moderated Re: QST September 2019 pg42 to 47

Donald <donwestpwl@...>

Ron N7FTZ, you seem not to realize, Jack W8TEE is already published.

On 8/22/2019 3:36 PM, Dr. Flywheel wrote:

I just love educated responses that use Bullshit as an argument. What could be more reliable?

Cost of Books - See:
If, for example, you are majoring in architecture or engineering, you may need computer programs that an English or Education major won’t need. The national average for this category in 2017 was $1,100, but the cost of books is soaring every year so count on it going up from 8%-10% from year-to-year.

As much as you like to flatter yourself about the high loss rate of books "stolen" via file sharing services (torrent is one type), this type of traffic is almost negligible. Most torrent type traffic is PORN content. Empirical data that I received from ISP traffic pattern analysis indicates that about 93% of the file sharing protocols (in action) carry tagged PORN data. eBook tagged data traffic is almost not measurable in the grand scheme of things.

Good luck on changing the world. Now it is a competition between your high-value books (that apparently are not going to be published, due to lack of profitability) and what people are actually consuming en mass 24/7/365.

--Ron    N7FTZ

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <> wrote:
See below:
Jack, W8TEE

On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:48:25 PM EDT, Dr. Flywheel <Dr.Flywheel@...> wrote:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The real question is what works in real life. Here are a few points to think about for people who insist on living in a virtual world:
  1. Many people use torrents to download books, in order to preview their content. Are you really saying that people only use torrent sites to preview books? Far and away most are using the site to get a free book and have no intention of paying for it regardless of its worth. To think otherwise is woefully naive. This is due to the fact that public libraries are limited in their ability to purchase and keep all the books in the world in their limited physical space. Do not assume that if someone downloads your book, they actually keep it forever. What difference can it possibly make whether they keep a free download book or not?
  2. I like previewing books prior to purchase. I also like physical books and my house is filled with them. I always purchase my books at bottom dollar, either "pre-owned" or "old stock". I use eBay, Amazon, B&N, etc for my purchase. As an author, you will not see a dime coming back to you through my purchase. However,  if you buy a used copy, at least someone bought the book and the author was paid for that copy. If you rip off a copy or someone gives you a file that contains the book, my guess is that copy has never been paid for.;
  3. Publishing for FREE has never stopped me from doing just that. If you are using the Internet, if you are using an Intel-based PC, if you are using Linux, if you are using an Android smart phone, if you are using WiFi technology, than you are using code, tools, and documents that I authored and/or contributed to maintain. I have never seen a dime coming back to me for my contributions, neither do I expect remuneration or royalties for my work. All of my work, including that in the Arduino Projects book is Open Source for both the hardware and software. So, in one sense I am paid for it, but in another I receive nothing for it. You're free to write what you want and disseminate it in whatever format you wish. However, publishers expect a return on their investment and I see nothing wrong with that.
  4. Many publishers act as a Mafia to squeeze a significant $$ by guarding the gates to publishing and physical distribution. When I went to college, my books cost between $3 and $10 each (Dover Edition). What is the justification for charging between $100 and $300 for a book used for educating university students and then changing the book edition every year to prevent resale of books (recycling)? There are many places where students can buy used books at reasonable prices. Perhaps one reason books are so expensive at university books stores is because publishers are getting ripped off by torrent sites. It could be a chicken-egg thing.
  5. Limiting information flow to the public will never work in today's world. the capabilities are there to distribute and share information by electronic means. This levels the playing field for all participants. The capabilities are orders of magnitude stronger than any laws on the books, as well as the ability to enforce such laws. Authors are better off being benevolent (open source) or offer their products at an enticing and fair price, or ask for voluntary pay from the consumer. There are already many people who take such attitude and being successful at dealing with reality. Do you get to determine "fair price"? Or perhaps the costs of development, editing, printing, binding, marketing, distribution and other costs play a more important part in determining a fair price. How do you know what my time is worth? Hint: You don't have a clue.
  6. Student debt in the U.S.A is already $1.48 TRILLION. great part of that is attributed to the cost of books Bullshit.. Someone is getting rich in this system and typically it is not the authors. Agreed, and torrent sites play a significant role.
 The world is constantly changing and sticking to old guns does not pay off. I suggest to stop whining and get on with your regularly scheduled programming...

--Ron   N7FTZ

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:57 AM Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <> wrote:
This is an issue that hits home for me. One of my publishing companies has 3 people who's only job is to shut down torrent sites that allow free downloads of their books. Two years ago, they closed down over 2,000 sites that were downloading copyright material. They estimate that for every book I sell, three are downloaded illegally. We've even had universities point their students to these sites. It's impossible to stop them because the capital costs are little more than the cost of getting a domain name.

True, I'm out the royalties lost, but that's not the real cost of downloading/copying copyright material...regardless of the country's laws about it. The real cost are the books that don't come to the market because authors now know it's simply not worth the effort. If I were in it just for the money, I would have stopped writing around the turn of the century. We've even had readers on this site give the URL's of where my books can be downloaded free of charge. Since there is no way to stop them, my attitude now is: If you illegally download the book and read it, and decide it was worth it, then buy a copy of the book. I doubt there are many who follow this plan, but what else can an author do? It's a rock-hard-place situation.

Jack, W8TEE

On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 11:38:17 AM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

The issue of posting something that might be under copyright does come up fairly frequently.
When this happens a lot of bandwidth is usually taken by those who charge in to protect the
copyright or patent, and not much ever comes of it.  Most do not know, or do not want to
admit, that for over half of the world copyrights and patents are irrelevant and are not enforced.
This makes it difficult or impossible to police violations in those countries.   Posting protected
material on a global forum like the BITX20 group seems to be a gray area because the person
posting the material may be in one of the unenforceable areas but the post can be read by
persons located in an enforceable area.  Best we can do is to ask that you do not post protected
material, and to remove those posts when it happens. 

Arv  K7HKL

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 11:00 PM kh6sky <kh6sky@...> wrote:
I have asked for permission from the ARRL to post an article from the early 60's and they refused to grant.  I am not optimistic about anything recent.  I have noted that QST authors sometimes post their articles on their own websites, for which I suppose they have permission, but don't know if it would be a work-around to go though the author and ask him to post it here.

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