Re: SMD Group Build
I wish someone would put together an assortment of, say, 40 common values, quantity 100 of each value and market it for some reasonable markup for resistors and caps. For the club build, I'd prefer 1206 since this is a huge step for some of the club members. BTW, today I just got 40 clear plastic 1.25"x0.75" cosmetic sample jars (eBay #332506418787). Tomorrow I'm going to Target and buy Velcro sticky tape "dots" and place one half on the bottom of the jar, and the other on a piece of plywood which hangs on the wall. Now if somebody has an assortment of 40 common values, they go into the jar and I'm ready to go. Each jar will have a small Avery label on it. Jack, W8TEE
From: Diver Martin <diver.martin@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build Jack, Just as a point of reference: Going for 5% tolerance 1k ohm resistors, and buying 1000 at a time, a quick search on digikey gives me: 1000x 0603 resistors: $2.07 1000x 0805 resistors: $3.03 1000x 1206 resistors: $4.63 For reference 1000x axial TH resistors: $7.29. At a half penny a pop, the cost of 1206 vs 0603 I'm betting isn't going to be a noticable difference. (At 100qty, they're about 2x as much, ~$0.01 each, or $1 for 100). You can really sneeze hard and not loose a lot of money. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
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Re: uBitx TX performance with frequency
Ashhar Farhan
You can increase drive with the preset of the predriver. - f
On 24 Jan 2018 6:24 pm, "KD8CGH" <rkayakr@...> wrote: I took some time to measure the actual performance of my uBitx with its original calibration against a dummy load. The instruments used are not lab calibrated. I did check my wattmeter against my recently factory calibrated K3 and found the power reported to be about 5% high. The power supply is rated as 25 amps and set at 13.7 volts. I tested by simply pressing the PTT (no audio input, power out 0) and keying CW.
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Re: Oscilloscope for Beginners - A story
Ashhar Farhan
There is a very strong connection of ham radio and tek. Many of our heros are alumni of tek. They invented many things. I found out they invented the tunnel diode, made their own devices, displays. - f
On 24 Jan 2018 11:10 pm, "Michael Hagen" <motdog@...> wrote:
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Re: SMD Group Build
Diver Martin <diver.martin@...>
I've found it's never worth it for me to etch my own PCB's. Ferric chloride, and all those other etchants, blech. And, a total lack of vias and soldermask, no thanks....
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
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Re: #ubitx and 6 meters
#ubitx
Tom Christian
Thanks, Bill! I'll be anxious to hear what you find. I sure will be glad when my ubitx finally shows up so I can join the fun for real....:)
Tom AB7WT
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Re: Oscilloscope for Beginners
Ashhar Farhan
The rigol ds1052e is very good for general use. I can see upto 200 mhz on it. Works well, it has a nominal spectrum analyzer too. - f
On 24 Jan 2018 10:29 pm, "Goran VE6GPO" <goran.poprzen@...> wrote:
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Re: SMD Group Build
Do you feel that is easier than, say, doing a Muppet board and etching it yourself? Jack, W8TEE
From: Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build I use double side, plain copper clad. Then, with a sharp knife (i use a glass cutter), i score off an island of 3x2 to 5x2 squares of about 0.25inch to a side. I use all around for the ground plane, and solder the 1206 betweeb the pads. The sot23 transistors are soldered at a corner of three squares. If the ground planing ia crucial, i drill a number of holes around the top ground plane and solder small pieces of wire to connect to the Bottom ground On 25 Jan 2018 10:24 am, "William R Maxwell" <wrmaxwell@...> wrote:
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Re: SMD Group Build
Diver Martin <diver.martin@...>
Jack, Just as a point of reference: Going for 5% tolerance 1k ohm resistors, and buying 1000 at a time, a quick search on digikey gives me: 1000x 0603 resistors: $2.07 1000x 0805 resistors: $3.03 1000x 1206 resistors: $4.63 For reference 1000x axial TH resistors: $7.29. At a half penny a pop, the cost of 1206 vs 0603 I'm betting isn't going to be a noticable difference. (At 100qty, they're about 2x as much, ~$0.01 each, or $1 for 100). You can really sneeze hard and not loose a lot of money.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
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Re: SMD Group Build
It looks more like a happy grain of salt to me! I have very little experience myself with SMD's, but they don't scare me anymore. Perhaps a partial reason is because I can't see most of them... Jack, W8TEE
From: William R Maxwell <wrmaxwell@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build 0805 is a happy
medium.
Bill, VK7MX
On 25/01/2018 3:20 PM, Jack Purdum via
Groups.Io wrote:
I can barely see a 0603! I would prefer 1206 if I can find
them and am not too worried about the cost differential.
Jack, W8TEE
From: Clark Martin <kk6isp@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build Clark
Martin
KK6ISP
I’ve
only bought from Digikey a few times but I use
Mouser all the time. Also there are Newark and
Allied for such supplies.
I
bought a set of 0805 resistors (from 0 ohm through
several Mohms) and a set of 0805 caps (10s of pF
through 1µF). They came on cards that fit a day
planner binder. There are between 1 and four
strips of 25 each for each value (depending on
expected usage levels). I have little trouble
working with 0805 parts and they fit nicely on
.1” grid perfboard (with plated through holes).
When I
use up a strip I buy a new strip of 25 at a local
electronics shop (Silicon Valley still has a few).
I
haven’t done any PCB fabricating yet but that is
in the plans.
SMD
diodes and transistors of most any size are easily
soldered to perfboard.
I’ve
also soldered up to 8 pin SOICss buy putting
alternate pins on the perfboard pads and tack
soldering leads to the other pins.
It
definitely makes for smaller boards.
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Re: SMD Group Build
Ashhar Farhan
I use double side, plain copper clad. Then, with a sharp knife (i use a glass cutter), i score off an island of 3x2 to 5x2 squares of about 0.25inch to a side. I use all around for the ground plane, and solder the 1206 betweeb the pads. The sot23 transistors are soldered at a corner of three squares. If the ground planing ia crucial, i drill a number of holes around the top ground plane and solder small pieces of wire to connect to the Bottom ground
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Re: SMD Group Build
William R Maxwell
0805 is a happy medium. Bill, VK7MX
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Re: BitX40 voltage booster implementation
That's the same one I use Mike.....
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Re: Creating Gerber files for pcb construction
William R Maxwell
If you play around
with the quantity on the on-line quotation screen on the
website of just about any othe Chinese manufacturers, you will
see that 10 boards usually cost exactly the same total as any
lesser quantity, provided the size is within the specified
maximum for their current special offer, usually a maximum of
100mm x 100mm. Hence my hint of a week or so back to order 10.
On 25/01/2018 10:57 AM, Gordon Gibby
wrote:
First set of boards arrived today -- not sure why they shipped me TEN boards, I only ordered five. This is all new to me. Soldered in header sockets. Wished I'da thought of that for ALL the i/o connections. Found at least one error so far -- forgot to ground pin 5 of the LCD display. Have not soldered in the op amp portion but got the LCD working (after adding little ground wire) and verified that the Adafruit Si5351 is bring controlled --- communications receiver hears it right where I send its frequency to. This so SO cool..... Can't believe how much this forum has taught me in just a few weeks. This is going to be huge for our local ARES group. Loads of skills they can learn. Gordon ________________________________________ From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:35 PM To: BITX20@groups.io Subject: Re: [BITX20] Creating Gerber files for pcb construction I don't have the exact number, but one company was about $24 (including shipping) and the other company was $28 (including shipping) --- 5 boards each company. First time customer. ________________________________________ From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of B C <k9wis@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:19 PM To: BITX20@groups.io Subject: Re: [BITX20] Creating Gerber files for pcb construction what did those boards cost you?? Brian K9WIS ---- Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...> wrote:Thanks to all your suggestions I made two trial orders: pcbway.com jlcpcb.com About last friday night/saturday. The first set is supposed to arrive sometime tomorrow (wednesday) and the other set on Thursday. amazing. Fingers crossed that I did this correctly!!! Showed this project to my youngest son (working as a new auto mechanic) and he was motivated to get out the christmas arduino kit I gave him and immediately started building LED circuits....astonishing my wife and me....may help him out in life. ________________________________ From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 12:09 AM To: BITX20@groups.io Subject: Re: [BITX20] Creating Gerber files for pcb construction Thanks for yet another great suggestion. I have now created a "flying jumpers" breadboard version using a couple of different resistive bridge designs --- the K6BEZ design driven by the Si5351 directly didn't produce enough voltage to make the reverse measurement accurate and I gave up after several hours on that. Would need to add an amplification stage I believe... The easy swr indicator kit from https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qrpkits.com_ezseries.html-23ezswr&d=DwIFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=E2shNumHkU2z89FEz9fB1rmv1B9-9CwkXYgBQ56sX18&s=wATr3kl2cd5RzPMIGfxbDzykiABvusgbH-fnLXPAkSA&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qrpkits.com_ezseries.html-23ezswr&d=DwMFAw&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=McWMTsaWY88BIHjI9RhDX8BXq0BroHl6MaH6P7zGTVo&s=iOg3ff6bkbrqV9BQbMsupWJHkEUhFqFcHTVOepLM0YM&e=> (no LED, just take the rectified voltage and run into an op amp with a gain of about 6) produced a voltage that seemed to work. My circuit is sorta haywire (with egloo jumpers everywhere) and the pcb version would be FAR MORE STABLE but I'm able to measure shorts, 25 ohm, 50 ohm, 100 ohm, 220 ohm and open circuit and get "sorta close SWR" measurements at frequencies up to maybe 30 MHz. There is so much haywiredness to the breadboard that I can't make any better observations at the moment. The PCB should be a ton more mechanically stable. Earlier today I put it on a real antenna and it did find the resonance. A friend is working on the "single meter" SWR version using a toroidial swr measurement head (which I also have built and should also work). The goal there is to emulate the $129 LDG big meter display of SWR..... The pcb that I cranked out (and now being built in China, fingers crossed!) should work with both. (2 different inputs). You folks are a lot brighter at this stuff than I am but it has been a ton of fun just getting this much to work! I think this is going to be a great building project for our ARES group. ________________________________ From: BITX20@groups.io <BITX20@groups.io> on behalf of William R Maxwell <wrmaxwell@...> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:02 PM To: BITX20@groups.io Subject: Re: [BITX20] Creating Gerber files for pcb construction Another to consider is www.jlcpcb.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jlcpcb.com&d=DwMF-g&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=IdE0tYxjCfc0L_NPXEC5rll-igwhgt6ppqTzraUYlNc&s=WtrSAHHYrh1yu_YDRixyHaUjQzv0a3Hp9-zY2b8fanM&e=>. I have just received 10 boards for a mere $2 total, including DHL shipping. Note the there is a sixe limit of 100mmx100mm, and two layers, green solder resist and 1.6mm material. This offer I think is limited to your initial order. A subsequent set of 3 boards, 10 copies each, cost me $29, including shipping. Bill, VK7MX On 21/01/2018 12:38 AM, Gordon Gibby wrote: Wow!!! Thank you for that wonderful tip. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2018, at 06:51, Kerr Smith <kerrsmithusa@...<mailto:kerrsmithusa@...>> wrote: Have you looked at PCB Shopper? You just set the size of your PCB and how any boards you require and it will list all the main PCB fabrication sites and how much it will cost: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pcbshopper.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=E2shNumHkU2z89FEz9fB1rmv1B9-9CwkXYgBQ56sX18&s=0xNqpq13ii9aT1Sh5iz_prDuqOsArD7fo-GvxVduS2A&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pcbshopper.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=tVwyxBAPRZNQpdExa-g1tsq8okRaE7YCQUjWUUW6hMg&s=x1CZZZOSFNIXEjRrVRTlehkNhcaChUif1k7nsMKwx4Q&e=> For my latest PCBs I tried AllPCB and was extremely pleased with the results, they had an offer on at the time so for $5 I got 7 boards on one order and for my second $5 order I got 17 boards (if your boards are small they seem to add in extra to your order) - they were all shipped using TNT and arrived in just 5 days. At the current time the total cost is $12 for 5 boards up to 35mm x 35mm with free TNT shipping: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.allpcb.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=E2shNumHkU2z89FEz9fB1rmv1B9-9CwkXYgBQ56sX18&s=XnTdlYHqFlKmjNeCLrFl6eNp9UdCG5Xzx2kDDYXCyOg&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.allpcb.com_setinvite.aspx-3Finviteid-3D30276-26url-3Dhttp-3A__www.allpcb.com_online-5Fquote.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=tVwyxBAPRZNQpdExa-g1tsq8okRaE7YCQUjWUUW6hMg&s=VRALDmdsziyoxueeKz6mXPEvcc6DHC3hcVq_mlvqGIo&e=> The other site I would recommend is OSHPark: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__oshpark.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=E2shNumHkU2z89FEz9fB1rmv1B9-9CwkXYgBQ56sX18&s=z3OHoUEftZQXgilq__PmOkVk9mUQmTqOuH12jAGHT0c&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__oshpark.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=pZJPUDQ3SB9JplYbifm4nt2lEVG5pWx2KikqINpWlZM&r=3ELgZgmTnPzGsfvQxkd1S_2NGLYM8sHTxVCQKFxhVXQ&m=tVwyxBAPRZNQpdExa-g1tsq8okRaE7YCQUjWUUW6hMg&s=dqHZt9-lgSwySoNuMqvHedfU_5GT-Uu8usvQgbFEknc&e=> They are the ones who do the purple PCBs which look really great and also pretty cheap, only a few dollars (around $9.50) for three 35mm x 35mm boards with shipping included. I am so pleased that the price for creating PCBs yourself is now this low, up until now I have been carefully making my own by etching them but now I can get them in a few days if I need them fast or a couple of weeks if I don't mind waiting. There are so many different fabrication sites there is always going to be a great deal to be had if you shop around a bit, the PCB Shopper site I mentioned above is really great for this.
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Re: Power Supply Option
I HIGHLY suggest one of these: http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/ I put one into a box with volt and amp meters. I also added a dual USB port to it for charging stuff. The ONLY noise I get from it is actually from the switching regulator in USB module I used and that only happens when the port is in use.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:13 PM, David Lacey via Groups.Io <g4jbe@...> wrote:
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Re: Can uBITX be modified for AM Phone operation?
Nelson
Howdy Jerry, I am looking forward to getting the uBITX and getting it together so I can learn about this stuff. Most of my equipment glows in the dark so this arduino stuff is all new to me and I am looking forward to playing around with it. I am planning to get another uBITX or a BITX40 etc just to play around with the programming and hardware. Perhaps I'll play around with trying to get AM operation out of one of the single band units. I'll be sure and post if it can be done (or even if I just can't figure out how to do it...) Thnaks, Nelson KG7GYS
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote: AM Phone would require a significant redesign. --
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Re: SMD Group Build
I think 0805 is about as small as we'd want to go. Man, one good sneeze with 0603's and the project's dead. Good to know about the PCB houses. Sounds like that's the way to go. Jack, W8TEE
From: Diver Martin <diver.martin@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build Hi Jack, SMT board is the same as Through hole, no cost difference. Some PCB manufactures will put a limit on the hole density, but it's usually gotta be something pretty high like 1000 holes/sqin (think perfboard). As an example, OSHPark charges $5/sqin. It doesn't matter if it's all SMT + vias, no vias no drills, or TH. 2 layers, $5/sqin as big as you want to go. Mouser & Digikey are my go-to for SMT parts. They carry just about everything. If you have other oddball SMT stuff, and either one are out, head to findchips.com. There are alternate suppliers, but those two always have what I need, either in the exact specified part number, or an equivalent. Other places will source 1206's and stuff, but might only sell by the full reel (which I have yet to need, except maybe 0.01uF caps or 0.1uF caps across multiple, multiple projects). SMD resistors/caps (0603, 5% in my case) are usually cheap enough that I buy them in 1000-piece quantity, because $2 of parts for life or $0.5 for the parts I need for the project, and to always have them on hand, is easy. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote: All: Martin Held - AE7EU http://ae7eu.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there aren't any questions, then what is there to learn?
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Re: BitX40 voltage booster implementation
Clark Martin
Clark Martin KK6ISP
Check the idle current, it might not be very much in which case there is little advantage to switching it on with TX.
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Re: BitX40 voltage booster implementation
vk3xl@...
I use one of these in one of my BitX40s.
http://173.214.160.240/item/in-stock-MP9141ES-MP9141/32800753682.html?spm=0.search0305.3.53.619060867Nvj7u&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_0_10130_10615_10617_10616_10618_10059_10534_10313_10084_100031_10083_10547_10624_10546_10623_441_10307_442_10548_10341_10065_10142_10340_10068_10343_10342_10103_10620_10344_10325_10545_10622_10324_10621,searchweb201603_0,ppcSwitch_0&algo_pvid=c90bd8e3-3705-43cd-980a-a810f9ce870c&algo_expid=c90bd8e3-3705-43cd-980a-a810f9ce870c-7 I have it set to 12V and it powers the main part of the circuit board and the raduino. The finals are powered separately but from a common DC connector. This allows me to power the rig from any voltage source from 12V to 28V without having to make any internal adjustments. The Bucking converter does not introduce any noise that I can hear above the band noise on 40 meters as far as I can tell. -- Mike VK3XL
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Re: SMD Group Build
I can barely see a 0603! I would prefer 1206 if I can find them and am not too worried about the cost differential. Jack, W8TEE
From: Clark Martin <kk6isp@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build Clark Martin KK6ISP
I’ve only bought from Digikey a few times but I use Mouser all the time. Also there are Newark and Allied for such supplies. I bought a set of 0805 resistors (from 0 ohm through several Mohms) and a set of 0805 caps (10s of pF through 1µF). They came on cards that fit a day planner binder. There are between 1 and four strips of 25 each for each value (depending on expected usage levels). I have little trouble working with 0805 parts and they fit nicely on .1” grid perfboard (with plated through holes). When I use up a strip I buy a new strip of 25 at a local electronics shop (Silicon Valley still has a few). I haven’t done any PCB fabricating yet but that is in the plans. SMD diodes and transistors of most any size are easily soldered to perfboard. I’ve also soldered up to 8 pin SOICss buy putting alternate pins on the perfboard pads and tack soldering leads to the other pins. It definitely makes for smaller boards.
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Re: SMD Group Build
Thanks, I might give this a try. Jack, W8TEE
From: Ancel <protofabtt@...> To: BITX20@groups.io Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] SMD Group Build This is how I DIY SMT.... https://hackaday.io/project/7938-pcb-smt-maker-lab-home -- AncelB, MIT EE6002
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