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Some Southern Innovations

Ken Nelson
 





Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Some Southern Innovations







Not very Arcane but a good one

Raymond Nierlich
 

Hi Guys, 
Not particularly Arcane so excuse me bombing the list. I am selling a couple of the fleet on Bring a Trailer in the next week. The first my 1960 Bugeye Sprite, she went live this morning. The '64 Mini Cooper probably tomorrow or the next. Both real solid, straight drivers with excellent 1275 drivetrains. Know of anyone that needs a sorted English car?

Best, 
Ray
cell 831-235-0414





[FIAT America] imports

Larry Sacks
 

This was posted in FIAT America…. But it definitely applies here….

---------- Forwarded message ---------

Well, this is a worrisome trend for those interested in importing 25yr+ Alfas, Fiats and Lancias.



Re: Twini Moke

Fred Cisin
 

WOW!!

Thanks for showing us that!

I LOVE IT!!
When I first started to work on Honda (600s), I shared a building with Randall Smith, who worked on Minis


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@...

On Fri, 19 Nov 2021, Lou via groups.io wrote:
    I saw an article in Vintage Truck magazine that might    
interest the Austin Mini owners.            
.   See below:        Lou                   
   
    [IMAGE]


Re: Twini Moke

David Russel
 

The 2CV 4x4 Sahara appeared in December 1960 and essentially ended in 1968 although apparently one more was made in 1971.  The Sahara preceded the BMC Moke twin engine prototypes

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:16 PM Lou via groups.io <c1937=znet.com@groups.io> wrote:
   
   
   
    I saw an article
in Vintage Truck magazine that might    
interest the Austin Mini owners.            
.   See below:        Lou                   
   
   
   
       
   
   
   
   
   


Twini Moke

Lou
 

   
   
   
    I saw an article
in Vintage Truck magazine that might    
interest the Austin Mini owners.            
.   See below:        Lou                   
   
   
   
       
   
   
   
   
   


Books, Books & more books

David Russel
 

Some may be of interest or even helpful, so here goes:

David


Re: China is Coming: Observations from an Expert | In Depth

Dave Smith
 

I just watched one where Sandy said there's about 30 Chinese EV car companies that could flatten the rest of the world. I wonder how many will operate like Sandy/Tesla. I'd also like to buy stock in those companies. It doesn't look good for the US because changing a corporation is hard and doesn't look good for profits for the next quarter. 

I remember some talk about collapsing buildings. That's the lack of caring about people that keeps China from running the world. It saved dishonest people money as long as they passed the buck. They're death penalty covers economic crimes, too.



Re: China is Coming: Observations from an Expert | In Depth

Ken Nelson
 

Dave, your experience backs up a lot of the things I've seen at a distance - very poorly made stuff coming over at first, then slowly getting better.  When I was an instructor at the Techshop in the SF bay  area starting around 2006 or thereabouts, this DIY startup for gearheads or anyone who wanted cheap access to industrial eqpt like lathes, mills, welders, anyone could join for about $100/mo, take short courses of maybe 3 hrs to learn the eqpt basics, then have access to the stuff 24/7.  This was about the time Harbor Freight tools started up, only everyone at this shop called it Hazard Fraught - which was partially true!   I actually had one of their variable speed right angle elec drills catch fire in my hands!  Took it apart & found the assembler - probably a 10 yr old kid - routed the hot wire NOT past the spacer pin molded inside the case, but on the opposite side, and in contact with the commutator!  As soon as the drill wore thru the insulation it turned into a spark/flamne generator!  So- I fixed the wire, reassembled and it's been working ever since.  

I've also seen what I think of as inexcusable manufacturing errors - in products sold thru Home Despot!  But that was 20 yrs ago.  I'd certainly want a US rep covering anything I had over there if I did - only way to really know what's going on but even then all sorts of stuff could be going on behind the scenes.   Recently I saw some stories about Chinese buildings collapsing due to  shoddy construction and awful materials - did you hear anything like that from the expats?  However, after listening to Sandy I'll bet the Chinese have lifted the bar a whole lot in the intervening yrs - after all, they're sending all sorts of things into space and beyond.  Plus they've got a billion more minds working on things than we do - scary thought as to what they might be able to come up with.  Our only hope may be that guys like Elon keep moving so much faster than "traditional" competitive mfrs here that he'll outrun the Chinese car co's

Ken

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:43 PM Dave Smith <gornzilla@...> wrote:
Thanks for writing that, Ken! I love learning about things like this. I'm not an engineer and don't have that type of experience, but I love listening to engineers and designers talk about issues like this. I'll be watching the "Elon & Sandy: Design Philosophy Parallels" tonight and possibly some more of the Tesla tear downs. I watched the short ones from the first Model 3, a few of the Model Y (and the wrap up fo the Y), and several of the 2021 Model 3.  

When I was working in China I met a few expats working for the local race circuit (Zhuhai). It was built for Formula One, but failed to meet FIA standards. It seems like every factory building for export (not just cars) had to have foreign supervision. An acquaintance was there supervising the building of an oil refinery for a massive American oil company. It was a lot of work to train and try to convince why minimal standards had to be met, and it was a battle to maintain. They were shocked at how low Chinese management was trying to go. 

It was a topic at the expat bars with foreigners from around the world who were in supervisory factory roles if the difficulty of meeting minimal standards is an effect from the Cultural Revolution. Maybe that's what is keeping China from taking over the world, but if they solve that it'll be massive. 

-Dave


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, I worked for Dupont Automotive Polymers Dept in Detroit & taught the auto guys how to use our high strength nylon and other engineering plastics to make engine/transmission/mechanical parts to lightweight the cars for 30 yrs and saw a lot of what Sandy describes as the internal machinations of the co's.  Sandy started as an engineer and morphed into a design/development/manufacturing guru to start his own consulting co, and he used to race as a hobby - and now he's a well-known mentor to lots of co's.
>
> I met him last yr thru a mutual friend, John McElroy who has his own podcast program called Autoline Detroit.  John is basically a research reporter from inside the industry who created his own career when he was told by the guy behind J.D. Power, who has become the guru of data analysis for the industry, to go see the Japanese back in the early '80s when they started pumping Toyotas & Hondas over here and blew the doors off Detroit.  McElroy went there on his own volition, was actually greeted well by them, and learned how they were eatlng our lunch.  
> John came back & told Detroit what was going on, and they basically blew him off, along with Japan - but not any more.  
>
> Since then, John and Sandy have become very well known for telling the industry what's really happening around the world, and when I met John in 1999, it was when Citroen came to Detroit to push the DS for the Car of the Century contest.  Richard Lucki, then Director of PSA's office in Detroit which fed industry info to France, put together a show for the Detroit auto press in the then brand new Automotive Hall of Fame built on the grounds of the HF museum in Dearborn, right next to Ford Engine Engineering where I did a lot of my work on Dupont glass reinforced nylon intake manifolds with them.
>
> Citroen mgmnt sent their PR lady, Gro Hoeg, over with several engrs and designers, to present a video history of Citroen in the Hall, and Richard asked me to pull together local owners cars to exhibit in the hall.  John attended as one of the local news reps, and it was there that I learned John was a closet Citroen fan - who fell for a gorgeous dark blue ID19 I had been maintaining for a local guy.  He found the car was for sale  and bought it on the spot,, and I've continued to help him with it when small issues have popped up.  John has even been chided for falling for French stuff by Bob Lutz when John had his car at an internal GM car club event, but just in fun, as Bob owned a Traction 15-6 for yrs in his 12 car collection  that I helped him with way back.  
>
> So long story short, Sandy is way ahead of the Detroit car industry in some ways, plus John and he know all the insiders and have to be careful about what the talk about - but Sandy has torn down every Tesla model built and sent out design/production reports to clients who want to know what's happening and where - as far as he can  tell them.  John knew about a car proposal thesis I did for my master's deg back in '75 - to make a small electric car chassis in 3 huge injection-foam molded engineering plastic modules which would plug together like Lego blocks. John knew that Sandy had just analyzed Tesla's latest design of three huge experimental aluminum diecast modules to leapfrog current multiple-piece stamped, welded steel construction - which would eliminate thousands of stampings - potentially significantly reducing mfrng cost.  So John & I took my model to Sandy & next thing I knew he brought his whole crew into the conf. room to see it and do a comparison to Tesla's approach..  
>
> Main thing I told them was that my proposal would have failed in many ways at that time, but the concept could work for a stronger material, and who knows what currently unknown materials might be developed.  So for anyone interested in seeing what might displace our fun classsics in the future may want to tune into these two guys - and many thanks to the Ctiroen/Mercedes/Volvo owner who sent me this video - you know who you are - you're paying more attention to this stuff than I am!  
>
> Ken


Re: China is Coming: Observations from an Expert | In Depth

Dave Smith
 

Thanks for writing that, Ken! I love learning about things like this. I'm not an engineer and don't have that type of experience, but I love listening to engineers and designers talk about issues like this. I'll be watching the "Elon & Sandy: Design Philosophy Parallels" tonight and possibly some more of the Tesla tear downs. I watched the short ones from the first Model 3, a few of the Model Y (and the wrap up fo the Y), and several of the 2021 Model 3.  

When I was working in China I met a few expats working for the local race circuit (Zhuhai). It was built for Formula One, but failed to meet FIA standards. It seems like every factory building for export (not just cars) had to have foreign supervision. An acquaintance was there supervising the building of an oil refinery for a massive American oil company. It was a lot of work to train and try to convince why minimal standards had to be met, and it was a battle to maintain. They were shocked at how low Chinese management was trying to go. 

It was a topic at the expat bars with foreigners from around the world who were in supervisory factory roles if the difficulty of meeting minimal standards is an effect from the Cultural Revolution. Maybe that's what is keeping China from taking over the world, but if they solve that it'll be massive. 

-Dave


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, I worked for Dupont Automotive Polymers Dept in Detroit & taught the auto guys how to use our high strength nylon and other engineering plastics to make engine/transmission/mechanical parts to lightweight the cars for 30 yrs and saw a lot of what Sandy describes as the internal machinations of the co's.  Sandy started as an engineer and morphed into a design/development/manufacturing guru to start his own consulting co, and he used to race as a hobby - and now he's a well-known mentor to lots of co's.
>
> I met him last yr thru a mutual friend, John McElroy who has his own podcast program called Autoline Detroit.  John is basically a research reporter from inside the industry who created his own career when he was told by the guy behind J.D. Power, who has become the guru of data analysis for the industry, to go see the Japanese back in the early '80s when they started pumping Toyotas & Hondas over here and blew the doors off Detroit.  McElroy went there on his own volition, was actually greeted well by them, and learned how they were eatlng our lunch.  
> John came back & told Detroit what was going on, and they basically blew him off, along with Japan - but not any more.  
>
> Since then, John and Sandy have become very well known for telling the industry what's really happening around the world, and when I met John in 1999, it was when Citroen came to Detroit to push the DS for the Car of the Century contest.  Richard Lucki, then Director of PSA's office in Detroit which fed industry info to France, put together a show for the Detroit auto press in the then brand new Automotive Hall of Fame built on the grounds of the HF museum in Dearborn, right next to Ford Engine Engineering where I did a lot of my work on Dupont glass reinforced nylon intake manifolds with them.
>
> Citroen mgmnt sent their PR lady, Gro Hoeg, over with several engrs and designers, to present a video history of Citroen in the Hall, and Richard asked me to pull together local owners cars to exhibit in the hall.  John attended as one of the local news reps, and it was there that I learned John was a closet Citroen fan - who fell for a gorgeous dark blue ID19 I had been maintaining for a local guy.  He found the car was for sale  and bought it on the spot,, and I've continued to help him with it when small issues have popped up.  John has even been chided for falling for French stuff by Bob Lutz when John had his car at an internal GM car club event, but just in fun, as Bob owned a Traction 15-6 for yrs in his 12 car collection  that I helped him with way back.  
>
> So long story short, Sandy is way ahead of the Detroit car industry in some ways, plus John and he know all the insiders and have to be careful about what the talk about - but Sandy has torn down every Tesla model built and sent out design/production reports to clients who want to know what's happening and where - as far as he can  tell them.  John knew about a car proposal thesis I did for my master's deg back in '75 - to make a small electric car chassis in 3 huge injection-foam molded engineering plastic modules which would plug together like Lego blocks. John knew that Sandy had just analyzed Tesla's latest design of three huge experimental aluminum diecast modules to leapfrog current multiple-piece stamped, welded steel construction - which would eliminate thousands of stampings - potentially significantly reducing mfrng cost.  So John & I took my model to Sandy & next thing I knew he brought his whole crew into the conf. room to see it and do a comparison to Tesla's approach..  
>
> Main thing I told them was that my proposal would have failed in many ways at that time, but the concept could work for a stronger material, and who knows what currently unknown materials might be developed.  So for anyone interested in seeing what might displace our fun classsics in the future may want to tune into these two guys - and many thanks to the Ctiroen/Mercedes/Volvo owner who sent me this video - you know who you are - you're paying more attention to this stuff than I am!  
>
> Ken


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

adrian cockcroft
 


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 8:48 AM Red Fred <redfred47@...> wrote:
Thanks for sharing all the photos!   I'm wondering what the little red Coupe is toward the beginning of Adrians' array?  It looks like a Fiat Dino Spyder, but with a roof!

Thanks, RF.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 6:27 AM Scott Davis <evlist@...> wrote:
We also attended, being local helped. Three
Renault 5 turbo's, lots of gorgeous alfas,
Bugatti, yet the Chaprone was my favorite.

The Lamborghini engine on a stand was fun to
watch, chatted with the gent for a few as random
people asked silly questions- like if it made margaritas.

Leno is a class act, my 8 year old was made to feel quite special.

Scott

At 11:06 PM 11/9/2021, you wrote:
>That's a great show.  Cindy and I got there
>about 4-5 yrs ago - hauled my Panhard cabrio
>down on my dolly.  Leno came by, asked me if I
>was going to restore it.  I considered it
>restored already as it ran fine and didn't look
>half bad, but then I don't have his
>pockets.  Anyway, I was so surprised I couldn't
>remember where I'd put my camera and didn't
>have a smartphone then so missed getting a
>pic!  He's a very down to earth guy for the
>most part.  Our definitions of "restored" just differ a whole lot!Â
>
>Ken
>
>On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:41 AM adrian cockcroft
><<mailto:adrian.cockcroft@...>adrian.cockcroft@...> wrote:
>Leno was there, I got a couple of pictures of
>him, and a friend got him to pose with his 3yr old for a picture.
>
>There was also a Citroen AX, that they claimed
>was one of a kind in the USA. I used to have an
>AX as a second car to my BX when I lived in the
>UK in the 80's. It's a fairly boring looking
>car, but had a lot of interesting technology to
>make it very light weight and simple to build,
>reduced component count compared to similar cars at the time. It drove well.
>
>Adrian
>
>On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:31 PM Ken Nelson
><<mailto:citbuff@...>citbuff@...> wrote:
>Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that
>show.  Leno often shows up I've been
>told.  Get the R16 down there next year and
>maybe he'll show up.  Did you have a chance to
>see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in
>Burbank?  It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends
>in the Citroen club.  You should see their
>incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!
>
>Ken
>
>On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle
><<mailto:tatorsaurus@...>tatorsaurus@...> wrote:
>
>Hi all,Â
>Here is an album I created of some of the photos
>i took at the Best of France and Italy car show
>in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian
>cars, many of which I have never seen before. My
>favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the
>Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.
>
>Here is the link to album:Â
><https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A>https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
>-Rowan
>
>







Re: China is Coming: Observations from an Expert | In Depth

Ken Nelson
 

Hi Dave, I worked for Dupont Automotive Polymers Dept in Detroit & taught the auto guys how to use our high strength nylon and other engineering plastics to make engine/transmission/mechanical parts to lightweight the cars for 30 yrs and saw a lot of what Sandy describes as the internal machinations of the co's.  Sandy started as an engineer and morphed into a design/development/manufacturing guru to start his own consulting co, and he used to race as a hobby - and now he's a well-known mentor to lots of co's.

I met him last yr thru a mutual friend, John McElroy who has his own podcast program called Autoline Detroit.  John is basically a research reporter from inside the industry who created his own career when he was told by the guy behind J.D. Power, who has become the guru of data analysis for the industry, to go see the Japanese back in the early '80s when they started pumping Toyotas & Hondas over here and blew the doors off Detroit.  McElroy went there on his own volition, was actually greeted well by them, and learned how they were eatlng our lunch.  
John came back & told Detroit what was going on, and they basically blew him off, along with Japan - but not any more.  

Since then, John and Sandy have become very well known for telling the industry what's really happening around the world, and when I met John in 1999, it was when Citroen came to Detroit to push the DS for the Car of the Century contest.  Richard Lucki, then Director of PSA's office in Detroit which fed industry info to France, put together a show for the Detroit auto press in the then brand new Automotive Hall of Fame built on the grounds of the HF museum in Dearborn, right next to Ford Engine Engineering where I did a lot of my work on Dupont glass reinforced nylon intake manifolds with them.

Citroen mgmnt sent their PR lady, Gro Hoeg, over with several engrs and designers, to present a video history of Citroen in the Hall, and Richard asked me to pull together local owners cars to exhibit in the hall.  John attended as one of the local news reps, and it was there that I learned John was a closet Citroen fan - who fell for a gorgeous dark blue ID19 I had been maintaining for a local guy.  He found the car was for sale  and bought it on the spot,, and I've continued to help him with it when small issues have popped up.  John has even been chided for falling for French stuff by Bob Lutz when John had his car at an internal GM car club event, but just in fun, as Bob owned a Traction 15-6 for yrs in his 12 car collection  that I helped him with way back.  

So long story short, Sandy is way ahead of the Detroit car industry in some ways, plus John and he know all the insiders and have to be careful about what the talk about - but Sandy has torn down every Tesla model built and sent out design/production reports to clients who want to know what's happening and where - as far as he can  tell them.  John knew about a car proposal thesis I did for my master's deg back in '75 - to make a small electric car chassis in 3 huge injection-foam molded engineering plastic modules which would plug together like Lego blocks. John knew that Sandy had just analyzed Tesla's latest design of three huge experimental aluminum diecast modules to leapfrog current multiple-piece stamped, welded steel construction - which would eliminate thousands of stampings - potentially significantly reducing mfrng cost.  So John & I took my model to Sandy & next thing I knew he brought his whole crew into the conf. room to see it and do a comparison to Tesla's approach..  

Main thing I told them was that my proposal would have failed in many ways at that time, but the concept could work for a stronger material, and who knows what currently unknown materials might be developed.  So for anyone interested in seeing what might displace our fun classsics in the future may want to tune into these two guys - and many thanks to the Ctiroen/Mercedes/Volvo owner who sent me this video - you know who you are - you're paying more attention to this stuff than I am!  

Ken

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 11:43 AM Dave Smith <gornzilla@...> wrote:
Thanks for sharing that. I watched it and then later watched a few from Sandy Munro's channel. I liked his taking apart (literally) of a few Tesla's and his interview with Elon Musk. I didn't mean to stay up until 1:30 last night watching YouTube, but I'll watch some more when I have time. He's very interesting.

Dave in Sacramento


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

Norman S. Weinfeld
 

What superb photos, Adrian. I always love photos with the old cars on the way to and from. Some simply glorious shots among yours. But what on earth is that giant red thing? Simply an amazing car, whatever it is...

Norm Weinfeld
San Francisco
'55 XK140 DHC
'56 Imperial Southampton Coupe


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

Red Fred
 

Thanks for sharing all the photos!   I'm wondering what the little red Coupe is toward the beginning of Adrians' array?  It looks like a Fiat Dino Spyder, but with a roof!

Thanks, RF.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 6:27 AM Scott Davis <evlist@...> wrote:
We also attended, being local helped. Three
Renault 5 turbo's, lots of gorgeous alfas,
Bugatti, yet the Chaprone was my favorite.

The Lamborghini engine on a stand was fun to
watch, chatted with the gent for a few as random
people asked silly questions- like if it made margaritas.

Leno is a class act, my 8 year old was made to feel quite special.

Scott

At 11:06 PM 11/9/2021, you wrote:
>That's a great show.  Cindy and I got there
>about 4-5 yrs ago - hauled my Panhard cabrio
>down on my dolly.  Leno came by, asked me if I
>was going to restore it.  I considered it
>restored already as it ran fine and didn't look
>half bad, but then I don't have his
>pockets.  Anyway, I was so surprised I couldn't
>remember where I'd put my camera and didn't
>have a smartphone then so missed getting a
>pic!  He's a very down to earth guy for the
>most part.  Our definitions of "restored" just differ a whole lot!Â
>
>Ken
>
>On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:41 AM adrian cockcroft
><<mailto:adrian.cockcroft@...>adrian.cockcroft@...> wrote:
>Leno was there, I got a couple of pictures of
>him, and a friend got him to pose with his 3yr old for a picture.
>
>There was also a Citroen AX, that they claimed
>was one of a kind in the USA. I used to have an
>AX as a second car to my BX when I lived in the
>UK in the 80's. It's a fairly boring looking
>car, but had a lot of interesting technology to
>make it very light weight and simple to build,
>reduced component count compared to similar cars at the time. It drove well.
>
>Adrian
>
>On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:31 PM Ken Nelson
><<mailto:citbuff@...>citbuff@...> wrote:
>Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that
>show.  Leno often shows up I've been
>told.  Get the R16 down there next year and
>maybe he'll show up.  Did you have a chance to
>see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in
>Burbank?  It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends
>in the Citroen club.  You should see their
>incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!
>
>Ken
>
>On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle
><<mailto:tatorsaurus@...>tatorsaurus@...> wrote:
>
>Hi all,Â
>Here is an album I created of some of the photos
>i took at the Best of France and Italy car show
>in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian
>cars, many of which I have never seen before. My
>favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the
>Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.
>
>Here is the link to album:Â
><https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A>https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
>-Rowan
>
>







Re: China is Coming: Observations from an Expert | In Depth

Dave Smith
 

Thanks for sharing that. I watched it and then later watched a few from Sandy Munro's channel. I liked his taking apart (literally) of a few Tesla's and his interview with Elon Musk. I didn't mean to stay up until 1:30 last night watching YouTube, but I'll watch some more when I have time. He's very interesting.

Dave in Sacramento


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

Scott Davis
 

We also attended, being local helped. Three Renault 5 turbo's, lots of gorgeous alfas, Bugatti, yet the Chaprone was my favorite.

The Lamborghini engine on a stand was fun to watch, chatted with the gent for a few as random people asked silly questions- like if it made margaritas.

Leno is a class act, my 8 year old was made to feel quite special.

Scott

At 11:06 PM 11/9/2021, you wrote:
That's a great show. Cindy and I got there about 4-5 yrs ago - hauled my Panhard cabrio down on my dolly. Leno came by, asked me if I was going to restore it. I considered it restored already as it ran fine and didn't look half bad, but then I don't have his pockets. Anyway, I was so surprised I couldn't remember where I'd put my camera and didn't have a smartphone then so missed getting a pic! He's a very down to earth guy for the most part. Our definitions of "restored" just differ a whole lot!Â

Ken

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:41 AM adrian cockcroft <<mailto:adrian.cockcroft@...>adrian.cockcroft@...> wrote:
Leno was there, I got a couple of pictures of him, and a friend got him to pose with his 3yr old for a picture.

There was also a Citroen AX, that they claimed was one of a kind in the USA. I used to have an AX as a second car to my BX when I lived in the UK in the 80's. It's a fairly boring looking car, but had a lot of interesting technology to make it very light weight and simple to build, reduced component count compared to similar cars at the time. It drove well.

Adrian

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:31 PM Ken Nelson <<mailto:citbuff@...>citbuff@...> wrote:
Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that show. Leno often shows up I've been told. Get the R16 down there next year and maybe he'll show up. Did you have a chance to see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in Burbank? It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends in the Citroen club. You should see their incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!

Ken

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle <<mailto:tatorsaurus@...>tatorsaurus@...> wrote:

Hi all,Â
Here is an album I created of some of the photos i took at the Best of France and Italy car show in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian cars, many of which I have never seen before. My favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.

Here is the link to album:Â <https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A>https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
-Rowan


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

James Tworow
 

Nice photos!  Looks like a great show, certainly cars I'll never see here in hinterland...

James


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:06 AM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:
That's a great show.  Cindy and I got there about 4-5 yrs ago - hauled my Panhard cabrio down on my dolly.  Leno came by, asked me if I was going to restore it.  I considered it restored already as it ran fine and didn't look half bad, but then I don't have his pockets.  Anyway, I was so surprised I couldn't remember where I'd put my camera and didn't have a smartphone then so missed getting a pic!  He's a very down to earth guy for the most part.  Our definitions of "restored" just differ a whole lot! 

Ken

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:41 AM adrian cockcroft <adrian.cockcroft@...> wrote:
Leno was there, I got a couple of pictures of him, and a friend got him to pose with his 3yr old for a picture.

There was also a Citroen AX, that they claimed was one of a kind in the USA. I used to have an AX as a second car to my BX when I lived in the UK in the 80's. It's a fairly boring looking car, but had a lot of interesting technology to make it very light weight and simple to build, reduced component count compared to similar cars at the time. It drove well.

Adrian

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:31 PM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:
Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that show.  Leno often shows up I've been told.  Get the R16 down there next year and maybe he'll show up.  Did you have a chance to see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in Burbank?  It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends in the Citroen club.  You should see their incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!

Ken

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle <tatorsaurus@...> wrote:

Hi all, 
Here is an album I created of some of the photos i took at the Best of France and Italy car show in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian cars, many of which I have never seen before. My favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.

Here is the link to album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
-Rowan


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

Ken Nelson
 

That's a great show.  Cindy and I got there about 4-5 yrs ago - hauled my Panhard cabrio down on my dolly.  Leno came by, asked me if I was going to restore it.  I considered it restored already as it ran fine and didn't look half bad, but then I don't have his pockets.  Anyway, I was so surprised I couldn't remember where I'd put my camera and didn't have a smartphone then so missed getting a pic!  He's a very down to earth guy for the most part.  Our definitions of "restored" just differ a whole lot! 

Ken

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:41 AM adrian cockcroft <adrian.cockcroft@...> wrote:
Leno was there, I got a couple of pictures of him, and a friend got him to pose with his 3yr old for a picture.

There was also a Citroen AX, that they claimed was one of a kind in the USA. I used to have an AX as a second car to my BX when I lived in the UK in the 80's. It's a fairly boring looking car, but had a lot of interesting technology to make it very light weight and simple to build, reduced component count compared to similar cars at the time. It drove well.

Adrian

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:31 PM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:
Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that show.  Leno often shows up I've been told.  Get the R16 down there next year and maybe he'll show up.  Did you have a chance to see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in Burbank?  It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends in the Citroen club.  You should see their incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!

Ken

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle <tatorsaurus@...> wrote:

Hi all, 
Here is an album I created of some of the photos i took at the Best of France and Italy car show in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian cars, many of which I have never seen before. My favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.

Here is the link to album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
-Rowan


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

adrian cockcroft
 

Leno was there, I got a couple of pictures of him, and a friend got him to pose with his 3yr old for a picture.

There was also a Citroen AX, that they claimed was one of a kind in the USA. I used to have an AX as a second car to my BX when I lived in the UK in the 80's. It's a fairly boring looking car, but had a lot of interesting technology to make it very light weight and simple to build, reduced component count compared to similar cars at the time. It drove well.

Adrian

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 10:31 PM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:
Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that show.  Leno often shows up I've been told.  Get the R16 down there next year and maybe he'll show up.  Did you have a chance to see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in Burbank?  It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends in the Citroen club.  You should see their incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!

Ken

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle <tatorsaurus@...> wrote:

Hi all, 
Here is an album I created of some of the photos i took at the Best of France and Italy car show in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian cars, many of which I have never seen before. My favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.

Here is the link to album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
-Rowan


Re: Best of France and Italy car show 2021

Ken Nelson
 

Nice shots Rowan - glad you got to attend that show.  Leno often shows up I've been told.  Get the R16 down there next year and maybe he'll show up.  Did you have a chance to see the Autobooks/Aerobooks store in Burbank?  It's run by Tina and Chuck - friends in the Citroen club.  You should see their incredible store and meet them when you get back there next year!

Ken

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 1:24 PM RTuttle <tatorsaurus@...> wrote:

Hi all, 
Here is an album I created of some of the photos i took at the Best of France and Italy car show in Van Nuys. Some amazing French and Italian cars, many of which I have never seen before. My favorites are probably the Citroën Pony and the Peugeot 205 T16. Hopefully next year I can attend in my R16.

Here is the link to album: https://photos.app.goo.gl/i4ftg3UTMDuLBHw6A
-Rowan

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