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A Ubitx controlled by mouse or laptop, is this possible? laptop


Gerard
 

Hello,
How about a night out?
I was wondering if it was possible to connect a mouse on the Ubitx. Has anyone ever had this idea?
I think we can add USB ports, or use the one on the Arduino?
This would allow you to get rid of the encoder which sometimes poses noise problem.
The idea is this.
With the dial we control the frequency.
With the right and left click one moves in the different functions.
In this case, it would no longer be necessary to have a touch screen. Only screen

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.

Or a mix of the 2 because some use the Ubitx on mobile (??)
I am not a specialist in arduino and its programming. I do not know if this is feasible.
it would require a big development
Your opinion
cdt


Ashhar Farhan
 

The way it happens is through the CAT interface. You can use any of the several software like ham radio deluxe to control your radio via CAT protocol.
Ubitx emulates an FT817 radio to the controlling software.
- f

On Thu 22 Oct, 2020, 1:21 PM Gerard, <kabupos@...> wrote:
Hello,
How about a night out?
I was wondering if it was possible to connect a mouse on the Ubitx. Has anyone ever had this idea?
I think we can add USB ports, or use the one on the Arduino?
This would allow you to get rid of the encoder which sometimes poses noise problem.
The idea is this.
With the dial we control the frequency.
With the right and left click one moves in the different functions.
In this case, it would no longer be necessary to have a touch screen. Only screen

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.

Or a mix of the 2 because some use the Ubitx on mobile (??)
I am not a specialist in arduino and its programming. I do not know if this is feasible.
it would require a big development
Your opinion
cdt


Bill Cromwell
 

Hi,

It should be possible to use a computer mouse or trackball to control your uBitX (or other). Since there have been computer mice and trackballs there have been published projects that use them to operate antenna rotator controls and remote antenna tuners (probably more) without an intervening computer. Or lose the rotary encoder and program the built-in computer to read the mouse. Depending what causes 'noise' while tuning the mouse may or may not eliminate it.

The two line display will still be usable. The touch display could be kept. You could rig up some old seven-segment LED displays (Rube Goldberg?). You might have to rework the connectors on the mouse or for some mice you may have to make some kind of interface (depending on mouse details). I think most mice have optical and not mechanical contacts (except for switches 1, 2, and 3. Check out what is presented at the end of the mouse cable. Take a shot at it.

73,

Bill KU8H

bark less - wag more

On 10/22/20 3:51 AM, Gerard wrote:
Hello,
How about a night out?
I was wondering if it was possible to connect a mouse on the Ubitx.Has anyone ever had this idea?
I think we can add USB ports, or use the one on the Arduino?
This would allow you to get rid of the encoder which sometimes poses noise problem.
The idea is this.
With the dial we control the frequency.
With the right and left click one moves in the different functions.
In this case, it would no longer be necessary to have a touch screen. Only screen
Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.
Or a mix of the 2 because some use the Ubitx on mobile (??)
I am not a specialist in arduino and its programming. I do not know if this is feasible.
it would require a big development
Your opinion
cdt


Evan Hand
 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 03:34 AM, Ashhar Farhan wrote:
You can use any of the several software like ham radio deluxe
Farhan,
I went to find out more about Ham Radio Delux and was surprised that it is now a licensed software for $99.99, and then a $49 annual maintenance fee.  More than I would want to spend.  To top it off there was a HUGE controversy around "blacklisting" accounts that posted negative reviews.  So not sure that it would be a good source for remote control software.

The above was in 2017, so maybe they have straightened out.  There is still available the "free" version that it once was, however, it is not being updated, and not sure what will happen as Windows is updated with security patches.

There are other software packages available.  I have not tried any of them so do not have a recommendation.  Posting only because of what I found when I did an internet search for "ham radio deluxe."

73
Evan
AC9TU


W2CTX
 

From a historical perspective, TSW had a release that supported remote control and mouse
control. 

User Manual:

Custom control program:



On Thursday, October 22, 2020, 3:51:44 AM EDT, Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:


Hello,
How about a night out?
I was wondering if it was possible to connect a mouse on the Ubitx. Has anyone ever had this idea?
I think we can add USB ports, or use the one on the Arduino?
This would allow you to get rid of the encoder which sometimes poses noise problem.
The idea is this.
With the dial we control the frequency.
With the right and left click one moves in the different functions.
In this case, it would no longer be necessary to have a touch screen. Only screen

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.

Or a mix of the 2 because some use the Ubitx on mobile (??)
I am not a specialist in arduino and its programming. I do not know if this is feasible.
it would require a big development
Your opinion
cdt


Jim Sheldon
 

OK folks,
As W2CTX said, TSW did have stand-alone mouse/keyboard control using a Raduino replacement card we developed that used the more expensive Teensy 3.6.  It worked extremely well but very few wanted to spring the money for the Teensy 3.6 which cost around $30-35 plus shipping from PJRC.com as we could not (still can't) sell PJRC products as we are not dealers or distributors for them and any PJRC products (Teensy 4.0 or 4.1) would have to be purchased by the user.

We are considering a Raduino replacement card that is as close to size as possible to the factory uBITX V6 Raduino card but one that will NOT use a NANO but a Teensy 4.1 right from the start.  That will allow us to use the 4.1's built in and easily accessable USB Host mode for both Keyboard and Mouse control WITHOUT needing an external computer.  This would also leave the standard USB port on the Teensy for CAT control and program upload so the keyboard/mouse control functions would NOT interfere with CAT or programming functions.

As of this writing, the feasibility study is underway and hopefully within a couple of months we'll be able to report some sort of working product.

This initial project will utilize the 2.8" ILI9341 Color Touch display that HF Signals supplies with the V6.  We have no plans to make it work with a Nextion display which we consider to be a dead project since KD8CEC appears to have dissapeared and there have been no updates to his project or software in over a year now.  All email queries to him have gone unanswered so you guys thinking about the Nextion might re-consider the lack of support from the original designer.  If Dr. Lee shows back up then it's a different thing, but right now I wouldn't hold out much hope for that.

The reason for making the card pretty much the same size as the factory Raduino and using the original display is to keep the users from having to make any mechanical modifications to the nice factory supplied case that comes with the V6 full kit.  Our external CW jack and upcoming keyboard/mouse connections will be brought out via shielded cables through one or more of the cooling air slots in the rear of the case where the jacks can easily be mounted using the slots for the mounting screws as well. 

As this project progresses, I'll try to keep the group informed on our progress but right now it's only a concept and the TSW crew will be working diligently to make it work so you guys can have your requested features.

Another thing, for those who have or will install the V6 in cases of your own fabrication, you may be able to use larger displays up to and including 5" but the big displays will require very robust 5V and 3.3V regulators to power the displays.  The bigger displays are serious current hogs and this is one of the reasons Farhan stayed with the 2.8" display, to keep the ability of having one 7805 power everything on the Raduino (including the display). 

Just a few things to be thinking of in the coming weeks.  We are not promising anything, merely working on the initial concept at this time, but the TSW crew remains hopeful that we can come up with something that works.  We are NOT considering on-board audio filters or other such items, as there are easy add-on's out there and not everyone needs them.

Jim, W0EB
TSW Project Coordinator
Website www.w0eb.com


Arv Evans
 

Interesting thought.  With an open software system it is possible to 
do almost anything by just modifying the source code then re-compiling 
and re-installing.  

The mouse idea is interesting, but the mouse does include its own pair 
of rotary encoders.  It would be interesting to see if the rotary encoders 
in either manual or optical mice might cause the same click problem that 
some are complaining about.

Frequency control via a PC link is possible and is usually part of  a 
CAT control system.  Using a CAT control like is interesting because 
the CAT link data rate might be configured to a frequency that does 
not interfere with audio or high frequency sensitivities.  

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.


This suggests that a separate Arduino and small screen might be 
developed as a CAT link based controller and act as a separate control 
system for a headless uBITX transceiver.  This could work for mobile 
uBITX systems, or link over the Internet as a geographically separated 
remote control system.  

Arv
_._


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:51 AM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:
Hello,
How about a night out?
I was wondering if it was possible to connect a mouse on the Ubitx. Has anyone ever had this idea?
I think we can add USB ports, or use the one on the Arduino?
This would allow you to get rid of the encoder which sometimes poses noise problem.
The idea is this.
With the dial we control the frequency.
With the right and left click one moves in the different functions.
In this case, it would no longer be necessary to have a touch screen. Only screen

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.

Or a mix of the 2 because some use the Ubitx on mobile (??)
I am not a specialist in arduino and its programming. I do not know if this is feasible.
it would require a big development
Your opinion
cdt


Gary Anderson
 

Hi Jim,
Just some ideas to throw out for consideration in the concept phase before the TSW  team proceeds with a new prototype board layout.
W.r.t. Teensy 4.1:
Understand that the team may not be considering software support for Ethernet or the Audio adapter board.
If the pins used by these are kept open/free in your new hardware design, maybe other contributions will follow and your PCB would be the preferred solution.
This might already be what you are thinking. 

Other comments.
Use the Quadrature decoder for the encoder, and hardware interrupt capable pins for paddle, key and PTT.
Maybe some CW ops may want a key and a paddle plugged in at the same time without having to menu switch.

Again just ideas to float out there.

Best Regards,
Gary


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 07:52 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
We are NOT considering on-board audio filters or other such items, as there are easy add-on's out there and not everyone needs them.


Jim Sheldon
 

Hi Gary, 
Thanks for the thoughts.  They will be considered -- Probably won't go with Ethernet or the Quadrature decoder idea but you obviously haven't looked at the software we have out there for our T4-NANO adapter with the Teensy 4 and also our keyer that runs on the NANO.  You CAN have both a key and paddles connected at the same time as we use the PTT line for hand key and separate dot/dash lines for paddles.  Since PTT is used only in SSB mode, no reason not to use that line for hand key in CW and it takes precedence by interrupt over the paddles.  Nice thing about using PTT for hand key is that if you can't get through on SSB in an emergency and don't have a key with you, you can always use the PTT button on the microphone as an emergency key.  Works fine even if it IS hard to send decent CW with it - LOL.

As for the audio adapter board, PJRC's audio board had serious problems with the T4 and not sure they have that fixed yet so we will not even address it.  If it's possible to leave those pins free we will, but it's NOT a priority so not promising anything.  That's where it stands right now.  

Again, thanks.

Jim

------ Original Message ------
From: "Gary Anderson" <gary.ag5tx@...>
Sent: 10/22/2020 4:30:46 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] A Ubitx controlled by mouse or laptop, is this possible? laptop

Hi Jim,
Just some ideas to throw out for consideration in the concept phase before the TSW  team proceeds with a new prototype board layout.
W.r.t. Teensy 4.1:
Understand that the team may not be considering software support for Ethernet or the Audio adapter board.
If the pins used by these are kept open/free in your new hardware design, maybe other contributions will follow and your PCB would be the preferred solution.
This might already be what you are thinking. 

Other comments.
Use the Quadrature decoder for the encoder, and hardware interrupt capable pins for paddle, key and PTT.
Maybe some CW ops may want a key and a paddle plugged in at the same time without having to menu switch.

Again just ideas to float out there.

Best Regards,
Gary

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 07:52 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
We are NOT considering on-board audio filters or other such items, as there are easy add-on's out there and not everyone needs them.


David Barber
 


Hello:

Being new to the UBitX V6 I have been looking around for any PC/MaC/Smart Phone/Smart application. This is for external control of the UBitX via USB connection. Hoping that the application has typing to CW sending ability. Injury to my right hand in 2018 has affected CW sending ability using a strait key.  The following is a possible solution I ran  into on W0EB web site. I have not yet tried the solution do to lacking a 50 ohm dummy load for testing.

Go To:


& down load :

ubitx991cat_rcp.zip

contains two files

ubitx991cat_rcp.exe 
[Windows stand alone program]

w2ctx_rcpwithft991commands.pdf
[Documentation File]

One thing I need to see as a Blind individual using Windows screen access software to speech, will the application also work with keyboard commands. This is in addition to mouse commands.

Give this application
 a try. 

73 Dave WD8AJQ

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On Oct 22, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Interesting thought.  With an open software system it is possible to 
do almost anything by just modifying the source code then re-compiling 
and re-installing.  

The mouse idea is interesting, but the mouse does include its own pair 
of rotary encoders.  It would be interesting to see if the rotary encoders 
in either manual or optical mice might cause the same click problem that 
some are complaining about.

Frequency control via a PC link is possible and is usually part of  a 
CAT control system.  Using a CAT control like is interesting because 
the CAT link data rate might be configured to a frequency that does 
not interfere with audio or high frequency sensitivities.  

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.


This suggests that a separate Arduino and small screen might be 
developed as a CAT link based controller and act as a separate control 
system for a headless uBITX transceiver.  This could work for mobile 
uBITX systems, or link over the Internet as a geographically separated 
remote control system.  

Arv
_._


On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:51 AM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:
Hello,
How about a night out?
I was wondering if it was possible to connect a mouse on the Ubitx. Has anyone ever had this idea?
I think we can add USB ports, or use the one on the Arduino?
This would allow you to get rid of the encoder which sometimes poses noise problem.
The idea is this.
With the dial we control the frequency.
With the right and left click one moves in the different functions.
In this case, it would no longer be necessary to have a touch screen. Only screen

Another solution, no touch screen, no dial, no button.
Only a USB port connected to a laptop
A graphical emulation on the laptop that drives everything.

Or a mix of the 2 because some use the Ubitx on mobile (??)
I am not a specialist in arduino and its programming. I do not know if this is feasible.
it would require a big development
Your opinion
cdt