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Re: Traction Avant

Brian Kanamu
 

I see Ken has responded.  Well done!

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Kanamu via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:15 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] Traction Avant

 

Tractions are great fun and amazing in an autocross.  One thing they’re famous for is shift linkage problems.  The shifter comes out of the dash and is really hinky.  Shift very delicately, don’t rush and you won’t get it completely jammed between second and third as often.

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Berkeley
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:59 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: [ArcaneAutos] Traction Avant

 

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/

 

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Re: Traction Avant

Brian Kanamu
 

Tractions are great fun and amazing in an autocross.  One thing they’re famous for is shift linkage problems.  The shifter comes out of the dash and is really hinky.  Shift very delicately, don’t rush and you won’t get it completely jammed between second and third as often.

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Berkeley
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:59 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: [ArcaneAutos] Traction Avant

 

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/


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Re: Traction Avant

Ken Nelson
 

Hello Berkeley - If you need any help evaluating this Traction, I've had 8 different ones in the last 45 yrs & know them pretty thoroughly, from rebuilding the transmissions to engine/brake/driveshaft rebuilding & converting them to 12 volt electrics with modern Delco alternators.  Two things to check carefully on these cars:
First gear has no synchro and it's not very robust.  About 4 yrs ago the Traction owners around the Bay area had 3 gearboxes break - mostly 1st gear if I recall correctly.  Never shift into first unless dead stopped, and always use the dash shifter to just "touch" . 2nd gear without fully engaging it, then go to 1st.  Doing this slows the transmission shafts and avoids crunching first gear, which is what often loses a tooth if engaged agressively.   Next, install two fuses in the elec harness, as they have NO fuses, and ALL the battery and generator current goes thru the ammeter on the dash.  One bad electrical short and the harness goes up in smoke, as it's tightly bundled and that concentrates the heat and destroys the whole bundle if not caught quickly.  Put one fuse between the battery feed to the voltage regulator, and a second between the v reg. and the ammeter.  The most important one is between the V reg and the ammerter, as a short downriver of the ammeter can fry the whole harness under the dash, which is hardest to replace/repair due to limited access.  

Another area to examine carefully - the inboard Ujoints - check them for play - a friend in Detroit had one so sloppy that the inner cross fell out of its yoke on the transmission output shaft, jammed, and broke that gearbox.  Also check the outer double Ujoints for slop.  And make darn sure the front suicide doors are always completely latched before moving forward.  Las Aug coming back from the Pacific Grove Little car show, the passenger door of my '61 Panhard cabrio flew open at 55 mph on Hwy 1, and the door nearly tore off the car.  Did $16K damage to my car, fortunately covered by Hagerty.  Same thing can happen to any suicide door car, especially with passengers who may not be that aware of this possibility, and sometimes the second safety latch doesn't work, as in my case.  

I've had enough of these cars to come across some strange problems, but ultimately solved them all.  The Tractions are great cars - you might also want to talk with Clark Rodgers, who's in the Arcaners I think - just haven't seen him in awhile - his car has to be one of the best cared for and fastest Tractions on the W coast.  

Ken Nelson
248-515-9879
Palo Alto
So. Lyon, Mi.  



On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM Berkeley <berkeley@...> wrote:
Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/


Traction Avant

Berkeley
 

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/


Re: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.

Fred Cisin
 

A story that has gone around many times:

Price is $10,000
Buyer says, here's a cashier's check for $12,000; you can write me a check for $2,000. Maybe there's a little extra for the inconvenience.
Seller's bank says "looks good".
Account is up $12,000, and the car is gone.
$2,000 check clears same day (that was FAST!)
Account is still up $10,000
Almost two weeks later, seller's bank says, "The issuing bank of that cashier's check says it is bogus"; we've taken the $12,000 out of your account. You are overdrawn, and there is an overdraft penalty.
Seller says, "But you said it was good!"
Bank says, "Out of our hands."
Account is down $2,000, car is gone, and bank wants hundreds in overdraft and recovery fees.

REALITY CHECK: Do you think that seller has any recourse?
Bank says, "not OUR problem, the cashier's check was bogus. It is YOUR problem to find the buyer."


At least see the buyer's driver's license.
If you take cash, change it right away, and find out if it is good.


Re: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.

Lou
 

   
   
   
Hi Larry,           
    Every time I've had or heard of a deal like this,       
IT'S A SCAM!     
The "out of state {most likely country} buyer"    
sends you a check for too much as they don't know    
the exact cost of the tow.   You give them a refund   
check before you discover their check bounced.       
Variables:  The tow truck driver does or doesn't   
show to get the vehicle.  The phone number appears    
to be a continental US number but is in an island near   
Florida which uses US numbers but not in the US.   
    Most of the time, they don't even bother to get the   
car.   Even tho banks can instantaneously email the other   
bank, they wait 14 days to give the crooks a chance   
and charge you a rubber check fee.            
    If you have the rare occasion that's it legit,   have    
a friend (or trusted fellow in FIAT club) who lives    
in the city where it's going make sure there is a real   
person who knows of the sale.       .        
    If you report it to the police, they won't do squat cuz   
it's outside their jurisdiction.      
            Good luck,            Lou               
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
       
   
   

On 7/17/2020 5:14 PM, Larry Sacks wrote:
A Fiat America member posted this message.

I'm hoping someone here has some experience with this and can offer some advice.  

Feel free to respond to me if you prefer.

Thanks,

Larry

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan Yee fiatdan@... [fiatamerica] <fiatamerica@...>
Date: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM
Subject: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.
To: fiatamerica@... <fiatamerica@...>
Cc: Dan Yee <fiatdan@...>


 

Hi All,
My son-in-law is selling his Porsche Cayman to a out-of-state buyer who is willing to wire money and arrange transportation without personally seeing the car or have it inspected. 

My son-in-law will sell his car with a statement that the car is sold "As Is" and will file a Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability form with DMV.  Any advice on anything else he needs or should do is appreciated.  I've never bought or sold a car out-of-state so I don't have any experience this type of transaction yet.  

There are still plenty of FIATs here in California to tempt me to buy another car.  Just don't mention that to Jane!
Dan Y
.

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Re: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.

---J W
 

I have bought and sold many vehicles before but I am afraid of what he is doing! There are many scams going on and “sight unseen, wire money is just one! Be sure the cash is in your hand and you are out of the bank before releasing your vehicle! Your car sounds pretty expensive and the buyer should want to get it checked out by known mechanic before releasing his cash! And you should have cash (green) I hand before giving up your car! It is cheap to fly out to see the car and bring cash and turn it down if he does not like it! Even offer to pay his return flight if he is unhappy with the deal. . .but get the actual cash(green) before releasing your car!!! Best advice I can offer—Beware! 


On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Larry Sacks <LMSacks@...> wrote:

A Fiat America member posted this message.

I'm hoping someone here has some experience with this and can offer some advice.  

Feel free to respond to me if you prefer.

Thanks,

Larry

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan Yee fiatdan@... [fiatamerica] <fiatamerica@...>
Date: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM
Subject: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.
To: fiatamerica@... <fiatamerica@...>
Cc: Dan Yee <fiatdan@...>


 

Hi All,
My son-in-law is selling his Porsche Cayman to a out-of-state buyer who is willing to wire money and arrange transportation without personally seeing the car or have it inspected. 

My son-in-law will sell his car with a statement that the car is sold "As Is" and will file a Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability form with DMV.  Any advice on anything else he needs or should do is appreciated.  I've never bought or sold a car out-of-state so I don't have any experience this type of transaction yet.  

There are still plenty of FIATs here in California to tempt me to buy another car.  Just don't mention that to Jane!
Dan Y
.

__,_._,___


Re: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.

Fred Cisin
 

Keep spare copies of all paperwork that you send.

Make sure that the buyer understands "as-is"
Buyer of my van didn't mind that it wouldn't pass smog.
BUT, after delivery, he complained about the dog hair (in carpets, because I had put seat covers on all seats the week that I had bought it new, and pointed out in the pictures that I had sent)


Do not fall for a Western Union or cashier check scam of excess money wired, and you send back some money.

Set specific times for it to be picked up - you are not a free storage facility.

If it is leaving the state, keep your license plates. Buyer needs to purchase new ones for his state, anyway, and even with the DMV notice of transfer, if they drive it around on your plates, it is a hassle to fight the parking tickets (or APBs)
Get a promise from the buyer that he will transfer/register within x amount of time.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Larry Sacks wrote:

A Fiat America member posted this message.

I'm hoping someone here has some experience with this and can offer some
advice.

Feel free to respond to me if you prefer.

Thanks,

Larry

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan Yee fiatdan@comcast.net [fiatamerica] <fiatamerica@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM
Subject: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.
To: fiatamerica@yahoogroups.com <fiatamerica@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Dan Yee <fiatdan@comcast.net>




Hi All,
My son-in-law is selling his Porsche Cayman to a out-of-state buyer who is
willing to wire money and arrange transportation without personally seeing
the car or have it inspected.

My son-in-law will sell his car with a statement that the car is sold "As
Is" and will file a Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability form with
DMV. Any advice on anything else he needs or should do is appreciated.
I've never bought or sold a car out-of-state so I don't have any experience
this type of transaction yet.

There are still plenty of FIATs here in California to tempt me to buy
another car. Just don't mention that to Jane!
Dan Y
.

__,_._,___


Wrap in SF?

Byron Brill
 

One of my sons has friends looking for a company in the Bay Area that can do full body auto wraps.  Anyone have any recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Byron


[fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.

Larry Sacks
 

A Fiat America member posted this message.

I'm hoping someone here has some experience with this and can offer some advice.  

Feel free to respond to me if you prefer.

Thanks,

Larry

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan Yee fiatdan@... [fiatamerica] <fiatamerica@...>
Date: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:06 PM
Subject: [fiatamerica] Advice on selling a car out-of-state sight unseen.
To: fiatamerica@... <fiatamerica@...>
Cc: Dan Yee <fiatdan@...>


 

Hi All,
My son-in-law is selling his Porsche Cayman to a out-of-state buyer who is willing to wire money and arrange transportation without personally seeing the car or have it inspected. 

My son-in-law will sell his car with a statement that the car is sold "As Is" and will file a Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability form with DMV.  Any advice on anything else he needs or should do is appreciated.  I've never bought or sold a car out-of-state so I don't have any experience this type of transaction yet.  

There are still plenty of FIATs here in California to tempt me to buy another car.  Just don't mention that to Jane!
Dan Y
.

__,_._,___


Re: Renault Alliance convertible

Matthew Spielberg
 

Convertible
Automatic
Arcane

(Not easy to smog)

Sent from my IBM Selectric

On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Scott Davis <evlist@davisengineering.net> wrote:

Unique paint. Guaranteed to be the only one like it in the parking lot.

It's close, if anyone is interested...
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/tarzana-1985-renault-alliance-convertble/7158953420.html




Renault Alliance convertible

Scott Davis
 

Unique paint. Guaranteed to be the only one like it in the parking lot.

It's close, if anyone is interested...
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/tarzana-1985-renault-alliance-convertble/7158953420.html


Anyone In, near, or passing through Sonoma who can do a pick up?

David Russel
 

Accidentally sent the message below to the old Yahoo list instead of the new groups.io list, so making up for the mistake now.  Did get one helpful response from David Hartz in Sebastapol who is willing to step in if all else fails.  Ideally will find someone who can pick it up and bring it south, closer to me in Mountain View.  I'm happy to drive to pick it up but not the 4 hour round trip that Sonoma would be.  Fingers crossed:

Hi, northbay folks,

There is a motorcycle luggage box in Sonoma that I'm interested in but the seller wants it picked up and doesn't seem interested in shipping it, although I'm asking him to reconsider shipping.

If/When he declines the shipping method, the remaining hope is to find someone nearby or who will be driving thru Sonoma and is willing to pick it up for me and hold on to it until a hand-off is arranged either during an Arcane event or when I have a trip to the north or East bay and can swing by to pick it up, or maybe we arrange for the picker upper to ship it to me.

Below is a link to his listing and it is the unit in photo #1 that is of interest. the other box offered is not of interest.  It isn't ginormous but it is a little awkward for packing.


Thanks,
David


The Ultimate Restomod...........

Ken Nelson
 


Fw: [GGEVA] Postal service vans catch fire. Should be replaced by Electric.

Lawrence Rhodes
 

Did anyone wind up with any of the auctioned off electric postal vans? Around the year 2000. See .jpg below if it comes through. Lawrence Rhodes

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From: Ray Levinson <
To: "ggeva@groups.io" <ggeva@groups.io>
Cc: "ev@..." <ev@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 12:53:13 PM PDT
Subject: Re: [GGEVA] Postal service vans catch fire. Should be replaced by Electric.

Yeah, that was my project for the USPS, and we actually had 500 EV LLVs in California based on the Ford Ranger chassis, and, unfortunately, lead acid batteries,  As the average city postal route is 15 miles, lead acid would have worked fine.  As there was so much push back from HQ, they used the bid requirement that the Long Life Vehicles had to last 12 years, so they could not store lead acid batteries that long. We had 20 EVs at 25 post offices in California that had the right requirements for electrical power, altitude, etc.   Alameda was perfect as the local utility helped out and provided equipment for the AVCON chargers.  As I recall, Tom Dowling helped collected the chargers after eht experiment stopped and was able to distribute them throughout California (but I think mostly northern CA).

Fortunately for me, I was able to shake out a 2000 Ford Ranger EV for myself under a commercial lease, with a $250 monthly incentive making it $200/ month until they took them all back, except for a few here and there. There is still a Yahoo support group for the few Ranger EVs that are still left.  Some had replaced the batteries with lithium Ion, but the cost and labor is too much for me.  I am still running around in my original NiMH, passing the 70,000 mile mark recently.

Modesty prevails, but you can read my trevails here I-Sing-the-Pickup-Electric-3328417.php from the SF Chronicle circa March 2000, just when gasoline first hit $2/gallon. I let Scott Ostler drive it around SF while he interviewed me.

BTW, the USPS had been trying out various EV platforms, and I recall seeing some red EVs with sodium sulfur (?) batteries that themselves would hit 600 degrees and start their own fires.

During the arab oil embargo in mid 1970s, we wrapped some lead acid batteries around the jeeps that made them even more dangerous.  So HQ decided that all post offices with 20 vehicles needed underground storage tanks, as we could not have post men waiting in 1 hour lines to gas up at the local gas stations.

Again, fortunately for me, I won fame and glory in the 1990-2000s by getting enough funding to dig up the mostly single walled USTs (200+) and diverting disastrous leaks, explosions and calamities  of which I can no longer divulge.

Around this time, GSA started providing the Chrysler EPIC EVs that were based on the Voyager models, which worked for us as a delivery van.  I put 17 in the Harbor City P.O. making it the first entirely EV Post Office in the USA.  THe postmen loved them, as they were quite upscale, and used the non conductive large paddle for charging.  Again, HQ decided to abort the project, even though GSA provided a 50% incentive to use them.

Since I retired in 2011, I have very little contact with the USPS, and their web sites that used to show off their environmental achievements don't seem to exist.  I always thought that if the USPS stayed with the LLV EVs they would have saved a lot of money and reduced pollution from the 4 cylinder ICE LLVs that mostly had to start and stop during their routes, which is the worst way to  create pollution.  I have seen some very new and modern USPS EV vans based on Nissan or Sprinters? Imagine all the maintenance  and fuel cost (and pollution) that would have been saved since 2000.  A real missed opportunity.  At the time, the USPS had 200,000 vehicles, supposedly the largest non-military fleet in the world.

Sad.

Ray

I still have some of the post office envelopes that christened the 2001 LLV EV event if any one wants one...



On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:27 AM Lawrence Rhodes <primobassoon@...> wrote:
 I was around when a pilot EV program in Alameda was scrapped because the postal workers wouldn't plug in the vehicles. They all died in a week. That's one story. We dismantled the chargers. Vans were auctioned off. Here is the result: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3ezx4/post-office-delivery-trucks-keep-catching-on-fire




Re: What to do with an Old Cars

Christopher Freitas
 

Apparently there was a transitional model after VW cut them off from their engine, before they switched to using all water-cooled engines - it was the old body style but had a smaller fish mouth with a Heinkel 2 stroke engine... 
 
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Re: What to do with an Old Cars

Christopher Freitas
 

The earlier Tempos (like in the original photo) were VW air-cooled and didn't have any air intake on the front - the cooling air entered from two side "gills" right after the  suicide hinged front doors.  The later Tempos had a big fish mouth air intake on the front for a radiator (water-cooled gas or diesel engine) and regular opening front doors.      

Funny thing about Tempos is that they had a nice non-swing axle front suspension with front wheel drive - but the rear suspension was swing arm style with the typical off camber wonky look when lightly loaded - even though the rear wheels were not driven.  

I came close to buying two different Tempos here in the USA - one air cooled / one water cooled - passed on both due to condition and getting parts. I had a 1965 VW bus at the time and always thought the front wheel drive approach of the Tempo was a much better design and that VW should have just bought Tempo's design instead.     

I eventually ended up with a Pinzgauer (front-mounted / air-cooled and four-wheel drive).  It has front and rear swing axles with portals gearboxes - so off-camber wheels all round!  I personally think air-cooled engines should be in the front of a vehicle where there is plenty of air to cool them... 


Re: What to do with an Old Cars

Dick Tuttle
 

Lloyd 600 vans and trucks were 2 cylinder, front wheel drive. They were smaller than VWs, Goliaths and DKWs.  Here's my Lloyd in 1963 out camping in Marin with my late wife. Alfa also made one with a 2 cylinder diesel.
ce088.JPG


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Nelson <citbuff@...>
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] What to do with an Old Cars

The one I saw in Sac. had a two cyl engine, not a boxer 4 like a vw - and its name was different - I coulda sworn it was a Lloyd - 

Ken

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Christopher Freitas <christopher64@...> wrote:
Definitely a Tempo - they used a VW beetle motor but with a non-swing axle tranny and were FWD - before VW had a van.   Got cut off from beetle motors once VW built their bus - switched to a water cooled Austin and also a small diesel - which eventually became Hanomog and then Mercedes.  The Tempo name moved to India and they are still built there. 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM Dick Tuttle via groups.io <four4dhc=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
That van has a Tempo look to it.  They made quite a lot of them in Hamburg.

Dick Tuttle


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Nelson <citbuff@...>
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:09 am
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] What to do with an Old Cars

Lou, is that a Goiath van in that pic? Or a Lloyd?  That's a rare bird!  

Ken

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:09 AM Lou via groups.io <c1937=znet.com@groups.io> wrote:
   
   
   
   
Hi Arcaners,           
    After you have religiously  changed the oil,        
waxed your car,  kept in the heated garage,        
 put on seat covers to preserve your car so   
the next owner might have a "like new"        
experience, it comes time to find that new    
owner who'll take the same pride of    
ownership that you have displayed.       
    You could give it to a friend or relative    
who would expect lifetime free warranty   
on all parts despite their abuse.       
    You could donate it to a charity that   
wouldn't bother to record a title change   
so you get someone else's parking    
tickets for ever more.   
    You could trade it in on a new car that   
doesn't have all the features you appreciated
in the old car and would raise the new car    
price what ever they said you were getting    
for a trade it.       
    OR  you could let these guys have it    
for a little fun.   
  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4pUIQjkREE&feature=youtu.be&mc_cid=cf69b376a9&mc_eid=8089d3f691>                   
   
 
   
Forget about the "Lady Bird" laws, let    
sleeping Beauties lie.   (Photo below:)   
    Stay safe,            Lou         
   
        
   
   
   
       
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   


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Re: What to do with an Old Cars

John Haniotis
 

It is a Tempo Matador 1400 (non VW engine)-not sure if it is a 2 or 4-cycle.

https://en.wheelsage.org/tempo/matador_1

 

JohnH

 

 

From: <ArcaneAutos@groups.io> on behalf of Ken Nelson <citbuff@...>
Reply-To: <ArcaneAutos@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 11:10 AM
To: <ArcaneAutos@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] What to do with an Old Cars

 

And what engine does this one have John?   

 

Ken

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM John Haniotis <axiom@...> wrote:

Tempo Matador? The front facia, roofline and windshield opening match.

 

JohnH

From: <ArcaneAutos@groups.io> on behalf of Ken Nelson <citbuff@...>
Reply-To: <ArcaneAutos@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 10:46 AM
To: <ArcaneAutos@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] What to do with an Old Cars

 

The one I saw in Sac. had a two cyl engine, not a boxer 4 like a vw - and its name was different - I coulda sworn it was a Lloyd - 

 

Ken

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Christopher Freitas <christopher64@...> wrote:

Definitely a Tempo - they used a VW beetle motor but with a non-swing axle tranny and were FWD - before VW had a van.   Got cut off from beetle motors once VW built their bus - switched to a water cooled Austin and also a small diesel - which eventually became Hanomog and then Mercedes.  The Tempo name moved to India and they are still built there. 

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM Dick Tuttle via groups.io <four4dhc=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

That van has a Tempo look to it.  They made quite a lot of them in Hamburg.

 

Dick Tuttle

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Nelson <citbuff@...>
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 8:09 am
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] What to do with an Old Cars

Lou, is that a Goiath van in that pic? Or a Lloyd?  That's a rare bird!  

 

Ken

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:09 AM Lou via groups.io <c1937=znet.com@groups.io> wrote:

   
   
   
   
Hi Arcaners,           
    After you have religiously  changed the oil,        
waxed your car,  kept in the heated garage,        
 put on seat covers to preserve your car so   
the next owner might have a "like new"        
experience, it comes time to find that new    
owner who'll take the same pride of    
ownership that you have displayed.       
    You could give it to a friend or relative    
who would expect lifetime free warranty   
on all parts despite their abuse.       
    You could donate it to a charity that   
wouldn't bother to record a title change   
so you get someone else's parking    
tickets for ever more.   
    You could trade it in on a new car that   
doesn't have all the features you appreciated
in the old car and would raise the new car    
price what ever they said you were getting    
for a trade it.       
   
OR  you could let these guys have it    
for a little fun.   
  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4pUIQjkREE&feature=youtu.be&mc_cid=cf69b376a9&mc_eid=8089d3f691>                   
   
    
Forget about the "Lady Bird" laws, let    
sleeping Beauties lie.   (Photo below:)   
    Stay safe,            Lou         
   
        
   
   
   
       
   
   
   
       
   
   
   
   


 

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Re: Tempo Matador (Was: What to do with an Old Cars

Fred Cisin
 

Google IMAGES has some pictures of Tempo Matadors with similar front chrome strips:

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