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Re: Complaint Department

Vince Vielhaber
 

On 03/12/2018 12:54 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
Perhaps a link into a page on ubitx.net, if ZL1AXG is willing to
curate it.
Start with essential changes at the top, as hacks become less
essential state why you might want to do them.

Jerry, KE7ER
Shouldn't the wiki be used for this?

Vince.
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Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Jack Purdum
 

Dennis:

I think you've done a good job of categorizing the fragmentation all of us have probably have noticed. I belong to a number of Forums and it's not unusual for me to have over 80 posts in the morning. I want to read them all, but it's getting pretty hard to justify the time. It would really help me, and likely others, if posters would prefix their issue with the general class of the problem, followed by its specifics. For example:

    IDE-Programming: Multiple compile error messages

for a post where someone is having trouble compiling code in the Arduino IDE. I would read this as I stand a chance of helping. Another:

    Complex: A four transistor solution to PTT Thump

I would also read this as it's a problem for everyone. If it's simple instructions, I can follow along. Another:

    µBITX Design: Class E design for new PA

While I would be interested in this, I'm not an EE, so I would likely not read it, plus I enjoy QRP and PA's hold less interest for me. I would also add a category: Shipping Info, as a lot of posts are about when they bought the rig and when it arrived.
I realize getting thousands of people to follow a convention for posting would be difficult. However, I think it would be a HUGE benefit to everyone. Perhaps Arv has some thoughts on this.

Jack, W8TEE


From: Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...>
To: BITX20@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:06 AM
Subject: [BITX20] F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:
  • Original BITX20 Design
  • Original BITX40 Design
  • Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  • Simple uBITX Upgrades
  • Complex uBITX Upgrades
  • Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  • (Add Your Own Topic Here)
It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL



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Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Jack Purdum
 

Subgroups, to me, means that everyone in the group can nicely compartmentalize their area(s) of interest. Most groups that do this seem to have some subgroups fade away, or the main group does. I think the idea of a subject line that begins with what would be a subgroup name still allows members of the group to be more selective in what they choose to read while still having the ability to read more as their time allows.

Jack, W8TEE



From: Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz@...>
To: BITX20@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

The solution on groups.io is subgroups. However, that also requires a dedicated/active moderation staff to keep things on track.

Heck, even if we just could get the "when will my bitx arrive", "I got my ship date", "I got my bitx" somewhere else the volume would go down.

Tim N9PUZ

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL




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Re: Order

Joe Puma
 

Yes same here. Ordered on Jan 17th, just got shipping email this morning. 🏄

On Mar 13, 2018, at 7:39 AM, Fr Richard R via Groups.Io <rickocr2005=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Ordered my uBITX on 19 Jan. Received my PayPal shipment order today.

Fr Richard


Re: Hard core uBITx developers

Michael Monteith
 

Ron,
 You also might look up the group SatNogs.   They have some electronics that do satellite tracking as well as 3D parts for the tracking etc. 

73, Michael
KM4OLT


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:38 am, w7hd.rh wrote:
I am very interested in the servo control code and components and wiring!  I would like to adapt that to handle a pair of servos for an az-el rotor for my satellite Arrow antenna, which only weighs about 1-2 pounds.

Re: Complaint Department

Jerry Gaffke
 

Of course, using a menu entry for switching to CW mode does not rule out
including an iambic  keyer.  That's up to whoever writes the code.



On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 07:57 pm, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
The freed up analog pin would be quite useful, I'm thinking SWR/PWR.
I'd guess most uBitx users don't use the internal iambic keyer, will be several sources of
firmware if they want it, perhaps using digital pins freed up by moving to an i2c display.
Or could use a cheap PIC uC iambic keyer to drive the ptt line.
For a basic SSB rig, straight key on ptt is plenty, ideally at the tip of the mike jack. 
This is coming from a guy who has spent much of his on-air time using CW.

Re: Hard core uBITx developers

Joe Puma
 

There is also a large group on irc / freenet called hearsat. They have very knowledgeable people there. 

Joe
KD2NFC 


On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Michael Monteith via Groups.Io <michael_r_monteith@...> wrote:

Ron,
 You also might look up the group SatNogs.   They have some electronics that do satellite tracking as well as 3D parts for the tracking etc. 

73, Michael
KM4OLT

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:38 am, w7hd.rh wrote:
I am very interested in the servo control code and components and wiring!  I would like to adapt that to handle a pair of servos for an az-el rotor for my satellite Arrow antenna, which only weighs about 1-2 pounds.

Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Michael Monteith
 

Might be easier than getting people to use tags.   Unfortunately a large portion will probably not do either.

As for the ordering issue there is a FB group dedicated I think to posts of that nature.  At least get those out of here.

73, Michael
KM4OLT

Re: [uBiTx] last frequency memory?

sulu82@...
 

  Thank you KD8CEC andMike Woods . It works fine now .
 

Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Terry Morris
 

This group BitX20 became discombobulated prior to my joining. Upon joining its become difficult and at times frustrating trying to following the different platforms now addressed in this group. I feel each platform should have its own group, e.g. BitX20, BitX40, and uBitX. I have had no problems with my BitX40. Learning about the uBitX problem with toroids which affected delivery time was disheartening but my kit finally arrived after 2 months. Now, I am not concerned with shipping, rather issues concerning functionality of the uBitX before I begin construction and what hardware I need to replace and what software upgrades I need or will enhance my operation of my transceiver. There are no threads, therefore I have to look at every message which is a time waster. I am concerned about the uBitX only at this stage so if these messages, comments, etc. were more compartmentalized I could breeze past those that I need not read. So in general I agree with those that have commented in this thread, that is until the thread is broken.


Terry - KB8AMZ
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
Subgroups, to me, means that everyone in the group can nicely compartmentalize their area(s) of interest. Most groups that do this seem to have some subgroups fade away, or the main group does. I think the idea of a subject line that begins with what would be a subgroup name still allows members of the group to be more selective in what they choose to read while still having the ability to read more as their time allows.

Jack, W8TEE



From: Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz@...>
To: BITX20@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

The solution on groups.io is subgroups. However, that also requires a dedicated/active moderation staff to keep things on track.

Heck, even if we just could get the "when will my bitx arrive", "I got my ship date", "I got my bitx" somewhere else the volume would go down.

Tim N9PUZ

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL




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Re: uBITX Firmware CEC Version Added WSPR function, I am looking for a beta tester. #ubitx

Ian Lee
 

Carlos.
Excellent, Congratulations sent wspr, also Thanks for finding the bug.
I confirmed your callsign at wsprnet.org. The 10 watt output is awesome.
In the next release I'll fix the bug you found and upload it.

Ian KD8CEC

2018-03-13 20:54 GMT+09:00 Carlos E. Wenzel <Ik2yra@...>:

Hello Ian,
BPF are working ok now! As you can check IK2YRA on wsprnet.

 It takes me a while to found a delta between Master calibration (175000)and WSPR calibration (149000) i write it to the ubitx and  everything was perfect, so i saved the config as a file .btx to back up. 
But it was impossible to have the wspr cal parameter back on his bitx's Manager field reading from ubtx. 
I try to read it even loading my file .btx, but no way.  The field turns to have the Master Cal value (175000).
It seem to "stay alive" on ubitx's memory but if read it from ubitx and then write it back... you loose the wspr cal value.
Hope i been understandable. 
This is the only bug that I found. 
Thanks for your great JOB!
Carlos IK2YRA

2018-03-13 2:16 GMT+01:00 Ian Lee <kd8cec@...>:
Philip, Carlos and all

For the WSPR Beta version. Since the HEX file and the uBITX Manager link are in the thread, I send mail from here.
I posted uBITX Firmware (KD8CEC Version) which can beta test WSPR function.
(Version : 1.51W)

It does not use any device to send WSPR the such as the previous version. Only one uBITX board is required.
(A wristwatch within 5 seconds of the error range is also required.)

The problem with previous versions was that the Band Pass filter was not applied properly and the frequency was transmitted outside the WSPR band.
But Philip did the testing in ways I never thought. It is calculated by wrong frequency and entered directly.
The people who saw it in the BITX group succeeded in sending the WSPR according to Philip's method.

It looks like the problem has now been resolved.
The BPF problem was my mistake, and the frequency problem was the calibration problem.

As a result of applying Master Calibration already set in uBITX to new logic, we confirmed that WSPR is transmitted at the correct frequency.

The picture below shows the test pictures at 630M (474,200hz) and 10M (28,124,600Hz).






Before writing this article, Gerald saw the article I edited on my blog and made the test and it succeeded.

I think the WSPR implementation is not so difficult because there are already a lot of open source. I just apply the source code.
Rather, I think the test is more difficult. That's why I am so grateful to those who test me.

Please let me know your test result and I will check it on wsprnet.org and capture it.




Ian KD8CEC

2018-03-11 20:45 GMT+09:00 Philip <philip.g7jur@...>:
Hello Ian.

Is the WSPR frequency calculator in uBITX manager working correctly. Or is the uBITX transmitting on the wrong side band ?.
I would like test the update when you have done it.

Philip G7JUR



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Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Jerry Gaffke
 

Good subject lines are important.
For example, "Hey, I've got a question"  is not a good choice.
Nor is "Complaint Department".

The uBitx is a hot new product, 4000 shipped and still a big backlog.
Lots of development going on, and lots of people trying to figure out what it is.
Group activity is at a peak, will fall off considerably in a few months. 

Mike's curated ubitx.net website will have much of the stuff from the forum nicely organized.
The wiki, being a free-for-all like the forum, likely won't be so organized and up to date
as well the curated ubitx.net.   But if you see a pet subject being ignored, perhaps create
a rough wiki page and point it out to Mike.

Jerry


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:29 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
Subgroups, to me, means that everyone in the group can nicely compartmentalize their area(s) of interest. Most groups that do this seem to have some subgroups fade away, or the main group does. I think the idea of a subject line that begins with what would be a subgroup name still allows members of the group to be more selective in what they choose to read while still having the ability to read more as their time allows.
 

Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Vince Vielhaber
 

On 03/13/2018 10:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa wrote:
This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:

* Original BITX20 Design
* Original BITX40 Design
* Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
* Simple uBITX Upgrades
* Complex uBITX Upgrades
* Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
* (Add Your Own Topic Here)

It is becoming more and more difficult to find an answer to a specific
question or to even follow any one thread! This is often exacerbated by
a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original
topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group? Suggestions??????
Sure there is. Move it to a forum. I like forums but I'm not convinced this group is broken. 99% of the posts are easy to tell what they're about (B20, B40, uB, BS, ...). If you're having a problem discerning that, it probably means you're not used to the other products. Perhaps the web interface and the provided search facilities would help you.

Vince.
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Re: Complaint Department

Jerry Gaffke
 

When the box arrives, most new owners will find their way to 
     http://www.hfsignals.com/index.php/ubitx-wire-up/
and string it up.  Then put on their safety goggles and power it on. 
Hard to imagine 4000 new owners all digging around in the wiki for wire-up errata.

A pointer at the top of the wire-up on hfsignals to a curated errata/addendum webpage 
would allow Farhan to move on to other projects and ignore necessary edits.  
A good example of where this was needed would be the TDA2822 WX blowup,
the latest news was changing daily. 

Jerry



On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:25 am, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
On 03/12/2018 12:54 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
Perhaps a link into a page on ubitx.net, if ZL1AXG is willing to
curate it.
Start with essential changes at the top, as hacks become less
essential state why you might want to do them.

Jerry, KE7ER
Shouldn't the wiki be used for this?

Vince.

Satellite tracking

w7hd.rh <w7hd.rh@...>
 

I did, but their solutions are VERY expensive.

Ron W7HD


On 03/13/2018 07:39 AM, Michael Monteith via Groups.Io wrote:
Ron,
 You also might look up the group SatNogs.   They have some electronics that do satellite tracking as well as 3D parts for the tracking etc. 

73, Michael
KM4OLT

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 05:38 am, w7hd.rh wrote:
I am very interested in the servo control code and components and wiring!  I would like to adapt that to handle a pair of servos for an az-el rotor for my satellite Arrow antenna, which only weighs about 1-2 pounds.

-- 
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Editor OVARC newsletter

Re: Couple of questions for the gang

Vince Vielhaber
 

Yes, the wiper is still hot. I'm considering something similar. Since you're not going to be using the onboard audio, you may want to desolder or clip the power lead on the 2822 (pin 2). That way it won't be getting any power to go up in smoke.

Vince.

On 03/12/2018 05:14 PM, Gary Shriver wrote:
Hey guys,

Talk about frustrating. My uBitx arrived today and I leave for 6 days
tomorrow. Uggg. Have to wait until I get back.



But I do have a couple of questions. I opened the box and saw that I
have the WX version of the TDA 2822. I am planning on picking off the
wiper of the audio pot and ground to feed a line input mixer I use in
the shack that feeds amplified speakers. But, as I understand it, if
the WX TDA 2822 does go up in smoke, the wafer leg of the audio pot will
still be hot for my line level audio feed right??

Also, I have a couple of 8-ohm 5-watt resistors. Should I run one of
those where the speaker should go and even run an additional 8-ohm
resistor in series to get the load at 16 ohms? That will help the TDA
2822 keep from smoking itself right?



Thanks.. waiting to dive into this thing really stinks..

73-Gary

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Re: Please play well together

Vince Vielhaber
 

Yep, and every forum and FB group I've ever run has only had one rule, it has rarely been needed:

"Everyone here is supposed to be an adult. Act like one."

Vince.

On 03/12/2018 09:53 PM, John Kemker wrote:
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, I was active on a BBS network called
"FidoNet." The creator of FidoNet had an interesting pair of rules:

1) Do not be overly annoying.
2) Do not be too easily annoyed.

We'd all do well to remember those in everyday life.
--

73 de W5NNH

Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Arv Evans
 

Dennis KG4RUL, and others.....

It may be that the extreme focus on Farhan's BITX40 and uBITX has now died down
a bit, making other hardware and other issues more obvious.  This has always been
the BITX group, serving BITX designs from the earliest BITX20 over 10 years ago to
the latest BITX system.  When the next BITX design becomes available it too will be
supported here as an ongoing evolution of the BITX concept and design. 

Yes, hijacking of threads has always been a problem on this and other similar groups.
This may happen because it is easier to tail-end non-related comments onto someone
else's post, or just because some members do not know how to start a new thread for
a specific topic.  Fixing this would be almost impossible unless the system were
changed to a fully moderated group with all the delays and headache that would cause.

Modern email handlers do allow messages to be sorted and handled according to header
or thread name, but this requires each member to configure such handling on their own
email system.  This too is problematic because of the thread hijacking problem. 

In addition to threads or subgroups, there are user options that can be configured in
each member's profile at groups.io/g/bitx20.  These options select whether the user
receives:
  • Individual Email Messages

  • Full Featured Digest

  • Plain Digest

  • Daily Summary

  • Special Notices Only

  • No Email
To activate or change any of these options you have to log into the group using your
group ID and password.

At present there are not any particular subgroups configured, and subgroups can only
be defined by the system moderators.  This is an interesting possibility but one that
could be difficult to administer due to many people wanting their own personal subgroup(s).

Subgroups on groups.io are treated as separate member groups and would
require users to subscribe to both parent and sub-group.  This could be one
way to filter what you do or do-not see, but could also lead to further
fragmentation of the information stream. 


The issue of posts regarding orders, shipping, and delivery of uBITX boards is one that
should decrease in frequency once the initial overload of board manufacture has caught
up with demand.  This may be an situation we have to live with temporarily because the
initial offering of the uBITX was so successful.  This info is useful in the short-term
because there are people who are tracking delivery performance so that services can
be optimized.

Group members control adherence to thread content, and as such has much to do with
how the discussion group operates.  Allowing members to start new threads does make
the group less structured and maybe friendlier.  We could have more restrictive rules but
that would seem to block some of the more creative ideas for BITX design and use.  It
seems better to just watch what is posted and occasionally nudge off-topic members
back toward the intended focus on BITX related things.  If members would not reply to
off-topic posts it could possibly help alleviate the situation?

Arv  K7HKL
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> wrote:
This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:
  • Original BITX20 Design
  • Original BITX40 Design
  • Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  • Simple uBITX Upgrades
  • Complex uBITX Upgrades
  • Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  • (Add Your Own Topic Here)
It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Dennis KG4RUL


Re: F R A G M E N T A T I O N !

Michael Hagen
 

I was on a Big Big Pic list 30 years ago.  It got confusing too.  I like the fact most put uBit or BitX in the subject, that's a must.

The Pic List had a rule to put OT "Off Topic" in the subject if it was not specific?

Maybe just a few rules for the Subject line may allow folks to erase stuff they don't want?

Of course, just a few simple rules.  Too many rules that are complicated will just make things worse.


73's Mike, WA6ISP


On 3/13/2018 8:07 AM, Vince Vielhaber wrote:


On 03/13/2018 10:06 AM, Dennis Zabawa wrote:
This group is SSLLLOOOWWWWLLLLYYY being fragmented into disparate topics:

  * Original BITX20 Design
  * Original BITX40 Design
  * Basic uBITX Implementation Problems
  * Simple uBITX Upgrades
  * Complex uBITX Upgrades
  * Arduino IDE & Programming Issues
  * (Add Your Own Topic Here)

It is becoming more and  more difficult to find an answer to a specific
question or to even follow any one thread!  This is often exacerbated by
a shift in thread content that is in no way related to the original
topic title.

Is there a way to improve the structure of this group?  Suggestions??????

Sure there is.  Move it to a forum.  I like forums but I'm not convinced this group is broken.  99% of the posts are easy to tell what they're about (B20, B40, uB, BS, ...).  If you're having a problem discerning that, it probably means you're not used to the other products.  Perhaps the web interface and the provided search facilities would help you.

Vince.

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Re: Dirt cheap uBitx case #ubitx

Daniel Conklin
 

That looks great!  I've got the small Jameco case and it's just about a perfect fit.  I tried to glue my printed faceplate to it, and the solvent from the glue melted the faceplate and the enamel on the case, so I've got to come up with something safer.  Maybe I'll try spray cement.
Dan, W2DLC