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Windows Serial Port Problem

Albert Woodhull
 

A few days ago my Windows 10 installation got updated, without asking me, of course.  I stepped away from the computer for a while and when
I came back updates were being installed.

I think my USB port drivers were changed.  When I try to run the KD8CEC Memory Manager or to upload a newly compiled  ubitx_20 version
I do not see the COM4 port any more. The Windows Device Manger shows an "Unusable Parallel Port (LPT3) where I previously saw a COM4
Serial Port.

Does anyone know what happened or how to undo it?

- Al N1AW



Thomas Martin <tem494@...>
 

I am not an expert but try unplugging the device then back in and also check device manager to see-if the device is active

Tom

Tom Martin


On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Albert Woodhull <n1aw@...> wrote:

A few days ago my Windows 10 installation got updated, without asking me, of course.  I stepped away from the computer for a while and when
I came back updates were being installed.

I think my USB port drivers were changed.  When I try to run the KD8CEC Memory Manager or to upload a newly compiled  ubitx_20 version
I do not see the COM4 port any more. The Windows Device Manger shows an "Unusable Parallel Port (LPT3) where I previously saw a COM4
Serial Port.

Does anyone know what happened or how to undo it?

- Al N1AW



Ralph Mowery
 

Sometimes if you are not using a Profilic (probably spelled way wrong) original driver but a 3 rd party driver, you have to delete the driver and install the 3rd party driver.  This seems to happen to many almost  every time win 10 updates.

This may explain it.




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Albert Woodhull <n1aw@...> wrote:
A few days ago my Windows 10 installation got updated, without asking me, of course.  I stepped away from the computer for a while and when
I came back updates were being installed.

I think my USB port drivers were changed.  When I try to run the KD8CEC Memory Manager or to upload a newly compiled  ubitx_20 version
I do not see the COM4 port any more. The Windows Device Manger shows an "Unusable Parallel Port (LPT3) where I previously saw a COM4
Serial Port.

Does anyone know what happened or how to undo it?

- Al N1AW




Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...>
 

I think it’s FTDI that windows likes.




On Jul 14, 2018, at 17:57, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@...> wrote:

Sometimes if you are not using a Profilic (probably spelled way wrong) original driver but a 3 rd party driver, you have to delete the driver and install the 3rd party driver.  This seems to happen to many almost  every time win 10 updates.

This may explain it.




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Albert Woodhull <n1aw@...> wrote:
A few days ago my Windows 10 installation got updated, without asking me, of course.  I stepped away from the computer for a while and when
I came back updates were being installed.

I think my USB port drivers were changed.  When I try to run the KD8CEC Memory Manager or to upload a newly compiled  ubitx_20 version
I do not see the COM4 port any more. The Windows Device Manger shows an "Unusable Parallel Port (LPT3) where I previously saw a COM4
Serial Port.

Does anyone know what happened or how to undo it?

- Al N1AW




George Baumann
 

I switched to using Parallax USB to Serial RS-232 adapters after having problems with ones from Prolific!

Started having problems with Prolific adapters when I switched to Windows 10.

Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...>
 

FTDI drivers were enforced by windows10, and had features designed to either refuse to use, or even adversely reprogram counterfeit versions of FTDI hardware..... and thus prolific stuff seems to have been ............




On Jul 15, 2018, at 03:20, George Baumann <georgehbaumann@...> wrote:

I switched to using Parallax USB to Serial RS-232 adapters after having problems with ones from Prolific!

Started having problems with Prolific adapters when I switched to Windows 10.

Nigel G4ZAL
 

The uBitx uses a clone nano and the serial/USB chipset CH340.
In Windoze 10, open Device manager and right click the unusable/unwanted Parallel port LPT3 and delete it.
Download the CH340 USB serial driver and run it.
Plug in the ubitx and Windoze should install the correct driver.

If it still doesn't work, maybe try editing the Windoze registry and remove all com ports...
http://woshub.com/how-to-clean-up-and-reset-com-ports-in-windows-7/

A reboot may help (it's Windoze after all).

Nigel.

Lawrence Macionski <am_fm_radio@...>
 

Windows 10 is the culprit..I also have a RS-HFIQ SDR transceiver and in their forum, there are numerous mentions of WINDOZE 10 blowing up ham radio settings..

Perhaps the main reason everyone has a fast WINDOZE 7- professional or Ultimate version

Jon Titus, KZ1G <tituskz1g@...>
 

Windows 10 might have some driver problems, but the best bet is to buy genuine Arduino products.  People have reported many problems with knock-off "Arduino" boards.  I use genuine Arduino boards with Win 10 without difficulty.  This link at Arduino shows the differences between genuine products and counterfeits.  Yes, you'll pay a bit more, but you won't hassle with problem boards or drivers.

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Products/Counterfeit

I have no commercial connection with Arduino or any other company.
--
Jon Titus, KZ1G
Herriman, UT USA

Jack, W8TEE
 

I have probably purchased a 100 clones over the years and, yes, I did have some troubles initially with a few of them, but these were fixed by installing the CH340 drivers in almost every case. Also, it's a bit of a quibble, but non-Arduino boards are not counterfeits, they are second-sourced boards. Counterfeit implies something that is sold illegally as genuine when it is not. As far as I know, the entire Arduino family of boards are Open Source, which means anyone can produce them legally. What would be wrong is to put the Arduino logo on the board, as I believe that is under copyright. eBay has a Nano for sale for $24, and AliExpress has 10 of them for $25. For the difference, I'm willing to (rarely) install the drivers to make them work. I do have my Nano clones working under Win 10, so I'm not sure buying a "genuine" Nano is going to fix the poster's problem.

Jack, W8TEE

On Sunday, July 15, 2018, 3:19:48 PM EDT, Jon Titus, KZ1G <tituskz1g@...> wrote:


Windows 10 might have some driver problems, but the best bet is to buy genuine Arduino products.  People have reported many problems with knock-off "Arduino" boards.  I use genuine Arduino boards with Win 10 without difficulty.  This link at Arduino shows the differences between genuine products and counterfeits.  Yes, you'll pay a bit more, but you won't hassle with problem boards or drivers.

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Products/Counterfeit

I have no commercial connection with Arduino or any other company.
--
Jon Titus, KZ1G
Herriman, UT USA

Allen Merrell
 

I agree with Jack, I have some Arduino's and clones,  the main difference I have seen was price. I have windows 10 now and loaded the CH340 driver and it all works just fine. 
kn4ud
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Allen  Merrell

Dexter N Muir
 

Yep, old joke always pertinent: "Windows has detected that the mouse has moved. Please reboot to verify new position."

Jon Titus, KZ1G <tituskz1g@...>
 

Counterfeit boards bear marks that make them look like Arduino.cc-produced boards.  (Much like counterfeit watches marked as "Rolex.")  People can get tricked into buying boards with a USB, or other chip, that makes them compatible only after they download special drivers, etc.  If a company produces an Arduino clone they should mark it as such.  They also should note that a given board is compatible with an Arduino XXX, but is a product not of Arduino.cc but of another company.  Be careful what you buy and read the specifications carefully.  Just my opinion from experiences with Arduino boards.
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Jon Titus, KZ1G
Herriman, UT USA

m5fra2@...
 

But they are not counterfeit as the hardware and software is open source.

 

 

From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon Titus, KZ1G
Sent: 17 July 2018 04:20
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Windows Serial Port Problem

 

Counterfeit boards bear marks that make them look like Arduino.cc-produced boards.  (Much like counterfeit watches marked as "Rolex.")  People can get tricked into buying boards with a USB, or other chip, that makes them compatible only after they download special drivers, etc.  If a company produces an Arduino clone they should mark it as such.  They also should note that a given board is compatible with an Arduino XXX, but is a product not of Arduino.cc but of another company.  Be careful what you buy and read the specifications carefully.  Just my opinion from experiences with Arduino boards.
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Jon Titus, KZ1G
Herriman, UT USA


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Dennis Zabawa
 

Agreed - How can you "counterfeit" Open Source products??

Jim Lommel <wd8rwi@...>
 

I would guess that the install went badly.  I think that there is a program called Windows Update manager that you should look at and see ifit will allow you to uninstall the update.  I also think that there is a setting in th Update Manager that you can set to not automatically install updates.

73,

Jim
WD8RWI

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Albert Woodhull <n1aw@...> wrote:
A few days ago my Windows 10 installation got updated, without asking me, of course.  I stepped away from the computer for a while and when
I came back updates were being installed.

I think my USB port drivers were changed.  When I try to run the KD8CEC Memory Manager or to upload a newly compiled  ubitx_20 version
I do not see the COM4 port any more. The Windows Device Manger shows an "Unusable Parallel Port (LPT3) where I previously saw a COM4
Serial Port.

Does anyone know what happened or how to undo it?

- Al N1AW




Jon Titus, KZ1G <tituskz1g@...>
 

The clone boards are counterfeit when they use the "plus-minus infinity" trademark that Arduino.CC owns.  This has nothing to do with open-source.  Anyone can use open-source code, designs, etc.  But when someone steals a company's trademark and uses it on a product of their own, open source or not, they create a counterfeit.  Cheap watches from Hong Kong, marked "Rolex," for example.

Dictionary:  "Counterfeit: made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the intention to deceive or defraud."  By applying the Arduino trademark, they create a counterfeit.  So someone buys a board with the copied Arduino trademark and thinks it's a genuine Arduino.cc device.  If it fails or has problems, it tarnishes the reputation of Arduino.  Clone manufacturers could avoid the counterfeit label if they simply mark boards "Arduino Compatible."  And not use the Arduino trademark.

Arduino.cc calls such products counterfeit, and that's good enough for me.  I buy genuine Arduino.cc boards and support the group's efforts.  Others can buy and use whatever they want.  'Nuf said.

--
Jon Titus, KZ1G
Herriman, UT USA

Jack, W8TEE
 

You can also support the Arduino group through direct contributions on the download site. I encourage everyone to make a contribution each year. See:



If they add a true symbolic debugger, I'll make an extra contribution!

Jack, W8TEE



On Tuesday, July 17, 2018, 12:32:35 PM EDT, Jon Titus, KZ1G <tituskz1g@...> wrote:


The clone boards are counterfeit when they use the "plus-minus infinity" trademark that Arduino.CC owns.  This has nothing to do with open-source.  Anyone can use open-source code, designs, etc.  But when someone steals a company's trademark and uses it on a product of their own, open source or not, they create a counterfeit.  Cheap watches from Hong Kong, marked "Rolex," for example.

Dictionary:  "Counterfeit: made in exact imitation of something valuable or important with the intention to deceive or defraud."  By applying the Arduino trademark, they create a counterfeit.  So someone buys a board with the copied Arduino trademark and thinks it's a genuine Arduino.cc device.  If it fails or has problems, it tarnishes the reputation of Arduino.  Clone manufacturers could avoid the counterfeit label if they simply mark boards "Arduino Compatible."  And not use the Arduino trademark.

Arduino.cc calls such products counterfeit, and that's good enough for me.  I buy genuine Arduino.cc boards and support the group's efforts.  Others can buy and use whatever they want.  'Nuf said.

--
Jon Titus, KZ1G
Herriman, UT USA

Jim Lommel <wd8rwi@...>
 

I was completely wrong about there being a download manager for Win 10.  Microsoft has changed to a service model from a subscription model and now you have no control over what updates get installed and what don't get installed other than not be connected to the internet.  My understanding it that this was done so all extant Win 10 installations are the same  instead of there being millions of different installations.

Does anyone else have information about how MS is 

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Jim Lommel <wd8rwi@...> wrote:
I would guess that the install went badly.  I think that there is a program called Windows Update manager that you should look at and see ifit will allow you to uninstall the update.  I also think that there is a setting in th Update Manager that you can set to not automatically install updates.

73,

Jim
WD8RWI

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Albert Woodhull <n1aw@...> wrote:
A few days ago my Windows 10 installation got updated, without asking me, of course.  I stepped away from the computer for a while and when
I came back updates were being installed.

I think my USB port drivers were changed.  When I try to run the KD8CEC Memory Manager or to upload a newly compiled  ubitx_20 version
I do not see the COM4 port any more. The Windows Device Manger shows an "Unusable Parallel Port (LPT3) where I previously saw a COM4
Serial Port.

Does anyone know what happened or how to undo it?

- Al N1AW





Bill Cromwell
 

Hi

I almost completely abandoned MS and Windows long ago. I have one legal copy of XP that I run in a virtual machine in Lunux if I run it at all. It does not get exposed to the internet. Reading this thread I have dug my trench even deeper and fortified the walls :)

Yes..there are a few things that I can't run without MS Windows. Life without those few things is not really so bad :) You put your money down and you take your choice.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 07/21/2018 08:21 AM, Jim Lommel wrote:
I was completely wrong about there being a download manager for Win 10.
Microsoft has changed to a service model from a subscription model and
now you have no control over what updates get installed and what don't
get installed other than not be connected to the internet. My
understanding it that this was done so all extant Win 10 installations
are the same instead of there being millions of different installations.

Does anyone else have information about how MS is
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