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an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages #off_topic

Doug W
 

Whenever I find something not returning the desired results I take that as a sign it is high time to read the fun manual.  Here are some tips I have gleaned to tame this tiger:

https://groups.io/g/BITX20/editsub allows you to select the frequency of email from this group with choices including never and once a day

Accessing the list from https://groups.io/g/BITX20/topics allows you to read messages grouped by subject like a forum or message board

All incoming email from this list has [BITX20] in the subject.  Set up a rule/filter in your email client to skip your inbox and move messages to a separate folder for perusal at your leisure.

While not all messages use tags, many do.  You can also use your email client to sort tags that are not of interest to you

Lastly, be a good member of this community.  Use detailed subjects and tags so the group knows exactly what you are discussing or need help with.

-- There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

richcarter03052 <re.carter@...>
 

Good advice.  I took your lead and asked for a daily summary.  It would be nice if folks could please stick with messages that are very specific to the radio and not degenerate into warstory threads so that the number of messages is readable.

 

Having said that, I can outdo you all.  When I started in data processing, we didn’t even have punch-cards.  We used rolls of papyrus with holes punched in by hand using a hammer and wooden stick.  All processing was done by slaves who sorted through the scrolls and tabulated results ….

 

Rich

 

From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug W
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:20 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: [BITX20] an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages #off_topic

 

Whenever I find something not returning the desired results I take that as a sign it is high time to read the fun manual.  Here are some tips I have gleaned to tame this tiger:

https://groups.io/g/BITX20/editsub allows you to select the frequency of email from this group with choices including never and once a day

Accessing the list from https://groups.io/g/BITX20/topics allows you to read messages grouped by subject like a forum or message board

All incoming email from this list has [BITX20] in the subject.  Set up a rule/filter in your email client to skip your inbox and move messages to a separate folder for perusal at your leisure.

While not all messages use tags, many do.  You can also use your email client to sort tags that are not of interest to you

Lastly, be a good member of this community.  Use detailed subjects and tags so the group knows exactly what you are discussing or need help with.

-- There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

MAX <max@...>
 

I have a folder for this forum and a rule to send all messages to it.  Then I peruse the subject lines and just hit the delete key on all messages on a topic that doesn’t interest me.  That’s why God made the delete key.

 

Regards.

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: BITX20@groups.io [mailto:BITX20@groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug W
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:20 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: [BITX20] an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages #off_topic

 

Whenever I find something not returning the desired results I take that as a sign it is high time to read the fun manual.  Here are some tips I have gleaned to tame this tiger:

https://groups.io/g/BITX20/editsub allows you to select the frequency of email from this group with choices including never and once a day

Accessing the list from https://groups.io/g/BITX20/topics allows you to read messages grouped by subject like a forum or message board

All incoming email from this list has [BITX20] in the subject.  Set up a rule/filter in your email client to skip your inbox and move messages to a separate folder for perusal at your leisure.

While not all messages use tags, many do.  You can also use your email client to sort tags that are not of interest to you

Lastly, be a good member of this community.  Use detailed subjects and tags so the group knows exactly what you are discussing or need help with.

-- There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

W2CTX
 

I have no problem with "war stories" or computer history.  Just please start a new "subject" so users

who are not interested can skip the post if they are not interested.  I am "guilty" myself.


rOn

On May 10, 2018 at 9:30 AM richcarter03052 <re.carter@...> wrote:

Good advice.  I took your lead and asked for a daily summary.  It would be nice if folks could please stick with messages that are very specific to the radio and not degenerate into warstory threads so that the number of messages is readable.

 

Having said that, I can outdo you all.  When I started in data processing, we didn’t even have punch-cards.  We used rolls of papyrus with holes punched in by hand using a hammer and wooden stick.  All processing was done by slaves who sorted through the scrolls and tabulated results ….

 

Rich

 

From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug W
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:20 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: [BITX20] an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages #off_topic

 

Whenever I find something not returning the desired results I take that as a sign it is high time to read the fun manual.  Here are some tips I have gleaned to tame this tiger:

https://groups.io/g/BITX20/editsub allows you to select the frequency of email from this group with choices including never and once a day

Accessing the list from https://groups.io/g/BITX20/topics allows you to read messages grouped by subject like a forum or message board

All incoming email from this list has [BITX20] in the subject.  Set up a rule/filter in your email client to skip your inbox and move messages to a separate folder for perusal at your leisure.

While not all messages use tags, many do.  You can also use your email client to sort tags that are not of interest to you

Lastly, be a good member of this community.  Use detailed subjects and tags so the group knows exactly what you are discussing or need help with.

-- There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.
 


 

Jack, W8TEE
 

I agree. As long as the subject line reflects the content of the post (e.g., "War Stories"), I have no problem. That's why I started the thread "Coding Styles", so members would know I was changing the subject. Delivery dates are of interest to some and not to others. Making it clear in the subject line makes it easy for me to skip these when I want to. However, since I am going to propose the µBITX as a build project for our Builders Group, I do want to be able to tell them what to expect in terms of delivery delays. So, I may read that kind of info once a week and delete the others. If we all pay attention to the subject line and what we're writing, the volume of posts should be manageable.

Jack, W8TEE


On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 9:39:48 AM EDT, W2CTX <w2ctx@...> wrote:


I have no problem with "war stories" or computer history.  Just please start a new "subject" so users

who are not interested can skip the post if they are not interested.  I am "guilty" myself.


rOn

On May 10, 2018 at 9:30 AM richcarter03052 <re.carter@...> wrote:

Good advice.  I took your lead and asked for a daily summary.  It would be nice if folks could please stick with messages that are very specific to the radio and not degenerate into warstory threads so that the number of messages is readable.

 

Having said that, I can outdo you all.  When I started in data processing, we didn’t even have punch-cards.  We used rolls of papyrus with holes punched in by hand using a hammer and wooden stick.  All processing was done by slaves who sorted through the scrolls and tabulated results ….

 

Rich

 

From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug W
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:20 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: [BITX20] an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages #off_topic

 

Whenever I find something not returning the desired results I take that as a sign it is high time to read the fun manual.  Here are some tips I have gleaned to tame this tiger:

https://groups.io/g/BITX20/editsub allows you to select the frequency of email from this group with choices including never and once a day

Accessing the list from https://groups.io/g/BITX20/topics allows you to read messages grouped by subject like a forum or message board

All incoming email from this list has [BITX20] in the subject.  Set up a rule/filter in your email client to skip your inbox and move messages to a separate folder for perusal at your leisure.

While not all messages use tags, many do.  You can also use your email client to sort tags that are not of interest to you

Lastly, be a good member of this community.  Use detailed subjects and tags so the group knows exactly what you are discussing or need help with.

-- There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.
 


 

Jack, W8TEE
 

Having said that, I can outdo you all.  When I started in data processing, we didn’t even have punch-cards.  We used rolls of papyrus with holes punched in by hand using a hammer and wooden stick.  All processing was done by slaves who sorted through the scrolls and tabulated results ….


I don't believe you...

Jack, W8TEE


On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 9:32:36 AM EDT, richcarter03052 <re.carter@...> wrote:


Good advice.  I took your lead and asked for a daily summary.  It would be nice if folks could please stick with messages that are very specific to the radio and not degenerate into warstory threads so that the number of messages is readable.

 

Having said that, I can outdo you all.  When I started in data processing, we didn’t even have punch-cards.  We used rolls of papyrus with holes punched in by hand using a hammer and wooden stick.  All processing was done by slaves who sorted through the scrolls and tabulated results ….

 

Rich

 

From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug W
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:20 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: [BITX20] an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages #off_topic

 

Whenever I find something not returning the desired results I take that as a sign it is high time to read the fun manual.  Here are some tips I have gleaned to tame this tiger:

https://groups.io/g/BITX20/editsub allows you to select the frequency of email from this group with choices including never and once a day

Accessing the list from https://groups.io/g/BITX20/topics allows you to read messages grouped by subject like a forum or message board

All incoming email from this list has [BITX20] in the subject.  Set up a rule/filter in your email client to skip your inbox and move messages to a separate folder for perusal at your leisure.

While not all messages use tags, many do.  You can also use your email client to sort tags that are not of interest to you

Lastly, be a good member of this community.  Use detailed subjects and tags so the group knows exactly what you are discussing or need help with.

-- There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

Kees T
 

I spent many hours watching the IBM ladies from New York restringing cores on core memory planes at NASA and punched some new TROS tapes myself.

73 Kees K5BCQ

David Lacey
 

Put money on it...his real name is NOAH :-)


On 10/05/2018 15:02, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote:

Having said that, I can outdo you all.  When I started in data processing, we didn’t even have punch-cards.  We used rolls of papyrus with holes punched in by hand using a hammer and wooden stick.  All processing was done by slaves who sorted through the scrolls and tabulated results ….


I don't believe you...

Jack, W8TEE


lou_w2row
 

My father worked at IBM during the days of core storage. I remember touring the Poughkeepsie plant and watching the cores being strung by hand under strong magnifying lenses and bright lights.

You could actually see a "bit" in those days.

Lou   W2ROW

Jerry Gaffke
 

Had to look that one up:  transformer read only storage 

Now that's how a real programmer writes his code.
None of this sissy IDE stuff.

In the rope format,  it was TROS in the Apollo guidance computers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Not that I was there.

Jerry


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:02 am, Kees T wrote:
punched some new TROS tapes myself.

Jack, W8TEE
 

"None of this sissy IDE stuff."

What? I think IDE's make life easier. Those who want to use discrete editors, compilers, assemblers, and linkers are welcome to it. I prefer to be a sissy.

Jack, W8TEE


On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 12:59:17 PM EDT, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:


Had to look that one up:  transformer read only storage 

Now that's how a real programmer writes his code.
None of this sissy IDE stuff.

In the rope format,  it was TROS in the Apollo guidance computers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Not that I was there.

Jerry


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:02 am, Kees T wrote:
punched some new TROS tapes myself.

Jerry Gaffke
 

Ah, you clearly missed the point.
All those editors and compilers and stuff are sissy too.

They were hand coding binary bits into those transformers.
Got us to the moon!
Haven't been back since.    ;-)

I've often heard from people who insist on coding in assembly, though not so much anymore.
And vaguely recall somebody advocating machine code as the way to go if you want to keep it really tight.
I very seldom find any reason to use anything less than C, even on small machines.

Jerry


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:14 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
What? I think IDE's make life easier. Those who want to use discrete editors, compilers, assemblers, and linkers are welcome to it. I prefer to be a sissy.
 

Doug W
 

Original Apollo 11 Guidance Computer (AGC) source code for the command and lunar modules.
 https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11

--
www.bitxmap.com

Kees T
 

You also had CROS cards which you could modify by cutting the lands by hand on a blank CROS card (80 column). Model 30 used them and inflated thin plastic bags to make contact. Made one of those late at night to repair a CROS card that had been destroyed in shipment.

On the core memories you could see bits being read as the cores moved slightly on the wires. 

73 Kees K5BCQ 

Kees T
 

Back when men were men, ships were made of wood, men were made of steel, and electrons were the size of marbles.

73 Kees K5BCQ 

Dennis Zabawa
 

Don't you mean that we have gone from an age of wooden ships and iron men to composite ships and synthetic persons (must be P.C. here).

 

electrons the size of marbles, and the number one tool, the most well worn tool, the first tool I reach for in the top of my tool bag that I was issued both bag and tool…..to work on RF and Computer, and Microwave…..was a BALL PEEN HAMMER…..the greatest finesse tool for vacuum tubes or for those of you who rather…..valves….and cannon plugs….

and the computer interface was toggle switches and 28 volt lamps…..and the hard drive sounded like a Saturn Five…..

and uniforms had starch in them not static…..

thats when things were big and the big things they did then aren’t much compared to today…..

I miss my hammer…

I still use a upside down nut driver to tap for cracked solder….

Craig
KM4YEC

On May 10, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Kees T <windy10605@...> wrote:

Back when men were men, ships were made of wood, men were made of steel, and electrons were the size of marbles.

73 Kees K5BCQ 

Jerry Gaffke
 

Must have been before my time.
Can't remember those marbles at all.


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:49 am, Kees T wrote:
Back when men were men, ships were made of wood, men were made of steel, and electrons were the size of marbles.

Jerry Gaffke
 

Very cool.
Imagine how many times that code was looked over for bugs.

Of course, Armstrong found one.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/8/25/1124164/-Neil-Armstrong-the-1201-alarm-and-what-it-means-to-be-great
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/vintagespace/2018/01/05/apollo-11s-1202-alarm-explained/

Hang in there, these guys are working on a fix:
    https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/issues/23

Jerry


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:43 am, Doug W wrote:
Original Apollo 11 Guidance Computer (AGC) source code for the command and lunar modules.
 https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11

Jack, W8TEE
 

There are probably a few optimizations a human can make that would be missed by a compiler, but most probably aren't worth the effort. I've done that binary stuff and if you value your time at more than a penny and hour, IDE's are worth it.

Jack, W8TEE


On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 2:38:37 PM EDT, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:


Ah, you clearly missed the point.
All those editors and compilers and stuff are sissy too.

They were hand coding binary bits into those transformers.
Got us to the moon!
Haven't been back since.    ;-)

I've often heard from people who insist on coding in assembly, though not so much anymore.
And vaguely recall somebody advocating machine code as the way to go if you want to keep it really tight.
I very seldom find any reason to use anything less than C, even on small machines.

Jerry


On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:14 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
What? I think IDE's make life easier. Those who want to use discrete editors, compilers, assemblers, and linkers are welcome to it. I prefer to be a sissy.