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Re: No More Smoke -- Changes to our podcast

w4rjp
 

Let's hope it is just an April Fool's joke!

Bob, W4RJP

Re: No More Smoke -- Changes to our podcast

bobolink
 

Wins most elaborate April’s Fools so far this morning! 
And here I was blaming “Road Kill Computers” for Pete’s problems.

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Jim Sheldon
 

Shortly after I posted the "Open Letter", I got a private email from someone who shall remain nameless, sort of chastising me for using the name "Skunk Works" for our company since it's a registered trademark of the Lockheed Martin company dating back to the days of the U2, SR-71 and other fantastic aircraft of the day (probably some under development today as well). 

As I told this individual, #1 we don't have a "company" and it was meant as a "tongue-in-cheek" joke referring to our behind-the scenes activities in developing software and hardware items that are intended to help enhance the uBITX transceiver and #2, I believe Mr. Kelly Johnson of Lockheed "Skunk Works" fame, were he still alive, would understand and appreciate my reference to his "focus group" in the context that I used it.

Since my use of the "Skunk Works" reference was never intended to refer to a "company" in the first place, I hardly think that Lockheed Martin would even worry about it's use in that vein.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Frank King
 

I have heard of many folks using the term “Skunk Works.” I  think  it all originated in Al Capp’s comic strip, “Lil Abner,’ way back in the 40s. I fondly remember it. I loved Joe Brstsk, the little guy that wandered around with a continuing little black rain cloud over his head. That’s me.

 

Frank King

AA7XA

 

 

From: BITX20@groups.io [mailto:BITX20@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 6:45 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

 

Shortly after I posted the "Open Letter", I got a private email from someone who shall remain nameless, sort of chastising me for using the name "Skunk Works" for our company since it's a registered trademark of the Lockheed Martin company dating back to the days of the U2, SR-71 and other fantastic aircraft of the day (probably some under development today as well). 

As I told this individual, #1 we don't have a "company" and it was meant as a "tongue-in-cheek" joke referring to our behind-the scenes activities in developing software and hardware items that are intended to help enhance the uBITX transceiver and #2, I believe Mr. Kelly Johnson of Lockheed "Skunk Works" fame, were he still alive, would understand and appreciate my reference to his "focus group" in the context that I used it.

Since my use of the "Skunk Works" reference was never intended to refer to a "company" in the first place, I hardly think that Lockheed Martin would even worry about it's use in that vein.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

Re: No More Smoke -- Changes to our podcast

Robert D. Bowers
 

There is a saying about you know things are getting bad when you can't tell if it's reality or a joke.  I know of too many incidences like that to find this funny - and I DO find this frightening as I've heard worse and it fits in with reality in recent years.  (It reminds me a bit of SLAPP lawsuits I've known about - which are SUPPOSED to be against the law.)

If it's a joke, I hope that there is a disclaimer that comes out - and mentioned on this server as I don't 'do' podcasts.

Bob

N4FBZ

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Scott McDonald
 

Jim - Forgive the OT, I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw this.
 
About 10 years ago my son had to do a graphics design project for school, so did one on some radio activities of mine, and we registered the site as Scottysskunkworks.
 
My son was shocked when he received an official Cease and Desist letter from Lockheed Martin's outside counsel.  Me too, as I do that sort of stuff for a living.
 
Needless to say it was resolved in short order and we maintained the site as it was originally set up several years after that.  In my experience, most general counsel would be somewhat upset to see their outside trademark counsel chasing a high school project website not associated with the delivery of goods or services, let alone something like your the casual reference to a skunkworks, but Clarence, that trademark and the remarkable stuff associated with it may be a high profile matter internally.
 
Keep up the good work.
 
Scott ka9p
 
 
 
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank King <aa7xa@...>
To: BITX20 <BITX20@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2018 9:17 am
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

I have heard of many folks using the term “Skunk Works.” I  think  it all originated in Al Capp’s comic strip, “Lil Abner,’ way back in the 40s. I fondly remember it. I loved Joe Brstsk, the little guy that wandered around with a continuing little black rain cloud over his head. That’s me.
 
Frank King
AA7XA
 
 
From: BITX20@groups.io [mailto:BITX20@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 6:45 AM
To: BITX20@groups.io
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx
 
Shortly after I posted the "Open Letter", I got a private email from someone who shall remain nameless, sort of chastising me for using the name "Skunk Works" for our company since it's a registered trademark of the Lockheed Martin company dating back to the days of the U2, SR-71 and other fantastic aircraft of the day (probably some under development today as well). 

As I told this individual, #1 we don't have a "company" and it was meant as a "tongue-in-cheek" joke referring to our behind-the scenes activities in developing software and hardware items that are intended to help enhance the uBITX transceiver and #2, I believe Mr. Kelly Johnson of Lockheed "Skunk Works" fame, were he still alive, would understand and appreciate my reference to his "focus group" in the context that I used it.

Since my use of the "Skunk Works" reference was never intended to refer to a "company" in the first place, I hardly think that Lockheed Martin would even worry about it's use in that vein.

Jim Sheldon - W0EB

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Ken Hansen
 

Without delving too deep into a subject area I am in no way an expert, I found this finding in a court case involving "skunk works":

" On September 18, 1973, Lockheed registered the mark SKUNK WORKS on the Principal Register of the United States of America as a service mark pursuant to Certificate of Registration No. 968,861 for "engineering, technical, consulting, and advisory services with respect to designing, building, equipping, and testing commercial and military aircraft and related equipment." The mark was re-registered on July 14, 1981."


To infringe on the trademark is to violate the Lanham Act:

"The Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1051 et seq., was enacted by Congress in 1946 based on the power granted to it by the Commerce Clause.  It provides for a national system of trademark registration and protects the owner of a federally registered mark against the use of similar marks if such use is likely to result in consumer confusion, or if the dilution of a famous mark is likely to occur.  The scope of the Lanham Act is independent of and concurrent with state common law."


As long as you aren't "engineering, technical, consulting, and advisory services with respect to designing, building, equipping, and testing commercial and military aircraft and related equipment" I think you are free to use the term "skunk works" in an informal context without fear of legal action.

Based on my research, Lockheed does not own every instance of the word 'skunk' followed by the word 'works' - it has protections over those words in certain contexts, not all.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 1, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb@...> wrote:

Shortly after I posted the "Open Letter", I got a private email from someone who shall remain nameless, sort of chastising me for using the name "Skunk Works" for our company since it's a registered trademark of the Lockheed Martin company dating back to the days of the U2, SR-71 and other fantastic aircraft of the day (probably some under development today as well). 

Re: Arduino For Idiots?

Stephen Wandling
 

Ron, it will be a week or two before my Arduino Nano board arrives. In the mean time I can read the Kindle. 

As I mentioned to David, acronyms are my biggest hurdle. But, once I get into 'hands on' mode, I suspect that will diminish.

72   Stephen   VE7NSD 


On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 4:48 AM w7hd.rh, <w7hd.rh@...> wrote:

As someone who is fast approaching 75, I can understand your viewpoint!  But I have found that learning on the Arduino is FUN!  So it isn't like having to study - you can just dive in and make things happen with an occasional reference to the Kindle.

Ron W7HD


On 03/31/2018 10:20 PM, Stephen Wandling wrote:

Steven, yesterday I knew nothing about Arduino.  I know a bit more after reading the first bit of the Kindle I mentioned.  How much I want to know, is a question that is premature for me. 

I was looking for some peace of mind, and if I bought a BITX, I did not want to be stepping into a 'world' that would require 'extensive' education on my part.  If that were the case, I would probably not buy the BITX.

Once I begin working my my Nano, I may decide I need to take my Arduino up a notch, or not.  And with the BITX I suspect it will be much the same.  If I REALLY want a feature, I would learn how to make it happen.

I am closer to 80 than to 75 and serious education is not usually on my horizon.  While I often watch a Youtube on some topic, just to get the general idea of how things are done, I value having time to think when I read.

Stephen

VE7NSD


On 3/31/2018 8:53 PM, Steven Read wrote:
I am not sure how much you already know about the Arduino & how much you want to know but this appears to be a good starting point 

I am OLD SCHOOL & like to see how to do something rather than read about it until I have built up some proficiency. I do not have a BITX20 but went through this a couple of years ago when my wife got a small robot with an Arduino board in it from RadioShack. Compared to some others the IDE seems a bit primitive by current standards. 

I am assuming putting the BITX20 together will not present any problems or I may just have missed that as I am rushing to get this sent. 

I am typing this on my phone & am a few minutes from it shutting down due to battery. I will check back here regularly to watch for your posts.

Steven Read - ab9ol - (em79jt) Dublin, IN 

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Re: No More Smoke -- Changes to our podcast

Paul Smith
 

Hmmm. Where's there smoke...I smell more, a rat maybe ?  ;-) 

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Jerry Gaffke
 

I suppose when Jim gets sued by Lockheed for using the term "skunk works" in an forum thread,
he can switch using "skonk works".  Al Capp may not mind so much anymore.

Wikipedia confirms the Al Capp genesis, in the section toward the end under "Term Origin":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works

"The “Skonk Works" was a dilapidated factory located on the remote outskirts of Dogpatch, in the backwoods of Kentucky. According to the strip, scores of locals were done in yearly by the toxic fumes of the concentrated "skonk oil", which was brewed and barreled daily by "Big Barnsmell" by grinding dead skunks and worn shoes into a smoldering still, for some mysterious, unspecified purpose."

Or Jim could move to some other country when he gets sued.
Britain's already taken, with a business that seems much closer to Al Capp's original intent:
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-skunkworks-britains-fastest-growing-legal-2366249
"Our investigator bought a £10 Formula X “chemical pellet” containing ingredients derived from coal tar and crude oil and El Blanco, what appears to be a cocaine substitute, for £25."

Jerry


On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 08:19 am, Ken Hansen wrote:
To infringe on the trademark is to violate the Lanham Act:
 
 

Re: #ubitx Progressive 50dB+ Software based RX (and TX) IF attenuation. #ubitx

Jack, W8TEE
 

Amen...I've been saying this for years...

Jack, W8TEE


On Sunday, April 1, 2018, 2:10:47 AM EDT, John <passionfruit88@...> wrote:


I just wished they were written as capital L. It would have saved me some head scratching...hihi

73, John

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Jim Sheldon
 

Hah!  Somehow I don't think that Lockheed Martin would even bother with me since I didn't name a company the "Skunk Works" and just used it like so many other people have, in passing, as a joking reference to things that were a bit out of the ordinary in their development.  I certainly don't think the uBITX could even remotely be considered a "U.S. Defense Project" - LOL!

I used to be a huge fan of Al Capp's "Lil Abner" comic strip when I was a kid, even before I got "eddicated" enough to understand some of the really subtle humor he wrote into his characters and their antics.  Not only that but he was able to do that without someone crying "FOUL" on him and everyone enjoyed it.  

I gotta admit though I think "Skonk Worx" would be a more appropriate name for our little group if we were ever to create a company out of it (highly unlikely) - LOL.

Jim  

------ Original Message ------
From: "Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io" <jgaffke@...>
Sent: 4/1/2018 10:56:06 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

I suppose when Jim gets sued by Lockheed for using the term "skunk works" in an forum thread,
he can switch using "skonk works".  Al Capp may not mind so much anymore.

Wikipedia confirms the Al Capp genesis, in the section toward the end under "Term Origin":
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works

"The “Skonk Works" was a dilapidated factory located on the remote outskirts of Dogpatch, in the backwoods of Kentucky. According to the strip, scores of locals were done in yearly by the toxic fumes of the concentrated "skonk oil", which was brewed and barreled daily by "Big Barnsmell" by grinding dead skunks and worn shoes into a smoldering still, for some mysterious, unspecified purpose."

Or Jim could move to some other country when he gets sued.
Britain's already taken, with a business that seems much closer to Al Capp's original intent:
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-skunkworks-britains-fastest-growing-legal-2366249
"Our investigator bought a £10 Formula X “chemical pellet” containing ingredients derived from coal tar and crude oil and El Blanco, what appears to be a cocaine substitute, for £25."

Jerry


On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 08:19 am, Ken Hansen wrote:
To infringe on the trademark is to violate the Lanham Act:
 
 

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Paul Smith
 

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you - Woody Allen

Paul ZS2OE

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

David
 

It would be interesting to challenge the trademark as Lockheed has allowed it to fall into general use. Many companies and people use the term to illustrate a type of behavior and not to refer to Lockheed. Just as it would be interesting to see if the Google trademark would hold up as they have let it become a verb. Trademarks must be defended or they can fall. Also, I believe, in the US first in commerce and not first to register establishes trademark. Yes, one can have two of the same names if they exist in two separate industries, especially if the individuals are not in the others’ industry. Of course, what do I know.

Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

Arv Evans
 

The post by Bill Meara is hilaryous.  Apparently many on this group are taking it way too
serious.  This is April Fools Day.
Bill's off-topic post seems to have caught a lot of people before their morning coffee.  8-)
I suspect that now we have to recognize Bill as the master of double-entendre for this
extremely punny post. 

Arv
_._


On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 10:42 AM, David <dokrent@...> wrote:
It would be interesting to challenge the trademark as Lockheed has allowed it to fall into general use. Many companies and people use the term to illustrate a type of behavior and not to refer to Lockheed. Just as it would be interesting to see if the Google trademark would hold up as they have let it become a verb. Trademarks must be defended or they can fall. Also, I believe, in the US first in commerce and not first to register establishes trademark. Yes, one can have two of the same names if they exist in two separate industries, especially if the individuals are not in the others’ industry. Of course, what do I know.




Re: Open letter to the uBITX community from Jim Sheldon, W0EB. #ubitx

cove37
 

If "Skunk Works" proves unusable, how about "Termite Terrace"?

On Sunday, April 1, 2018, 11:53:51 AM CDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:


The post by Bill Meara is hilaryous.  Apparently many on this group are taking it way too
serious.  This is April Fools Day.
Bill's off-topic post seems to have caught a lot of people before their morning coffee.  8-)
I suspect that now we have to recognize Bill as the master of double-entendre for this
extremely punny post. 

Arv
_._


On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 10:42 AM, David <dokrent@...> wrote:
It would be interesting to challenge the trademark as Lockheed has allowed it to fall into general use. Many companies and people use the term to illustrate a type of behavior and not to refer to Lockheed. Just as it would be interesting to see if the Google trademark would hold up as they have let it become a verb. Trademarks must be defended or they can fall. Also, I believe, in the US first in commerce and not first to register establishes trademark. Yes, one can have two of the same names if they exist in two separate industries, especially if the individuals are not in the others’ industry. Of course, what do I know.




Re: KD1NA, Here's another try to get you the software

Paul Galburt - K2AYZ
 

Great, I was just looking for the 4 line version.

Re: Making front panel labels

Daniel Conklin
 

I spelled LocTite wrong.  

Re: #ubitx #ubitx-help Wow! the ubitx.net/ site is amazing! #ubitx #ubitx-help

Bill Carpenter <nz0tham@...>
 

Thanks for posting the link - I did not know about this site.  My uBITX arrives next week so the timing of your post is perfect!

73, Bill NZ0T

Re: Icom HM-103 mic with uBITX

Bill Carpenter <nz0tham@...>
 

Anyone?  LOL.