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Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Jack, W8TEE
 

Well, Mike, you obviously missed the point, so there's no reason to continue.

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 7:55:45 PM EDT, Michael Walker <va3mw@...> wrote:


This has nothing to do with Bitx... sorry

And, if you think it is, then I want to talk about my HF antenna that hooks up to my BITX.

Can we kill this and take it elsewhere as this is a world wide group and not all of us live in California or even the US.

Mike va3mw


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:15 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
Jack,

When this topic came up here in Texas on the local ARRL section mail list/reflector, I encouraged everyone that is engaged in EmComm to take this opportunity to reach out to their serviced agencies and organizations and ensure everyone understand the needs and offerings of each, and that the current relationships are mutually beneficial. To me, that is the take-away from this story.

As a reminder, groups.io has a facility for 'muting' threads you are not interested in, for anyone not interested in following this, or any similar conversation. The way it works is you click on the mute link at the bottom of the message, and any subsequent replies to that email thread will not be sent to you. If someone decides to start a new thread on the same topic, you'll have to mute that thread as well to stop any responses to the new thread.

Ken, N2VIP

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 15:01, Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> If I were living in CA, I'd think this is a very BIG teapot. If I lived in OR or ID, I'd still see it as a huge teapot. From a legal precedent standpoint, I think all hams in any state who face similar leasing controls should be concerned, especially since the general public probably doesn't see or understand what's going on.
>
> Jack, W8TEE





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Jack, W8TEE

Re: 5w on 40 meters

Curt
 

Maurice

funny thing, my own v4 has a similar response of low power on 40m CW.  interesting you are getting it on a v5.  I am getting around 5w or so using a WM2 wattmeter on 40m, maybe just around 10w or so on 80m, and a boost in power as you see on 30 and 20 meters. 

I think the v5 retains the toroids feeding the 45 MHz xtal filter as in the v4?  now what might these have to do with CW transmit?  well I suspect some strange leakage involving these coils and other parts, as the ubitx seeks to 'leak' CW from the PLL direct through the mixer - without mixing as the diodes are biased.  as I tried to install a second xtal filter, the 40m leakage matter had more impact and my 40m output dipped a couple watts only.  

I am thinking you should enjoy what your nice rig does.  If you have an audio oscillator, you might find that you have better SSB output on 40m?  I don't see it is worth a lot of work to get from say 5 to 10 watts CW on 40m - its a tiny fraction of an S-unit. 

some have replaced those 45 MHz toroids with little (but high enough Q) shielded inductors, curing some spurs that mar the v4 on SSB and as part of the harmonic cure.  I have some, but not yet installed (I am enjoying a clean signal on lower bands already).

I tend to see a nice enough v5 you have.  it would be good to hear if any other v5's are doing this - but I don't see a huge reason to fix what you have. 

Curt wb8yyy

Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Michael Walker
 

This has nothing to do with Bitx... sorry

And, if you think it is, then I want to talk about my HF antenna that hooks up to my BITX.

Can we kill this and take it elsewhere as this is a world wide group and not all of us live in California or even the US.

Mike va3mw


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:15 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
Jack,

When this topic came up here in Texas on the local ARRL section mail list/reflector, I encouraged everyone that is engaged in EmComm to take this opportunity to reach out to their serviced agencies and organizations and ensure everyone understand the needs and offerings of each, and that the current relationships are mutually beneficial. To me, that is the take-away from this story.

As a reminder, groups.io has a facility for 'muting' threads you are not interested in, for anyone not interested in following this, or any similar conversation. The way it works is you click on the mute link at the bottom of the message, and any subsequent replies to that email thread will not be sent to you. If someone decides to start a new thread on the same topic, you'll have to mute that thread as well to stop any responses to the new thread.

Ken, N2VIP

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 15:01, Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> If I were living in CA, I'd think this is a very BIG teapot. If I lived in OR or ID, I'd still see it as a huge teapot. From a legal precedent standpoint, I think all hams in any state who face similar leasing controls should be concerned, especially since the general public probably doesn't see or understand what's going on.
>
> Jack, W8TEE




Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Ken Hansen
 

Jack,

When this topic came up here in Texas on the local ARRL section mail list/reflector, I encouraged everyone that is engaged in EmComm to take this opportunity to reach out to their serviced agencies and organizations and ensure everyone understand the needs and offerings of each, and that the current relationships are mutually beneficial. To me, that is the take-away from this story.

As a reminder, groups.io has a facility for 'muting' threads you are not interested in, for anyone not interested in following this, or any similar conversation. The way it works is you click on the mute link at the bottom of the message, and any subsequent replies to that email thread will not be sent to you. If someone decides to start a new thread on the same topic, you'll have to mute that thread as well to stop any responses to the new thread.

Ken, N2VIP

On Oct 16, 2019, at 15:01, Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io <jjpurdum=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

If I were living in CA, I'd think this is a very BIG teapot. If I lived in OR or ID, I'd still see it as a huge teapot. From a legal precedent standpoint, I think all hams in any state who face similar leasing controls should be concerned, especially since the general public probably doesn't see or understand what's going on.

Jack, W8TEE

Re: Using FT8 with Bitx40 (and microphonic problem). #bitx40 #ft8

Robert D. Bowers
 

Thanks.  I've got a working radio and don't want to mod it (I have no use for CW and want it pretty much stock) - I was hoping to learn of a setting in WSJT-X to make it work with LSB.

(I'm sick of having to work on stuff - long story - and would just like to be able to operate - and actually make some contacts.)


On 10/16/19 6:06 PM, Viktors Miske wrote:
See if I get this on the right post this time. (Smartphone not too bright).
Did a quick Google search, found this...


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 5:54 PM Robert D. Bowers <n4fbz@...> wrote:
I have a rock-stock BitX40 that I'm trying to get running with FT8 - I've pretty much given up on using this for sideband, as much as I wanted to have a portable 40m rig.  However, FT8 requires upper sideband, and the BitX40 is lower sideband only.  I'm hoping to get FT8 going with it (maybe even PSK31), so I can use it.  It seems sensitive enough, and for FT8 (or other protocols), the power out should be sufficient.

Is there some way to get WSJT-X to function with lower sideband?

Also, a minor problem - the radio board is microphonic when the audio is turned up.  I've gone crazy trying to find the source - it's somewhere in the middle of the board - but I can't find where (no matter how much I tapped with a non-conductive object.  Trying to use the radio for SSB - the feedback is very irritating - like an echo circuit.  (It would be nice to be able to use the radio as intended - if I can get through/past the Kilowatt crowd.)

Any suggestions on what component might be the problem?  (At lower volume levels, you just about cannot tell that it's there.)

Thanks!
Bob
N4FBZ

5w on 40 meters

Maurice Bersan
 

So I decided to check the output of my stock v5. These are the results CW.
80m  18w
40m    5w
30m    14w
20m     10w
15m     7w
10m      4w
Used two different power meters and two different dipole antennas and two different tuners. I don't have a lot of test gear so any clues as to where I should start looking?
Thanks in advance

Re: Using FT8 with Bitx40 (and microphonic problem). #bitx40 #ft8

Viktors Miske
 

See if I get this on the right post this time. (Smartphone not too bright).
Did a quick Google search, found this...


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 5:54 PM Robert D. Bowers <n4fbz@...> wrote:
I have a rock-stock BitX40 that I'm trying to get running with FT8 - I've pretty much given up on using this for sideband, as much as I wanted to have a portable 40m rig.  However, FT8 requires upper sideband, and the BitX40 is lower sideband only.  I'm hoping to get FT8 going with it (maybe even PSK31), so I can use it.  It seems sensitive enough, and for FT8 (or other protocols), the power out should be sufficient.

Is there some way to get WSJT-X to function with lower sideband?

Also, a minor problem - the radio board is microphonic when the audio is turned up.  I've gone crazy trying to find the source - it's somewhere in the middle of the board - but I can't find where (no matter how much I tapped with a non-conductive object.  Trying to use the radio for SSB - the feedback is very irritating - like an echo circuit.  (It would be nice to be able to use the radio as intended - if I can get through/past the Kilowatt crowd.)

Any suggestions on what component might be the problem?  (At lower volume levels, you just about cannot tell that it's there.)

Thanks!
Bob
N4FBZ

Re: 80m transmit stopped working, all other bands fine #ubitx-help

Curt
 

Don

glad it was operator error - it happens.  appreciate all your posts here.

I have a U3S for WSPR - its 200-300 mW reach VK, ZL, ZS and Antarctica on 30-40m.  I need to build a few watt PA for 80 and 160m for it.  I keep also thinking I should put my ubitx to work to do some WSPR receiving for others. 

73 Curt

PS do study the daisy-chain arrangement of relays in case you do have an issue. note a lot can be tested with an ohm-meter as relays get toggled by band switching. 

Using FT8 with Bitx40 (and microphonic problem). #bitx40 #ft8

Robert D. Bowers
 

I have a rock-stock BitX40 that I'm trying to get running with FT8 - I've pretty much given up on using this for sideband, as much as I wanted to have a portable 40m rig.  However, FT8 requires upper sideband, and the BitX40 is lower sideband only.  I'm hoping to get FT8 going with it (maybe even PSK31), so I can use it.  It seems sensitive enough, and for FT8 (or other protocols), the power out should be sufficient.

Is there some way to get WSJT-X to function with lower sideband?

Also, a minor problem - the radio board is microphonic when the audio is turned up.  I've gone crazy trying to find the source - it's somewhere in the middle of the board - but I can't find where (no matter how much I tapped with a non-conductive object.  Trying to use the radio for SSB - the feedback is very irritating - like an echo circuit.  (It would be nice to be able to use the radio as intended - if I can get through/past the Kilowatt crowd.)

Any suggestions on what component might be the problem?  (At lower volume levels, you just about cannot tell that it's there.)

Thanks!
Bob
N4FBZ

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Murray Wills (ZL2IQ)
 

All good, you are correct – IO has the ability to ignore threads so that’s all fine.

Pretty much history here. You guys have a far better relationship and understanding with fire and law enforcement which would be the envy of other countries including New Zealand, so it is worth fighting to retain it.

Murray Zl2IQ

 

From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2019 9:57 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

 

Probably doesn't, so read the subject line, then delete it...although I suppose you could face similar problems over there, too.

 

Jack, W8TEE

 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 4:23:19 PM EDT, Murray Wills (ZL2IQ) <murray@...> wrote:

 

 

How does this relate to BITx and those of us outside the USA?

Murray ZL2IQ

 


From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:06:54 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

 

I disagree Arv. I started a new thread specifically so I wouldn't tread on an existing post and members could judge their interest in the topic. Personally, I think every ham should care about the topic, but some won't, perhaps because they see it as a State problem and, hence, not affecting them. As I recall, HOA antenna restrictions started out the same way, and soon spread throughout the US. Anyway, I think my subject line clearly stated the thread's content and is more informative than a generic "info-topic" subject line would be. I think the additional details makes it easier for someone to simply erase the post if they're not interested.

 

Jack, W8TEE

 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 3:19:09 PM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

 

 

Occasionally there are actions that have great potential to affect ham radio as a whole

but start as small local changes.  Maybe the topic for posts about these events should

be labeled "info-topic" so that those with very narrow fields of interest can avoid reading

them. 

 

We do have quite a few "off-topic" posts from time to time.  Maybe the solution would

be for moderators to allow the particular topic to run for a few days and then lock the

topic so that no more re-posts on that topic would be allowed.  This seems reasonable

but does potentially block later readers from commenting (good?, bad?).

 

Arv  K7HKL

_._

 

 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:01 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:

As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

 

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

 

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?

 


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Jack, W8TEE


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Jack, W8TEE

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Tom, wb6b
 

I suppose this has some relevance here, as some people here are getting groups of hams set up with uBitx radios to form emergency communication networks. 

So lets look at this from the myopic perspective of the government agencies. Their view of the world is so the police cars driving around and the fire trucks going to calls can communicate. They have no interest in handling messages for the citizens. Or providing a communications lifeline for citizens when all other forms of communications for the general public have gone down. 

That is the importance of Ham radio, to provide the communications lifeline to the citizens during emergencies. Because the Amateur Radio operators have taken it upon themselves to develop an independent communications network and give of their time to maintain the equipment, train and organize the people to provide this communication service to the people that the official agencies will not provide.  

So, it may be best to just forget about the idea that we have any use to the official agencies and all their fancy communication networks as they drive around in their vehicles. (Admittedly a very important thing.) And concentrate on Amateur Radio as being the communication lifeline for the population at large, who will be left behind as far as communication needs, when disaster strikes. 

Tom wb6b

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Jack, W8TEE
 

Probably doesn't, so read the subject line, then delete it...although I suppose you could face similar problems over there, too.

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 4:23:19 PM EDT, Murray Wills (ZL2IQ) <murray@...> wrote:


How does this relate to BITx and those of us outside the USA?
Murray ZL2IQ


From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:06:54 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending
 
I disagree Arv. I started a new thread specifically so I wouldn't tread on an existing post and members could judge their interest in the topic. Personally, I think every ham should care about the topic, but some won't, perhaps because they see it as a State problem and, hence, not affecting them. As I recall, HOA antenna restrictions started out the same way, and soon spread throughout the US. Anyway, I think my subject line clearly stated the thread's content and is more informative than a generic "info-topic" subject line would be. I think the additional details makes it easier for someone to simply erase the post if they're not interested.

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 3:19:09 PM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Occasionally there are actions that have great potential to affect ham radio as a whole
but start as small local changes.  Maybe the topic for posts about these events should
be labeled "info-topic" so that those with very narrow fields of interest can avoid reading
them. 

We do have quite a few "off-topic" posts from time to time.  Maybe the solution would
be for moderators to allow the particular topic to run for a few days and then lock the
topic so that no more re-posts on that topic would be allowed.  This seems reasonable
but does potentially block later readers from commenting (good?, bad?).

Arv  K7HKL
_._


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:01 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?


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Jack, W8TEE

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Jack, W8TEE

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Evan Hand
 

It relates to the use of the uBITX as a part of the armature radio hobby, and what can happen here can happen elsewhere. (BTW, I do not live in California, so am not directly impacted, YET)

It seems to me that using multiple means to publish information like this is a good thing.  Is it really so difficult to just delete the messages?  I know there are many topics that stretch the uBITX theme that I ignore when they come up.  Real simple to delete based on the subject.

Again, My thoughts, others are entitled to theirs.
73
Evan
AC9TU

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Murray Wills (ZL2IQ)
 

How does this relate to BITx and those of us outside the USA?
Murray ZL2IQ


From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:06:54 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending
 
I disagree Arv. I started a new thread specifically so I wouldn't tread on an existing post and members could judge their interest in the topic. Personally, I think every ham should care about the topic, but some won't, perhaps because they see it as a State problem and, hence, not affecting them. As I recall, HOA antenna restrictions started out the same way, and soon spread throughout the US. Anyway, I think my subject line clearly stated the thread's content and is more informative than a generic "info-topic" subject line would be. I think the additional details makes it easier for someone to simply erase the post if they're not interested.

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 3:19:09 PM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Occasionally there are actions that have great potential to affect ham radio as a whole
but start as small local changes.  Maybe the topic for posts about these events should
be labeled "info-topic" so that those with very narrow fields of interest can avoid reading
them. 

We do have quite a few "off-topic" posts from time to time.  Maybe the solution would
be for moderators to allow the particular topic to run for a few days and then lock the
topic so that no more re-posts on that topic would be allowed.  This seems reasonable
but does potentially block later readers from commenting (good?, bad?).

Arv  K7HKL
_._


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:01 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?


--
Jack, W8TEE

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Evan Hand
 

I agree with Jack that as long as the topic is clear, it is easy enough to ignore.  In this case I view it as a reminder that we need to constantly prove our worth for not just the space to install gear, but more importantly, the allocation of spectrum.  It can start with getting kicked out of emergency services locations, to then questioning why there are so "few" who get value out of the spectrum, to not being able to have a hobby.  I know that is extreme, however it serves to let everyone know that we need to prove our worth to keep our current privileges.  They are not rights, and must be continuously earned.

My thoughts, you are entitled to your own.
73
Evan
AC9TU

locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Jack, W8TEE
 

I disagree Arv. I started a new thread specifically so I wouldn't tread on an existing post and members could judge their interest in the topic. Personally, I think every ham should care about the topic, but some won't, perhaps because they see it as a State problem and, hence, not affecting them. As I recall, HOA antenna restrictions started out the same way, and soon spread throughout the US. Anyway, I think my subject line clearly stated the thread's content and is more informative than a generic "info-topic" subject line would be. I think the additional details makes it easier for someone to simply erase the post if they're not interested.

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 3:19:09 PM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


Occasionally there are actions that have great potential to affect ham radio as a whole
but start as small local changes.  Maybe the topic for posts about these events should
be labeled "info-topic" so that those with very narrow fields of interest can avoid reading
them. 

We do have quite a few "off-topic" posts from time to time.  Maybe the solution would
be for moderators to allow the particular topic to run for a few days and then lock the
topic so that no more re-posts on that topic would be allowed.  This seems reasonable
but does potentially block later readers from commenting (good?, bad?).

Arv  K7HKL
_._


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:01 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?


--
Jack, W8TEE

Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Jack, W8TEE
 

...which is exactly what my quoted material says. Transferring the responsibility to another agency begs the question: "Why?" Note how COES is passing the buck in your quote below and one should be asking why? If I were living in CA, I'd think this is a very BIG teapot. If I lived in OR or ID, I'd still see it as a huge teapot. From a legal precedent standpoint, I think all hams in any state who face similar leasing controls should be concerned, especially since the general public probably doesn't see or understand what's going on.

Jack, W8TEE

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 3:07:37 PM EDT, Terence Taylor <n6mon@...> wrote:


This is a tempest in a teapot. Please see the below information from our section manager:

The State of California has not made any determination we can find "that Ham Radio [is] no longer a benefit. "What happened is that CAL FIRE has transferred responsibility for its communications sites to its property management department.  That department has the task of evaluating each site, its condition, use and tenants.  If a repeater not known to be associated with the emergency management function of a local jurisdiction is found in a CAL FIRE vault, the default action is to move it out or subject it to commercial rental rates.
Our contact in the California Office of Emergency Services suggests that, if any affected repeater is in any way involved with local emergency or government support activity, they should ask that agency to engage with CAL FIRE concerning the repeater.  If the agency makes the case, there is a good chance that the repeater will be unaffected.


On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 8:29:19 AM PDT, Joe Puma <kd2nfc@...> wrote:


It’s amazing how news travels ala word of mouth or for the internet, social media gossip.  

 

This is what I originally read, then heard conflicting stories. I’m glad I hold reservations to anything I digest over the internet.

 

https://offgridsurvival.com/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit/

 

 

Joe

KD2NFC

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:01 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

 

No, it's not a hoax and the ARRL has info posted on it:

 

ARRL officials who have also looked into the situation agree that it’s been blown out of proportion by parties with their own agendas.

“The State of California has not made any determination we can find ‘that Ham Radio [is] no longer a benefit,’” Pacific Division Director Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, is quoted on the Sacramento Valley Section website. “What happened is that CAL FIRE has transferred responsibility for its communications sites to its property management department. That department has the task of evaluating each site, its condition, use, and tenants. If a repeater not known to be associated with the emergency management function of a local jurisdiction is found in a CAL FIRE vault, the default action is to move it out or subject it to commercial rental rates.”

“Our contact in the California Office of Emergency Services suggests that, if any affected repeater is in any way involved with local emergency or government support activity, they should ask that agency to engage with CAL FIRE concerning the repeater. If the agency makes the case, there is a good chance that the repeater will be unaffected,” Tiemstra added.

ARRL Southwestern Division Director Dick Norton, N6AA, has been responding to inquiries with the same message.

 

I find the section in yellow particularly nettlesome because it looks like a state-agency pissing contest is brewing and that is almost never good for the party in the middle.

 

 

Jack, W8TEE

 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 10:55:23 AM EDT, Joe Puma <kd2nfc@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Jack,

 

I read that exact article and similar others on the web was a hoax. I really don’t want to dig up where I read this info, it was on other email lists or maybe even Facebook, but I did hear that this info was a hoax.

 

Joe

Kd2nfc

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:43 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

 

I think you're wrong, Ken. Just because it doesn't directly pertain to someone in Europe doesn't mean those in the US--a fairly large number, BTW--shouldn't hear about it. I'm assuming that those who are not interested in the thread are smart enough not to read it. Also, the US is replete with examples of "one state" setting precedent for other states to follow. Nipping that trend in the bud is often critical and, to do that, one needs to know about the gathering clouds on the horizon.

 

I don't apologize for the posting and see it as keeping fellow hams informed about something that might bite them in the butt down the road.

 

Jack, W8TEE

 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 11:01:42 PM EDT, Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:

 

 

As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

 

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

 

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?

 

It doesn't.

Ken, N2VIP

 

On Oct 15, 2019, at 16:35, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


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locked Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System, Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Arv Evans
 

Occasionally there are actions that have great potential to affect ham radio as a whole
but start as small local changes.  Maybe the topic for posts about these events should
be labeled "info-topic" so that those with very narrow fields of interest can avoid reading
them. 

We do have quite a few "off-topic" posts from time to time.  Maybe the solution would
be for moderators to allow the particular topic to run for a few days and then lock the
topic so that no more re-posts on that topic would be allowed.  This seems reasonable
but does potentially block later readers from commenting (good?, bad?).

Arv  K7HKL
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On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:01 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?

Re: 80m transmit stopped working, all other bands fine #ubitx-help

Don - KM4UDX
 

Raj and Evan -- I am such an idiot.  It is toooo embarrassing to admit to the mistake I made.

As we all know, WSJT-X allows for setting of power level per band.  I always pay attention to these settings maximizing the prudent RF output per band.  Can you see where this is going? On 80m I failed to catch the low setting on the RF power level in WSJT-X. 

As soon as I use a keyer, not the WSJT-X tune,  the RF was there in abundance.   Am I an idiot? Yes. Is this embarrassing? Yes.

Is the mighty uBITX capable of 24/7 multiband operation for months and months? Well, clearly yes.

I will now slink into the corner....

Thank you all.

Don
km4udx

Re: Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

Terence Taylor
 

This is a tempest in a teapot. Please see the below information from our section manager:

The State of California has not made any determination we can find "that Ham Radio [is] no longer a benefit. "What happened is that CAL FIRE has transferred responsibility for its communications sites to its property management department.  That department has the task of evaluating each site, its condition, use and tenants.  If a repeater not known to be associated with the emergency management function of a local jurisdiction is found in a CAL FIRE vault, the default action is to move it out or subject it to commercial rental rates.
Our contact in the California Office of Emergency Services suggests that, if any affected repeater is in any way involved with local emergency or government support activity, they should ask that agency to engage with CAL FIRE concerning the repeater.  If the agency makes the case, there is a good chance that the repeater will be unaffected.


On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 8:29:19 AM PDT, Joe Puma <kd2nfc@...> wrote:


It’s amazing how news travels ala word of mouth or for the internet, social media gossip.  

 

This is what I originally read, then heard conflicting stories. I’m glad I hold reservations to anything I digest over the internet.

 

https://offgridsurvival.com/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit/

 

 

Joe

KD2NFC

 

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From: Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 11:01 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,EndangeringLives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

 

No, it's not a hoax and the ARRL has info posted on it:

 

ARRL officials who have also looked into the situation agree that it’s been blown out of proportion by parties with their own agendas.

“The State of California has not made any determination we can find ‘that Ham Radio [is] no longer a benefit,’” Pacific Division Director Jim Tiemstra, K6JAT, is quoted on the Sacramento Valley Section website. “What happened is that CAL FIRE has transferred responsibility for its communications sites to its property management department. That department has the task of evaluating each site, its condition, use, and tenants. If a repeater not known to be associated with the emergency management function of a local jurisdiction is found in a CAL FIRE vault, the default action is to move it out or subject it to commercial rental rates.”

“Our contact in the California Office of Emergency Services suggests that, if any affected repeater is in any way involved with local emergency or government support activity, they should ask that agency to engage with CAL FIRE concerning the repeater. If the agency makes the case, there is a good chance that the repeater will be unaffected,” Tiemstra added.

ARRL Southwestern Division Director Dick Norton, N6AA, has been responding to inquiries with the same message.

 

I find the section in yellow particularly nettlesome because it looks like a state-agency pissing contest is brewing and that is almost never good for the party in the middle.

 

 

Jack, W8TEE

 

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 10:55:23 AM EDT, Joe Puma <kd2nfc@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Jack,

 

I read that exact article and similar others on the web was a hoax. I really don’t want to dig up where I read this info, it was on other email lists or maybe even Facebook, but I did hear that this info was a hoax.

 

Joe

Kd2nfc

 

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From: Jack, W8TEE via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:43 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cal Fire Moves to Dismantle Ham Radio System,Endangering Lives Amid Blackouts and Wildfires | Trending

 

I think you're wrong, Ken. Just because it doesn't directly pertain to someone in Europe doesn't mean those in the US--a fairly large number, BTW--shouldn't hear about it. I'm assuming that those who are not interested in the thread are smart enough not to read it. Also, the US is replete with examples of "one state" setting precedent for other states to follow. Nipping that trend in the bud is often critical and, to do that, one needs to know about the gathering clouds on the horizon.

 

I don't apologize for the posting and see it as keeping fellow hams informed about something that might bite them in the butt down the road.

 

Jack, W8TEE

 

On Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 11:01:42 PM EDT, Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:

 

 

As an international mail list (reflector) threads like this don't belong here.

 

It's specific to one state of one country, and there are literally dozens of more suitable venues than this for any discussion of this subject.

 

How does the policy of CalFire in California, USA Regarding repeater space on public land n the state of California impact the Lithuanian trying to assemble an HF station based on a uBitx or Bitx40?

 

It doesn't.

Ken, N2VIP

 

On Oct 15, 2019, at 16:35, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


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