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Re: Renault in S.J.

Scott Davis
 

I've owned and updated one. Good interior space, unique French styling, period level safety. 

96v with lead acid is slow,  especially up hills. 120v (8v cells) better but at the motor limit. Balancing the flywheel made it better. Adapter plate was fiber board, serious issues with moisture and warping so I replaced with aluminum. Have a spare motor if anyone needs it. 

Leaf cells would make it quite useful. 

Scott


-------- Original message --------
From: David Russel <djrussel@...>
Date: 7/20/20 11:02 (GMT-08:00)
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] Renault in S.J.

Ken,

Ad isn’t gone. Extra . In link. Try this one



David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


Ad is gone - saw that awhile ago - don't know where it went - 

Ken



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Dale <daleice@...> wrote:
somebody in this group?
https://sfbay..craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html
Dale



Re: Renault in S.J.

Ken Nelson
 

This LeCar/R5 would make an extremely smooth-riding electric, as the suspension is all torsionbar like my R16 Renaults, and that suspension is the closest thing to a hydropneumatic Citroen DS suspension in comfort vs every other car ever made.  I was in a gas R5 yrs ago when the driver slammed over two major drainage gutters onto a major highway in Detroit and I was stiffening myself against the crash, but that car just soaked the gutters up as tho they didn't exist!  That was my first experience with the Renault torsionbar setup, and it's marvelous.  Wish I had the space/time/knowledge to re-electrify this with updated batts and electronics.

Ken

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:22 PM David Russel <djrussel@...> wrote:
Weird.  It worked for me. 

Copied and pasted The address Dale sent, removed the extra period, copied corrected link, pasted it into search bar and it worked. 
Then pasted it into message and replied. 

Went back to listing and forwarded from CL page. Hope that works. Also sent it to Sri as he has batteries galore. 

David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


"David, this one doesn't work either - 

Ken

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Russel <djrussel@...> wrote:
Ken,

Ad isn’t gone. Extra . In link. Try this one



David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


Ad is gone - saw that awhile ago - don't know where it went - 

Ken



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Dale <daleice@...> wrote:
somebody in this group?
https://sfbay..craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html
Dale



Re: Renault in S.J.

David Russel
 

Weird.  It worked for me. 

Copied and pasted The address Dale sent, removed the extra period, copied corrected link, pasted it into search bar and it worked. 
Then pasted it into message and replied. 

Went back to listing and forwarded from CL page. Hope that works. Also sent it to Sri as he has batteries galore. 

David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


"David, this one doesn't work either - 

Ken

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Russel <djrussel@...> wrote:
Ken,

Ad isn’t gone. Extra . In link. Try this one



David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


Ad is gone - saw that awhile ago - don't know where it went - 

Ken



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Dale <daleice@...> wrote:
somebody in this group?
https://sfbay..craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html
Dale



Re: 1980 Renault LeCar R5 - Lectric Leopard is a Factory EV - cars &...

Ken Nelson
 

It's been on CL for awhile now......


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:20 PM Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:17 PM David Russel <djrussel@...> wrote:
Trying again. Hope this works.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html


David

Sent From Mobile Phone




Re: 1980 Renault LeCar R5 - Lectric Leopard is a Factory EV - cars &...

Ken Nelson
 

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:17 PM David Russel <djrussel@...> wrote:
Trying again. Hope this works.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html


David

Sent From Mobile Phone




1980 Renault LeCar R5 - Lectric Leopard is a Factory EV - cars &...

David Russel
 


Re: Renault in S.J.

Ken Nelson
 

"David, this one doesn't work either - 

Ken

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 2:02 PM David Russel <djrussel@...> wrote:
Ken,

Ad isn’t gone. Extra . In link. Try this one



David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


Ad is gone - saw that awhile ago - don't know where it went - 

Ken



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Dale <daleice@...> wrote:
somebody in this group?
https://sfbay..craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html
Dale



Re: Renault in S.J.

David Russel
 

Ken,

Ad isn’t gone. Extra . In link. Try this one



David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


Ad is gone - saw that awhile ago - don't know where it went - 

Ken



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Dale <daleice@...> wrote:
somebody in this group?
https://sfbay..craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html
Dale



Re: Renault in S.J.

Ken Nelson
 

Ad is gone - saw that awhile ago - don't know where it went - 

Ken



On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:49 AM Dale <daleice@...> wrote:
somebody in this group?
https://sfbay..craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-1980-renault-lecar-r5-lectric/7160474348.html
Dale



Renault in S.J.

Dale
 


Great bird video

Ken Nelson
 


 If only humans can interact with natural enemies like Swoop does with the cat - this world would be much better

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Re: Wrap in SF?

Neil Pering
 

Hi Ken/Byron:
I checked the Tesla owner’s e-mail and I came up with a place in Los Gatos. Take a look at the website and see if it would do:
www.deepreflectionsdetailers.com
Regards, Neil. 


Neil Pering

+1650-537-0810

On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Ken Nelson <citbuff@...> wrote:


I didn't get a clear answer today at our cars & coffee Bryon, but think someone will get back to me before nex wk,  Will also post on grp email - 

Best,
Ken

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 11:19 AM Byron Brill <jowett1@...> wrote:

Great information, Ken.  Thanks!

 

Byron

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Nelson
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:23 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] Wrap in SF?

 

One of our guys in Donuts mentioned wrapping a car last Sat - I'll ask tomorrow at bagel shop - 

 

Hey By, did you see my writeup to grp about the gen bearing in my PL cabrio?  Last Sat tried to run with Fiat group and at first stoplight from park lot my gen froze, belt squealed like a stuck pig, and I had to motor the car around a corner on the starter in 2nd gear to get out of traffic.  Those bearings from those days never had grease seals on them - as soon as the grease got hot & ran out, they run dry, and in this case the balls cut thru the steep retaining bands, turned one area into shrapnel, which fell into races and jammed the balls.  If you've never checked your gen, I strongly suggest checking the pulley rotation for Feel, and noise.  They're 60 yrs old if never regreased.  

 

You can get new double-sealed bearings from Grainger supply, mail order, for $5 @ and shipping.   Part is no. 6202 2RS - means 35 mm OD, 15 ID, and 11 mm thick.  Drill or grind off the two rivets holding the keeper plate to the front gen cover, punch the rivet stubs out, push bearing out of front cover using a good-sized socket, and replace with these pre-lubed, sealed bearings which will outlast all of us.

 

Ken

 

Ken 

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:27 PM Byron Brill <jowett1@...> wrote:

One of my sons has friends looking for a company in the Bay Area that can do full body auto wraps.  Anyone have any recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Byron


Re: Wrap in SF?

Ken Nelson
 

I didn't get a clear answer today at our cars & coffee Bryon, but think someone will get back to me before nex wk,  Will also post on grp email - 

Best,
Ken

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 11:19 AM Byron Brill <jowett1@...> wrote:

Great information, Ken.  Thanks!

 

Byron

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Nelson
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:23 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] Wrap in SF?

 

One of our guys in Donuts mentioned wrapping a car last Sat - I'll ask tomorrow at bagel shop - 

 

Hey By, did you see my writeup to grp about the gen bearing in my PL cabrio?  Last Sat tried to run with Fiat group and at first stoplight from park lot my gen froze, belt squealed like a stuck pig, and I had to motor the car around a corner on the starter in 2nd gear to get out of traffic.  Those bearings from those days never had grease seals on them - as soon as the grease got hot & ran out, they run dry, and in this case the balls cut thru the steep retaining bands, turned one area into shrapnel, which fell into races and jammed the balls.  If you've never checked your gen, I strongly suggest checking the pulley rotation for Feel, and noise.  They're 60 yrs old if never regreased.  

 

You can get new double-sealed bearings from Grainger supply, mail order, for $5 @ and shipping.   Part is no. 6202 2RS - means 35 mm OD, 15 ID, and 11 mm thick.  Drill or grind off the two rivets holding the keeper plate to the front gen cover, punch the rivet stubs out, push bearing out of front cover using a good-sized socket, and replace with these pre-lubed, sealed bearings which will outlast all of us.

 

Ken

 

Ken 

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:27 PM Byron Brill <jowett1@...> wrote:

One of my sons has friends looking for a company in the Bay Area that can do full body auto wraps.  Anyone have any recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Byron


Re: Wrap in SF?

Byron Brill
 

Great information, Ken.  Thanks!

 

Byron

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Nelson
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:23 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] Wrap in SF?

 

One of our guys in Donuts mentioned wrapping a car last Sat - I'll ask tomorrow at bagel shop - 

 

Hey By, did you see my writeup to grp about the gen bearing in my PL cabrio?  Last Sat tried to run with Fiat group and at first stoplight from park lot my gen froze, belt squealed like a stuck pig, and I had to motor the car around a corner on the starter in 2nd gear to get out of traffic.  Those bearings from those days never had grease seals on them - as soon as the grease got hot & ran out, they run dry, and in this case the balls cut thru the steep retaining bands, turned one area into shrapnel, which fell into races and jammed the balls.  If you've never checked your gen, I strongly suggest checking the pulley rotation for Feel, and noise.  They're 60 yrs old if never regreased.  

 

You can get new double-sealed bearings from Grainger supply, mail order, for $5 @ and shipping.   Part is no. 6202 2RS - means 35 mm OD, 15 ID, and 11 mm thick.  Drill or grind off the two rivets holding the keeper plate to the front gen cover, punch the rivet stubs out, push bearing out of front cover using a good-sized socket, and replace with these pre-lubed, sealed bearings which will outlast all of us.

 

Ken

 

Ken 

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:27 PM Byron Brill <jowett1@...> wrote:

One of my sons has friends looking for a company in the Bay Area that can do full body auto wraps.  Anyone have any recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Byron


Re: Wrap in SF?

Ken Nelson
 

One of our guys in Donuts mentioned wrapping a car last Sat - I'll ask tomorrow at bagel shop - 

Hey By, did you see my writeup to grp about the gen bearing in my PL cabrio?  Last Sat tried to run with Fiat group and at first stoplight from park lot my gen froze, belt squealed like a stuck pig, and I had to motor the car around a corner on the starter in 2nd gear to get out of traffic.  Those bearings from those days never had grease seals on them - as soon as the grease got hot & ran out, they run dry, and in this case the balls cut thru the steep retaining bands, turned one area into shrapnel, which fell into races and jammed the balls.  If you've never checked your gen, I strongly suggest checking the pulley rotation for Feel, and noise.  They're 60 yrs old if never regreased.  

You can get new double-sealed bearings from Grainger supply, mail order, for $5 @ and shipping.   Part is no. 6202 2RS - means 35 mm OD, 15 ID, and 11 mm thick.  Drill or grind off the two rivets holding the keeper plate to the front gen cover, punch the rivet stubs out, push bearing out of front cover using a good-sized socket, and replace with these pre-lubed, sealed bearings which will outlast all of us.

Ken

Ken 


On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:27 PM Byron Brill <jowett1@...> wrote:

One of my sons has friends looking for a company in the Bay Area that can do full body auto wraps.  Anyone have any recommendations?

 

Thanks,

Byron


Re: Traction Avant

David Russel
 

Make sure to ask about the gearbox. Past problems, current behavior, repair work. 

David 

Sent From Mobile Phone

On Jul 17, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Berkeley <berkeley@...> wrote:

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/


Re: Traction Avant

Brian Kanamu
 

I see Ken has responded.  Well done!

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Kanamu via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 9:15 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ArcaneAutos] Traction Avant

 

Tractions are great fun and amazing in an autocross.  One thing they’re famous for is shift linkage problems.  The shifter comes out of the dash and is really hinky.  Shift very delicately, don’t rush and you won’t get it completely jammed between second and third as often.

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Berkeley
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:59 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: [ArcaneAutos] Traction Avant

 

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/

 

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Re: Traction Avant

Brian Kanamu
 

Tractions are great fun and amazing in an autocross.  One thing they’re famous for is shift linkage problems.  The shifter comes out of the dash and is really hinky.  Shift very delicately, don’t rush and you won’t get it completely jammed between second and third as often.

 

From: ArcaneAutos@groups.io [mailto:ArcaneAutos@groups.io] On Behalf Of Berkeley
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:59 PM
To: ArcaneAutos@groups.io
Subject: [ArcaneAutos] Traction Avant

 

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/


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Re: Traction Avant

Ken Nelson
 

Hello Berkeley - If you need any help evaluating this Traction, I've had 8 different ones in the last 45 yrs & know them pretty thoroughly, from rebuilding the transmissions to engine/brake/driveshaft rebuilding & converting them to 12 volt electrics with modern Delco alternators.  Two things to check carefully on these cars:
First gear has no synchro and it's not very robust.  About 4 yrs ago the Traction owners around the Bay area had 3 gearboxes break - mostly 1st gear if I recall correctly.  Never shift into first unless dead stopped, and always use the dash shifter to just "touch" . 2nd gear without fully engaging it, then go to 1st.  Doing this slows the transmission shafts and avoids crunching first gear, which is what often loses a tooth if engaged agressively.   Next, install two fuses in the elec harness, as they have NO fuses, and ALL the battery and generator current goes thru the ammeter on the dash.  One bad electrical short and the harness goes up in smoke, as it's tightly bundled and that concentrates the heat and destroys the whole bundle if not caught quickly.  Put one fuse between the battery feed to the voltage regulator, and a second between the v reg. and the ammeter.  The most important one is between the V reg and the ammerter, as a short downriver of the ammeter can fry the whole harness under the dash, which is hardest to replace/repair due to limited access.  

Another area to examine carefully - the inboard Ujoints - check them for play - a friend in Detroit had one so sloppy that the inner cross fell out of its yoke on the transmission output shaft, jammed, and broke that gearbox.  Also check the outer double Ujoints for slop.  And make darn sure the front suicide doors are always completely latched before moving forward.  Las Aug coming back from the Pacific Grove Little car show, the passenger door of my '61 Panhard cabrio flew open at 55 mph on Hwy 1, and the door nearly tore off the car.  Did $16K damage to my car, fortunately covered by Hagerty.  Same thing can happen to any suicide door car, especially with passengers who may not be that aware of this possibility, and sometimes the second safety latch doesn't work, as in my case.  

I've had enough of these cars to come across some strange problems, but ultimately solved them all.  The Tractions are great cars - you might also want to talk with Clark Rodgers, who's in the Arcaners I think - just haven't seen him in awhile - his car has to be one of the best cared for and fastest Tractions on the W coast.  

Ken Nelson
248-515-9879
Palo Alto
So. Lyon, Mi.  



On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:58 PM Berkeley <berkeley@...> wrote:
Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/


Traction Avant

Berkeley
 

Mmmmmm, I've had my eye on these ever since seeing Diva in 1980. The same guy has a number of other interesting cars for sale as well.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/394282128222487/

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