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Feedback solicitation


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.

Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile? And what platform is it on?

Who has dared the new APRSIS32 for Win32 and what's your opinion of it?

Tell me what features you like, what you don't like, and what drives you crazy (like the slightest move while trying to click on the screen ends up moving the map and locking the center)?

I'd like to improve the product and move it towards becoming a UI-View replacement, so let me know what you'd like to see.

If all goes well, there should be a release soon that supports KISS TNCs for direct RF access as well! This will enable mobile IGate operation via your phone if you have either a real serial port or a BlueTooth to serial adapter on your TNC.

I can't make the program better if I don't hear what you'd like difference!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


John Woods <g1euh@...>
 

Hi Lynn

Your request for feedback reminded me I'd intended to try out your win32 APRS application, which I've done this evening, it runs fine, picking off stations from APRS-IS, I found it very easy to set up.

A couple of things, (and I've not looked through the messages in the group yet, so apologies if they've already been covered).

The map display is great, but it's very pale on screen, it's quite difficult to see map details clearly at a glance.  Is it possible to alter this from within the application?

I'm not sure what the various boxes in the corners and at the bottom of the screen do yet, I think I need to feed a GPS into the PC to activate them.  Would it be possible to have some stock text displayed to inform the user what the boxes are for , even if they're not in use?

Would it be possible to put some basic documentation in the archive along with the application for download?

I don't own a phone that will support APRSISCE (yet!). 

I'm looking forward to the RF enabled win32 version, it's great to see new software being developed for APRS.

Thanks and regards - John G1EUH.


Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few
weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.

Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile?  And what platform is
it on?

Who has dared the new APRSIS32 for Win32 and what's your opinion of it?

Tell me what features you like, what you don't like, and what drives you
crazy (like the slightest move while trying to click on the screen ends
up moving the map and locking the center)?

I'd like to improve the product and move it towards becoming a UI-View
replacement, so let me know what you'd like to see.

If all goes well, there should be a release soon that supports KISS TNCs
for direct RF access as well!  This will enable mobile IGate operation
via your phone if you have either a real serial port or a BlueTooth to
serial adapter on your TNC.

I can't make the program better if I don't hear what you'd like difference!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



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John Woods <g1euh@...>
 

Hi Lynn

I've connected a GPS to the PC running aprsis32, but it isn't recognized by aprsis32.

Is there something I need to do to enable GPS input?

The GPS is on COM2. 4800 baud NMEA data.

Regards - John G1EUH.


--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh wrote:

From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Subject: [aprsisce] Feedback solicitation
To: aprsisce@...
Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 13:28

Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few
weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.

Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile?  And what platform is
it on?

Who has dared the new APRSIS32 for Win32 and what's your opinion of it?

Tell me what features you like, what you don't like, and what drives you
crazy (like the slightest move while trying to click on the screen ends
up moving the map and locking the center)?

I'd like to improve the product and move it towards becoming a UI-View
replacement, so let me know what you'd like to see.

If all goes well, there should be a release soon that supports KISS TNCs
for direct RF access as well!  This will enable mobile IGate operation
via your phone if you have either a real serial port or a BlueTooth to
serial adapter on your TNC.

I can't make the program better if I don't hear what you'd like difference!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



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Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The version that is currently released doesn't support GPS on Win32, but
only on Windows Mobile. I've got the next version approaching release
that will support an NMEA GPS via COM port (or BlueTooth COM port) on
Win32 as well as direct access to a KISS TNC via the same mechanisms.

Watch this space over the next two weeks or so.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

John Woods wrote:



Hi Lynn

I've connected a GPS to the PC running aprsis32, but it isn't recognized by aprsis32.

Is there something I need to do to enable GPS input?

The GPS is on COM2. 4800 baud NMEA data.

Regards - John G1EUH.


--- On *Sat, 12/12/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh /<kj4erj@arrl.net>/* wrote:


From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@arrl.net>
Subject: [aprsisce] Feedback solicitation
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 13:28

Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the
past few
weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.

Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile? And what
platform is
it on?

Who has dared the new APRSIS32 for Win32 and what's your opinion
of it?

Tell me what features you like, what you don't like, and what
drives you
crazy (like the slightest move while trying to click on the screen
ends
up moving the map and locking the center)?

I'd like to improve the product and move it towards becoming a
UI-View
replacement, so let me know what you'd like to see.

If all goes well, there should be a release soon that supports
KISS TNCs
for direct RF access as well! This will enable mobile IGate
operation
via your phone if you have either a real serial port or a
BlueTooth to
serial adapter on your TNC.

I can't make the program better if I don't hear what you'd like
difference!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



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Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

John Woods wrote:


The map display is great, but it's very pale on screen, it's quite difficult to see map details clearly at a glance. Is it possible to alter this from within the application?
The left/right arrow keys will vary the transparency of the maps. It defaults to 50% which is why it appears pale. If you crank it down (left) to zero, expect to see your stations jump as it switches from a Mercatur Projection required by the maps to a circular distance and bearing display centered on the screen center. Make some rather interesting displays if you're connected to a full feed.

(Incidentally, to see a full feed on the Win32 version, close the program, edit the APRSIS32.XML file in the directory with the .EXE and change the <APRSPort> from 14580 to 10152. You'll see TONS of stations RIPPING by!)

I'm not sure what the various boxes in the corners and at the bottom of the screen do yet, I think I need to feed a GPS into the PC to activate them. Would it be possible to have some stock text displayed to inform the user what the boxes are for , even if they're not in use?

Would it be possible to put some basic documentation in the archive along with the application for download?
.
I've listed a pertinent part of APRSISCE.TXT from the Files section of the web site below. It talks about the various corners of the screen, but in a portrait orientation. If you have your View/Map/Wide checked, the screen layout should match the description.

I'll see if I can maybe do a mouse-hover popup on them or something. However, once you learn which is what, any sort of popup or hover would simply get annoying. Read the text below and see if it answers your questions. I don't include this file in the release zip because it's right there in the Files section where you downloaded the .ZIP from. And you probably only need to read it once...

I don't own a phone that will support APRSISCE (yet!).
I'm looking forward to the RF enabled win32 version, it's great to see new software being developed for APRS.
I JUST got the KISS RF feeding APRS packets into the screen within the past 30 minutes. I've got too much hard-coded (like the BlueTooth serial port name) to release it just yet, and I want to have RF beaconing working as well. And I believe I need to support some KISS setup/takedown strings for those foolish TNCs that don't remember to stay in KISS mode when power is cycled.

Can you all drop a note describing your APRS RF station and particularly the TNC you use and what it takes to enter and exit KISS mode? If you tell me what it takes, you improve the chances of having your TNC support on the first RF release of the program.

Oh, and if all goes well, if you have a BlueTooth serial (rather than a true RS-232 port or a USB serial) adapter to connect to your TNC, the Windows Mobile version will also be able to do direct RF for those SmartPhone users without Internet access.

Thanks and regards - John G1EUH.
You're welcome and thanks for the feedback and the questions!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

From APRSISCE.TXT in the Files section of teh Yahoo group (I have NOT recently read this for accuracy, but it should be close).

Here are some notes about the other program features:

Double-Clicking the top center rectangle will show a series of message boxes
enumerating the connections configured on your device. This is for my
debugging lost connections. - Note that in some network situations, the
client may appear to hang for 30-60 seconds. You can access other
applications on your phone and APRSISCE will eventually recover.

Clicking an Icon in the center brings up a message box providing some data
about who/what that thing is including range (distance) and bearing, their
last known coordinates, and the time that information was received. The
"via" in the title is the name of the IGate that ported that packet to
APRS-IS.

The along the center of the left edge changes the zoom level for the
circle. If you have up/down buttons or a thumb wheel, they may also drive
the zoom. It defaults to 8 miles radius (16 miles across). Plus will
increase the viewable range (zoom out - show more) and minus will decrease
the viewable range (zoom in - show fewer). The icons will automatically
shrink if you zoom out really far.

The upper left corner shows the "local" stations as they report in. You can
double-click any one of these to see the same information accessible from
the center circle.

The upper right corner shows your speed and immediately under that is your
heading. Below that is an accumulated odometer. Double-clicking the
odometer will offer to clear it along with your current track (the black
line drawn in the center circle when you move).

The bars on the right are (from outside (right) to inside): current battery
state, number of track points accumulated, and number of stations stored.
If the station bar goes full range and red, it starts replacing the oldest
station. The program is currently built to hold
128 stations.

The box in the lower right corner shows the status of the GPS fix and the
bars along the bottom show the satellites in use and in view.

Above the satellites in the lower left corner is your altitude with
background color bars showing the vertical and horizontal DOP (dilution of
precision).

Above the altitude and below the bar is the current zoom radius in miles
or feet (with a ').

If you double-click a station that APRSISCE believes can receive messages,
you can send it a message. To send a message to any station, use Menu/Send
Message from the lower right corner. Select or key in the To: callsign and
enter your desired text. A pop-up will appear when/if you receive an Ack.

Received messages will be accessible in the upper left corner box
immediately below the scrolling incoming stations. Double-click it if it
goes green to read your messages and optionally reply.


Jeffrey Pryor KC8NNO
 

Lynn,
 
I'm running APRSISCE for Windows Mobile on my AT&T Tilt 2 phone. 
 
 
I've done some basic experimentation and have only had it operating while mobile a couple times.
 
I have at least gotten it configured and feeding packets and location/telemetry data into the APRS-IS.
 
One thing I've found is that my default zoom level was all the way out and I essentially have a postage stamp size world map with my tiny icon in the middle.
 
For zooming I am not able to get anything to work via the screen, but I can use the up and down keys on my physical slide out keyboard to adjust the zoom.
 
The red center dot while mobile seems to move randomly and wildly about at times.
 
Also I'm not seeing any other icons or stations showing up.  I have set to show all, do I need to explicity indicate stations that I'd like to see?  Or maybe I have something else configured incorrectly.  So far I seem to only have a one way connection out to APRS-IS, and I'm not getting anything back.
 
One thing that would be helpful while mobile is a way to keep the sceen active/alive.  I've seen this setting on other gps/mapping programs that I've used before and is helpful while mobile and not using external power and not wanting to change any other global screen dimming and power saving settings.  Also possibly a way to keep the program active and sending data when the application is minimized.  Right now I can only feed data if the application stays active, is maximized, and the sceen doesn't go to sleep.
 
Also I haven't figured out how to get a short cut in my start menu or programs on Windows Mobile.  It would definetly be good to get that and the missing application icon resolved for future installs.
 
That's what I have for now for some basic testing and interaction.  Is indeed fun to experiement with this additional option for APRS, and look forward to future versions and enhancements.  Also if folks have any other thoughts for my issues above, feel free to comment.
 
Thanks,
 
Jeff KC8NNO
Toledo Ohio
 

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:
Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few
weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.

Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile?  And what platform is
it on?


Francisco Guerra <f.guerra@...>
 

I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in Windows XP.
I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when you have not a RF device or a digi ear you.
It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of igate in mobile or in fixed station.


Em 2009.12.13 4:07, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:
 

John Woods wrote:
>
>
> The map display is great, but it's very pale on screen, it's quite
> difficult to see map details clearly at a glance. Is it possible to
> alter this from within the application?
>
The left/right arrow keys will vary the transparency of the maps. It
defaults to 50% which is why it appears pale. If you crank it down
(left) to zero, expect to see your stations jump as it switches from a
Mercatur Projection required by the maps to a circular distance and
bearing display centered on the screen center. Make some rather
interesting displays if you're connected to a full feed.

Ok. But howto in Windows Mobile? I have not a wheel nor left/right keys.

(Incidentally, to see a full feed on the Win32 version, close the
program, edit the APRSIS32.XML file in the directory with the .EXE and
change the from 14580 to 10152. You'll see TONS of stations
RIPPING by!)

> I'm not sure what the various boxes in the corners and at the bottom
> of the screen do yet, I think I need to feed a GPS into the PC to
> activate them. Would it be possible to have some stock text displayed
> to inform the user what the boxes are for , even if they're not in use?
>
> Would it be possible to put some basic documentation in the archive
> along with the application for download?
> .
>
I've listed a pertinent part of APRSISCE.TXT from the Files section of
the web site below. It talks about the various corners of the screen,
but in a portrait orientation. If you have your View/Map/Wide checked,
the screen layout should match the description.

I'll see if I can maybe do a mouse-hover popup on them or something.
However, once you learn which is what, any sort of popup or hover would
simply get annoying. Read the text below and see if it answers your
questions. I don't include this file in the release zip because it's
right there in the Files section where you downloaded the .ZIP from.
And you probably only need to read it once...

I think "mouse-hover" is a good approach.

> I don't own a phone that will support APRSISCE (yet!).
>
> I'm looking forward to the RF enabled win32 version, it's great to see
> new software being developed for APRS.
>
I JUST got the KISS RF feeding APRS packets into the screen within the
past 30 minutes. I've got too much hard-coded (like the BlueTooth
serial port name) to release it just yet, and I want to have RF
beaconing working as well. And I believe I need to support some KISS
setup/takedown strings for those foolish TNCs that don't remember to
stay in KISS mode when power is cycled.

Can you all drop a note describing your APRS RF station and particularly
the TNC you use and what it takes to enter and exit KISS mode? If you
tell me what it takes, you improve the chances of having your TNC
support on the first RF release of the program.

I'm using a MFJ-1278 in a computer with Xastir and AGWPE+Ui-View in another one with Windows XP and a soundcard.
It will be good if you can use the soundcard and/or the bluetooth in both versions.

Oh, and if all goes well, if you have a BlueTooth serial (rather than a
true RS-232 port or a USB serial) adapter to connect to your TNC, the
Windows Mobile version will also be able to do direct RF for those
SmartPhone users without Internet access.

Ok. I can connect the MFJ via  bluetooth with the Windows Mobile device or with the desktop computer.

> Thanks and regards - John G1EUH.
>
You're welcome and thanks for the feedback and the questions!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

>From APRSISCE.TXT in the Files section of teh Yahoo group (I have NOT
recently read this for accuracy, but it should be close).

Here are some notes about the other program features:

Double-Clicking the top center rectangle will show a series of message boxes
enumerating the connections configured on your device. This is for my
debugging lost connections. - Note that in some network situations, the
client may appear to hang for 30-60 seconds. You can access other
applications on your phone and APRSISCE will eventually recover.

Clicking an Icon in the center brings up a message box providing some data
about who/what that thing is including range (distance) and bearing, their
last known coordinates, and the time that information was received. The
"via" in the title is the name of the IGate that ported that packet to
APRS-IS.

The ± along the center of the left edge changes the zoom level for the
circle. If you have up/down buttons or a thumb wheel, they may also drive
the zoom. It defaults to 8 miles radius (16 miles across). Plus will
increase the viewable range (zoom out - show more) and minus will decrease
the viewable range (zoom in - show fewer). The icons will automatically
shrink if you zoom out really far.

The "+-" works different from other programms like Google Earth. In Google "+" zooms in and "-" out.

The upper left corner shows the "local" stations as they report in. You can
double-click any one of these to see the same information accessible from
the center circle.

What does the color of the station mean? Usually they are green, but some are black or red.

The upper right corner shows your speed and immediately under that is your
heading. Below that is an accumulated odometer. Double-clicking the
odometer will offer to clear it along with your current track (the black
line drawn in the center circle when you move).

The bars on the right are (from outside (right) to inside): current battery
state, number of track points accumulated, and number of stations stored.
If the station bar goes full range and red, it starts replacing the oldest
station. The program is currently built to hold
128 stations.

The box in the lower right corner shows the status of the GPS fix and the
bars along the bottom show the satellites in use and in view.

Above the satellites in the lower left corner is your altitude with
background color bars showing the vertical and horizontal DOP (dilution of
precision).

Above the altitude and below the ± bar is the current zoom radius in miles
or feet (with a ').

If you double-click a station that APRSISCE believes can receive messages,
you can send it a message. To send a message to any station, use Menu/Send
Message from the lower right corner. Select or key in the To: callsign and
enter your desired text. A pop-up will appear when/if you receive an Ack.

Received messages will be accessible in the upper left corner box
immediately below the scrolling incoming stations. Double-click it if it
goes green to read your messages and optionally reply.

Can you configure the programs to use metric instead of imperial units?
Thank you
Best 73's
CT1AKV, Francisco Guerra


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Francisco Guerra wrote:
I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in Windows XP.
I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when you have not a RF device or a digi ear you.
It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of igate in mobile or in fixed station.
Thanks for the comments and the platforms and the willingness to try them both.

I just added the ability to transmit via a KISS TNC and now I realized that I need to support a configurable path over which to transmit. After that, I suspect I need to add configurable commands to tell the TNC to enter/exit KISS mode for those TNCs that don't stick there across power-ups (I know my Alinco TNC wants it). With that in place, it could act as a receive-only IGate. Then I'll start tracking "local" "recent' stations on the RF to enable a message-transmitting IGate from -IS to -RF (3rd party packets). Wow, seems like there's a lot to do, but I really want to get a version out for those interested in playing with the RF side of things too!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 (and soon RF)


Francisco Guerra <f.guerra@...>
 

Commands for enter/exit KISS mode in MFJ-1278 TNC are: "KISS ON" and "RESTART" respectively.

73's CT1AKV
(PS: Did you read the comments in my last msg?)


Em 2009.12.13 19:39, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:

 


Francisco Guerra wrote:
> I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a
> Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in Windows XP.
> I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when
> you have not a RF device or a digi ear you.
> It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of igate in
> mobile or in fixed station.

Thanks for the comments and the platforms and the willingness to try
them both.

I just added the ability to transmit via a KISS TNC and now I realized
that I need to support a configurable path over which to transmit.
After that, I suspect I need to add configurable commands to tell the
TNC to enter/exit KISS mode for those TNCs that don't stick there across
power-ups (I know my Alinco TNC wants it). With that in place, it could
act as a receive-only IGate. Then I'll start tracking "local" "recent'
stations on the RF to enable a message-transmitting IGate from -IS to
-RF (3rd party packets). Wow, seems like there's a lot to do, but I
really want to get a version out for those interested in playing with
the RF side of things too!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 (and
soon RF)


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Francisco Guerra wrote:

Commands for enter/exit KISS mode in MFJ-1278 TNC are: "KISS ON" and "RESTART" respectively.
So "KISS ON" puts it immediately into KISS mode? But once there, I suspect it won't understand "RESTART" because it's looking for KISS packets?

I know the Alinco requires both "KISS ON" and "RESTART" to put it into KISS mode. And a 3 character non-printable sequence (I don't have it handy) to take it out. Is it possible the MFJ is similar?

73's CT1AKV
(PS: Did you read the comments in my last msg?)
Yes, I thought I did. Ah, I see them now. I'll comment back on them on a separate reply.

Lynn (D) - Finding it hard to fathom a KISS TNC understanding a word command to leave KISS mode


Em 2009.12.13 19:39, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:


Francisco Guerra wrote:
I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a
Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in
Windows XP.
I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when
you have not a RF device or a digi ear you.
It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of igate in
mobile or in fixed station.
Thanks for the comments and the platforms and the willingness to try
them both.

I just added the ability to transmit via a KISS TNC and now I realized
that I need to support a configurable path over which to transmit.
After that, I suspect I need to add configurable commands to tell the
TNC to enter/exit KISS mode for those TNCs that don't stick there across
power-ups (I know my Alinco TNC wants it). With that in place, it could
act as a receive-only IGate. Then I'll start tracking "local" "recent'
stations on the RF to enable a message-transmitting IGate from -IS to
-RF (3rd party packets). Wow, seems like there's a lot to do, but I
really want to get a version out for those interested in playing with
the RF side of things too!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 (and
soon RF)


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Francisco Guerra wrote:

The left/right arrow keys will vary the transparency of the maps. It
defaults to 50% which is why it appears pale. If you crank it down
(left) to zero, expect to see your stations jump as it switches from a
Mercatur Projection required by the maps to a circular distance and
bearing display centered on the screen center. Make some rather
interesting displays if you're connected to a full feed.
Ok. But howto in Windows Mobile? I have not a wheel nor left/right keys.
Which Windows Mobile platform do you have? There's no soft keyboard that can get you arrow keys? If not, how do you type text? Even if there's a small cursor moving rocker thing, that should generate left/right and up/down.

I think "mouse-hover" is a good approach.
I'll see what I can come up with. My personal issue with hover is that I tend to just throw the mouse out of my active window and it distracts me to know end to see a hover pop-up appear from underneath wherever it happened to land. I understand the desire for window clarification, but I still believe that it's only good for about the first 2 or 3 days of usage.


I'm using a MFJ-1278 in a computer with Xastir and AGWPE+Ui-View in another one with Windows XP and a soundcard.
It will be good if you can use the soundcard and/or the bluetooth in both versions.
I do plan to try to support AGWPE for SoundCard access. Given that programs can access it via TCP/IP, I can probably support it from Windows Mobile as well, but that would assume that you're actually co-resident with the non-Mobile PC running AGW. Or is there a SoundCard interface for Windows Mobile that I haven't heard of?

Ok. I can connect the MFJ via bluetooth with the Windows Mobile device or with the desktop computer.
Correct. That's my primary focus, at least initially. You should be able to use any serial TNC either via a direct serial port or via a Bluetooth to serial adapter.

The "+-" works different from other programms like Google Earth. In Google "+" zooms in and "-" out.
Yes it does. I did a survey earlier on and it ended up tied. Just think of + adding MORE stations to the screen and - displaying FEWER stations. I think of the focus of APRS being the visible stations, not the visible map. This may yet change in some future revision, however.

What does the color of the station mean? Usually they are green, but some are black or red.
The color of a station in the scrolling list indicates how far they are from the screen center. Green stations are probably not even visible or are at the edges of the map. A station in red is very near or actually at the center of the screen. Black stations have not yet transmitted a position packet so APRISCE doesn't know where they are. They typically don't have a symbol either.

I'm considering displaying RF-received stations in BOLD in the scrolling station list, thoughts?

Can you configure the programs to use metric instead of imperial units?
Metric display is on my ToDo list. As I see more non-US callsigns actively using the program, the priority of that task will rise.

Thank you
You're welcome and thank you for the well-thought comments and bringing my attention to them! With enough feedback like this, we can make the program better and better in more ways than I can think of independently.

73,

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Francisco Guerra <f.guerra@...>
 

Oh, sorry, my information was not correct.
To enter KISS On ---- "KISS ON" and then "RESTART";
To KISS Off ---- in TCP/IP, assuming the interface is "ax0", enter "param ax0 255" and then "Return". This command must be issue under TCP/IP "net>" prompt and in lower case.
So, is not easy to enter KISS Off. My MFJ is in KISS ON mode, permanently. I do'nt use programms in ax25 mode.

73's de CT1AKV

Em 2009.12.14 0:18, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:

 

Francisco Guerra wrote:
>
> Commands for enter/exit KISS mode in MFJ-1278 TNC are: "KISS ON" and
> "RESTART" respectively.
>
So "KISS ON" puts it immediately into KISS mode? But once there, I
suspect it won't understand "RESTART" because it's looking for KISS packets?

I know the Alinco requires both "KISS ON" and "RESTART" to put it into
KISS mode. And a 3 character non-printable sequence (I don't have it
handy) to take it out. Is it possible the MFJ is similar?

> 73's CT1AKV
> (PS: Did you read the comments in my last msg?)
>
Yes, I thought I did. Ah, I see them now. I'll comment back on them on
a separate reply.

Lynn (D) - Finding it hard to fathom a KISS TNC understanding a word
command to leave KISS mode

>
> Em 2009.12.13 19:39, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:
>>
>>
>>
>> Francisco Guerra wrote:
>> > I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a
>> > Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in
>> Windows XP.
>> > I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when
>> > you have not a RF device or a digi ear you.
>> > It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of igate in
>> > mobile or in fixed station.
>>
>> Thanks for the comments and the platforms and the willingness to try
>> them both.
>>
>> I just added the ability to transmit via a KISS TNC and now I realized
>> that I need to support a configurable path over which to transmit.
>> After that, I suspect I need to add configurable commands to tell the
>> TNC to enter/exit KISS mode for those TNCs that don't stick there across
>> power-ups (I know my Alinco TNC wants it). With that in place, it could
>> act as a receive-only IGate. Then I'll start tracking "local" "recent'
>> stations on the RF to enable a message-transmitting IGate from -IS to
>> -RF (3rd party packets). Wow, seems like there's a lot to do, but I
>> really want to get a version out for those interested in playing with
>> the RF side of things too!
>>
>> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 (and
>> soon RF)
>>
>
>
>


jamesmhz <brad@...>
 

Hi Lynn,

Been making great use of your win32 program, I havent recieved messages yet tho but overall, I've got no complaints/suggestions here yet. The mobile version however... is it not possible to pan around the map at all? Its hard to watch another station that moves off the map as its always centered on me.
I'm using it on a Samsung i617 blackjack 2.

Keep up the great work!

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Ok, there's been quite a few new members of the group over the past few
weeks so it's time to hear some feedback.

Who of you is running APRISCE on Windows Mobile? And what platform is
it on?

Who has dared the new APRSIS32 for Win32 and what's your opinion of it?

Tell me what features you like, what you don't like, and what drives you
crazy (like the slightest move while trying to click on the screen ends
up moving the map and locking the center)?

I'd like to improve the product and move it towards becoming a UI-View
replacement, so let me know what you'd like to see.

If all goes well, there should be a release soon that supports KISS TNCs
for direct RF access as well! This will enable mobile IGate operation
via your phone if you have either a real serial port or a BlueTooth to
serial adapter on your TNC.

I can't make the program better if I don't hear what you'd like difference!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

jamesmhz wrote:
Hi Lynn,

Been making great use of your win32 program, I havent recieved messages yet tho but overall, I've got no complaints/suggestions here yet.
Just drop your callsign-SSID in here and I'm sure someone would be glad
to assist with using the messaging functions! When my filter shows me
clients moving, I sometimes fire off a message, but I don't like to
intrude too much.

The mobile version however... is it not possible to pan around the map at all? Its hard to watch another station that moves off the map as its always centered on me.
I'm using it on a Samsung i617 blackjack 2.

If I remember correctly, the BlackJack is a SmartPhone that doesn't have
a touch screen, right? But does have a way to enter
up/down/left/right? I was considering this the other day and am
thinking about a menu option called View/Pan that will lock the
directional keys to pan the map instead of their current functions of
zoom (up/down) and fade (left/right). Being a BlackJack user, does that
sound functional?

Keep up the great work!
I plan to do just that as the time allows. Thanks for the feedback.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Thanks for the clarification. The first -RF capable version should work
well with TNCs locked into KISS mode.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

Francisco Guerra wrote:



Oh, sorry, my information was not correct.
To enter KISS On ---- "KISS ON" and then "RESTART";
To KISS Off ---- in TCP/IP, assuming the interface is "ax0", enter "param ax0 255" and then "Return". This command must be issue under TCP/IP "net>" prompt and in lower case.
So, is not easy to enter KISS Off. My MFJ is in KISS ON mode, permanently. I do'nt use programms in ax25 mode.

73's de CT1AKV

Em 2009.12.14 0:18, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:

Francisco Guerra wrote:

Commands for enter/exit KISS mode in MFJ-1278 TNC are: "KISS ON" and
"RESTART" respectively.
So "KISS ON" puts it immediately into KISS mode? But once there, I
suspect it won't understand "RESTART" because it's looking for KISS packets?

I know the Alinco requires both "KISS ON" and "RESTART" to put it into
KISS mode. And a 3 character non-printable sequence (I don't have it
handy) to take it out. Is it possible the MFJ is similar?

73's CT1AKV
(PS: Did you read the comments in my last msg?)
Yes, I thought I did. Ah, I see them now. I'll comment back on them on
a separate reply.

Lynn (D) - Finding it hard to fathom a KISS TNC understanding a word
command to leave KISS mode


Em 2009.12.13 19:39, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:



Francisco Guerra wrote:
I'm trying both windows mobile and win32 versions. The first in a
Samsung i900 device with Windows Mobile 6.1, and the other in
Windows XP.
I like both of them very much. The wm version solves a problem when
you have not a RF device or a digi ear you.
It will be good to have RF acess too, and the possibility of
igate in
mobile or in fixed station.
Thanks for the comments and the platforms and the willingness to try
them both.

I just added the ability to transmit via a KISS TNC and now I realized
that I need to support a configurable path over which to transmit.
After that, I suspect I need to add configurable commands to tell the
TNC to enter/exit KISS mode for those TNCs that don't stick there
across
power-ups (I know my Alinco TNC wants it). With that in place, it
could
act as a receive-only IGate. Then I'll start tracking "local" "recent'
stations on the RF to enable a message-transmitting IGate from -IS to
-RF (3rd party packets). Wow, seems like there's a lot to do, but I
really want to get a version out for those interested in playing with
the RF side of things too!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
Win32 (and
soon RF)



Francisco Guerra <f.guerra@...>
 

Thanks, I did'nt think about soft keyboard. It works!
I don't know about interfaces for soundcard in wm. But "PocketDigi" works with the mic input.
Can you put the information about the color of stations in the next incarnation of aprsisce.txt file?

Thanks

Em 2009.12.14 0:31, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh escreveu:

 

Francisco Guerra wrote:
>
>> The left/right arrow keys will vary the transparency of the maps. It
>> defaults to 50% which is why it appears pale. If you crank it down
>> (left) to zero, expect to see your stations jump as it switches from a
>> Mercatur Projection required by the maps to a circular distance and
>> bearing display centered on the screen center. Make some rather
>> interesting displays if you're connected to a full feed.
>>
> Ok. But howto in Windows Mobile? I have not a wheel nor left/right keys.

Which Windows Mobile platform do you have? There's no soft keyboard
that can get you arrow keys? If not, how do you type text? Even if
there's a small cursor moving rocker thing, that should generate
left/right and up/down.

> I think "mouse-hover" is a good approach.

I'll see what I can come up with. My personal issue with hover is that
I tend to just throw the mouse out of my active window and it distracts
me to know end to see a hover pop-up appear from underneath wherever it
happened to land. I understand the desire for window clarification, but
I still believe that it's only good for about the first 2 or 3 days of
usage.

> I'm using a MFJ-1278 in a computer with Xastir and AGWPE+Ui-View in
> another one with Windows XP and a soundcard.
> It will be good if you can use the soundcard and/or the bluetooth in
> both versions.

I do plan to try to support AGWPE for SoundCard access. Given that
programs can access it via TCP/IP, I can probably support it from
Windows Mobile as well, but that would assume that you're actually
co-resident with the non-Mobile PC running AGW. Or is there a SoundCard
interface for Windows Mobile that I haven't heard of?

> Ok. I can connect the MFJ via bluetooth with the Windows Mobile
> device or with the desktop computer.

Correct. That's my primary focus, at least initially. You should be
able to use any serial TNC either via a direct serial port or via a
Bluetooth to serial adapter.

> The "+-" works different from other programms like Google Earth. In
> Google "+" zooms in and "-" out.

Yes it does. I did a survey earlier on and it ended up tied. Just
think of + adding MORE stations to the screen and - displaying FEWER
stations. I think of the focus of APRS being the visible stations, not
the visible map. This may yet change in some future revision, however.

> What does the color of the station mean? Usually they are green, but
> some are black or red.

The color of a station in the scrolling list indicates how far they are
from the screen center. Green stations are probably not even visible
or are at the edges of the map. A station in red is very near or
actually at the center of the screen. Black stations have not yet
transmitted a position packet so APRISCE doesn't know where they are.
They typically don't have a symbol either.

I'm considering displaying RF-received stations in BOLD in the scrolling
station list, thoughts?

> Can you configure the programs to use metric instead of imperial units?

Metric display is on my ToDo list. As I see more non-US callsigns
actively using the program, the priority of that task will rise.

> Thank you

You're welcome and thank you for the well-thought comments and bringing
my attention to them! With enough feedback like this, we can make the
program better and better in more ways than I can think of independently.

73,

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Francisco Guerra wrote:
Thanks, I did'nt think about soft keyboard. It works!
Enjoy the transparency control. I fade out the maps when I'm focusing on stations and bring them up to full opaque when I'm trying to read the street names.
I don't know about interfaces for soundcard in wm. But "PocketDigi" works with the mic input.
I'll have to look that one up. Thanks for the pointer.
Can you put the information about the color of stations in the next incarnation of aprsisce.txt file?
Will do. That file is up for a renovation/update anyway. It's falling rather far behind. Especially if/when I get around to removing screen elements for disabled features (like all of the GPS "things" on Win32).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


jamesmhz <brad@...>
 

I'm happy for those to send me messages while on APRS, people can message me anytime on my callsigns I got listed, the ZR5BBL-1 is my laptop but ZR5BBL is my mobile.

You correct, its not touchscreen, my last one was and was driving me mad haha
As for directional keys, I think 2 for up, 8 down, 4 left, 6 right would be better, that way its able to pan around the whole map in any direction and leaving the zoom function intact?
May all of you have a festive, safe season and see you on APRS :)
Sean Brad Inggs
ZR5BBL
South Africa


g4ilo
 

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Can you all drop a note describing your APRS RF station and particularly
the TNC you use and what it takes to enter and exit KISS mode?
I'm using AGW Packet Engine in sound card (KISS Simple) mode.

Julian, G4ILO


g4hyg <chrism@...>
 

Hi Lynn,

I've just downloaded the Windows PC version and it's working well.

One observation when using it for the first time was that I "lost" the map trying to zoom in and I had to edit my location in the XML file so that it would display again. It appears I had ended up with my position at the North Pole!

Other than that minor starting glitch the program is excellent and is well on the way to being a UI-View replacement! The messaging works well.

FYI I'm also developing an APRS program APRS Messenger for serial TNC's and APRS over HF PSK-63 so I appreciate the amount of work it's taken you to get it to this stage!

73,

Chris, G4HYG