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Spurious Emission Measurement on stock uBitX

ajparent1/KB1GMX
 

Iz oos, Arv, and all...

That test was CW mode so harmonics would be the prime issue.  It is required
to be SSB  for the spurs (and harmonics) to appear.  Its the difference between
how one is done CW is direct Frequency against the other SSB which is converted
fro 45mhz to the signal frequency.

If you do not keep track of the mode you will run off lost into the weeds.

Allison

JJ1FXF
 

Looking at the “strongest spur frequency” column, 42.4700MHz spur was -41.1dBc at 21.2250MHz row.

However, with AT, the 42.4700 spur was dropped to only -45.6dBc which tendency is different from other bands.

Then looking at the 28.8500MHz rows, 14.4270MHz spur was observed as the strongest without AT, but 43.3000MHz was the strongest spur with AT.

Maybe this Pi-C AT does not work efficiently above 30++MHz?

I don’t know. So additional LFP which cuts above 30MHz may be a good trial.

I’ll do it next time, maybe after casing my uBitX.

// hiro, JJ1FXF



2018年8月18日(土) 5:21 iz oos <and2oosiz2@...>:

Arv,
I said that on the basis of the results shown in the table by Hiro. At 15m he has shown the biggest spur at 42Mhz not the one Allison first detected on 23Mhz. For the one at 42Mhz a CB low pass should suffice.


Il 17/ago/2018 20:13, "Arv Evans" <arvid.evans@...> ha scritto:
Iz Oos

Might not want to encourage uBITX users to expect that a CB filter will make it legal
on 15 meters.  The 15M spur is in the 23 MHz range so would not be attenuated by
a 30 MHz LPF.

Arv K7HKL
_._


On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:

Hi Hiro, nice analysis, if I understand right if you add also any 30mhz (also like CB) lowpass filter you may transmit on 15m band. Isn't? Is the Trio tuner a simple pi-tuner? I have just done a variable low pass filter with a double 450pf air variable capacitor a six position switch and a 130-7 toroid and looking at PC the results from my antenna analyzer it seems better than expected.


Il 17/ago/2018 16:39, "JJ1FXF" <jj1fxf@...> ha scritto:
Hi, all.

Attached is a PDF file which shows the results of measuing spurious emission on my uBitX which I haven't modified its hardware/software at all.

Here, in Japan, the spurious emission should be less than -50dBc and so the list indicates I can use my uBitX with a Pi-C antenna tuner, but not on 15m unfortunately.

This time, I checked only the CW transmission beccause I had a problem to measure SSB case. It would be very much appreciated if someone could advise to me.

To measure the spurious emission on SSB, at first I need to saturate the PA output by the mic input of so called "pseudo voice" that is 1.5kHz sine wave, and when the output is saturated by increasing the input leve, then 80% of the input level will be used to measuer spurious emission, the Lab guy explained to me.

However, uBitX output won't be saturated which means I couldn't observe the flat level of PA output as increasing the input (pseudo voice) level, but suddenly the output level falls down to a few mW.

The Lab guy said it would be because uBitX didn't have an ALC - Auto Level Controller of the mic input.

So please advise to me how I can saturate the output (PA) level with such a "pseudo voice" input? Maybe bring an external mic compressor? However, how can I observe the flat level of PA output?

Thank you for reading my long email. Hope someone can help me. If you are interested in screen shots of the spurious analyzer, feel free to email me.

BR,

// hiro, JJ1FXF





JJ1FXF
 

Allison san,

Thanks for your info. I tried some apps from Apple Store and seemed any of them might be OK.

I will plot the PA output level as increasing the volume of iPhone.

// hiro, JJ1FXF



2018年8月18日(土) 2:59 ajparent1/KB1GMX <kb1gmx@...>:

Hiro san,

To do testing on SSB a audio tone signal source is needed. There are aps for android
and Iphone that do this.  The procedure is generate the 1.5khz tone and inject it into
the microphone input.  Turn audio source volume up until power does not increase
then reduce to the specified 80% of max power for each band.  Repeat this on a
per band basis for best results.  Note power out used for that band.


Allison

iz oos
 

Arv,
I said that on the basis of the results shown in the table by Hiro. At 15m he has shown the biggest spur at 42Mhz not the one Allison first detected on 23Mhz. For the one at 42Mhz a CB low pass should suffice.


Il 17/ago/2018 20:13, "Arv Evans" <arvid.evans@...> ha scritto:
Iz Oos

Might not want to encourage uBITX users to expect that a CB filter will make it legal
on 15 meters.  The 15M spur is in the 23 MHz range so would not be attenuated by
a 30 MHz LPF.

Arv K7HKL
_._


On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:

Hi Hiro, nice analysis, if I understand right if you add also any 30mhz (also like CB) lowpass filter you may transmit on 15m band. Isn't? Is the Trio tuner a simple pi-tuner? I have just done a variable low pass filter with a double 450pf air variable capacitor a six position switch and a 130-7 toroid and looking at PC the results from my antenna analyzer it seems better than expected.


Il 17/ago/2018 16:39, "JJ1FXF" <jj1fxf@...> ha scritto:
Hi, all.

Attached is a PDF file which shows the results of measuing spurious emission on my uBitX which I haven't modified its hardware/software at all.

Here, in Japan, the spurious emission should be less than -50dBc and so the list indicates I can use my uBitX with a Pi-C antenna tuner, but not on 15m unfortunately.

This time, I checked only the CW transmission beccause I had a problem to measure SSB case. It would be very much appreciated if someone could advise to me.

To measure the spurious emission on SSB, at first I need to saturate the PA output by the mic input of so called "pseudo voice" that is 1.5kHz sine wave, and when the output is saturated by increasing the input leve, then 80% of the input level will be used to measuer spurious emission, the Lab guy explained to me.

However, uBitX output won't be saturated which means I couldn't observe the flat level of PA output as increasing the input (pseudo voice) level, but suddenly the output level falls down to a few mW.

The Lab guy said it would be because uBitX didn't have an ALC - Auto Level Controller of the mic input.

So please advise to me how I can saturate the output (PA) level with such a "pseudo voice" input? Maybe bring an external mic compressor? However, how can I observe the flat level of PA output?

Thank you for reading my long email. Hope someone can help me. If you are interested in screen shots of the spurious analyzer, feel free to email me.

BR,

// hiro, JJ1FXF





Arv Evans
 

Iz Oos

Might not want to encourage uBITX users to expect that a CB filter will make it legal
on 15 meters.  The 15M spur is in the 23 MHz range so would not be attenuated by
a 30 MHz LPF.

Arv K7HKL
_._


On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:

Hi Hiro, nice analysis, if I understand right if you add also any 30mhz (also like CB) lowpass filter you may transmit on 15m band. Isn't? Is the Trio tuner a simple pi-tuner? I have just done a variable low pass filter with a double 450pf air variable capacitor a six position switch and a 130-7 toroid and looking at PC the results from my antenna analyzer it seems better than expected.


Il 17/ago/2018 16:39, "JJ1FXF" <jj1fxf@...> ha scritto:
Hi, all.

Attached is a PDF file which shows the results of measuing spurious emission on my uBitX which I haven't modified its hardware/software at all.

Here, in Japan, the spurious emission should be less than -50dBc and so the list indicates I can use my uBitX with a Pi-C antenna tuner, but not on 15m unfortunately.

This time, I checked only the CW transmission beccause I had a problem to measure SSB case. It would be very much appreciated if someone could advise to me.

To measure the spurious emission on SSB, at first I need to saturate the PA output by the mic input of so called "pseudo voice" that is 1.5kHz sine wave, and when the output is saturated by increasing the input leve, then 80% of the input level will be used to measuer spurious emission, the Lab guy explained to me.

However, uBitX output won't be saturated which means I couldn't observe the flat level of PA output as increasing the input (pseudo voice) level, but suddenly the output level falls down to a few mW.

The Lab guy said it would be because uBitX didn't have an ALC - Auto Level Controller of the mic input.

So please advise to me how I can saturate the output (PA) level with such a "pseudo voice" input? Maybe bring an external mic compressor? However, how can I observe the flat level of PA output?

Thank you for reading my long email. Hope someone can help me. If you are interested in screen shots of the spurious analyzer, feel free to email me.

BR,

// hiro, JJ1FXF




ajparent1/KB1GMX
 

Hiro san,

To do testing on SSB a audio tone signal source is needed. There are aps for android
and Iphone that do this.  The procedure is generate the 1.5khz tone and inject it into
the microphone input.  Turn audio source volume up until power does not increase
then reduce to the specified 80% of max power for each band.  Repeat this on a
per band basis for best results.  Note power out used for that band.


Allison

Kees T
 

Hiro,

Very nice summary chart showing the effect of adding an external Pi tuner. 

73 Kees K5BCQ

JJ1FXF
 

Iz,

Thanks for reading.

No, I didn’t insert any LPF but only the simple pi-tuner was there btw uBitX and analyzer, because I thought pi-tuner might work as a kind of BPF.

There will be a possibility to suppress the spur emission if I add a LFP but what I observed was the spur of 28MHz with AT was OK but 21 MHz was not. So maybe I need some drastic solution, I suppose.

Here is a manual of TRIO AT-200 antenna tuner, if you are interested in it.


Yes, I’m planning to do like what you did. So I already got AA-30.ZERO antenna analyzer.

Thanks for your comments.

// hiro, JJ1FXF



2018年8月18日(土) 0:30 iz oos <and2oosiz2@...>:

Hi Hiro, nice analysis, if I understand right if you add also any 30mhz (also like CB) lowpass filter you may transmit on 15m band. Isn't? Is the Trio tuner a simple pi-tuner? I have just done a variable low pass filter with a double 450pf air variable capacitor a six position switch and a 130-7 toroid and looking at PC the results from my antenna analyzer it seems better than expected.


Il 17/ago/2018 16:39, "JJ1FXF" <jj1fxf@...> ha scritto:
Hi, all.

Attached is a PDF file which shows the results of measuing spurious emission on my uBitX which I haven't modified its hardware/software at all.

Here, in Japan, the spurious emission should be less than -50dBc and so the list indicates I can use my uBitX with a Pi-C antenna tuner, but not on 15m unfortunately.

This time, I checked only the CW transmission beccause I had a problem to measure SSB case. It would be very much appreciated if someone could advise to me.

To measure the spurious emission on SSB, at first I need to saturate the PA output by the mic input of so called "pseudo voice" that is 1.5kHz sine wave, and when the output is saturated by increasing the input leve, then 80% of the input level will be used to measuer spurious emission, the Lab guy explained to me.

However, uBitX output won't be saturated which means I couldn't observe the flat level of PA output as increasing the input (pseudo voice) level, but suddenly the output level falls down to a few mW.

The Lab guy said it would be because uBitX didn't have an ALC - Auto Level Controller of the mic input.

So please advise to me how I can saturate the output (PA) level with such a "pseudo voice" input? Maybe bring an external mic compressor? However, how can I observe the flat level of PA output?

Thank you for reading my long email. Hope someone can help me. If you are interested in screen shots of the spurious analyzer, feel free to email me.

BR,

// hiro, JJ1FXF




iz oos
 

Hi Hiro, nice analysis, if I understand right if you add also any 30mhz (also like CB) lowpass filter you may transmit on 15m band. Isn't? Is the Trio tuner a simple pi-tuner? I have just done a variable low pass filter with a double 450pf air variable capacitor a six position switch and a 130-7 toroid and looking at PC the results from my antenna analyzer it seems better than expected.


Il 17/ago/2018 16:39, "JJ1FXF" <jj1fxf@...> ha scritto:
Hi, all.

Attached is a PDF file which shows the results of measuing spurious emission on my uBitX which I haven't modified its hardware/software at all.

Here, in Japan, the spurious emission should be less than -50dBc and so the list indicates I can use my uBitX with a Pi-C antenna tuner, but not on 15m unfortunately.

This time, I checked only the CW transmission beccause I had a problem to measure SSB case. It would be very much appreciated if someone could advise to me.

To measure the spurious emission on SSB, at first I need to saturate the PA output by the mic input of so called "pseudo voice" that is 1.5kHz sine wave, and when the output is saturated by increasing the input leve, then 80% of the input level will be used to measuer spurious emission, the Lab guy explained to me.

However, uBitX output won't be saturated which means I couldn't observe the flat level of PA output as increasing the input (pseudo voice) level, but suddenly the output level falls down to a few mW.

The Lab guy said it would be because uBitX didn't have an ALC - Auto Level Controller of the mic input.

So please advise to me how I can saturate the output (PA) level with such a "pseudo voice" input? Maybe bring an external mic compressor? However, how can I observe the flat level of PA output?

Thank you for reading my long email. Hope someone can help me. If you are interested in screen shots of the spurious analyzer, feel free to email me.

BR,

// hiro, JJ1FXF




JJ1FXF
 

Hi, all.

Attached is a PDF file which shows the results of measuing spurious emission on my uBitX which I haven't modified its hardware/software at all.

Here, in Japan, the spurious emission should be less than -50dBc and so the list indicates I can use my uBitX with a Pi-C antenna tuner, but not on 15m unfortunately.

This time, I checked only the CW transmission beccause I had a problem to measure SSB case. It would be very much appreciated if someone could advise to me.

To measure the spurious emission on SSB, at first I need to saturate the PA output by the mic input of so called "pseudo voice" that is 1.5kHz sine wave, and when the output is saturated by increasing the input leve, then 80% of the input level will be used to measuer spurious emission, the Lab guy explained to me.

However, uBitX output won't be saturated which means I couldn't observe the flat level of PA output as increasing the input (pseudo voice) level, but suddenly the output level falls down to a few mW.

The Lab guy said it would be because uBitX didn't have an ALC - Auto Level Controller of the mic input.

So please advise to me how I can saturate the output (PA) level with such a "pseudo voice" input? Maybe bring an external mic compressor? However, how can I observe the flat level of PA output?

Thank you for reading my long email. Hope someone can help me. If you are interested in screen shots of the spurious analyzer, feel free to email me.

BR,

// hiro, JJ1FXF