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Welcome

john valachovic
 

Welcome everyone!

Some basic rules:

1. Feel free to post photos, but please police yourselves on how much
memory you take up.

2. Feel free to add links, the first one is my other Yahoo group for
the Albany Main.

3. Feel free to post other files, but again police yourselves on your
use of memory.

4. Feel free to post items for sale or that you are looking for.

5. Please watch your lanquage and tempers, remember we are all
friends.

6. Feel free to use this as a blog, write your own reviews, features
anything else you want.

7. We can set up polls to get some "market" research done in our
group.

8. I need to figure out how to use it, but there is a calendar
function also.

Enjoy!

Any question please contact me. NO IM'S DURING WORK HOURS PLEASE, MY
BOSSES WILL FREAK!!!!!

John


Re: Welcome

nuddffoeg
 

Greetings to John and the rest of the group members! I am Mark from
Colonie, and I am looking forward to learning a lot more about N-trak
and model railroading.

In my lifetime I have built (but never completed) one N scale layout.

That's it.

Period.

Space for a layout has always been an issue; and now that I have the
space, it is a very wet space, so we have been working for six years
to reduce the moisture in our basement.

For years I have waited for the opportunity to build the "Gulf Summit
Lines/Susquehanna Valley Railway" from the Atlas 'Nine N Scale
Railroads' book. Maybe one of these days...

My latest 'bug' has been to reproduce the Hogwarts Express (from the
Harry Potter series) in N scale. I'd love to put this together in
N-trak modules, from King's Cross Station to Hogsmead, including the
Glenfinnan Viaduct. This will likely require four or five separate
modules, and the rest of my life to complete! Of course, one of the
main challenges is that N-trak requires two mainlines and one branch
line, but the Hogwarts Express route was predominantly on a single
track. This is where picking the brains of those who have been
involved in N-trak for many years comes into play - you folks likely
know some tricks that I will never come up with on my own!

Well, that's my story. I'm sure this forum will be a lot of fun and
very informative for me.

--- In AlbanyNTRAK@..., "albanymain" <albanymain@...> wrote:

Welcome everyone!

Some basic rules:

1. Feel free to post photos, but please police yourselves on how much
memory you take up.

2. Feel free to add links, the first one is my other Yahoo group for
the Albany Main.

3. Feel free to post other files, but again police yourselves on your
use of memory.

4. Feel free to post items for sale or that you are looking for.

5. Please watch your lanquage and tempers, remember we are all
friends.

6. Feel free to use this as a blog, write your own reviews, features
anything else you want.

7. We can set up polls to get some "market" research done in our
group.

8. I need to figure out how to use it, but there is a calendar
function also.

Enjoy!

Any question please contact me. NO IM'S DURING WORK HOURS PLEASE, MY
BOSSES WILL FREAK!!!!!

John


welcome Mark from Colonie

mikelacas <lacasse@...>
 

Hi Mark, Mike here, one of the best things about N-Trak is you can
model anything you wish. The scene you invision of Hogwarth's express
sounds interesting. Within N-Trak there are several variations of
specs you can adopt. If a long scene with single track is what you are
interested in there is a module type called One-Trak which sounds like
just what you need. Hey John! can you link us to N-Trak.org? there you
can find the specs for One-Trak along with all the other specs. I also
recommend you get the N-Trak newsletter so you can become better
informed as to what is. Mike


Moderator

john valachovic
 

Geoff is now also a moderator of the group. If someone has a new
prospect to invite to the group, you can send the email address to
Geoff or I


Bend Track Organization and their long URL

nycrr8
 

John,

Thanks for setting this up this Y! Group.

Hi John and/or Geoff,

May I suggest adding the following link to our links page?

http://home.alltel.net/ah50902/index.htm

That rather long url is the home page for Bend Track.

Since a number of us have Bend Track modules and adapters for Bend to
N Trak, I think that the Bend Track web site would be a good one to
add. It has Bend Track specifications and some photos of Bend
Track.

Geoff, I don't know if you have pics of some of the older shows, but
it may be worth sending in some pics of the Bend Track end loops
(with adapters). They may add us to their website.

Regards,

John Henry


Posting Links

john valachovic
 

I added the Bendtrak link, thanks. I think you guys can add links
directly, please keep them on topic, but feel free to add. Geoff, when
you get a chance could you please add the three websites?


Re: welcome Mark from Colonie

nuddffoeg
 

Thanks for the advice Mike. I used to receive the N-Trak Newsletter,
but that was MANY years ago. However, I did go to the N-Trak site and
subscribe to the newsletter, as well as ordering the oNeTrak booklet.

As is typically the case, the layout I am envisioning in my head is
becoming quite involved. I've started a layout plan w/ the Atlas
software - a slow process to be sure! I also have sketched out a
rough module plan for the whole thing which includes two transition
modules from standard N-Trak leading to and from a kind of peninsula
that contains the modules for the Kings Cross station, the Glenfinnan
Viaduct, and, of course, Hogsmead and Hogwarts. I've even sketched in
a small turntable and engine shed layout for storing the Hogwarts
Express during idle times. The Kings Cross section will contain
several tracks that will loop back around into the standard N-Trak
modules, thus introducing a passenger line option for other routes.
I'm also thinking of running a non-Hogwarts Express line all the way
around the peninsula to accommodate a secondary route through the scenery.

It is likely to take me two and a half lifetimes to get this all put
together! However, if the finished product is even half as nice as
what I am imagining, it will sure be a crowd pleaser. I already have
a scale model of the Weasley's bewitched Ford Anglia to place in the
layout, and plan to 'bash' a triple-decker Knight Bus for the London
scene.

Now on to some more practical matters. I read in one of the N-trak
sites I found that you can create your modules using lightweight
styrofoam rather than plywood and plaster for the tabletop and scenery
contours. Has anyone ever attempted this? How well does it hold up?
And what are the potential drawbacks of this manner of construction?
Lightweight is desirable, but if the module only lasts for one or two
shows, it would be a waste. Also, I am having a devil of a time
figuring out my track dimensions in the Atlas software. Using
standard N scale track lengths, I can't see how you can create modules
in two foot increments, since the standard track sections are in 5", 2
1/2", etc. However, I see that the N-Trak site sells 6 1/2" connector
sections - this means that the module trackage would start 3 1/4" in
from each edge. That leaves 41 1/2" of trackage on a four foot module
(assuming straight runs), which still doesn't accommodate standard
track lengths. What am I missing? Is it necessary to cut your track
sections to make them fit?

You can tell I'm a newbie, can't you?

OK - enough of this book. Thanks in advance for your comments and
suggestions!
MJA

--- In AlbanyNTRAK@..., "mikelacas" <lacasse@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, Mike here, one of the best things about N-Trak is you can
model anything you wish. The scene you invision of Hogwarth's express
sounds interesting. Within N-Trak there are several variations of
specs you can adopt. If a long scene with single track is what you are
interested in there is a module type called One-Trak which sounds like
just what you need. Hey John! can you link us to N-Trak.org? there you
can find the specs for One-Trak along with all the other specs. I also
recommend you get the N-Trak newsletter so you can become better
informed as to what is. Mike


Corner module construction

john valachovic
 

Doug and I are discussing a schedule to construct the modules. We
should start getting an idea of what else is needed to construct the
modules beside lumber and members should start getting together to
divvie up the labor or one person (not me) could get everything, either
way we need to total up the complete costs and then figure out how much
everyone needs to contribute.

Also we need to reach a consensus on track configuration, I would
assume everyone wants orange, red, yellow and blue. Do we want to
include optional blue? I would assume we will continue to use cinch
jones connectors or do we want to use power pole and make some power
pole to cinch jones adapters? Also give some thought to the idea of
scenery and structures. The cast resin buildings sold at the shows are
nicely done, easily painted and affordable.


Re: Corner module construction

eleser2002 <leser8@...>
 

I like the orange, red, yellow and blue for the fact that we can have
a small double dog bone layout if the end loops are avelable like we
had in Fishkill.
Is the mountian division being considered?
I have power poles and will be converting my modules over to them. The
firt conversons will be my reversable corners, adapters will be made
from the cinch jones connectors removed.
I have no opnion on the optional blue line.

--- In AlbanyNTRAK@..., "albanymain" <albanymain@...> wrote:

Doug and I are discussing a schedule to construct the modules. We
should start getting an idea of what else is needed to construct the
modules beside lumber and members should start getting together to
divvie up the labor or one person (not me) could get everything, either
way we need to total up the complete costs and then figure out how much
everyone needs to contribute.

Also we need to reach a consensus on track configuration, I would
assume everyone wants orange, red, yellow and blue. Do we want to
include optional blue? I would assume we will continue to use cinch
jones connectors or do we want to use power pole and make some power
pole to cinch jones adapters? Also give some thought to the idea of
scenery and structures. The cast resin buildings sold at the shows are
nicely done, easily painted and affordable.


New corners

Joyce <tftr1@...>
 

Hi, all.
As for new corners, I feel the four main lines are a "must have". The mountain division would be a nice addition, as there are a couple of members who would want it and it would give us the opportunity to make the scenery a little more "3-D".

As far as structures go, I'd like to recycle the farm scene on the 4' corner if at all possible as it's a nice scene. I also have an Atlas station kit with platforms. If I recall correctly, John. V. gave these to me a few years back for use on a module. That would take care of scenes for two corners. I'm sure I also have some other structures I can spare.

I have enough scrap syrofoam to probably cover the scenery for a corner or two. In addition, I've got a couple of boxes of old trees I got at the GTE years ago. A little work with glue and ground foam..


Brian Hilgenberg


Re: Corner module construction

nycrr8
 

I think that Ed's suggestion for the mountain division
is an excellent one.

I realize that we have mixed feelings about the
mountain division, but since there are a few members
using it (not me, at least for now), by including the
mountain division on club corners, that would permit
having the mountain division at least stretch along a
side or two at those shows where members like Ed,
Geoff, Neil or Mike bring modules with the mountain
divsion. If no one else brings mountain division
modules, the corners with mounttain division would
help break up scenes if nothing else.

We should definitely stick to the "four track
mainline" look of the stadard blue, yellow, red and
orange, since we do use the double dog loop approach
at least once or twice a year. I hope to be "back in
the game" with a bend track end loop by Kingston 2007
or Poughkeepsie 2008.

Regards,

John Henry

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Re: Corner module construction

leser8@...
 

With the mountian division there is a possability of running DCC with out interfering with the blue, yellow, red and orange.
  Just food for thought.
                                 Ed
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nycrr8@...
To: AlbanyNTRAK@...
Sent: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [AlbanyNTRAK] Re: Corner module construction

I think that Ed's suggestion for the mountain division
is an excellent one.

I realize that we have mixed feelings about the
mountain division, but since there are a few members
using it (not me, at least for now), by including the
mountain division on club corners, that would permit
having the mountain division at least stretch along a
side or two at those shows where members like Ed,
Geoff, Neil or Mike bring modules with the mountain
divsion. If no one else brings mountain division
modules, the corners with mounttain division would
help break up scenes if nothing else.

We should definitely stick to the "four track
mainline" look of the stadard blue, yellow, red and
orange, since we do use the double dog loop approach
at least once or twice a year. I hope to be "back in
the game" with a bend track end loop by Kingston 2007
or Poughkeepsie 2008.

Regards,

John Henry

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Corner modules

Doug Dederick
 

Hi,

I hope everyone had a nice weekend. John and I drove out to Syracuse
to the train show and had a great day. We were able to check out a
few 3 foot corners other clubs had at the show. We also sent up a
date for John and I to start contstruction. We will be fronting the
money for the framing materials. We were also looking for one or two
volunters to purchase the track bed, track, and wiring for the mods.
At the January meeting we will tally all the costs and divide it among
the group.

We also talked about making the corner modules capable of being a
junction mod. This would be on the orange line. This would give us a
great deal of flexibility on layouts.

Please give us your thoughts on this.

Doug


Re: corner modules

Joyce <tftr1@...>
 

Doug,
I'll get the track & wire. I picked up five pieces of flex track and cork roadbed at J.P.'s today, and have some speaker wire. Just to confirm how much I'll need to buy, are we making two modules?

Brian Hilgenberg

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Posted by: "ddederic" ddederic@... ddederic
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:28 pm (PST)

Hi,

I hope everyone had a nice weekend. John and I drove out to Syracuse
to the train show and had a great day. We were able to check out a
few 3 foot corners other clubs had at the show. We also sent up a
date for John and I to start contstruction. We will be fronting the
money for the framing materials. We were also looking for one or two
volunters to purchase the track bed, track, and wiring for the mods.
At the January meeting we will tally all the costs and divide it among
the group.

We also talked about making the corner modules capable of being a
junction mod. This would be on the orange line. This would give us a
great deal of flexibility on layouts.

Please give us your thoughts on this.

Doug




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Re: corner modules

Doug Dederick
 

Brain Thank you for helping out and yes we are building two. We may also need 4 rights and 4 left turnouts depending on the group decision on transition capability. Please keep all receipts and bring them to the meeting in Jan. Thanks again

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: [AlbanyNTRAK] Re: corner modules


Doug,
I'll get the track & wire. I picked up five
pieces of flex track and cork roadbed at J.P.'s
today, and have some speaker wire. Just to
confirm how much I'll need to buy, are we making
two modules?

Brian Hilgenberg

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To: <AlbanyNTRAK@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:32 AM
Subject: [AlbanyNTRAK] Digest Number 8


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Posted by: "ddederic" ddederic@...
ddederic
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:28 pm (PST)

Hi,

I hope everyone had a nice weekend. John and I
drove out to Syracuse
to the train show and had a great day. We were
able to check out a
few 3 foot corners other clubs had at the show.
We also sent up a
date for John and I to start contstruction. We
will be fronting the
money for the framing materials. We were also
looking for one or two
volunters to purchase the track bed, track, and
wiring for the mods.
At the January meeting we will tally all the
costs and divide it among
the group.

We also talked about making the corner modules
capable of being a
junction mod. This would be on the orange line.
This would give us a
great deal of flexibility on layouts.

Please give us your thoughts on this.

Doug




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supplies for mods

Doug Dederick
 

Brain H. has offered to pick up track and wiring for the corner mods.
Thanks Brain. We still need to hear from the group on making the
corner mods capable of being transition corners. Thanks everyone

Doug and John


correction

Doug Dederick
 

I called them trainsision mods but I ment juction mods it's been a
long day! Thanks Doug


Re: corner modules

nycrr8
 

Doug,

At Poughkeepsie and Kingston (and maybe other shows, we sometimes ran
a "two track" branch line off one of Mike Lacasse's corner/junction
modules.

At the end of the "two track" branch line was a Bend Track end loop
(two track main line). Then we had a Bend Track to N Trak adapter
which connects Red and Orange lines to the front of the Bend Track
module and Yellow and Blue lines to the back of the Bend Track module
(s). Then there were one or several N Trak modules, all with
orange. This connected to the junction module, which connected the
branch to the main layout and also served as a corner module for the
rectangular main layout.

The junction was configured so that the Orange line ran completely
into the branch line (all the time). Red line had two turnouts on
the junction so that Red could be switched into (and out of) the
branch line, or left to continue around the main layout without going
into the branch line. This allowed for operating flexibility in the
branch line.

That configuration has served us well and should work for future Bend
Track branch lines. I suppose it would also work with a One Track
branch line, should we ever have one. Obviously it would not work
for a tradional rectangular layout with NO branch lines.

Regards,

John Henry

--- In AlbanyNTRAK@..., "Doug Dederick" <ddederic@...>
wrote:

Brain Thank you for helping out and yes we are building two. We
may also
need 4 rights and 4 left turnouts depending on the group decision
on
transition capability. Please keep all receipts and bring them to
the
meeting in Jan. Thanks again
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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: [AlbanyNTRAK] Re: corner modules


Doug,
I'll get the track & wire. I picked up five
pieces of flex track and cork roadbed at J.P.'s
today, and have some speaker wire. Just to
confirm how much I'll need to buy, are we making
two modules?

Brian Hilgenberg

----- Original Message -----
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To: <AlbanyNTRAK@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 5:32 AM
Subject: [AlbanyNTRAK] Digest Number 8


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ddederic
Date: Mon Nov 6, 2006 6:28 pm (PST)

Hi,

I hope everyone had a nice weekend. John and I
drove out to Syracuse
to the train show and had a great day. We were
able to check out a
few 3 foot corners other clubs had at the show.
We also sent up a
date for John and I to start contstruction. We
will be fronting the
money for the framing materials. We were also
looking for one or two
volunters to purchase the track bed, track, and
wiring for the mods.
At the January meeting we will tally all the
costs and divide it among
the group.

We also talked about making the corner modules
capable of being a
junction mod. This would be on the orange line.
This would give us a
great deal of flexibility on layouts.

Please give us your thoughts on this.

Doug




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Re: corner modules

nuddffoeg <nuddffoeg@...>
 

My vote would be to NOT make the corners into junctions. Having them
be junctions does two things - it makes them not fit the N-Trak
standard for track radius, and (from what I read in other discussions)
it makes them not usable for our normal 4-track around layouts.

It sounds like others are taking care of buying things. I'll pitch in
funds now or in January.

As for the wiring, should we re-use the wires on the existing corners?

And what will we do with the old 4' corners?


T-Trak adapter module

nuddffoeg <nuddffoeg@...>
 

I have nearly finished an adapter module that will let us go from the
outer main to T-Trak modules forming a "T" with the main N-Trak
layout. My plan is that it will be reversible, so the T-Trak modules
can go inside or outside the main layout.

This does several things.

It makes everything one big layout.

It keeps my son somewhat involved and interested, since he has a
T-Trak module but not an N-Trak module.

It will allow us to use the T-Trak modules as a setup area, which will
be useful until Mike Lacasse gets off the weekend shift and comes back
with his yard modules.

It may hinder the use of the outer main for DCC from an operational
standpoint, although I don't think there is anything electrical that
will be a problem.

I plan to put it into the Kingston layout this Sunday (the paint and
glue should be dry!) as just a 2' module, and I'll try connecting
T-Trak modules at the PCC show in a week and a half.

One challenge will be to bring the "banquet" table height up to a
level where the T-Trak modules can connect to the N-Trak 40" layout
height.

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