Weddig, HenningChristof <HenningChristof.Weddig@...>
John, thanks for the intensive research on the PA stage. To my experience the RD16HFF1 really need a very high quiescent current of about 500 mA each not good for a QRP design. The output transformer plays an important role in the design. Normally a 1 to 4 impedance transformation (12.5 ohms to 50 ohms) is suffficient. Each transistor "sees" half of the impedance i.e. 6.25 ohm. The windings of the tranformer must be capacitively compensated and for the windings the so called leakage inductance mimimized. Another big issue is the choke for the supply voltage: the common used center tapped transformer without the choke is nor recommended. Ashar Farhan uses two isolated chokes, to my experience a bifilar wound choke is the better choice.
I never reached output powers above 10 W on my designs, e.g. the G6ALU design useed in teh PIC A STAR and more or less copied by G6LBQ.
I tried a Guanella type transformer with 25 ohm coax cable plus a balun on its output, the result was disappointing. I never got output powers above 10 W
For a good balanced design all even order harmonics (2nd, 4th etc) should be minimal.
Sorry folks, even after long and intensive experiments I can not give You THE optimal design!
Henning Weddig DK5LV
Am 15.02.2018 um 15:15 schrieb Gordon Gibby:
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John, thank you for that extremely well documented information. Makes me much more interested in considering this. I wonder if the efficiency indicates that the circuit design could be improved? On Feb 15, 2018, at 08:39, John <passionfruit88@... <mailto:passionfruit88@...>> wrote:
I have done a strait replacement of the IRF510s with RD16HHF1s. Here are the before and after values I got. All tests done with uBitx VR1 drive level in the same position of approx 60% of range. 1. IRF510s and main board at 12.1V. PA idle current checked at 0.20A total (factory setting) so assume 100mA in each final. (For info, Rx currents: 164mA no volume, about 209mA "normal" volume).  At 7.1Mhz: 10W, total current: 1.79A, of which PA current: 1.31A, therefore main board current 0.48A  At 14.2Mhz: 5.5W, total current: 1.39A, of which PA current: 1.0A, therefore main board current 0.39A  At 21.2Mhz: 2.2W, total current: 0.95A, of which PA current: 0.53A, therefore main board current 0.42A  At 28.1Mhz: 1.3W, total current: 0.95A, of which PA current: 0.53A, therefore main board current 0.42A 2. IRF510s with 16.5V, 13.8V for main board. PA total idle current checked at 0.21A. (For info, Rx currents: 188mA no volume, about 230mA "normal" volume).  At 7.1Mhz: 19W, total current: 2.65A, of which PA current: 2.09A, therefore main board current 0.56A  At 14.2Mhz: 11W, total current: 2.20A, of which PA current: 1.80A, therefore main board current 0.40A  At 21.2Mhz: 5.5W, total current: 1.40A, of which PA current: 1.00A, therefore main board current 0.40A  At 28.1Mhz: 2.2W, total current: 1.02A, of which PA current: 0.60A, therefore main board current 0.42A I haven't found a definitive reference for the safe and optimum values of the RD16HHF1s idle bias current but it seems to range from 200 to 500mA. So I would not recommend long term usage of the 500mA bias I used for these measurements. I will reset mine to probably the 400450mA value I read from some articles. 3. RD16HHF1s and main board at 12.1VDC, 250mA idle bias each (Total 0.5A PA idle current).  At 7.1Mhz: 10W, PA current: 1.20A  At 14.2Mhz: 9W, PA current: 1.21A  At 21.2Mhz: 4.5W, PA current: 0.65A  At 28.1Mhz: 5.5W, PA current: 0.95A 4. RD16HHF1s and main board at 12.1VDC, 500mA idle bias each (Total 1A PA idle current).  At 7.1Mhz: 10W, PA current: 1.18A  At 14.2Mhz: 9W, PA current: 1.26A  At 21.2Mhz: 5W, PA current: 0.71A  At 28.1Mhz: 6W, PA current: 1.11A 5. RD16HHF1s and main board at 13.8VDC, 500mA idle bias each (Total 1A PA idle current).  At 7.1Mhz: 13.5W, PA current: 1.95A  At 14.2Mhz: 13.5W, PA current: 1.93A  At 21.2Mhz: 6W, PA current: 1.38A  At 28.1Mhz: 9.5W, PA current: 1.79A Interesting observations: A. The RD16HHF1 produces a much flatter power curver over frequency (in my device), although it shows a dip somewhere near the 15m band. B. The IRF510 can produce some nice power in the lower frequencies when increasing the PA supply voltage, but it comes at the price of a steep power drop at higher frequencies. C. The bias does not seem to influence the efficiency of the finals at full power with RD16HHF1, since biasing at 250 and 500mA produces essentially the same output for the same DC power input. Assuming distortion reduces with higher bias, can we assume a higher bias (within limits) is preferable? Any risk of thermal runaway? D. The board main current (which includes the current in the driving stages of the power amplifier) does not seem to change with frequency from 20m onwards. Is this because the gain is pretty constant? If so, most of the drop in power with increasing frequency seems to be in the IRF510s, supporting the results obtained with the RD16HHF1s. E. With the current uBitx PA circuit the RD16HHF1 seems limited in output, although not having the proper test equipment I can't say where the limitation occurs. F. When I increased the drive through VR1 I noticed that at around 40% for the lower frequencies and at around 60% for the top frequencies I get a compression effect and the output does not increase much more from there on. I left it at 60% and got a positive feedback on the voice quality on my first QSO on 40m. Therefore I assume that the compression/clipping is not significant at that level (but I can't measure the sprectral purity). So since my target was around 10W on 10m and 10 to 15W on 40m minimum I can say I have reached my goal just by changing the finals to RD16HHF1s and supplying the board with 13.8VDC (below the 15.2/15V stated in the respective datasheets of the RD16HHF1 and TDA2822). To replace the finals I simply cut the legs of the IRF510s about 3mm above the board and correspondingly cut and crossed over the drain and source pins of the RD16s to match, then soldered in place. It would be interesting to compare these results with others who performed the finals swap on the stock uBitx. Next is the installation of the TPA2016 audio amplifier with I2C controllable AGC.
This is a lot of fun. All the best, 73, John (VK2ETA) <IMG20180215233124.jpg>
