Not being heard (was APRS new passcode please)


Rob Giuliano
 

Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>


Rob Giuliano
 

Is HAMBRG running APRSIS32?
If so, the callsign that is sent to APRS-IS along with a matching passcode is the one in from
   >Menu >Configure >General >Client Configuration >MyCall
which appears to be HAMBRG.

I am pretty sure that is how APRSIS32 works, is that information is sent to the APRS-IS server for verification.  Since HAMBRG is not a valid callsign, there is no passcode for it, and I would guess the APRS-IS server you log into is rejecting it.

If you change HAMBRG to W5GIF-1 (or your choice of SSID) and use the passcode Steve sent, it should work as you expect.  Lynn would have to answer if there is a way to add an change the label viewed on maps.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:17:41 PM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


I have not seen where I put HAMBRG on the internet. It’s having to wait for others to do so. I feel I have something not set correctly? I’m so close I thought it would see my setup first 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:13 AM Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
I checked on aprs.fi and saw:
  W5GIF <Home icon> WNW of Hamburg
  HAMBRG <Start N icon> in Hamburg => callsign is only in the comment.

So it looks like both stations are being IGATEd to the internet.
So what is it that isn't seeing you?

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 11:59:39 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


I have an APRS station at HAMBURG AR. (HAMBRG) I wanted to have an IGate to put that station on the internet. Did I mis something 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:50 AM Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>


James Ewen
 

>  I assume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?


From that page there's info to help us out...

W5GIF HAMBURG AR.

Let's find out who W5GIF is that is in control of this station.

From QRZ.com
W5GIF USA flag USA

WILLIAM R GIFFORD
773 ASHLEY ROAD 95
HAMBURG, AR 71646

USA  

Google doesn't give any hits on billgifford608@... that might link that email address to the name found at QRZ, but Bill is a common nickname for someone named William.

Google Streetview doesn't show anything but bush at that address (correcting the road number to 495), but there's an APRS icon back in the bush behind where the satellite view shows a house and shop. The shadow cast from the shop looks like there might be a tall mast that indicates a ham radio afflicted individual might live there.

Back to the aprs page, using some assumptions that billgifford608@... is indeed William R Gifford, W5GIF.

Down at the bottom of that page we find:

Stations heard directly by HAMBRG – 2021-032021-022021-012020-122020-112020-102020-09
callsignpktsfirst heard - MDTlast heardlongest(rx => tx)longest at - MDT
W5GIF-9122021-03-09 15:35:262021-03-12 15:14:22EM43AD > EM43CF17.9 km 239°2021-03-11 15:31:47
W5GIF42021-03-16 07:39:152021-03-16 08:59:18EM43AG > EM43CF12.7 km 296°2021-03-16 08:59:18

This sure looks like W5GIF is being heard by HAMBRG.

Pulling up the raw packets for W5GIF we find these entries among the many there.

2021-03-16 07:39:15 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_% [Duplicate position packet]
2021-03-16 08:19:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%
2021-03-16 08:39:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%
2021-03-16 08:59:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%

These 4 entries show that the HAMBRG digipeater heard W5GIF directly and digipeated the packet at these specific times.

As always, the mantra is that you CANNOT use the APRS-IS stream to be able to verify RF operation reliably.

These 4 packets above that show HAMBRG handling the packets from W5GIF were lucky to get to the W5TCB-10 i-gate and then passed to the APRS-IS stream first, and not duplicate filtered.

If you need to analyze the operation of the APRS RF system in your area, observe the packets as they are heard on RF. We just happened to get lucky and find a few packets that provide the information desired.

The fact that the packet seen above at 07:39:15 is listed as a duplicate packet lets us know that there is most likely a Kantronics KPC-3 running in the area that is delaying packets being delivered to the APRS-IS, which causes even more difficulty for accurate analysis of packet delivery to the APRS-IS. Observe packets on RF for accurate information about the RF environment.  

James
VE6SRV


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:51 AM Rob Giuliano via groups.io <kb8rco=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>


James Ewen
 

Also, you might want to have just one of the devices sending packets as W5GIF.

You have APRSISCE/32 sending packets.

2021-03-16 08:18:02 MDT: W5GIF>APWW11,TCPIP*,qAC,T2MEXICO:@151755h3316.08N/09155.29WlAPRS-IS for Win32
2021-03-16 08:19:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%

These two units are not at the same location, so your icon on the map bounces back and forth between the two locations on other people's maps.


James
VE6SRV


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:59 AM James Ewen via groups.io <ve6srv=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
>  I assume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?


From that page there's info to help us out...

W5GIF HAMBURG AR.

Let's find out who W5GIF is that is in control of this station.

From QRZ.com
W5GIF USA flag USA

WILLIAM R GIFFORD
773 ASHLEY ROAD 95
HAMBURG, AR 71646

USA  

Google doesn't give any hits on billgifford608@... that might link that email address to the name found at QRZ, but Bill is a common nickname for someone named William.

Google Streetview doesn't show anything but bush at that address (correcting the road number to 495), but there's an APRS icon back in the bush behind where the satellite view shows a house and shop. The shadow cast from the shop looks like there might be a tall mast that indicates a ham radio afflicted individual might live there.

Back to the aprs page, using some assumptions that billgifford608@... is indeed William R Gifford, W5GIF.

Down at the bottom of that page we find:

Stations heard directly by HAMBRG – 2021-032021-022021-012020-122020-112020-102020-09
callsignpktsfirst heard - MDTlast heardlongest(rx => tx)longest at - MDT
W5GIF-9122021-03-09 15:35:262021-03-12 15:14:22EM43AD > EM43CF17.9 km 239°2021-03-11 15:31:47
W5GIF42021-03-16 07:39:152021-03-16 08:59:18EM43AG > EM43CF12.7 km 296°2021-03-16 08:59:18

This sure looks like W5GIF is being heard by HAMBRG.

Pulling up the raw packets for W5GIF we find these entries among the many there.

2021-03-16 07:39:15 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_% [Duplicate position packet]
2021-03-16 08:19:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%
2021-03-16 08:39:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%
2021-03-16 08:59:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%

These 4 entries show that the HAMBRG digipeater heard W5GIF directly and digipeated the packet at these specific times.

As always, the mantra is that you CANNOT use the APRS-IS stream to be able to verify RF operation reliably.

These 4 packets above that show HAMBRG handling the packets from W5GIF were lucky to get to the W5TCB-10 i-gate and then passed to the APRS-IS stream first, and not duplicate filtered.

If you need to analyze the operation of the APRS RF system in your area, observe the packets as they are heard on RF. We just happened to get lucky and find a few packets that provide the information desired.

The fact that the packet seen above at 07:39:15 is listed as a duplicate packet lets us know that there is most likely a Kantronics KPC-3 running in the area that is delaying packets being delivered to the APRS-IS, which causes even more difficulty for accurate analysis of packet delivery to the APRS-IS. Observe packets on RF for accurate information about the RF environment.  

James
VE6SRV


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:51 AM Rob Giuliano via groups.io <kb8rco=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>