impeller stuck on shaft

 

Ken, 

Sometimes I cringe when I post things because of the potential consequences and answers to the question that I don't really want to hear. That being said, yes, there's marring/ scoring on the shaft that I did because of my efforts to remove the impeller from the shaft. I've still not had any luck in separating the two pieces. I think my next step will be to buy a replacement shaft and go from there. To confirm, the Oberdorfer pump we have is the N202M-07 GKC (I have a pic of the cover plate).

As always, I greatly appreciate everyone's thoughts and input. 


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

KWKloeber
 

Steve
thats the plate. Are you replacing yours?

It’s ZF, not a knock off.  MPS is a ZF distributor who started selling retail under a pseudonym, thereby screwing its dealers (who put and kept them in business for so many years.). Ahh, the internet...

ooops. Soapbox ⤵️


Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron Waclawik
 

Happy to report that after half a day's struggle, I got the redesigned 4" fan unit installed.  This new unit is a quantum quality leap above the piece of crap most of us still have installed.  Has access to battery without any disassembly :)  Has ON/OFF   and IN/OUT  switch, even a cute little LED.  Nice unit overall.  Just slightly larger in diameter than the original.


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

KWKloeber
 

Steve

There’s hose sizes across the spectrum so I wouldn’t say there’s a most for you - from 1/2” water lines to 1-5/8 exhaust.
You can look up the manufacturer’s OD based on what hose it is but If you add 1/4” to size and use the midrange if the clamp you won’t go wrong.  I hate overly long tails hanging out so tend to pick them per the exact hose OD. 
Don't know what you mean indents to “start at” - As long as you have ridges engaged on the complete worm drive you don’t need any amount of excess hanging out. 


Re: Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild and while I am in there

Steve
 


On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 12:55 PM sgalper2000 <sgalper@...> wrote:
Defender web site says those clamps are 316 stainless. At $2.99 each. So the Ebay listing is a good deal.
Stan Galper

On June 14, 2019 11:06:19 AM EDT, Bill Sherman <bsherman@...> wrote:
Steve

I did not see any mention of the clamps being SS ?



Bill Sherman

Cat 30 1979





From: Catalina30@groups.io <Catalina30@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 8:00 AM
To: Catalina30@groups.io
Subject: Re: [catalina30] Pulling the M25 transmission for a rebuild
and while I am in there



Just bought a set of these clamps, gov surplus, they look good, any
comments?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/262387596419

$20 with tax. I don't want any of those perforated clamps again.

ABA 22-32 Hose Clamps SAE #12 7/8" - 1 1/4" Package of 10.



On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:51 AM KWKloeber via Groups.Io
<KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io <mailto:aol.com@groups.io> > wrote:



7 psi cap

Bill


7 - Where so 🤔
The Ops manual?
5424 “Parts” below shows 15 psi, ditto M25/XP.

IIRC the cap SKamp sells for it (Stant) is 13, maybe 14 (CRS.)

15-ish is pretty standard I thought that 7 doesn’t give much added
protection?








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Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington

81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25

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Razors Edge, Cap Sante Marina, Anacortes Washington
81 Catalina 30 Std rig #2522 M-25


Nicro 4" Solar Fan

Ron Waclawik
 

Well, my old 4" nicro solar fan bit the dust.  Replaced the battery, no help.  No obvious signs of issues.  Just dead.    So.... I ordered a new one from DEDENDER.  Wouldn't you know, the unit has been redesigned, and is an inch larger in diameter.... Also, the mounting hole has to be enlarged.  The main deal breaker is that the larger outside diameter bumps into a deck fitting up top (PO installed it.)  So, I'm returning it.  Question is:  would anyone know of any sources for old stock... before the redesign??  


Re: ice chest drain

} for testing { 🤞
 

Lloyd

I THINK I used 1/2 OD but that was a LONG time ago. I had to put a wrap or two of electrical tape on it to tighten the fit, and made a bulge out of tape so it doesn’t slide all the way down into the hole.

Option- foot pump to the sink drain.
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