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Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

David Andrzejewski
 

My digis follow this recommendation to the T. 


-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00


On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:53, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...> wrote:



Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 



On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

George Smith <n7jjy@...>
 

Yes once and from watching the beacon string even twice. just saying



On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM, Robert Bruninga
<bruninga@...> wrote:

Yes, everyone that hears it will repeat it once.  And digis can hear each other quite a distance away. (when not collided).

Bob

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:04 PM
To: bruninga@...; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: RE: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

Maybe. But watching the actual beacons there are numerous digi's repeating a beacon with the path set to wide2-1.   Just my observation!!

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Robert Bruninga
 

Yes, everyone that hears it will repeat it once.  And digis can hear each other quite a distance away. (when not collided).

Bob

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:04 PM
To: bruninga@...; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: RE: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

Maybe. But watching the actual beacons there are numerous digi's repeating a beacon with the path set to wide2-1.   Just my observation!!

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

George Smith <n7jjy@...>
 

Maybe. But watching the actual beacons there are numerous digi's repeating a beacon with the path set to wide2-1.   Just my observation!!



On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga
<bruninga@...> wrote:

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Robert Bruninga
 

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

George Smith <n7jjy@...>
 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 
de N7JJY



On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga
<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 



On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Robert Bruninga
 

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 



On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

David Andrzejewski
 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 


-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00


On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:


Depends.  
If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.
US regulations, of course. 

73,
Randy
WF5X
(SHLBTP digi)


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:
Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Randy Love
 

Depends.  
If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.
US regulations, of course. 

73,
Randy
WF5X
(SHLBTP digi)


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:
Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

K7OI-Mark
 

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

K7OI-Mark
 

Tnx
As I figure out the system that's what I thought. However, concrete description makes me certain of my thinking. 
Tnx for explaining.


Re: Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

K7OI-Mark
 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 07:45 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

The only way you will see your IS stream connected Android device on your RF only computer setup is if there is a local I-Gate station that has gone ahead and set up specifically for your IS only unit to pass from the IS out on to the RF channel. If you were to travel outside the 2 hop range of that I-Gate that is passing your IS only packets, you will not show up again on the RF channel.

 

I-gated traffic is not bi-directional. That means just because you are on a device that has IS connectivity only, you will not have your packets sent over RF even if you have an RF only station on line. Your IS connected device is likely seeing your RF only station because somewhere within 2 hopes of your RF only station, an I-Gate has heard those RF packets and sent them to the IS stream for which your Android device is connected. It may not always show up however if an I-Gate does not decode your RF only station packets, or if there were collisions and the packets never made it to an I-Gate and decoded successfully and sent to the IS.

 

This explanation will also ring true if you try to see your packets on APRS.FI

 

Thank You,

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of K7OI-Mark
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

 

So I configured aprsis32 as a digipeater 1-1 now am unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

Wondering if I need to change something

 


Re: Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

Brian Webster
 

The only way you will see your IS stream connected Android device on your RF only computer setup is if there is a local I-Gate station that has gone ahead and set up specifically for your IS only unit to pass from the IS out on to the RF channel. If you were to travel outside the 2 hop range of that I-Gate that is passing your IS only packets, you will not show up again on the RF channel.

 

I-gated traffic is not bi-directional. That means just because you are on a device that has IS connectivity only, you will not have your packets sent over RF even if you have an RF only station on line. Your IS connected device is likely seeing your RF only station because somewhere within 2 hopes of your RF only station, an I-Gate has heard those RF packets and sent them to the IS stream for which your Android device is connected. It may not always show up however if an I-Gate does not decode your RF only station packets, or if there were collisions and the packets never made it to an I-Gate and decoded successfully and sent to the IS.

 

This explanation will also ring true if you try to see your packets on APRS.FI

 

Thank You,

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of K7OI-Mark
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

 

So I configured aprsis32 as a digipeater 1-1 now am unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

Wondering if I need to change something


Re: Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

K7OI-Mark
 

RF only


Re: Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

K7OI-Mark
 

Hi
Aprs droid.org by Georg Lukas on my phone. IS only.

Aprsis32(latest release updated today). RF only at this time. On HP running Windows 11.
To Signalink USB. Into a 857d on FM at 10w out. Antenna is at 10ft.mobile whip by Comet 19.5 inches.
Antenna and height and rig is going to change.
After I'm comfortable with the program and set up. Been at aprs for over 12 years. It's much better now.
So 1st question was k7oi-8 running agw packet engine pro and signalink isn't showing up on my Aprs droid. It is now. When I transmit it pops up.

2nd quest. My Aprs droid running IS has not shown up at all on my computer AGW rd only station.
Also digipeater only works in Kiss not agw correct?

K7OI(Mark)


Re: What does "Not Queing" mean in the Transmit Log ?

KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...>
 

From Randy W5FX:

"That port looks to be a KNWD port"


----Yes indeed i is. And the D710GA is in APRS Mode.

"But if you set up your Digi for WIDE1-1......" :

---- Wide2-2 is all I am using

--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

K7OI-Mark
 

So I configured aprsis32 as a digipeater 1-1 now am unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid
Wondering if I need to change something


Re: What does "Not Queing" mean in the Transmit Log ?

Randy Love
 

Lynn can correct me if I'm wrong, but Digipeating only works for KISS mode ports.
That port looks to be a KNWD port. So, if you have your D710 in APRS mode and using a KNWD port, it won't go.
So, I may be wrong if you have this port as a KISS port of some type and not a KNWD port.

In the second NOT Queing that you have there ( at 22:06:44.888 ), the path is used up, so it won't send that one anyway.
The first one ( at 21:35:42.948 ) has a WIDE2-1 still open. But if you set up your Digi for WIDE1-1, that won't send because the packet doesn't meet the Digi parameters that you set.

Randy
WF5X


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 5:52 PM KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...> wrote:
I hear N4TNA directly.

i have Digipeat active.

Here is a typical sample from my xmit log.
One time I do not transmit his call/beacon. The other I do.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
2019-12-10T21:32:56.200 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:=3829.68N/08301.10W-

2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE
Repeater_%

2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:04:52.358 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=1,DIR_CNT=1,RF_CNT=1

2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%

2019-12-10T22:15:22.353 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#727,100,048,088,128,000,10100000


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--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL




Re: Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

It would help if you detailed exactly what each of your stations is.  What software, what hardware, and whether they are APRS-IS or RF or both.

And yes, hopefully no one is taking "massive traffic" from online to RF.  Remember, RF is only a 1200 baud shared channel!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/11/2019 5:28 PM, K7OI-Mark wrote:
Hello I have a theory about this.

My droid Aprsis app sees my computer k7oi-8. Rd only

My computer k7oi-8 doesn't see droid or any input k7oi-9 or k7oi-7.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is it because no one is digipeating massive traffic from online to rd side?
The later is my guess. I don't have internet in the shack.
Is there a fix?

K7oi Mark in Tucson


What does "Not Queing" mean in the Transmit Log ?

KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...>
 

I hear N4TNA directly.

i have Digipeat active.

Here is a typical sample from my xmit log.
One time I do not transmit his call/beacon. The other I do.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
2019-12-10T21:32:56.200 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:=3829.68N/08301.10W-

2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE
Repeater_%

2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:04:52.358 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=1,DIR_CNT=1,RF_CNT=1

2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%

2019-12-10T22:15:22.353 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#727,100,048,088,128,000,10100000


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--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL

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