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Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932

Curt Heckert
 

 Thanks Bob,

That would explain the dates. Do you know what the 11-12 means. It's on both sides of the cover.

From: aerophilately@... [mailto:aerophilately@...] On Behalf Of curtheckert@...
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 4:47 a.m.
To: aerophilately@...
Subject: [aerophilately] RE: Help with cover 11/12/1932

 

 

Thanks for that info, Philip. 

 

The dates on the cover are pretty interesting, based on the Wikipedia article. The post mark on the cover has the same dates (11-12-1932) but on the front it is stamped New York - Genova, and on the back, the same date but it is Genova - New York.

 

That's some speedy ocean liner :)

 

Can anyone decipher the signatures on the cover?

 

Curt

 

P.S. I thought I had posted this earlier, but when it did not show in the forum, I posted it again. So, I apologize for any double posts.



---In aerophilately@..., <ba121748111747-airmail@...> wrote:

Hello Curt,

Your scans worked fine.

I think this is a shipping (rather than airmail) cover. It looks like it has been carried on the maiden voyage of the Italian Line SS "Rex" from Genoa to New York in September 1932.

There's an interesting history of the ship on Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Rex

Philip Swan
near Heathrow Airport, London
____________________________________________________________________

--- In aerophilately@..., <curtheckert@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?
>
> The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?
>
> Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?
>
> Thanks,
> Curt
>


Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932

Bob Watson
 

Curt

I believe the dates are 27-IX-32 and 19-X-32, that is September 27, 1932 [Genoa-New York] and October 19, 1932 [New York-Genoa]. Does that help spread the dates out a bit? The cover looks like the return leg to Italy.

Bob

 

From: aerophilately@... [mailto:aerophilately@...] On Behalf Of curtheckert@...
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2013 4:47 a.m.
To: aerophilately@...
Subject: [aerophilately] RE: Help with cover 11/12/1932

 

 

Thanks for that info, Philip. 

 

The dates on the cover are pretty interesting, based on the Wikipedia article. The post mark on the cover has the same dates (11-12-1932) but on the front it is stamped New York - Genova, and on the back, the same date but it is Genova - New York.

 

That's some speedy ocean liner :)

 

Can anyone decipher the signatures on the cover?

 

Curt

 

P.S. I thought I had posted this earlier, but when it did not show in the forum, I posted it again. So, I apologize for any double posts.



---In aerophilately@..., <ba121748111747-airmail@...> wrote:

Hello Curt,

Your scans worked fine.

I think this is a shipping (rather than airmail) cover. It looks like it has been carried on the maiden voyage of the Italian Line SS "Rex" from Genoa to New York in September 1932.

There's an interesting history of the ship on Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Rex

Philip Swan
near Heathrow Airport, London
____________________________________________________________________

--- In aerophilately@..., <curtheckert@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?
>
> The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?
>
> Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?
>
> Thanks,
> Curt
>


Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932

Curt Heckert
 

Thanks for that info, Philip. 

 

The dates on the cover are pretty interesting, based on the Wikipedia article. The post mark on the cover has the same dates (11-12-1932) but on the front it is stamped New York - Genova, and on the back, the same date but it is Genova - New York.

 

That's some speedy ocean liner :)

 

Can anyone decipher the signatures on the cover?

 

Curt

 

P.S. I thought I had posted this earlier, but when it did not show in the forum, I posted it again. So, I apologize for any double posts.

--- In aerophilately@..., <curtheckert@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?
>
> The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?
>
> Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?
>
> Thanks,
> Curt
>


Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932

Curt Heckert
 

 Thanks Phillip,

 

I guess it is not a first flight at all then. I don't quite understand the post marks. On the front of the cover the date is 11-12-1932 and it says New York - Genova. On that back the postmark is 11-12-1932 and Genova - New York. That's a pretty speedy ship to make that trip in less than a day lol.

 

Can anyone explain the postmarks on the cover to me?

 

Curt

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:54 PM, <curtheckert@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from curtheckert@... included below]

Hi,

I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?

 

The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?

 

Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?

 

Thanks,

Curt

 

 



Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932

Curt Heckert
 

Thanks for the assistance Ken.

 

As was posted earlier, it may not have been a first flight at all, but a first voyage.

 

But your friend might have information about that as well and I thank you and your friend for any info you can find.

 

Curt 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:54 PM, <curtheckert@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from curtheckert@... included below]

Hi,

I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?

 

The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?

 

Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?

 

Thanks,

Curt

 

 



Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932 [1 Attachment]

Ken
 

It means First Trip, and was between New York and Genoa, but for some reason, it isn't listed in the American Air Mail Catalogue Trans Oceanic Record Flights section.

I will check with an Italian aerophilatelist I know and post the details when I get them.

Ken Sanford


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:54 PM, <curtheckert@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from curtheckert@... included below]

Hi,

I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?

 

The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?

 

Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?

 

Thanks,

Curt

 

 



Re: Help with cover 11/12/1932

baemp18
 

Hello Curt,

Your scans worked fine.

I think this is a shipping (rather than airmail) cover. It looks like it has been carried on the maiden voyage of the Italian Line SS "Rex" from Genoa to New York in September 1932.

There's an interesting history of the ship on Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Rex

Philip Swan
near Heathrow Airport, London
____________________________________________________________________

--- In aerophilately@..., <curtheckert@...> wrote:

Hi,
I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?

The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?

Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?

Thanks,
Curt


Help with cover 11/12/1932

Curt Heckert
 

Hi,

I came across this cover and can't seem to find any information about it. Part of my problem is that I don't speak Italian and any info I find that might be related to this cover is in Italian. I am guessing Primo Viaggio might be First Flight or Voyage?

 

The cover has at least one signature (Capt. someone) and then what appears to be a second signature on the upper left . Can anyone provide any information?

 

Also, am I attaching the scans correctly?

 

Thanks,

Curt

 

 


Paraguay and CGA

GreyOldDave
 

We had a discussion about the CGA operations in Paraguay in the late 1920s. Thanks to several of you I found some covers at an auction and have that little part of my exhibit working. Very much appreciate the assistance!!
 
David Crotty


PAA operations during the war

GreyOldDave
 

Hello all,
I have placed all of the PAA trip summaries (with permission from U.Miami Libraries) that I have on our Aerophilately site. I wish I could say all of them but some are missing, especially for the summer of 1941. Some of the 1940 sheets are badly faded. When I get the chance I will search the NY Times archives to get what is available for the missing data for 1940 and 1941.
I have a 400 page book in the works that I hope to have ready for publishing within the next week. Will keep you posted.
I hope that we can build a great site with data like this for each of our interests.
 
David Crotty


Re: New file uploaded to aerophilately

GreyOldDave
 

My Spanish is rusty but it seems that in 1927 there were some trips between Sardinia and Paraguay. There is a cover that went to England at that time in the auction. Hmmm, do I have it right that Elmas is the European end and that is in Sardinia. It also seems that acceptance between Paraguay and Argentina did not happen until 1929. Same with to Uruguay? There are covers like that in the auction too. 

 
David Crotty


From: Ken Sanford
To: aerophilately@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [aerophilately] New file uploaded to aerophilately

 
Also see Paraguay, part 2.
 
Ken Sanford


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Re: New file uploaded to aerophilately

Ken
 

Also see Paraguay, part 2.
 
Ken Sanford


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Re: Army Emergency Flights in 1934

Lee Downer
 

Thanks Jim and Ken. 

My interest is primarily in the Army pilots that flew those air mail flights in 1934.  Many of them went on to become the wartime leaders of the Army Air Corps in WWII.  One of Ken's crash covers is signed, but I managed to find another copy some time back, also signed.  

The usual group of aerophilatelists that created the first flight covers we collect today were all over these Army flights, using the same process, to get mail on the inaugural flights.  Few of these covers have cachets which would help identify a collectible item, helping to explain the relative scarcity.

APO/FPO mail is huge area of collecting.  I have seen some dealers at shows that specialize, but they usually don't have first flight material.

Thanks, Lee



Sent from my iPad

On Aug 26, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "jim72051" <jamesamackay@...> wrote:

 


I don't have emergency flights but I do stash away on cover examples of just about everything worldwide including US regular use military covers. A quick look in my unorganized boxes resulted in the four airmail examples I just posted in my album.

Jim


Re: Paragua Aeopostale

Ken
 

Gentlemen,
 
Tomorrow I will be posting some extracts from "Historia Postal Del Correo Aereo Del Paraguay" about the early airmail services to Argentina, Brasil & Europe in the documents section of this forum.
 
Ken Sanford


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM, DEC <decrotty@...> wrote:
 

It was much more interesting with "dude".

 
David Crotty


From: Carlos Gustavo <carloscotlier@...>
To: aerophilately@...
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 3:27 PM

Subject: [aerophilately] Re: Paragua Aeopostale

 

Instead of the word dude should say doubt.

--- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
>
> Hi David!
> The story starts again!
> I found at the auction web page:
> http://www.airmails.co.uk
> A cover from Paraguay to England dated on 29 February 1929.
> The cover with no dude has gone by Air from Asuncion to London because it has a British arrival postmark on 11 March 29 at 10 AM.
> Here it is the auctioneer advertisement:
>
> Lot 640 Paraguay to England Description: First acceptance of mail for England, Asuncion to London, bs 11/3, for carriage on the inaugural Compagnie Aeroposta Argentina Asuncion-Toulouse service, registered (label) cover franked $14.70 ($2.50 postage, $2.00 regn, $10.20 airmail), violet "Via Aerea" cachet, flown on the new CGA overseas service from Paraguay to Argentina then "accelerated" by the "plane-ship-plane route via the South Atlantic, arriving in Toulouse on 9th March. Scarce item in fine condition.
>
> Then………… we must admit that there are covers since Paraguay to Europe on 1929!
> Legal or illegal transportation of mail by Aeropostale is not now the case.
> Fair play! I must admit the jury was right.
> As I wrote at the beginning of my note:
>
> About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an
> expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
>
> We say in Spanish "Shoemaker to your shoes".
> I will keep researching about Argentine Air Mail 1924-1945.!!
> Maybe you are interested in buying this cover for your collection if so good luck at the auction.(ends on September 12th)
> Kind regards from Argentina.
> Carlos Cotlier.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In aerophilately@..., "Ken" wrote:
> >
> > Dear Carlos,
> >
> > I found my copy of "Historia Postal Del Correo Aereo Del Paraguay" and would be glad to scan the pages covering the early airmail services. Please advise what year I should go up to, and what is your email address.
> >
> > Ken Sanford
> > kaerophil@
> >
> > --- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David!
> > > About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
> > > The first stages of the Paraguay Air Mail Postal History have a strong relation with the Argentine Mail and the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima
> > > Lets see why it is almost impossible a "official" air mail cover in the late 1920´s from Asuncion to Europe:
> > > (We must understand as "official" as a cover that went with permission of both post offices Paraguay and Argentina or at least one of them.)
> > > 1- The first air mail services from Paraguay started with a leg to Buenos Aires - Asuncion and from Asuncion to Buenos Aires this was started by the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima susidiarie of Conpagnie Générale Aéropostale (C.G.A.). I have no information of any other Air Company or air leg before.(1)(2)(3)( 4)Not too Davies,Bousquet, Ravignani,.Banning)
> > > 2- "Companie Générale Aéropostale, operating as Aéropostale. In compliance with local laws, the operating subsidiaries Aeroposta Argentina………"(4).
> > > 3- Test fights started on April 3, 1928 and October 31, 1928.(2)
> > > 4- On September 14,1928 an contract between Aeroposta Argentina (Mr Vicente Almandos Almonacid) and the Paraguayan Mail GPO was signed to carry mail from Asuncion to Buenos Aires, but the Argentine General Post Office had not authorized yet the transportation of any mail, so if any cover or mail was sent to Europe or any other country was under responsibility of Aeroposta Argentina but not as an official mail.
> > > 5- I never saw a Paraguayan cover to Europe or any other country with a postmak or "transit" by the Argentina GPO in 1928-29 did any one saw one?
> > > 6- Dr Victor Bousquet say in his excellent book, that any cover or postal mail transported from Buenos Aires (To Paraguay) since 1º of January,1929 and in latter fights should be considered as "experimental air mail" ( in Spanish "ensayos de correo aereo")in a few words he says that any cover from Argentina to Paraguay and logically from Paraguay to Argentina (if they do exist) were transported "illegally" by Aeroposta.(Pag 70).
> > > 7- The Argentinian Government authorized on February 27, 1929 to Aeroposta SA to carry mail from and to Argentina and between the stops to Asuncion and to bring Paraguayan mail to neighboring countries only.
> > > 8- This service (Aeroposta) was interrupted for economical reasons on April 17, 1931.
> > > 9- "Paraguay was to be without air service for six years" (1) Pag 507.
> > > 10- "Pan American Airways was authorized to serve Asuncion by the Decree of June 21, 1937, and started a service in December 1937, flying Lock heed Electras from Sao Pulo, via Curitiba and Iguazu Falls, and to Buenos Aires via Monte Caseros" (1) But this is part of another story………
> > > 11- Well, about what the Judge told you I can tell you Injustice it do exist!!
> > > 12- My cogratulations for your excellent article at the Airpost Journal Dec 2012 about Pan American Airways 1942. Confidential Timetables.
> > > Hope you become vice-president of our AAMS I am sure you will do an excellent wok for the AAMS.
> > > Kind regards to you and all the people of the forum.
> > > Carlos Cotlier.
> > >
> > > Bibliography.
> > > (1) R.E.G. Davies –Airlines of Latin America –Since 1919 .Chapter 25 Pag 507.
> > > (2) A.V. Bousquet. La Aeroposta Argentina y el Correo Aereo – Chapter 5 Pgs 65 to 109.
> > > (3) M. E. Ravignani. La Linea . Pgs 22 to 24.
> > > (4) G. Banning -Airlines of Pan American Since 1927 .Pag 225.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In aerophilately@..., DEC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > We have enough people to get rolling now.
> > > > As some of you may know I have an exhibit of transAtlantic airmail between South America and Europe. It does happen that the early French airline Aeropostal started service to Paraguay in about 1928 or so and due to money problems stopped that in about a year or so. Air France resumed service to Paraguay in maybe 1933. My exhibit shows examples of the later service but not for the early. Some silly judge noticed that an commented that I should have something to show that early service. I think there might be 10 covers in the world for that short period of service.
> > > >
> > > > So anyway, if anyone knows where such an airmail cover to or from Paraguay in the late 1920s to Europe via Aeropostale might be found, I'm interested.
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > David Crotty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "rmattingly3544@"
> > > > To: aerophilately@...
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > For David Giles
> > > >  
> > > > Hi David,
> > > >  
> > > > In reading your introduction I arrived at the part
> > > > about Texas aerophilately. A few years back I bought an auction lot that
> > > > included some Texas items which are still sitting around someplace. If you are
> > > > interested, send me an email and I will dig them out and send you a list.
> > > > Perhaps there will be something you can use.
> > > >  
> > > > Bob Mattingly
> > > > rmattingly3544@
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: David Giles
> > > > >To: Aerophilately Yahoo Group
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:58 AM
> > > > >Subject: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > >My name is David Giles and I have just joined this Yahoo Group.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am 48-years old, and have been collecting stamps since I was eight-years old.  I got back into the hobby, seriously, when I was 24-years old. 
> > > > >
> > > > >I have been a member of a few other Yahoo Groups and found them most helpful and informative.
> > > > >
> > > > >My main collecting interests are:
> > > > >
> > > > >King George
> > > > VI Reign of the British Commonwealth (1937-1952)
> > > > >Costa Rica
> > > > >Netherlands
> > > > Indies / Indonesia
> > > > >United States of America
> > > > >... and a number of topical
> > > > collections.
> > > > >
> > > > >With rare exception, I collect everything
> > > > used.
> > > > >
> > > > >With respect to aerophilately, my main collecting interest is air
> > > > postal history of the State of Texas.  I am interested in First Flight
> > > > Covers and Aeroport Dedication covers.  I also collect U.S. airmail
> > > > stamps (as part of a U.S. collection) with an emphasis on marginal markings,
> > > > perfins and precancels, both on and off cover.  I also collect Texas city
> > > > and town postmarks, New York City postmarks, fancy numeral and letter
> > > > postmarks, and "air mail" postmarks on airmail stamps.  I also am
> > > > assembling a collection of covers with each airmail stamp used on cover,
> > > > paying the rate it was intended for, postmarked in Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > >I look
> > > > forward to learning and contributing to this
> > > > group.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >David Giles
> > > > >Ottawa, Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Member No. 204340, The American Philatelic Society
> > > > >Member No. 685 & member of the Board-of-Directors, The Society of Costa Rica Collectors
> > > > >Member No. 54687, The American Topical Association
> > > > >Member No. 1535, The Postal History Society of Canada
> > > > >Member, The Ottawa Philatelic
> > > > Society
> > > > >Co-ordinator, United States Study Group of The Ottawa Philatelic Society
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





Re: Paragua Aeopostale

GreyOldDave
 

It was much more interesting with "dude".

 
David Crotty


From: Carlos Gustavo
To: aerophilately@...
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 3:27 PM
Subject: [aerophilately] Re: Paragua Aeopostale

 

Instead of the word dude should say doubt.

--- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
>
> Hi David!
> The story starts again!
> I found at the auction web page:
> http://www.airmails.co.uk
> A cover from Paraguay to England dated on 29 February 1929.
> The cover with no dude has gone by Air from Asuncion to London because it has a British arrival postmark on 11 March 29 at 10 AM.
> Here it is the auctioneer advertisement:
>
> Lot 640 Paraguay to England Description: First acceptance of mail for England, Asuncion to London, bs 11/3, for carriage on the inaugural Compagnie Aeroposta Argentina Asuncion-Toulouse service, registered (label) cover franked $14.70 ($2.50 postage, $2.00 regn, $10.20 airmail), violet "Via Aerea" cachet, flown on the new CGA overseas service from Paraguay to Argentina then "accelerated" by the "plane-ship-plane route via the South Atlantic, arriving in Toulouse on 9th March. Scarce item in fine condition.
>
> Then………… we must admit that there are covers since Paraguay to Europe on 1929!
> Legal or illegal transportation of mail by Aeropostale is not now the case.
> Fair play! I must admit the jury was right.
> As I wrote at the beginning of my note:
>
> About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an
> expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
>
> We say in Spanish "Shoemaker to your shoes".
> I will keep researching about Argentine Air Mail 1924-1945.!!
> Maybe you are interested in buying this cover for your collection if so good luck at the auction.(ends on September 12th)
> Kind regards from Argentina.
> Carlos Cotlier.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In aerophilately@..., "Ken" wrote:
> >
> > Dear Carlos,
> >
> > I found my copy of "Historia Postal Del Correo Aereo Del Paraguay" and would be glad to scan the pages covering the early airmail services. Please advise what year I should go up to, and what is your email address.
> >
> > Ken Sanford
> > kaerophil@
> >
> > --- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David!
> > > About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
> > > The first stages of the Paraguay Air Mail Postal History have a strong relation with the Argentine Mail and the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima
> > > Lets see why it is almost impossible a "official" air mail cover in the late 1920´s from Asuncion to Europe:
> > > (We must understand as "official" as a cover that went with permission of both post offices Paraguay and Argentina or at least one of them.)
> > > 1- The first air mail services from Paraguay started with a leg to Buenos Aires - Asuncion and from Asuncion to Buenos Aires this was started by the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima susidiarie of Conpagnie Générale Aéropostale (C.G.A.). I have no information of any other Air Company or air leg before.(1)(2)(3)( 4)Not too Davies,Bousquet, Ravignani,.Banning)
> > > 2- "Companie Générale Aéropostale, operating as Aéropostale. In compliance with local laws, the operating subsidiaries Aeroposta Argentina………"(4).
> > > 3- Test fights started on April 3, 1928 and October 31, 1928.(2)
> > > 4- On September 14,1928 an contract between Aeroposta Argentina (Mr Vicente Almandos Almonacid) and the Paraguayan Mail GPO was signed to carry mail from Asuncion to Buenos Aires, but the Argentine General Post Office had not authorized yet the transportation of any mail, so if any cover or mail was sent to Europe or any other country was under responsibility of Aeroposta Argentina but not as an official mail.
> > > 5- I never saw a Paraguayan cover to Europe or any other country with a postmak or "transit" by the Argentina GPO in 1928-29 did any one saw one?
> > > 6- Dr Victor Bousquet say in his excellent book, that any cover or postal mail transported from Buenos Aires (To Paraguay) since 1º of January,1929 and in latter fights should be considered as "experimental air mail" ( in Spanish "ensayos de correo aereo")in a few words he says that any cover from Argentina to Paraguay and logically from Paraguay to Argentina (if they do exist) were transported "illegally" by Aeroposta.(Pag 70).
> > > 7- The Argentinian Government authorized on February 27, 1929 to Aeroposta SA to carry mail from and to Argentina and between the stops to Asuncion and to bring Paraguayan mail to neighboring countries only.
> > > 8- This service (Aeroposta) was interrupted for economical reasons on April 17, 1931.
> > > 9- "Paraguay was to be without air service for six years" (1) Pag 507.
> > > 10- "Pan American Airways was authorized to serve Asuncion by the Decree of June 21, 1937, and started a service in December 1937, flying Lock heed Electras from Sao Pulo, via Curitiba and Iguazu Falls, and to Buenos Aires via Monte Caseros" (1) But this is part of another story………
> > > 11- Well, about what the Judge told you I can tell you Injustice it do exist!!
> > > 12- My cogratulations for your excellent article at the Airpost Journal Dec 2012 about Pan American Airways 1942. Confidential Timetables.
> > > Hope you become vice-president of our AAMS I am sure you will do an excellent wok for the AAMS.
> > > Kind regards to you and all the people of the forum.
> > > Carlos Cotlier.
> > >
> > > Bibliography.
> > > (1) R.E.G. Davies –Airlines of Latin America –Since 1919 .Chapter 25 Pag 507.
> > > (2) A.V. Bousquet. La Aeroposta Argentina y el Correo Aereo – Chapter 5 Pgs 65 to 109.
> > > (3) M. E. Ravignani. La Linea . Pgs 22 to 24.
> > > (4) G. Banning -Airlines of Pan American Since 1927 .Pag 225.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In aerophilately@..., DEC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > We have enough people to get rolling now.
> > > > As some of you may know I have an exhibit of transAtlantic airmail between South America and Europe. It does happen that the early French airline Aeropostal started service to Paraguay in about 1928 or so and due to money problems stopped that in about a year or so. Air France resumed service to Paraguay in maybe 1933. My exhibit shows examples of the later service but not for the early. Some silly judge noticed that an commented that I should have something to show that early service. I think there might be 10 covers in the world for that short period of service.
> > > >
> > > > So anyway, if anyone knows where such an airmail cover to or from Paraguay in the late 1920s to Europe via Aeropostale might be found, I'm interested.
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > David Crotty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "rmattingly3544@"
> > > > To: aerophilately@...
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > For David Giles
> > > >  
> > > > Hi David,
> > > >  
> > > > In reading your introduction I arrived at the part
> > > > about Texas aerophilately. A few years back I bought an auction lot that
> > > > included some Texas items which are still sitting around someplace. If you are
> > > > interested, send me an email and I will dig them out and send you a list.
> > > > Perhaps there will be something you can use.
> > > >  
> > > > Bob Mattingly
> > > > rmattingly3544@

> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: David Giles
> > > > >To: Aerophilately Yahoo Group
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:58 AM
> > > > >Subject: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > >My name is David Giles and I have just joined this Yahoo Group.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am 48-years old, and have been collecting stamps since I was eight-years old.  I got back into the hobby, seriously, when I was 24-years old. 
> > > > >
> > > > >I have been a member of a few other Yahoo Groups and found them most helpful and informative.
> > > > >
> > > > >My main collecting interests are:
> > > > >
> > > > >King George
> > > > VI Reign of the British Commonwealth (1937-1952)
> > > > >Costa Rica
> > > > >Netherlands
> > > > Indies / Indonesia
> > > > >United States of America
> > > > >... and a number of topical
> > > > collections.
> > > > >
> > > > >With rare exception, I collect everything
> > > > used.
> > > > >
> > > > >With respect to aerophilately, my main collecting interest is air
> > > > postal history of the State of Texas.  I am interested in First Flight
> > > > Covers and Aeroport Dedication covers.  I also collect U.S. airmail
> > > > stamps (as part of a U.S. collection) with an emphasis on marginal markings,
> > > > perfins and precancels, both on and off cover.  I also collect Texas city
> > > > and town postmarks, New York City postmarks, fancy numeral and letter
> > > > postmarks, and "air mail" postmarks on airmail stamps.  I also am
> > > > assembling a collection of covers with each airmail stamp used on cover,
> > > > paying the rate it was intended for, postmarked in Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > >I look
> > > > forward to learning and contributing to this
> > > > group.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >David Giles
> > > > >Ottawa, Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Member No. 204340, The American Philatelic Society
> > > > >Member No. 685 & member of the Board-of-Directors, The Society of Costa Rica Collectors
> > > > >Member No. 54687, The American Topical Association
> > > > >Member No. 1535, The Postal History Society of Canada
> > > > >Member, The Ottawa Philatelic
> > > > Society
> > > > >Co-ordinator, United States Study Group of The Ottawa Philatelic Society
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




Re: Paragua Aeopostale

GreyOldDave
 

Carlos,
Thank you for this great story.
 
David Crotty


From: Carlos Gustavo To: aerophilately@...
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: [aerophilately] Re: Paragua Aeopostale

 
Hi David!
The story starts again!
I found at the auction web page:
http://www.airmails.co.uk
A cover from Paraguay to England dated on 29 February 1929.
The cover with no dude has gone by Air from Asuncion to London because it has a British arrival postmark on 11 March 29 at 10 AM.
Here it is the auctioneer advertisement:

Lot 640 Paraguay to England Description: First acceptance of mail for England, Asuncion to London, bs 11/3, for carriage on the inaugural Compagnie Aeroposta Argentina Asuncion-Toulouse service, registered (label) cover franked $14.70 ($2.50 postage, $2.00 regn, $10.20 airmail), violet "Via Aerea" cachet, flown on the new CGA overseas service from Paraguay to Argentina then "accelerated" by the "plane-ship-plane route via the South Atlantic, arriving in Toulouse on 9th March. Scarce item in fine condition.

Then………… we must admit that there are covers since Paraguay to Europe on 1929!
Legal or illegal transportation of mail by Aeropostale is not now the case.
Fair play! I must admit the jury was right.
As I wrote at the beginning of my note:

About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an
expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).

We say in Spanish "Shoemaker to your shoes".
I will keep researching about Argentine Air Mail 1924-1945.!!
Maybe you are interested in buying this cover for your collection if so good luck at the auction.(ends on September 12th)
Kind regards from Argentina.
Carlos Cotlier.

--- In aerophilately@..., "Ken" wrote:
>
> Dear Carlos,
>
> I found my copy of "Historia Postal Del Correo Aereo Del Paraguay" and would be glad to scan the pages covering the early airmail services. Please advise what year I should go up to, and what is your email address.
>
> Ken Sanford
> kaerophil@...
>
> --- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
> >
> > Hi David!
> > About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
> > The first stages of the Paraguay Air Mail Postal History have a strong relation with the Argentine Mail and the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima
> > Lets see why it is almost impossible a "official" air mail cover in the late 1920´s from Asuncion to Europe:
> > (We must understand as "official" as a cover that went with permission of both post offices Paraguay and Argentina or at least one of them.)
> > 1- The first air mail services from Paraguay started with a leg to Buenos Aires - Asuncion and from Asuncion to Buenos Aires this was started by the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima susidiarie of Conpagnie Générale Aéropostale (C.G.A.). I have no information of any other Air Company or air leg before.(1)(2)(3)( 4)Not too Davies,Bousquet, Ravignani,.Banning)
> > 2- "Companie Générale Aéropostale, operating as Aéropostale. In compliance with local laws, the operating subsidiaries Aeroposta Argentina………"(4).
> > 3- Test fights started on April 3, 1928 and October 31, 1928.(2)
> > 4- On September 14,1928 an contract between Aeroposta Argentina (Mr Vicente Almandos Almonacid) and the Paraguayan Mail GPO was signed to carry mail from Asuncion to Buenos Aires, but the Argentine General Post Office had not authorized yet the transportation of any mail, so if any cover or mail was sent to Europe or any other country was under responsibility of Aeroposta Argentina but not as an official mail.
> > 5- I never saw a Paraguayan cover to Europe or any other country with a postmak or "transit" by the Argentina GPO in 1928-29 did any one saw one?
> > 6- Dr Victor Bousquet say in his excellent book, that any cover or postal mail transported from Buenos Aires (To Paraguay) since 1º of January,1929 and in latter fights should be considered as "experimental air mail" ( in Spanish "ensayos de correo aereo")in a few words he says that any cover from Argentina to Paraguay and logically from Paraguay to Argentina (if they do exist) were transported "illegally" by Aeroposta.(Pag 70).
> > 7- The Argentinian Government authorized on February 27, 1929 to Aeroposta SA to carry mail from and to Argentina and between the stops to Asuncion and to bring Paraguayan mail to neighboring countries only.
> > 8- This service (Aeroposta) was interrupted for economical reasons on April 17, 1931.
> > 9- "Paraguay was to be without air service for six years" (1) Pag 507.
> > 10- "Pan American Airways was authorized to serve Asuncion by the Decree of June 21, 1937, and started a service in December 1937, flying Lock heed Electras from Sao Pulo, via Curitiba and Iguazu Falls, and to Buenos Aires via Monte Caseros" (1) But this is part of another story………
> > 11- Well, about what the Judge told you I can tell you Injustice it do exist!!
> > 12- My cogratulations for your excellent article at the Airpost Journal Dec 2012 about Pan American Airways 1942. Confidential Timetables.
> > Hope you become vice-president of our AAMS I am sure you will do an excellent wok for the AAMS.
> > Kind regards to you and all the people of the forum.
> > Carlos Cotlier.
> >
> > Bibliography.
> > (1) R.E.G. Davies –Airlines of Latin America –Since 1919 .Chapter 25 Pag 507.
> > (2) A.V. Bousquet. La Aeroposta Argentina y el Correo Aereo – Chapter 5 Pgs 65 to 109.
> > (3) M. E. Ravignani. La Linea . Pgs 22 to 24.
> > (4) G. Banning -Airlines of Pan American Since 1927 .Pag 225.
> >
> >
> > --- In aerophilately@..., DEC wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > We have enough people to get rolling now.
> > > As some of you may know I have an exhibit of transAtlantic airmail between South America and Europe. It does happen that the early French airline Aeropostal started service to Paraguay in about 1928 or so and due to money problems stopped that in about a year or so. Air France resumed service to Paraguay in maybe 1933. My exhibit shows examples of the later service but not for the early. Some silly judge noticed that an commented that I should have something to show that early service. I think there might be 10 covers in the world for that short period of service.
> > >
> > > So anyway, if anyone knows where such an airmail cover to or from Paraguay in the late 1920s to Europe via Aeropostale might be found, I'm interested.
> > >
> > >  
> > > David Crotty
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "rmattingly3544@"
> > > To: aerophilately@...
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > For David Giles
> > >  
> > > Hi David,
> > >  
> > > In reading your introduction I arrived at the part
> > > about Texas aerophilately. A few years back I bought an auction lot that
> > > included some Texas items which are still sitting around someplace. If you are
> > > interested, send me an email and I will dig them out and send you a list.
> > > Perhaps there will be something you can use.
> > >  
> > > Bob Mattingly
> > > rmattingly3544@

> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: David Giles
> > > >To: Aerophilately Yahoo Group
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:58 AM
> > > >Subject: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >Hello:
> > > >
> > > >My name is David Giles and I have just joined this Yahoo Group.
> > > >
> > > >I am 48-years old, and have been collecting stamps since I was eight-years old.  I got back into the hobby, seriously, when I was 24-years old. 
> > > >
> > > >I have been a member of a few other Yahoo Groups and found them most helpful and informative.
> > > >
> > > >My main collecting interests are:
> > > >
> > > >King George
> > > VI Reign of the British Commonwealth (1937-1952)
> > > >Costa Rica
> > > >Netherlands
> > > Indies / Indonesia
> > > >United States of America
> > > >... and a number of topical
> > > collections.
> > > >
> > > >With rare exception, I collect everything
> > > used.
> > > >
> > > >With respect to aerophilately, my main collecting interest is air
> > > postal history of the State of Texas.  I am interested in First Flight
> > > Covers and Aeroport Dedication covers.  I also collect U.S. airmail
> > > stamps (as part of a U.S. collection) with an emphasis on marginal markings,
> > > perfins and precancels, both on and off cover.  I also collect Texas city
> > > and town postmarks, New York City postmarks, fancy numeral and letter
> > > postmarks, and "air mail" postmarks on airmail stamps.  I also am
> > > assembling a collection of covers with each airmail stamp used on cover,
> > > paying the rate it was intended for, postmarked in Texas.
> > > >
> > > >I look
> > > forward to learning and contributing to this
> > > group.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers!
> > > >
> > > >David Giles
> > > >Ottawa, Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Member No. 204340, The American Philatelic Society
> > > >Member No. 685 & member of the Board-of-Directors, The Society of Costa Rica Collectors
> > > >Member No. 54687, The American Topical Association
> > > >Member No. 1535, The Postal History Society of Canada
> > > >Member, The Ottawa Philatelic
> > > Society
> > > >Co-ordinator, United States Study Group of The Ottawa Philatelic Society
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




Re: Paragua Aeopostale

Carlos Gustavo Cotlier
 


--- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
>
> Hi David!
> The story starts again!
> I found at the auction web page:
> http://www.airmails.co.uk
> A cover from Paraguay to England dated on 29 February 1929.
> The cover with no doubt has gone by Air from Asuncion to London because it has a British arrival postmark on 11 March 29 at 10 AM.
> Here it is the auctioneer advertisement:
>
> Lot 640 Paraguay to England Description: First acceptance of mail for England, Asuncion to London, bs 11/3, for carriage on the inaugural Compagnie Aeroposta Argentina Asuncion-Toulouse service, registered (label) cover franked $14.70 ($2.50 postage, $2.00 regn, $10.20 airmail), violet "Via Aerea" cachet, flown on the new CGA overseas service from Paraguay to Argentina then "accelerated" by the "plane-ship-plane route via the South Atlantic, arriving in Toulouse on 9th March. Scarce item in fine condition.
>
> Then………… we must admit that there are covers since Paraguay to Europe on 1929!
> Legal or illegal transportation of mail by Aeropostale is not now the case.
> Fair play! I must admit the jury was right.
> As I wrote at the beginning of my note:
>
> About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an
> expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
>
> We say in Spanish "Shoemaker to your shoes".
> I will keep researching about Argentine Air Mail 1924-1945.!!
> Maybe you are interested in buying this cover for your collection if so good luck at the auction.(ends on September 12th)
> Kind regards from Argentina.
> Carlos Cotlier.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In aerophilately@..., "Ken" kaerophil@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Carlos,
> >
> > I found my copy of "Historia Postal Del Correo Aereo Del Paraguay" and would be glad to scan the pages covering the early airmail services. Please advise what year I should go up to, and what is your email address.
> >
> > Ken Sanford
> > kaerophil@
> >
> > --- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David!
> > > About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
> > > The first stages of the Paraguay Air Mail Postal History have a strong relation with the Argentine Mail and the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima
> > > Lets see why it is almost impossible a "official" air mail cover in the late 1920´s from Asuncion to Europe:
> > > (We must understand as "official" as a cover that went with permission of both post offices Paraguay and Argentina or at least one of them.)
> > > 1- The first air mail services from Paraguay started with a leg to Buenos Aires - Asuncion and from Asuncion to Buenos Aires this was started by the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima susidiarie of Conpagnie Générale Aéropostale (C.G.A.). I have no information of any other Air Company or air leg before.(1)(2)(3)( 4)Not too Davies,Bousquet, Ravignani,.Banning)
> > > 2- "Companie Générale Aéropostale, operating as Aéropostale. In compliance with local laws, the operating subsidiaries Aeroposta Argentina………"(4).
> > > 3- Test fights started on April 3, 1928 and October 31, 1928.(2)
> > > 4- On September 14,1928 an contract between Aeroposta Argentina (Mr Vicente Almandos Almonacid) and the Paraguayan Mail GPO was signed to carry mail from Asuncion to Buenos Aires, but the Argentine General Post Office had not authorized yet the transportation of any mail, so if any cover or mail was sent to Europe or any other country was under responsibility of Aeroposta Argentina but not as an official mail.
> > > 5- I never saw a Paraguayan cover to Europe or any other country with a postmak or "transit" by the Argentina GPO in 1928-29 did any one saw one?
> > > 6- Dr Victor Bousquet say in his excellent book, that any cover or postal mail transported from Buenos Aires (To Paraguay) since 1º of January,1929 and in latter fights should be considered as "experimental air mail" ( in Spanish "ensayos de correo aereo")in a few words he says that any cover from Argentina to Paraguay and logically from Paraguay to Argentina (if they do exist) were transported "illegally" by Aeroposta.(Pag 70).
> > > 7- The Argentinian Government authorized on February 27, 1929 to Aeroposta SA to carry mail from and to Argentina and between the stops to Asuncion and to bring Paraguayan mail to neighboring countries only.
> > > 8- This service (Aeroposta) was interrupted for economical reasons on April 17, 1931.
> > > 9- "Paraguay was to be without air service for six years" (1) Pag 507.
> > > 10- "Pan American Airways was authorized to serve Asuncion by the Decree of June 21, 1937, and started a service in December 1937, flying Lock heed Electras from Sao Pulo, via Curitiba and Iguazu Falls, and to Buenos Aires via Monte Caseros" (1) But this is part of another story………
> > > 11- Well, about what the Judge told you I can tell you Injustice it do exist!!
> > > 12- My cogratulations for your excellent article at the Airpost Journal Dec 2012 about Pan American Airways 1942. Confidential Timetables.
> > > Hope you become vice-president of our AAMS I am sure you will do an excellent wok for the AAMS.
> > > Kind regards to you and all the people of the forum.
> > > Carlos Cotlier.
> > >
> > > Bibliography.
> > > (1) R.E.G. Davies –Airlines of Latin America –Since 1919 .Chapter 25 Pag 507.
> > > (2) A.V. Bousquet. La Aeroposta Argentina y el Correo Aereo – Chapter 5 Pgs 65 to 109.
> > > (3) M. E. Ravignani. La Linea . Pgs 22 to 24.
> > > (4) G. Banning -Airlines of Pan American Since 1927 .Pag 225.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In aerophilately@..., DEC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > We have enough people to get rolling now.
> > > > As some of you may know I have an exhibit of transAtlantic airmail between South America and Europe. It does happen that the early French airline Aeropostal started service to Paraguay in about 1928 or so and due to money problems stopped that in about a year or so. Air France resumed service to Paraguay in maybe 1933. My exhibit shows examples of the later service but not for the early. Some silly judge noticed that an commented that I should have something to show that early service. I think there might be 10 covers in the world for that short period of service.
> > > >
> > > > So anyway, if anyone knows where such an airmail cover to or from Paraguay in the late 1920s to Europe via Aeropostale might be found, I'm interested.
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > David Crotty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: "rmattingly3544@"
> > > > To: aerophilately@...
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > For David Giles
> > > >  
> > > > Hi David,
> > > >  
> > > > In reading your introduction I arrived at the part
> > > > about Texas aerophilately. A few years back I bought an auction lot that
> > > > included some Texas items which are still sitting around someplace. If you are
> > > > interested, send me an email and I will dig them out and send you a list.
> > > > Perhaps there will be something you can use.
> > > >  
> > > > Bob Mattingly
> > > > rmattingly3544@
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: David Giles
> > > > >To: Aerophilately Yahoo Group
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:58 AM
> > > > >Subject: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >Hello:
> > > > >
> > > > >My name is David Giles and I have just joined this Yahoo Group.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am 48-years old, and have been collecting stamps since I was eight-years old.  I got back into the hobby, seriously, when I was 24-years old. 
> > > > >
> > > > >I have been a member of a few other Yahoo Groups and found them most helpful and informative.
> > > > >
> > > > >My main collecting interests are:
> > > > >
> > > > >King George
> > > > VI Reign of the British Commonwealth (1937-1952)
> > > > >Costa Rica
> > > > >Netherlands
> > > > Indies / Indonesia
> > > > >United States of America
> > > > >... and a number of topical
> > > > collections.
> > > > >
> > > > >With rare exception, I collect everything
> > > > used.
> > > > >
> > > > >With respect to aerophilately, my main collecting interest is air
> > > > postal history of the State of Texas.  I am interested in First Flight
> > > > Covers and Aeroport Dedication covers.  I also collect U.S. airmail
> > > > stamps (as part of a U.S. collection) with an emphasis on marginal markings,
> > > > perfins and precancels, both on and off cover.  I also collect Texas city
> > > > and town postmarks, New York City postmarks, fancy numeral and letter
> > > > postmarks, and "air mail" postmarks on airmail stamps.  I also am
> > > > assembling a collection of covers with each airmail stamp used on cover,
> > > > paying the rate it was intended for, postmarked in Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > >I look
> > > > forward to learning and contributing to this
> > > > group.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > >David Giles
> > > > >Ottawa, Canada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Member No. 204340, The American Philatelic Society
> > > > >Member No. 685 & member of the Board-of-Directors, The Society of Costa Rica Collectors
> > > > >Member No. 54687, The American Topical Association
> > > > >Member No. 1535, The Postal History Society of Canada
> > > > >Member, The Ottawa Philatelic
> > > > Society
> > > > >Co-ordinator, United States Study Group of The Ottawa Philatelic Society
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Re: Paragua Aeopostale

Carlos Gustavo Cotlier
 

Instead of the word dude should say doubt.

--- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" <carloscotlier@...> wrote:

Hi David!
The story starts again!
I found at the auction web page:
http://www.airmails.co.uk
A cover from Paraguay to England dated on 29 February 1929.
The cover with no dude has gone by Air from Asuncion to London because it has a British arrival postmark on 11 March 29 at 10 AM.
Here it is the auctioneer advertisement:

Lot 640 Paraguay to England Description: First acceptance of mail for England, Asuncion to London, bs 11/3, for carriage on the inaugural Compagnie Aeroposta Argentina Asuncion-Toulouse service, registered (label) cover franked $14.70 ($2.50 postage, $2.00 regn, $10.20 airmail), violet "Via Aerea" cachet, flown on the new CGA overseas service from Paraguay to Argentina then "accelerated" by the "plane-ship-plane route via the South Atlantic, arriving in Toulouse on 9th March. Scarce item in fine condition.

Then………… we must admit that there are covers since Paraguay to Europe on 1929!
Legal or illegal transportation of mail by Aeropostale is not now the case.
Fair play! I must admit the jury was right.
As I wrote at the beginning of my note:

About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an
expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).

We say in Spanish "Shoemaker to your shoes".
I will keep researching about Argentine Air Mail 1924-1945.!!
Maybe you are interested in buying this cover for your collection if so good luck at the auction.(ends on September 12th)
Kind regards from Argentina.
Carlos Cotlier.





--- In aerophilately@..., "Ken" <kaerophil@> wrote:

Dear Carlos,

I found my copy of "Historia Postal Del Correo Aereo Del Paraguay" and would be glad to scan the pages covering the early airmail services. Please advise what year I should go up to, and what is your email address.

Ken Sanford
kaerophil@

--- In aerophilately@..., "Carlos Gustavo" <carloscotlier@> wrote:

Hi David!
About your Question from Paraguay air mails covers to Europe, I am not an expert in Paraguay Air Mail but my main research and collection exhibits are the "Argentine Air Mail 1924-1939" and "Argentine Air Mail 1939-1945".(WW II).
The first stages of the Paraguay Air Mail Postal History have a strong relation with the Argentine Mail and the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima
Lets see why it is almost impossible a "official" air mail cover in the late 1920´s from Asuncion to Europe:
(We must understand as "official" as a cover that went with permission of both post offices Paraguay and Argentina or at least one of them.)
1- The first air mail services from Paraguay started with a leg to Buenos Aires - Asuncion and from Asuncion to Buenos Aires this was started by the Aeroposta Argentina Sociedad Anonima susidiarie of Conpagnie Générale Aéropostale (C.G.A.). I have no information of any other Air Company or air leg before.(1)(2)(3)( 4)Not too Davies,Bousquet, Ravignani,.Banning)
2- "Companie Générale Aéropostale, operating as Aéropostale. In compliance with local laws, the operating subsidiaries Aeroposta Argentina………"(4).
3- Test fights started on April 3, 1928 and October 31, 1928.(2)
4- On September 14,1928 an contract between Aeroposta Argentina (Mr Vicente Almandos Almonacid) and the Paraguayan Mail GPO was signed to carry mail from Asuncion to Buenos Aires, but the Argentine General Post Office had not authorized yet the transportation of any mail, so if any cover or mail was sent to Europe or any other country was under responsibility of Aeroposta Argentina but not as an official mail.
5- I never saw a Paraguayan cover to Europe or any other country with a postmak or "transit" by the Argentina GPO in 1928-29 did any one saw one?
6- Dr Victor Bousquet say in his excellent book, that any cover or postal mail transported from Buenos Aires (To Paraguay) since 1º of January,1929 and in latter fights should be considered as "experimental air mail" ( in Spanish "ensayos de correo aereo")in a few words he says that any cover from Argentina to Paraguay and logically from Paraguay to Argentina (if they do exist) were transported "illegally" by Aeroposta.(Pag 70).
7- The Argentinian Government authorized on February 27, 1929 to Aeroposta SA to carry mail from and to Argentina and between the stops to Asuncion and to bring Paraguayan mail to neighboring countries only.
8- This service (Aeroposta) was interrupted for economical reasons on April 17, 1931.
9- "Paraguay was to be without air service for six years" (1) Pag 507.
10- "Pan American Airways was authorized to serve Asuncion by the Decree of June 21, 1937, and started a service in December 1937, flying Lock heed Electras from Sao Pulo, via Curitiba and Iguazu Falls, and to Buenos Aires via Monte Caseros" (1) But this is part of another story………
11- Well, about what the Judge told you I can tell you Injustice it do exist!!
12- My cogratulations for your excellent article at the Airpost Journal Dec 2012 about Pan American Airways 1942. Confidential Timetables.
Hope you become vice-president of our AAMS I am sure you will do an excellent wok for the AAMS.
Kind regards to you and all the people of the forum.
Carlos Cotlier.

Bibliography.
(1) R.E.G. Davies –Airlines of Latin America –Since 1919 .Chapter 25 Pag 507.
(2) A.V. Bousquet. La Aeroposta Argentina y el Correo Aereo – Chapter 5 Pgs 65 to 109.
(3) M. E. Ravignani. La Linea . Pgs 22 to 24.
(4) G. Banning -Airlines of Pan American Since 1927 .Pag 225.


--- In aerophilately@..., DEC <decrotty@> wrote:

Hi all,
We have enough people to get rolling now.
As some of you may know I have an exhibit of transAtlantic airmail between South America and Europe. It does happen that the early French airline Aeropostal started service to Paraguay in about 1928 or so and due to money problems stopped that in about a year or so. Air France resumed service to Paraguay in maybe 1933. My exhibit shows examples of the later service but not for the early. Some silly judge noticed that an commented that I should have something to show that early service. I think there might be 10 covers in the world for that short period of service.

So anyway, if anyone knows where such an airmail cover to or from Paraguay in the late 1920s to Europe via Aeropostale might be found, I'm interested.

 
David Crotty


________________________________
From: "rmattingly3544@" <rmattingly3544@>
To: aerophilately@...
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction



 
For David Giles
 
Hi David,
 
In reading your introduction I arrived at the part
about Texas aerophilately. A few years back I bought an auction lot that
included some Texas items which are still sitting around someplace. If you are
interested, send me an email and I will dig them out and send you a list.
Perhaps there will be something you can use.
 
Bob Mattingly
rmattingly3544@
----- Original Message -----
From: David Giles
To: Aerophilately Yahoo Group
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:58 AM
Subject: [aerophilately] New Member Introduction

 
Hello:

My name is David Giles and I have just joined this Yahoo Group.

I am 48-years old, and have been collecting stamps since I was eight-years old.  I got back into the hobby, seriously, when I was 24-years old. 

I have been a member of a few other Yahoo Groups and found them most helpful and informative.

My main collecting interests are:

King George
VI Reign of the British Commonwealth (1937-1952)
Costa Rica
Netherlands
Indies / Indonesia
United States of America
... and a number of topical
collections.

With rare exception, I collect everything
used.

With respect to aerophilately, my main collecting interest is air
postal history of the State of Texas.  I am interested in First Flight
Covers and Aeroport Dedication covers.  I also collect U.S. airmail
stamps (as part of a U.S. collection) with an emphasis on marginal markings,
perfins and precancels, both on and off cover.  I also collect Texas city
and town postmarks, New York City postmarks, fancy numeral and letter
postmarks, and "air mail" postmarks on airmail stamps.  I also am
assembling a collection of covers with each airmail stamp used on cover,
paying the rate it was intended for, postmarked in Texas.

I look
forward to learning and contributing to this
group.

Cheers!

David Giles
Ottawa, Canada


Member No. 204340, The American Philatelic Society
Member No. 685 & member of the Board-of-Directors, The Society of Costa Rica Collectors
Member No. 54687, The American Topical Association
Member No. 1535, The Postal History Society of Canada
Member, The Ottawa Philatelic
Society
Co-ordinator, United States Study Group of The Ottawa Philatelic Society

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