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jennifercroce37 <jennifercroce37@...>
How do you balance the needs and wants of your child with your own? For example, my 2 1/2 year old daughter wanted me to sit down and do puzzles with her. I sat down for a few minutes with her to do them but I had to take care of other children (I run a daycare)and to be honest I really didn't feel like sitting with her at that moment. She is able to do the puzzles on her own so it wasn't like she needed my help. Of course when I didn't give her the attention she wanted she had a tantrum which then aggravated me and the conflict began. So my question is how do you cope when you really don't want to do something with your child or you aren't able to because you have other responsibilities that need your attention?
Thanks, Jen
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-=How do you balance the needs and wants of your child with your own? -
=- http://sandradodd.com/howto -=- I sat down for a few minutes with her to do them but I had to take care of other children (I run a daycare)and to be honest I really didn't feel like sitting with her at that moment. -=- Be very careful about using "had to" on this list. <g> http://sandradodd.com/haveto -=-She is able to do the puzzles on her own so it wasn't like she needed my help. -=- This argument is used by a badillion parents to stop reading to their children as soon as the child can sound out a few words. "She can read now, she doesn't need me to read to her." -=-Of course when I didn't give her the attention she wanted she had a tantrum which then aggravated me and the conflict began.-=- The conflict began before you were aggravated. You were aggravated that she wanted her mother? -=-So my question is how do you cope when you really don't want to do something with your child or you aren't able to because you have other responsibilities that need your attention?-=- Learn to want to do things, or find someone else to do things with or for your child. Most extreme case: give your child up for adoption. At least consider it. Because until people have made a choice, they're not making choices. If you choose NOT to give your child up for adoption, you might see more clearly the obligations you have to a two year old baby. Sandra
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Verna <lalow@...>
--- In AlwaysLearning@..., "jennifercroce37" <jennifercroce37@...> wrote:
This evening my 6 year old asked me if I would help him set up a domino run. I was making dinner and told him yes, but could he wait till after dinner. After dinner he wanted me to make some cookies and he wanted to help, so we did that. Then I cleaned up while he played with his siblings. Then he wanted to read me a book. By this time I was tired and wanted to get in bed and read my email and watch a movie. He on the other hand asked again about the dominoes. Now, he is 6 and not 2 but I asked him nicely if he would not mind if we waited till morning because I was very tired. He accepted this. Today, I have built with legos with him, read to him, played Mario and Sonic at the Olympics and Rock Band, played house etc... Therefore he was much more accepting of my request to wait till tomorrow than if we had done little together. I have found even when my kids were 2, if I honestly gave the kids the time/attention they needed from me, then they were more accepting of giving me time to myself.
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Jennifer Croce <jennifercroce37@...>
--- On Sat, 4/4/09, Verna <lalow@...> wrote:
I have found even when my kids were 2, if I honestly gave the kids the time/attention they needed from me, then they were more accepting of giving me time to myself.<I think that is my problem, I have very little time for myself. I am more or less a single parent right now due to my husband's work schedule (he is a CPA and it is tax season). I run my home daycare and am the primary person responsible for all the domestic and child related duties. I have been better about making time for myself (I run and am training for a 1/2 marathon in 2010 and get monthly massages) but I feel it really isn't enought. I do love and enjoy being with my children which is why I am learning about unschooling. Thanks, Jen
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space_and_freedom
--- In AlwaysLearning@..., "jennifercroce37" <jennifercroce37@...> wrote:
She wasn't asking because she needed help, she was asking because she wanted your company. She wanted her Mommy. She probably doesn't like sharing you with other kids. Do you have a tendency to put her needs/desires on the back burner because you feel obligated to the parents of the other kids in your care? (seeing as they are paying for a service?) I don't know how I'd be able to meet the needs of a 2 1/2 year old if I was running a daycare. (2 1/2 is very very young, if you have babies in your daycare you may be seeing your daughter as older and expecting too much from her.) This may not be an issue of balance, this may be an issue of being pulled in too may directions to do your best for your daughter. Good luck, Jen H (DD8, DD6, DS3)
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Jennifer Croce <jennifercroce37@...>
--- On Sat, 4/4/09, space_and_freedom <space_and_freedom@...> wrote:
She probably doesn't like sharing you with other kids.<I am sure she doesn't which I realize is normal. My girls get jealous of each other and fight for my attention. I do make sure I spend some one on one time with her during the day (I'll put the daycare kids down for nap and then spend time reading and nursing her before she naps. Some days, like today, she didn't nap and was with me instead). I spend time in the morning with her when she first wakes up and before she goes to bed (again nursing, cuddling and reading to her). I decided to open a home daycare so I could work and still be available for my girls (I run my daycare on the school schedule so I am done work at 4pm, I don't work on Wednesday and am closed whenever the schools are so I have a lot of time off). Even though it isn't perfect, I feel it is a lot better than working outside the home and having my girls in daycare or before/after school care. No situation is perfect and I am doing the best I can. I believe the girls learn a lot from the daycare and it provides peer interaction for my younger daughter. She wasn't asking because she needed help, she was asking because she wanted your company. She wanted her Mommy.<I realize she didn't really need help but just wanted my attention. Between my other obligations and my personal feelings at the moment I just wasn't able to give it to her. I did spend some time with her it just wasn't as long as she wanted. This may not be an issue of balance, this may be an issue of being pulled in too may directions to do your best for your daughter.<I'll admit that I do feel stretched to the limit at times, but I think we all do at some point or another. It is a balancing act of meeting my business obligations, personal obligations and my children's needs. I specifically designed my business so I could be with my children. I feel like they have benefited from me doing this even though it means I can't always give them the time and attention they want. I realize I made the choice to open my daycare and that choice has both positive and negative outcomes. I think the positives outweigh the negatives most of the time. Jen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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kelly_sturman <kelly_sturman@...>
--- In AlwaysLearning@..., Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
I LOVE THE POWER OF STORYTELLING AND THE POWER OF MYTH. I *still* enjoy being read to, tho' I do a lot of reading on my own, and I am nearly 40. I don't get read to much though, b/c I am usually the reader; I am the favored reader. I read to my husband and my kids at bedtime. Everybody cuddled up in our bed, and my DH enjoys it every bit as the kids. Everybody takes turns picking what will be read next, so it might be _Bartimaeus_ or Shakespeare or _A Hole is To Dig_, or _Goodnight Moon_ or Nancy Drew, but I haven't yet met somebody who has grown to old to enjoy being read to. It is so nurturing, the rhythm of the words washing over one while one cuddles up with one's beloveds. Which is better, staying awake to hear the end? Or falling asleep to the comforting rhythm of a loved one's voice? You really can't lose, either way! I have the luxury of not having an "outside" job (but the challenge of meeting the needs of five medically specially needy kids, which is pretty much a full time job in itself), but I keep coming back to this: I intend to enjoy these amazing people's company for as long as they are willing to include me in their lives. And if I am respectful, they may choose to include me for longer, and more often. For me finding balance is making peace with what is right now. Right now might mean everybody has a stomach virus; that's bad, right? No, that's good. That's a physical reminder to slow down, hunker down, cuddle up, make homemade ginger ale--sooooo much better for sick tummies than the store bought stuff (which contains no ginger at all!)--and just give in to what is. Or right now might be a "car day" where Mom's taxi is busy moving children to one activity to another. I could choose to be annoyed b/c I'd prefer a slower lifestyle. But I can also choose to be pleased to have the time, in the car, to connect with the passengers. LOTS of good talks happen in the car on the way to the things we choose to be doing. Kelly Sturman
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kelly_sturman <kelly_sturman@...>
And this is why I love this list! This is why it helps me to grow!
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This is the inverse statement I got from a doctor I had contacted regarding potentially adopting a child that we did end up adopting. "Doc," I said, "I fear this child has undiagnosed ____ and if we bring it to the attention of the authorities, they will say she is too sick to be adopted. But if we don't, the stress of the move from her orphanage to our family could throw her into a life-threatening crisis. So, how do we avoid that crisis?" And doc, very matter-of-fact, replied, "You don't adopt her." And that was that. She was right. We had choices. We could leave her in a situation where her medical needs remained undiagnosed and untreated, or we could bring her here, where she would get good care, but the trip itself would be risky. We wanted to hear we could make the trip without risk. But that was not an option. We had to accept what is, and make a choice based on THAT. Accept what is, and make a conscious, thoughtful choice based on that. And then do it again. And then again. YES! :-) Kelly Sturman
--- In AlwaysLearning@..., Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
Most extreme case: give your child up for adoption. At least
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-=-I'll admit that I do feel stretched to the limit at times, but I
think we all do at some point or another. -=- Sure, but then the priorities will help you decide what to do when you feel stretched. Just saying "we all do" seems to dismiss the fact that you have decisions to make. -=- I specifically designed my business so I could be with my children. I feel like they have benefited from me doing this even though it means I can't always give them the time and attention they want.-=- On this list, the advice you get will be about making unschooling work. Sandra
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Robyn L. Coburn <dezigna@...>
It can be a really hard choice to decide to make do with less financially in order to unschool. The choice to unschool is a choice to be actively present and spend far, far more time with our own children than pretty much any other parenting philosophy, more than you think will be needed - and to continue to be present and spend far more time for longer than mainstream philosophies would expect as our children age. My dd is 9 and she wants me to play with her and talk to her and sit near to her for what is probably close to 10-12 hours every day other than when she has playdates (and I am usually nearby). She sleeps for 10, is awake for 16 (yes longer than 24 hour days) but my point is the proportion of time is still huge.
Longtime unschoolers here with teens talk about the kind of time they are spending with their teens, by the teens' invitation and desire. They talk about young adults living away who evidently still consider regular and meaningful contact with their parents as essential to their own happiness. This is the investment we are making with our little ones, and our middle ones. Luckily Jayn and I have a lot of crossover interests. We do a lot together, including creative work, and she is more willing now to spend time with her father, and he does take her off for several hours at a time intermittently, and I then write like crazy - which is what I "do" now - writing that is definitely an investment in long term future prosperity. I can put in earplugs and write on the other side of the room when she has certain kids over for playdates (those that tend not to need help with negotiations) but there are other kids when I choose to be much more focussed and I continue to listen more actively. <<<<< it provides peer interaction for my younger daughter.>>>>> So would school. All of Jayn's playmates and associates are in her life by her choice. They are not coming in to her home because I have brought them here for reasons of my own. Having a bunch of kids foisted on your child every day, who are inescapable in her own home, is not the same as allowing her to choose her playmates from a crowd at the local home schooling park day, for instance. <<<< It is a balancing act of meeting my business obligations, personal obligations and my children's needs.>>>> There are other people unschooling and offering daycare in their home for greater or fewer numbers of kids. I don't know how they do it. I'm being really honest here. It seems to me that you are saying you want help finding balance, but maybe what you are really looking for is support in partly unschooling, because I don't know what really balancing a daycare and unschooling would look like. I really don't know how daycare operators can give their own children the focus and attention that real, flourishing, magical, successful unschooling seems to demand of me for my child when they are bringing any number of other children in to their home and being asked to realize the expectations of the other children's parents on a regular basis. Positives and negatives change when held up to the light of unschooling. Priorities change when examined through the lens of unschooling. It may be that you will never see the full benefits of unschooling, or the full amazing transcendent brilliance of natural learning moments while you are choosing to run a daycare. It's a bit like the person on Sandra's site who wrote that "unschooling didn't blossom until I stepped away from traditional parenting." I was a vegetarian for about 15 years. When I told people I was a vege, almost invariably the first thing they would say is "I don't eat much meat." I'd said it myself to my vege friends before making the change. It's wasn't until I actually stopped eating meat that I realized just how much meat was in my diet. Robyn L. Coburn www.Iggyjingles.etsy.com www.iggyjingles.blogspot.com www.allthingsdoll.blogspot.com I specifically designed my business so I could be with my children. I feel like they have benefited from me doing this even though it means I can't always give them the time and attention they want. I realize I made the choice to open my daycare and that choice has both positive and negative outcomes. I think the positives outweigh the negatives most of the time. Jen ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00
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shepherdlass
I'd love to contribute to the discussion about Jen's query, but definitely
don't have the expertise. But could I ask for some advice on a question which poses the opposite side of balancing your child's needs with your own? My 12-year-old daughter recently joined a mixed-age (11 to around ... um...90ish!) amateur orchestra and absolutely adores being part of it. I've also been invited to join and would love to do so. I really like sharing time with my daughter (a new luxury, having just taken her out of school). I also like playing music. But my daughter is absolutely mortified that her mother might come along to this group with her: in her words, "It'd be so embarrassing!" I've already told her that I would not sit in the same section as her and I'd allow her to have her own space at coffee breaks. I'd not 'baby' her in any way. But she's adamant she doesn't want me there. I absolutely want to respect her wishes, but I also want her to understand that I am a human being with my own wishes and enthusiasms too. What would you do in this situation? Jude
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-=-Longtime unschoolers here with teens talk about the kind of time
they are spending with their teens, by the teens' invitation and desire. -=- On Thursday Holly wanted to skateboard to the mall. She's 17 and a new skateboarder. I was worried that she would get hurt, or get too tired. The neighborhoods between here and there have driveway cuts in the sidewalk, and she's not good enough to skate up and down those angled cuts yet. This was my angst. She wasn't wearing long sleeves. But all I said was something like "This is like Keith riding the motorcycle; I worry, but I want you guys to have fun." And I told her if she wanted a ride home to call. She took enough money for the bus. She got to the mall even though the route she chose was closed by serious construction (we had looked at maps of bike paths, but none went safely to the mall for skateboards). I helped he with those things and she wanted me to. She started home, and called for a ride, told me where she was and that she needed the bathroom. I advised her about the nearest good public restroom which was also right near a place I could pick her up easily. I drove there, she was waiting on a bench, and she got in the car. She had gotten on a bus, but it had made a turn south and, afraid she was on the wrong bus, she got back off. It was just going by the other mall and would've gone east again, but she didn't know. I didn't shame her about it at all. I just told her that any bus driver knows all the other routes and schedules in his own area too, and that it's really okay to say, before putting the money in the till, "I need to get to Juan Tabo and Menaul" or whatever. Next time she's planning to try to take a bus by herself, I'll also talk to her about asking for a transfer. That was Thursday. Yesterday, Friday, I had a horribly rough morning; a friend who was carrying twins lost one and I was assigned the job of letting our friends know. I wasn't sure for several hours myself whether she had lost both. This came at a bad time for me for similar other reasons, emotionally. I asked Holly if she would drive me to the post office. I had four packages of copies of -Moving a Puddle- and/or Thinking Sticks to mail. Holly, a 17 year old girl with a car to drive, a skateboard to ride and no school said "I'd love to." She honestly would love to drive me to the post office. That's not one of the things I foresaw when my kids were little. I thought they would be "typical teenagers" at some point. Holly is my youngest and they're all much different from typical teenagers. I do know a few unschooling families whose teens are not as sweet and happy as mine are. Sometimes it's because of cynicism in the families or one parent never really participated in unschooling or there were still rules and chores and "consequences" (unnatural consequences "imposed" by the parents and then called "natural consequences"). Holly drove me to the post office, even though I know how to drive myself. We had fun even though the line was slow, smiling and waving at people's babies and toddlers, and talking about the recent doings of her La Cueva High School friends (she has a small group of friends she went to the homecoming dance with--limo ride and all--because she knew one of the girls from the SCA and was invited into the group). The plan had been we would eat lunch and she would bring me right back home, but she cheered me up so much I was willing to stay out longer, so we went to the mall and I bought her a pair of sandals from the shoe store where her boyfriend works. He sold them to us using a family and friends discount. I didn't want him to lose his commission that way, but he said the savings was bigger than the commission would've been. We wandered around and shopped together in a very leisurely and peaceful way. She ran into a friend and former co- worker who was just about to interview at Industrial, another skater shop. She introduced me without any hesitation or embarrassment and we had a really nice talk while she was waiting, and we probably calmed her down and encouraged her for the interview. Being calm and positive is contagious. Holly infected me with it yesterday, and that was a wonderful gift. -=-They talk about young adults living away who evidently still consider regular and meaningful contact with their parents as essential to their own happiness. This is the investment we are making with our little ones, and our middle ones.-=- This is true of my Kirby, 22 and living in Austin. I sent a housewarming card to him and his roommates and he put it on the wall. This is true of Marty, 20, who has a 22 year old girlfriend with her own apartment and still wants to live at home even though she invited him to live with her. That would be inconceivable to many people. I keep up with the lives of several other unschoolers I know whose oldest are living with a significant other, or are at college, or have moved away to work, and their stories are like mine. The parenting bond doesn't have to be broken. But it does have to be built over many years of attention and patience and compassion. Sandra
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katherand2003
TheyAll of Jayn's playmates and associates are in her life by her choice. are not coming in to her home because I have brought them here for reasons of my own. Having a bunch of kids foisted on your child every day, who are inescapable in her own home, is not the same as allowing her to choose her playmates from a crowd at the local home schooling park day, for instance. <<<< I am so glad I saw the significance of choice in friends for Karl as soon as I have. He has long time friends (from his own birth) with a group of 3 siblings from a very difficult family. We were often in their company due to a business association, which was not directly Karl's choice. When some (in my view) extreme behavior came to a head between Karl and those siblings (the whole family really), I wanted to make sure that his continued contact with them was due to his own choices. There are privileges there which I didn't want to be part of the choice and so I wanted to give him other outlets for those privileges though I couldn't financially provide them myself at home. So we came up with other options. Once those things were cleared out of the picture, the factors are such now that if Karl goes over there, it's because he wants to be with those kids not because of some other thing or because he's tagging along with me or his dad, and there by default. Otherwise, the choice of one's friends is never really clear and a person feels obliged to maintain friendships that in one's heart aren't truly one's own but choices born and fed by habit or misplaced virtue. That is what happens/ed to so many of us through school or church or club attendance. An unschooled child can have much less of that kind of obligation, less fuzziness about what friendship really means and more clarity on true friends, when parents provide room for choice, that is. ~Katherine
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jenstarc4
peer interaction for my younger daughter.>>>I believe the girls learn a lot from the daycare and it provides Two year olds don't need peer interaction. Some two yr olds enjoy the company of other two yr olds, but for the most part, two yr olds enjoy the company of their parents above all others. If part of your reason for operating a childcare, was to provide peer interaction for you little one, you should really re-examine that. think we all do at some point or another. It is a balancing act ofI'll admit that I do feel stretched to the limit at times, but I meeting my business obligations, personal obligations and my children's needs. >>> It's very common in our culture to emphasize a mom's personal time, as seperate from mom and child time. I do understand how tiring it can be to have little ones that have continuous demands, with seemingly no end in sight. However a 2 yr old will soon be a 3 yr old, who will soon be a 4 yr old. That time of endless giving a endless caring is sooooo fleeting. It's not that a parent stops giving and caring as the kids grow, it's that sheer intensity of a 2 yr old will dissipate as they grow and do more and more things on their own. I can honestly say that the more you give now, right now, each and everyday, selflessly, the sooner and more able your little one will not need you so intensely. A 2 yr old is still very much like a baby, still very much attatched, much like an extension of mom, or an extra appendage, like an umbilical cord, that will eventually not be needed to do the feeding because there will be other better ways to meet that need.
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jenstarc4
for greater or fewer numbers of kids. I don't know how they do it. I'mbeing really honest here. It seems to me that you are saying you want helpfinding balance, but maybe what you are really looking for is support inpartly unschooling, because I don't know what really balancing a daycare and Well, we just started watching the neighbor girl before and after school. Her regular sitter moved rather suddenly and they were desperate and we were available and convenient. I didn't enter into this lightly. I discussed it over the course of 2 weeks with my family, while watching her temporarily, with the full knowledge on both ends that I'd make a final decision before that time was up. The first week was a regular school week and the second one, was spring break. It was enough for all of us to know that it will be fine for the next couple of months, but it won't work for summer care, where she'd be here all day, each and every day, like during spring break. If it stops working for our family, I will give a 2 week notice. Both of my kids know this, so they have an out if it gets to be too much for them to handle having another child here. So far, it's been ok, with a few bumps here and there, but these things are easily avoided with full on interaction and things to do to occupy their time, similar, in many ways, in which parents can help siblings get along. Otherwise, I've avoided doing regular long term childcare because my priority is to my own children, and I want both of my kids to know that without a doubt. Adding other kids that aren't mine, changes priorities.
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-=-My 12-year-old daughter recently joined a mixed-age (11 to around ...
um...90ish!) amateur orchestra and absolutely adores being part of it. I've also been invited to join and would love to do so. I really like sharing time with my daughter (a new luxury, having just taken her out of school). -=- Let her have the orchestra. Had she been out of school for years, she might want you to be there too, but part of unschooling will be her finding her own place in the world now that she's not a sixth grader or whatever she had found herself being. If the orchestra fails, let that slide. If it's solid and succeeds (maybe it's a longterm thing and will still be there), maybe join next season. In the meantime, what about a chamber group or some easy baroque stuff you could do with another friend or two, and invite your daughter to get in on if she wants? Sandra
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jenstarc4
I'd allow her to have her own space at coffee breaks. I'd not 'baby'her in any way. But she's adamant she doesn't want me there. I absolutelywant to respect her wishes, but I also want her to understand that I am ahuman being with my own wishes and enthusiasms too. What would you do in thissituation? I'd say, honor her wishes! It's waaaay too soon, after being taken out of school, for you to have this kind of relationship with her. You have to show her through words and actions that you honor her decisions and wishes. Only by doing this repeatedly for a lengthy enough time, will she be able to see you differently. Find other ways to play music with her, maybe ask her to share what new pieces she's learned in the orchestra. You could offer to practice with her outside of orchestra time. Or just fiddle around with music and invite her to join.
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shepherdlass
I'd say, honor her wishes! It's waaaay too soon, after being taken outof school, for you to have this kind of relationship with her. You have to show her through words and actions that you honor her decisions and wishes. >. Had she been out of school for years, she might want you to be thereLet her have the orchestra. too, but part of unschooling will be her finding her own place in the world now that she's not a sixth grader or whatever she had found herself being.> Not join. In fact the band program my daughter's in needed a bassistand I offered but she apologized and said no. We do a lot together, writing group and an anime group, but the band was her thing. Kids need some freedom to work on their relationships without a parent nearby. They also need things that belong to them.> Thank you all so much for the advice - it's really appreciated. I must admit this was my gut instinct, and my daughter's already gone to 3 rehearsals without me there. But I have been feeling increasingly undermined by the other adults there (who I see when I drop Jess off and pick her up). They've made it clear that they see me as a total wimp because I acquiesced to my child's wishes. I'm so glad there are other people like yourselves who can reassure someone who's still just beginning to find their way. Jude x
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Joyce Fetteroll
On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:37 PM, JudithAnneMurphy@... wrote:
But she's adamant she doesn't want me there. I absolutely want toNot join. In fact the band program my daughter's in needed a bassist and I offered but she apologized and said no. We do a lot together, writing group and an anime group, but the band was her thing. Kids need some freedom to work on their relationships without a parent nearby. They also need things that belong to them. If you want to grow a better relationship with her, don't join. If you want to sacrifice an opportunity to grow it to make a point you could join. But honestly the lesson she'd pick up isn't that you have you're own enthusiasms but that your enthusiasms are more important than her or her feelings. Joyce
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cathyandgarth <familialewis@...>
--- In AlwaysLearning@..., Jennifer Croce <jennifercroce37@...> wrote:
When my son was young (2ish) I thought long and hard about starting a home daycare. There is a HUGE need for these in our community and at first it seemed like the perfect way for me to make money and stay home with my children. I even *babysat* a friend's baby/toddler for 9 months, 3 days a week. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there was no reasonable way that I could design this business so that I could REALLY spend more time with my children. Not only that but our home/refuge would no longer be that for us -- for most of the week it wouldn't be our house it would be a place of business. Even DH, who would have loved for a second income, could see that it would really end up sucking away at our time and freedom, costing us more in less tangible ways than I could ever make up for in money. And this was all long before I discovered the concept or lifestyle of unschooling. I think that it will be difficult to find balance when you can't give your children's needs the weight they deserve because of all the other things going on and pulling you in various directions in your house each day. I am not saying don't do a daycare, but I am saying that I don't think that there is going to be an "easy for you" way around this issue -- running a daycare and having an unschooling lifestyle seem like difficult things to balance. On a more practical note, could you have sat down with her and invited other children to join you two? Sometimes she might be okay just having you down on the floor playing with her, even if other children are playing there as well. Sometimes she might just be crazing one-on-one time. Cathy
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