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F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Dennis Zabawa
 

This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:
  • Original BITX20 Design
  • Original BITX40 Design
  • Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  • Simple uBITX Upgrades
  • Complex uBITX Upgrades
  • Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  • (Add Your Own Topic Here)
It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL

Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz@...>
 

The solution on groups.io is subgroups. However, that also requires a dedicated/active moderation staff to keep things on track.

Heck, even if we just could get the "when will my bitx arrive", "I got my ship date", "I got my bitx" somewhere else the volume would go down.

Tim N9PUZ


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL

Jack, W8TEE
 

Dennis:

I think you've done a good job of categorizing the fragmentation all of us have probably have noticed. I belong to a number of Forums and it's not unusual for me to have over 80 posts in the morning. I want to read them all, but it's getting pretty hard to justify the time. It would really help me, and likely others, if posters would prefix their issue with the general class of the problem, followed by its specifics. For example:

    IDE-Programming: Multiple compile error messages

for a post where someone is having trouble compiling code in the Arduino IDE. I would read this as I stand a chance of helping. Another:

    Complex: A four transistor solution to PTT Thump

I would also read this as it's a problem for everyone. If it's simple instructions, I can follow along. Another:

    µBITX Design: Class E design for new PA

While I would be interested in this, I'm not an EE, so I would likely not read it, plus I enjoy QRP and PA's hold less interest for me. I would also add a category: Shipping Info, as a lot of posts are about when they bought the rig and when it arrived.
I realize getting thousands of people to follow a convention for posting would be difficult. However, I think it would be a HUGE benefit to everyone. Perhaps Arv has some thoughts on this.

Jack, W8TEE


From: Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...>
To: BITX20@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:06 AM
Subject: [BITX20] F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:
  • Original BITX20 Design
  • Original BITX40 Design
  • Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  • Simple uBITX Upgrades
  • Complex uBITX Upgrades
  • Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  • (Add Your Own Topic Here)
It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL



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Jack, W8TEE
 

Subgroups, to me, means that everyone in the group can nicely compartmentalize their area(s) of interest. Most groups that do this seem to have some subgroups fade away, or the main group does. I think the idea of a subject line that begins with what would be a subgroup name still allows members of the group to be more selective in what they choose to read while still having the ability to read more as their time allows.

Jack, W8TEE



From: Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz@...>
To: BITX20@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

The solution on groups.io is subgroups. However, that also requires a dedicated/active moderation staff to keep things on track.

Heck, even if we just could get the "when will my bitx arrive", "I got my ship date", "I got my bitx" somewhere else the volume would go down.

Tim N9PUZ

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL




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Michael Monteith
 

Might be easier than getting people to use tags.   Unfortunately a large portion will probably not do either.

As for the ordering issue there is a FB group dedicated I think to posts of that nature.  At least get those out of here.

73, Michael
KM4OLT

Terry Morris
 

This group BitX20 became discombobulated prior to my joining. Upon joining its become difficult and at times frustrating trying to following the different platforms now addressed in this group. I feel each platform should have its own group, e.g. BitX20, BitX40, and uBitX. I have had no problems with my BitX40. Learning about the uBitX problem with toroids which affected delivery time was disheartening but my kit finally arrived after 2 months. Now, I am not concerned with shipping, rather issues concerning functionality of the uBitX before I begin construction and what hardware I need to replace and what software upgrades I need or will enhance my operation of my transceiver. There are no threads, therefore I have to look at every message which is a time waster. I am concerned about the uBitX only at this stage so if these messages, comments, etc. were more compartmentalized I could breeze past those that I need not read. So in general I agree with those that have commented in this thread, that is until the thread is broken.


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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
Subgroups, to me, means that everyone in the group can nicely compartmentalize their area(s) of interest. Most groups that do this seem to have some subgroups fade away, or the main group does. I think the idea of a subject line that begins with what would be a subgroup name still allows members of the group to be more selective in what they choose to read while still having the ability to read more as their time allows.

Jack, W8TEE



From: Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz@...>
To: BITX20@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

The solution on groups.io is subgroups. However, that also requires a dedicated/active moderation staff to keep things on track.

Heck, even if we just could get the "when will my bitx arrive", "I got my ship date", "I got my bitx" somewhere else the volume would go down.

Tim N9PUZ

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL




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Jerry Gaffke
 

Good subject lines are important.
For example, "Hey, I've got a question"  is not a good choice.
Nor is "Complaint Department".

The uBitx is a hot new product, 4000 shipped and still a big backlog.
Lots of development going on, and lots of people trying to figure out what it is.
Group activity is at a peak, will fall off considerably in a few months. 

Mike's curated ubitx.net website will have much of the stuff from the forum nicely organized.
The wiki, being a free-for-all like the forum, likely won't be so organized and up to date
as well the curated ubitx.net.   But if you see a pet subject being ignored, perhaps create
a rough wiki page and point it out to Mike.

Jerry


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:29 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
Subgroups, to me, means that everyone in the group can nicely compartmentalize their area(s) of interest. Most groups that do this seem to have some subgroups fade away, or the main group does. I think the idea of a subject line that begins with what would be a subgroup name still allows members of the group to be more selective in what they choose to read while still having the ability to read more as their time allows.
 

Vince Vielhaber
 

On 03/13/2018 10:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa wrote:
This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:

* Original BITX20 Design
* Original BITX40 Design
* Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
* Simple uBITX Upgrades
* Complex uBITX Upgrades
* Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
* (Add Your Own Topic Here)

It is becoming more and more difficult to find an answer to a specific
question or to even follow any one thread! This is often exacerbated by
a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original
topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group? Suggestions??????
Sure there is. Move it to a forum. I like forums but I'm not convinced this group is broken. 99% of the posts are easy to tell what they're about (B20, B40, uB, BS, ...). If you're having a problem discerning that, it probably means you're not used to the other products. Perhaps the web interface and the provided search facilities would help you.

Vince.
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http://www.metalworkingfun.com

Arv Evans
 

Dennis KG4RUL, and others.....

It may be that the extreme focus on Farhan's BITX40 and uBITX has now died down
a bit, making other hardware and other issues more obvious.  This has always been
the BITX group, serving BITX designs from the earliest BITX20 over 10 years ago to
the latest BITX system.  When the next BITX design becomes available it too will be
supported here as an ongoing evolution of the BITX concept and design. 

Yes, hijacking of threads has always been a problem on this and other similar groups.
This may happen because it is easier to tail-end non-related comments onto someone
else's post, or just because some members do not know how to start a new thread for
a specific topic.  Fixing this would be almost impossible unless the system were
changed to a fully moderated group with all the delays and headache that would cause.

Modern email handlers do allow messages to be sorted and handled according to header
or thread name, but this requires each member to configure such handling on their own
email system.  This too is problematic because of the thread hijacking problem. 

In addition to threads or subgroups, there are user options that can be configured in
each member's profile at groups.io/g/bitx20.  These options select whether the user
receives:
  • Individual Email Messages

  • Full Featured Digest

  • Plain Digest

  • Daily Summary

  • Special Notices Only

  • No Email
To activate or change any of these options you have to log into the group using your
group ID and password.

At present there are not any particular subgroups configured, and subgroups can only
be defined by the system moderators.  This is an interesting possibility but one that
could be difficult to administer due to many people wanting their own personal subgroup(s).

Subgroups on groups.io are treated as separate member groups and would
require users to subscribe to both parent and sub-group.  This could be one
way to filter what you do or do-not see, but could also lead to further
fragmentation of the information stream. 


The issue of posts regarding orders, shipping, and delivery of uBITX boards is one that
should decrease in frequency once the initial overload of board manufacture has caught
up with demand.  This may be an situation we have to live with temporarily because the
initial offering of the uBITX was so successful.  This info is useful in the short-term
because there are people who are tracking delivery performance so that services can
be optimized.

Group members control adherence to thread content, and as such has much to do with
how the discussion group operates.  Allowing members to start new threads does make
the group less structured and maybe friendlier.  We could have more restrictive rules but
that would seem to block some of the more creative ideas for BITX design and use.  It
seems better to just watch what is posted and occasionally nudge off-topic members
back toward the intended focus on BITX related things.  If members would not reply to
off-topic posts it could possibly help alleviate the situation?

Arv  K7HKL
_._





On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:
This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:
  • Original BITX20 Design
  • Original BITX40 Design
  • Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  • Simple uBITX Upgrades
  • Complex uBITX Upgrades
  • Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  • (Add Your Own Topic Here)
It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL


Michael Hagen
 

I was on a Big Big Pic list 30 years ago.  It got confusing too.  I like the fact most put uBit or BitX in the subject, that's a must.

The Pic List had a rule to put OT "Off Topic" in the subject if it was not specific?

Maybe just a few rules for the Subject line may allow folks to erase stuff they don't want?

Of course, just a few simple rules.  Too many rules that are complicated will just make things worse.


73's Mike, WA6ISP


On 3/13/2018 8:07 AM, Vince Vielhaber wrote:


On 03/13/2018 10:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa wrote:
This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:

  * Original BITX20 Design
  * Original BITX40 Design
  * Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  * Simple uBITX Upgrades
  * Complex uBITX Upgrades
  * Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  * (Add Your Own Topic Here)

It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific
question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by
a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original
topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Sure there is.  Move it to a forum.  I like forums but I'm not convinced this group is broken.  99% of the posts are easy to tell what they're about (B20, B40, uB, BS, ...).  If you're having a problem discerning that, it probably means you're not used to the other products.  Perhaps the web interface and the provided search facilities would help you.

Vince.

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Charles D. Smith
 

Well said Arv.
72/73 de Chas ai4ot

Jerry Gaffke
 

We often have the related problem of sidetracking a perfectly good thread title
For example, we might have a thread going with "uBitx:  loud spurious audio tones"
and somebody pipes up with a new thread:  "uBitx:  loud spurious audio tones, my solution"

Makes it almost impossible to follow a conversation when digging through the archives.
With a hijacked thread, I can skip over the off topic posts.

Jerry


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 09:41 am, Arv Evans wrote:
Yes, hijacking of threads has always been a problem on this and other similar groups.