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Deadly death-cap mushrooms

Merilee Olson
 


Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Jeffrey Taylor
 

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On Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 06:47:34 PM EST, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:


My late husband used to grow marijuana for personal use. He had some big lovely plants.  When we moved from San Jose back to Porterville (1976) he harvested the one big plant he had left.  He dried it and packaged it up and that was that.  One day a couple months later he made some pot tea.  Okay fine. He put it in a mason jar and put that in the refrigerator - it was just for him anyway. 

Well, either that very night or the next, I saw the jar in the fridge and thought to myself that it sure would make a nice batch of French onion soup -  (I thought it was chicken broth which I’ve regularly made myself since I was 20 or so.) -  Later that evening we were all sitting around the dining room table and I’m tasting the soup and thinking well, this is a little bland - lol!.  Tim asked what I’d used.  I started to tell him and the realization floated up into my mind -  "You dummy! You made pot soup!”

No one was impressed - .  I had to throw it all out (about 1 1/2 quarts). The kids didn’t like onion soup at it’s best and this wasn’t anything really - onion-pot soup (because tea for broth). 

Becky



> On Nov 16, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:
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> I’m with you on reality being fascinating enough, Magda.  Have never been interested in psychedelics.  I tried pot eons ago but like Bill Clinton(🤣) didn’t/ couldn’t inhale. Have never smoked cigarettes and except for tiny occasional sips of dark beer, don’t like alcohol.  Caffeine doesn’t agree with me (except in chocolate). Did eat a pot-filled oatmeal cookie once, and did NOT like the effects, which kicked in while I was driving…
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 7:08 AM Magda <fotka.kalinowska@...> wrote:
> I must say that I find consciousness and reality as is fascinating enough, so I don’t do drugs at all. I might be allergic to marijuana, as it a cousin of ragweed, and I found that out the hard way a couple of times as well, so I don’t do it either. 
> Actually, my older son ordered magic mushrooms once when he was still living with us, and we were to try them together - me watching him, and then vice versa.  We had them at home for a few years, he managed to move out and get married, and plans stayed plans :).  He reported trying them not so long ago, but I never did. 
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> Magda
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>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 9:09 AM, David Markham <davidgmarkham@...> wrote:
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>> The current practice and research is being done with "micro doses". It is different from days of yore when people took much larger doses and went on a "trip" for several hours.
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>> I have some clients who use micro doses like once a month and report it is a big help with their mood and cognitive organization. The problem now days is that the quality control for the drug ingested and strength is not available so one never knows for sure what is being ingested.
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>> I, myself, have never used them. I see no need.
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>> Here is a great presentation by James Fadiman about the question of micro dosing and what he calls "citizen science."
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>> David Markham
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>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:55 AM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
>> Yes - I took LSD 2 times.  Long ago and far away.  My late hubby talked me in to it in 1969 (I think).  The second time was yukkie so I quit and I quit smoking pot, too.  Quite honestly I really never did like pot or any “drugs.”  I never did Psilocybin or mescaline/Peyote a hallucinogen that comes from a small cactus.
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>> > Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens?  Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
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>> > Why? (Your friends were doing it,  spiritual experience,  it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)
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>> > Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?
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>> > Terence McKenna  (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and
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Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Becky Lindroos
 

My late husband used to grow marijuana for personal use. He had some big lovely plants. When we moved from San Jose back to Porterville (1976) he harvested the one big plant he had left. He dried it and packaged it up and that was that. One day a couple months later he made some pot tea. Okay fine. He put it in a mason jar and put that in the refrigerator - it was just for him anyway.

Well, either that very night or the next, I saw the jar in the fridge and thought to myself that it sure would make a nice batch of French onion soup - (I thought it was chicken broth which I’ve regularly made myself since I was 20 or so.) - Later that evening we were all sitting around the dining room table and I’m tasting the soup and thinking well, this is a little bland - lol!. Tim asked what I’d used. I started to tell him and the realization floated up into my mind - "You dummy! You made pot soup!”

No one was impressed - . I had to throw it all out (about 1 1/2 quarts). The kids didn’t like onion soup at it’s best and this wasn’t anything really - onion-pot soup (because tea for broth).

Becky

On Nov 16, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:


I’m with you on reality being fascinating enough, Magda. Have never been interested in psychedelics. I tried pot eons ago but like Bill Clinton(🤣) didn’t/ couldn’t inhale. Have never smoked cigarettes and except for tiny occasional sips of dark beer, don’t like alcohol. Caffeine doesn’t agree with me (except in chocolate). Did eat a pot-filled oatmeal cookie once, and did NOT like the effects, which kicked in while I was driving…
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 7:08 AM Magda <fotka.kalinowska@...> wrote:
I must say that I find consciousness and reality as is fascinating enough, so I don’t do drugs at all. I might be allergic to marijuana, as it a cousin of ragweed, and I found that out the hard way a couple of times as well, so I don’t do it either.
Actually, my older son ordered magic mushrooms once when he was still living with us, and we were to try them together - me watching him, and then vice versa. We had them at home for a few years, he managed to move out and get married, and plans stayed plans :). He reported trying them not so long ago, but I never did.

Magda

On Nov 15, 2021, at 9:09 AM, David Markham <davidgmarkham@...> wrote:


The current practice and research is being done with "micro doses". It is different from days of yore when people took much larger doses and went on a "trip" for several hours.

I have some clients who use micro doses like once a month and report it is a big help with their mood and cognitive organization. The problem now days is that the quality control for the drug ingested and strength is not available so one never knows for sure what is being ingested.

I, myself, have never used them. I see no need.

Here is a great presentation by James Fadiman about the question of micro dosing and what he calls "citizen science."

David Markham


On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:55 AM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Yes - I took LSD 2 times. Long ago and far away. My late hubby talked me in to it in 1969 (I think). The second time was yukkie so I quit and I quit smoking pot, too. Quite honestly I really never did like pot or any “drugs.” I never did Psilocybin or mescaline/Peyote a hallucinogen that comes from a small cactus.

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:19 AM, Jeffrey Taylor via groups.io <jatta97@...> wrote:



On Monday, November 15, 2021, 12:27:21 AM EST, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:


Scares me too much.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:58 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens? Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

Why? (Your friends were doing it, spiritual experience, it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)

Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?

*******
Terence McKenna (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085

Fwiw, psilocybin is classified as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has a high potential for misuse and has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085

Becky
















Re: Veterans Have Become Unlikely Lobbyists in Push to Legalize Psychedelic Drugs - The New York Times

Becky Lindroos
 

It seems like a no-brainer, but what’s the downside? Vets stealing them (or getting extra) and selling them on the street? That’s going on with other, less effective, drugs anyway. Even veterinarians find their drugs being retailed on the street. Psychedelics are not a huge problem so let’s let those who need them have them. (Unless someone can give me a good reason not to.)

Becky


tom waits green grass lyrics - Google Search

Merilee Olson
 


Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Merilee Olson
 


I’m with you on reality being fascinating enough, Magda.  Have never been interested in psychedelics.  I tried pot eons ago but like Bill Clinton(🤣) didn’t/ couldn’t inhale. Have never smoked cigarettes and except for tiny occasional sips of dark beer, don’t like alcohol.  Caffeine doesn’t agree with me (except in chocolate). Did eat a pot-filled oatmeal cookie once, and did NOT like the effects, which kicked in while I was driving…

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 7:08 AM Magda <fotka.kalinowska@...> wrote:
I must say that I find consciousness and reality as is fascinating enough, so I don’t do drugs at all. I might be allergic to marijuana, as it a cousin of ragweed, and I found that out the hard way a couple of times as well, so I don’t do it either.  
Actually, my older son ordered magic mushrooms once when he was still living with us, and we were to try them together - me watching him, and then vice versa.  We had them at home for a few years, he managed to move out and get married, and plans stayed plans :).  He reported trying them not so long ago, but I never did.  

Magda

On Nov 15, 2021, at 9:09 AM, David Markham <davidgmarkham@...> wrote:


The current practice and research is being done with "micro doses". It is different from days of yore when people took much larger doses and went on a "trip" for several hours.

I have some clients who use micro doses like once a month and report it is a big help with their mood and cognitive organization. The problem now days is that the quality control for the drug ingested and strength is not available so one never knows for sure what is being ingested. 

I, myself, have never used them. I see no need.

Here is a great presentation by James Fadiman about the question of micro dosing and what he calls "citizen science."

David Markham

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:55 AM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Yes - I took LSD 2 times.  Long ago and far away.  My late hubby talked me in to it in 1969 (I think).  The second time was yukkie so I quit and I quit smoking pot, too.  Quite honestly I really never did like pot or any “drugs.”   I never did Psilocybin or mescaline/Peyote a hallucinogen that comes from a small cactus.

Becky

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:19 AM, Jeffrey Taylor via groups.io <jatta97=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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> On Monday, November 15, 2021, 12:27:21 AM EST, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:
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> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:58 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
> Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens?  Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
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> Why? (Your friends were doing it,  spiritual experience,  it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)
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> Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?
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> *******
> Terence McKenna  (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and
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> https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085
>
> Fwiw, psilocybin is classified as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has a high potential for misuse and has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
> https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085
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> Becky
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Veterans Have Become Unlikely Lobbyists in Push to Legalize Psychedelic Drugs - The New York Times

Jeanne
 


Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Magda
 

I must say that I find consciousness and reality as is fascinating enough, so I don’t do drugs at all. I might be allergic to marijuana, as it a cousin of ragweed, and I found that out the hard way a couple of times as well, so I don’t do it either.  
Actually, my older son ordered magic mushrooms once when he was still living with us, and we were to try them together - me watching him, and then vice versa.  We had them at home for a few years, he managed to move out and get married, and plans stayed plans :).  He reported trying them not so long ago, but I never did.  

Magda

On Nov 15, 2021, at 9:09 AM, David Markham <davidgmarkham@...> wrote:


The current practice and research is being done with "micro doses". It is different from days of yore when people took much larger doses and went on a "trip" for several hours.

I have some clients who use micro doses like once a month and report it is a big help with their mood and cognitive organization. The problem now days is that the quality control for the drug ingested and strength is not available so one never knows for sure what is being ingested. 

I, myself, have never used them. I see no need.

Here is a great presentation by James Fadiman about the question of micro dosing and what he calls "citizen science."

David Markham

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:55 AM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Yes - I took LSD 2 times.  Long ago and far away.  My late hubby talked me in to it in 1969 (I think).  The second time was yukkie so I quit and I quit smoking pot, too.  Quite honestly I really never did like pot or any “drugs.”   I never did Psilocybin or mescaline/Peyote a hallucinogen that comes from a small cactus.

Becky

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:19 AM, Jeffrey Taylor via groups.io <jatta97=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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> On Monday, November 15, 2021, 12:27:21 AM EST, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:
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> On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:58 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
> Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens?  Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
>
> Why? (Your friends were doing it,  spiritual experience,  it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)
>
> Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?
>
> *******
> Terence McKenna  (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and
>
> https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085
>
> Fwiw, psilocybin is classified as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has a high potential for misuse and has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
> https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085
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Re: EL Chapter 5 Before Roots

Becky Lindroos
 

This sounds like perfect non-academic science writing for me. There’s some “meat” but it’s not got a whole lot of fiber. Otoh, it’s not all fluffy scrambled eggs. It’s descriptive with lots of nice adjectives but facts are piled up on each other. It has to be considered that it’s very near to the opening lines of the chapter and the more nitty-gritty stuff will come later. Nice opening.

Becky

On Nov 16, 2021, at 4:32 AM, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:

From the book - second paragraph of Chapter 5:

"Before plants, land was scorched and desolate. Conditions were extreme. Temperatures fluctuated wildly and landscapes were rocky and dusty. There was nothing that we would recognize as soil. Nutrients were locked up in solid rocks and minerals, and the climate was dry. This isn’t to say that land was completely devoid of life. Crusts made up of photosynthetic bacteria, extremophile algae, and fungi were able to make a living in the open air. But the harsh conditions meant that life on Earth was overwhelmingly an aquatic event. Warm, shallow seas and lagoons teemed with algae and animals. Sea scorpions several meters long ranged the ocean floor. Trilobites plowed silty seabeds using spade-like snouts. Solitary corals started to form reefs. Mollusks thrived.”

How does that strike you for science writing? Too metaphorical or poetic in some way? Too dry? Just right?

How does Sheldrake keep you involved (assuming you are).

Becky







Re: EL: Chapter 5 "Before Roots"

Becky Lindroos
 

I kind of like it but I’m not sure why Sheldrake put it there. I thought it was a love song. Oh well.

Becky

On Nov 16, 2021, at 4:31 AM, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:

Tom Waits / Kathleen Brennan

You’ll never be
Free of me
He’ll make a
tree from me

Don’t say good
Bye to me
Describe the sky
To me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq1PBNuUt0

Any response?

Becky







EL: Chapter 5 - symbiosis and phtosynthesis

Becky Lindroos
 

The intimacy of strangers (Lynn Margolis) is front and center with symbiosis.
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-mycophiles-plea-on-merlin-sheldrakes-entangled-life/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mushroom_at_the_End_of_the_World

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2013.00134/full

How about the chapter as a whole - too much scientific detail, too little, just about right?

Are these new ideas for you?

The efficiency of mycorrhizal exchange is closely related to climate change. Could that be important?

Would you be interested in doing experiments on the results of different fungi and the plants using it? Like the strawberries or the tomatoes or bread grown with different mycorrhizal fungi.
https://sciweb.nybg.org/science2/hcol/mycorrhizae.asp.html
And it’s gone commercial! (There are several companies.)

https://bigfootmyco.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAys2MBhDOARIsAFf1D1eV1QJ3WsXSJxGFYoCIC_e9IiWutdp38sk37Q2rsjurfFcbBKwm8JEaAhGdEALw_wcB

Becky


EL Chapter 5 Before Roots

Becky Lindroos
 

From the book - second paragraph of Chapter 5:

"Before plants, land was scorched and desolate. Conditions were extreme. Temperatures fluctuated wildly and landscapes were rocky and dusty. There was nothing that we would recognize as soil. Nutrients were locked up in solid rocks and minerals, and the climate was dry. This isn’t to say that land was completely devoid of life. Crusts made up of photosynthetic bacteria, extremophile algae, and fungi were able to make a living in the open air. But the harsh conditions meant that life on Earth was overwhelmingly an aquatic event. Warm, shallow seas and lagoons teemed with algae and animals. Sea scorpions several meters long ranged the ocean floor. Trilobites plowed silty seabeds using spade-like snouts. Solitary corals started to form reefs. Mollusks thrived.”

How does that strike you for science writing? Too metaphorical or poetic in some way? Too dry? Just right?

How does Sheldrake keep you involved (assuming you are).

Becky


EL: Chapter 5 "Before Roots"

Becky Lindroos
 

Tom Waits / Kathleen Brennan

You’ll never be
Free of me
He’ll make a
tree from me

Don’t say good
Bye to me
Describe the sky
To me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq1PBNuUt0

Any response?

Becky


Re: Sandy K

Becky Lindroos
 

Cool! I’ve got a cousin no more than a few miles north of the border and I haven’t even gotten to see her. I’ll wave. :-)

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 7:44 PM, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:

By the way, we passed not too far north of you last month, Bekah, on our epic 9000 km road-trip to visit my son in BC. Drove the whole way through Canada so as not to undergo covid border hassles.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 8:26 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Oh how fun! Now you’ll have to have a reunion - Harrisburg might be about half way but I think Montreal might be more fun. - lol!

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:

Sandy, did you get my email? Sandy and I found out through FaceBook that we were at Stanford at the same time. I was 3 years ahead. Small world.






Re: Sandy K

Merilee Olson
 

By the way, we passed not too far north of you last month, Bekah, on our epic 9000 km road-trip to visit my son in BC.  Drove the whole way through Canada so as not to undergo covid border hassles. 

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 8:26 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Oh how fun!   Now you’ll have to have a reunion - Harrisburg might be about half way but I think Montreal might be more fun.  - lol! 

Becky

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:
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> Sandy, did you get my email? Sandy and I found out through FaceBook that we were at Stanford at the same time.  I was 3 years ahead. Small world.
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Re: Sandy K

Becky Lindroos
 

Oh how fun! Now you’ll have to have a reunion - Harrisburg might be about half way but I think Montreal might be more fun. - lol!

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:

Sandy, did you get my email? Sandy and I found out through FaceBook that we were at Stanford at the same time. I was 3 years ahead. Small world.


Sandy K

Merilee Olson
 

Sandy, did you get my email? Sandy and I found out through FaceBook that we were at Stanford at the same time.  I was 3 years ahead. Small world.


Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Carol Mannchen
 

Okay, I drink too much.  Possibly, I am an alcoholic, not sure.  Covid has certainly not helped.  I have never taken any kind of street drug, including pot.  I was up in Nova Scotia last year for 2 1/2 months and still did not take advantage of the opportunity to try pot.  But for pain, I might do it at some point.

A thing happened to my family while I was in college a long time ago that made me afraid of drugs.  My Dad had an incident of mixing a couple of beers with some anti-depressants, and it damn near killed him.  This was back when Librium and Valium were brand new meds.  It was scary and turned me off drugs and experimenting.  I'm not really even very adventurous when it comes to food.

Smoking -- I smoked from 1965-1985, quit after my Mom died.  That was a blessing.

Carol Mannchen

Hermitage, TN
oldlawmom@...
615-310-4504




On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:10 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Yes, I’ve heard the newer psychedelics are less  powerful - except pot.  The street pot these days is stronger.  (I would have no idea.).  I didn’t mention it but the last time I used any kind of recreational type drug was 1980 or ’81 - before my booze sobriety date. 

I heard that today’s LSD is like simple color trips.  What we took back in the day was very powerful and yes, the “trip” lasted for 8 hours or maybe more, 12 or 13 hours. We had “guides” - a friend or two who watched out for us while we were “tripping.”   As I said,  I didn’t care for the effects so after 2 times I quit. No mas. Not until the FDA approves it.  That’s what I said at the time but I’ve never even been tempted in the least. 

I’m listening to that link you sent.  I recognize the name Sandoz for sure. I think that might have been East Coast (?).   We did Owsley’s products which came out of Berkeley. The main types were called “Blue Cheer” and “Orange Marmalade” and other things.   

I guess this is one of those “I did my own own research” things. (Like the Covid mask horse dewormer stuff?) ?? I tried cocaine once or twice (at most) and it only made me stay up so I could drink more.  That was fine. I tried valium one time but it was for anxiety and my bro-in-law pressured me.  I would never fit in an NA meeting.  LOL!   

Indigenous peoples -  like the guy Carlos Castaneda met out there on the desert?  I didn’t care much for those books.  I really have a kind of aversion to most drugs. 

My drugs are prescribed plus aspiring,Tylenol, ibuprofen, calcium and vitamins. 

I think the data we have on most meds is that people have been using them for years - if there’s something wrong with taking Tylenol we’d know by now - and the doctors do know some.

Becky

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:09 AM, David Markham <davidgmarkham@...> wrote:
>
> The current practice and research is being done with "micro doses". It is different from days of yore when people took much larger doses and went on a "trip" for several hours.
>
> I have some clients who use micro doses like once a month and report it is a big help with their mood and cognitive organization. The problem now days is that the quality control for the drug ingested and strength is not available so one never knows for sure what is being ingested.
>
> I, myself, have never used them. I see no need.
>
> Here is a great presentation by James Fadiman about the question of micro dosing and what he calls "citizen science."
>
> David Markham
>
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> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:55 AM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
> Yes - I took LSD 2 times.  Long ago and far away.  My late hubby talked me in to it in 1969 (I think).  The second time was yukkie so I quit and I quit smoking pot, too.  Quite honestly I really never did like pot or any “drugs.”   I never did Psilocybin or mescaline/Peyote a hallucinogen that comes from a small cactus.
>
> Becky
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> > On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:19 AM, Jeffrey Taylor via groups.io <jatta97=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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> > On Monday, November 15, 2021, 12:27:21 AM EST, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:
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> > On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:58 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
> > Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens?  Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
> >
> > Why? (Your friends were doing it,  spiritual experience,  it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)
> >
> > Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?
> >
> > *******
> > Terence McKenna  (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and
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Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Becky Lindroos
 

I’m the same with coffee, Johanna. I used to drink about 3 pots a day but at some point that just slowed down. Now I drink 3 cups maybe and then I go for the decaf. Sleeping is hard enough without adding stimulants.

Sugar can be a problem for some people.

There are lots of things to become addicted to - sex and gambling, video games. Of the chemical variety I found these:

Tobacco (Nicotine) – Over 40 Million
Alcohol – 18 Million
Marijuana – 4.2 Million
Painkillers – 1.8 Million
Cocaine – 821,000
Heroin – 426,000
Benzodiazepines – 400,000
Stimulants – 329,000
Inhalants – 140,000
Sedatives (Barbiturates) – 78,000
https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/10-most-common-addictions/

Back in the day we didn’t think that marijuana was addictive but I understand the stuff they sell these days is so powerful it probably is. I have a friend who is very hooked on pot but says she isn’t addicted because you can’t be. She’s a bit older than I am - she’s going by old standards.

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 10:19 AM, johannakurz <johannakurz@...> wrote:

I never took Magic Mushroom but my brother tried it in Bali. It must have been quite an experience and it was offered in a restaurant ...in an omlette.
I took LSD when I was young...needed someone who guarded me because I always wanted to lay down on the street and watch the oncoming cars...actually the lights fascinated me. I quit after I experienced a horror trip. Wanted to throw myself down a high rising building. When on LSD I wrote a lot of poetry. It was really good but it always dealt with death.
I also smoked pot....only with other people and because of fun....I loved to philosophize when I was stoned.
I quit taking it when I got pregnant also wuut drinking alcohol. 20 years ago I smoked some grass again but the pulse went up and I felt awful....so never again.
I hardly drink anything...occasionally a beer or a glas of wine.
I also quit smoking cigarettes...was a chain smoker....and quit drinking coffee....I was addicted to it..I drank 3 pots a day.
Now I am trying to stop with sugar...my last addiction...and probably with reading and books...lol

Johanna



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Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens? Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

Why? (Your friends were doing it, spiritual experience, it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)

Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?

*******
Terence McKenna (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085

Fwiw, psilocybin is classified as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has a high potential for misuse and has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085

Becky











Re: Chapter 4 - Mycelial Minds

Becky Lindroos
 

Yes, I’ve heard the newer psychedelics are less powerful - except pot. The street pot these days is stronger. (I would have no idea.). I didn’t mention it but the last time I used any kind of recreational type drug was 1980 or ’81 - before my booze sobriety date.

I heard that today’s LSD is like simple color trips. What we took back in the day was very powerful and yes, the “trip” lasted for 8 hours or maybe more, 12 or 13 hours. We had “guides” - a friend or two who watched out for us while we were “tripping.” As I said, I didn’t care for the effects so after 2 times I quit. No mas. Not until the FDA approves it. That’s what I said at the time but I’ve never even been tempted in the least.

I’m listening to that link you sent. I recognize the name Sandoz for sure. I think that might have been East Coast (?). We did Owsley’s products which came out of Berkeley. The main types were called “Blue Cheer” and “Orange Marmalade” and other things.

I guess this is one of those “I did my own own research” things. (Like the Covid mask horse dewormer stuff?) ?? I tried cocaine once or twice (at most) and it only made me stay up so I could drink more. That was fine. I tried valium one time but it was for anxiety and my bro-in-law pressured me. I would never fit in an NA meeting. LOL!

Indigenous peoples - like the guy Carlos Castaneda met out there on the desert? I didn’t care much for those books. I really have a kind of aversion to most drugs.

My drugs are prescribed plus aspiring,Tylenol, ibuprofen, calcium and vitamins.

I think the data we have on most meds is that people have been using them for years - if there’s something wrong with taking Tylenol we’d know by now - and the doctors do know some.

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:09 AM, David Markham <davidgmarkham@...> wrote:

The current practice and research is being done with "micro doses". It is different from days of yore when people took much larger doses and went on a "trip" for several hours.

I have some clients who use micro doses like once a month and report it is a big help with their mood and cognitive organization. The problem now days is that the quality control for the drug ingested and strength is not available so one never knows for sure what is being ingested.

I, myself, have never used them. I see no need.

Here is a great presentation by James Fadiman about the question of micro dosing and what he calls "citizen science."

David Markham


On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:55 AM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Yes - I took LSD 2 times. Long ago and far away. My late hubby talked me in to it in 1969 (I think). The second time was yukkie so I quit and I quit smoking pot, too. Quite honestly I really never did like pot or any “drugs.” I never did Psilocybin or mescaline/Peyote a hallucinogen that comes from a small cactus.

Becky

On Nov 15, 2021, at 1:19 AM, Jeffrey Taylor via groups.io <jatta97@...> wrote:



On Monday, November 15, 2021, 12:27:21 AM EST, Merilee Olson <merilee.olson@...> wrote:


Scares me too much.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:58 PM Becky Lindroos <bekah0176@...> wrote:
Have you ever experimented with hallucinogens? Magic Mushrooms (Psilocybin, LSD or ???) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

Why? (Your friends were doing it, spiritual experience, it sounded fun, health reasons, part of a scientific study, other?)

Any opinions on if they might be beneficial to individuals with problems?

*******
Terence McKenna (and Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary and

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085

Fwiw, psilocybin is classified as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has a high potential for misuse and has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-magic-mushrooms-22085

Becky















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