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Re: APRS

Rob Giuliano
 

WELCOME!

I assume that since you are in this forum you are referring to using the KPC-3+ with APRSIS32.
There are 2 options fro working with the KPC3 and both are explained here:

Many people prefer to place the KPC-3+ in KISS mode outside of APRSIS32.  The KPC-3+ will stay in KISS mode even after resets and power cycles, so this works fine.  The above WIKI page explains how that is done.
This requires a terminal emulator (Like TeraTerm, PuTTY, or old Windows Hyperterminal) and the commands found in the KPC-3+ manual.

The alternative (and one really don't "need" any external computer applications) is to edit the APRSIS32.xml file OPEN commands to place the KPC-3+ in KISS mode when the application starts, and CLOSE to exit KISS when you exit APRSIS32.  This is also explained at the above WIKI link. 

Post back an issues or questions.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 1:52:50 PM EDT, Michael McNamara via groups.io <n3mrm@...> wrote:


I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.


Re: APRS

Michael McNamara
 

Thank you Fred. I’ll give it a try.

Mike N3MRM


On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...> wrote:



On the one I had, I used a terminal emulator. At the time I used HyperTerminal PE. Now I would use PuTTY.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

 

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Subject: [APRSISCE] APRS

 

I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.




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Re: APRS

Fred Hillhouse
 

On the one I had, I used a terminal emulator. At the time I used HyperTerminal PE. Now I would use PuTTY.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

 

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Subject: [APRSISCE] APRS

 

I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.




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APRS

Michael McNamara
 

I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Morning James.

Well I know everybody would like more info. I just don't have any more to give. If I had more I could probably figure it out too. Shut down Putty and tried to reconnect to program,nothing happens. I can reconnect with putty though. This new cable I am trying has drivers from 2009. When I reconnect with putty I have to restart the KPC 3+ or else it will not decode any strings. Again I have tried this  same route with the program too with no results. And Rob I will try and send a snippet of what you asked for.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

James Ewen
 

The rest of the world will tell you that it will work.  

If putty can access the serial port on the machine, then APRSISCE/32 should be able to as well. 

You will need to release the port from putty and then tell APRSISCE/32 to open the port. 

We have asked for a terminal emulator tool within APRSISCE/32 for many years, and Lynn has hinted at including one some day. It would be very handy in situations like this to allow one to be able to test serial communications, and prove out operations. Many people get caught trying to make multiple programs talk to the serial port at the same time. 

It is difficult to diagnose and test functions without the proper tools. It is difficult to be able to diagnose and correct problems like this over email. People including myself are giving partial hints at what to try, and you are giving minimal information back about what is happening. That’s not to fault anyone, it’s just the nature of the beast. Any one of us sitting at your computer could probably have you up and running in a minute or two. But this method takes a lot of time because both sides have limited focus. There’s going to be something that you are missing in what we are telling you to do, and/or something that you are not reporting back to us. 

Once you have it working, there will probably be an aha! moment where the tiny missing piece is discovered. 

It will work, guaranteed! 🤪

James

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:24 AM <ve6frc@...> wrote:
Tried that route yesterday James, program failed to open port.

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James
VE6SRV


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Tried that route yesterday James, program failed to open port.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

James Ewen
 

Nope, only one program can have control of the serial port at a time. 

Shut down putty and then get APRSISCE/32 to connect to the serial port. 

James

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:08 AM <ve6frc@...> wrote:
Hi Rob.

Not at home right now, had to head out for a bit. I didn't shut Putty down, according to what Lynn posted I should be able to run both. Putty is seeing the RF strings the 3+ -icom setup is receiving.

--
James
VE6SRV


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Hi Rob.

Not at home right now, had to head out for a bit. I didn't shut Putty down, according to what Lynn posted I should be able to run both. Putty is seeing the RF strings the 3+ -icom setup is receiving.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

Rob Giuliano
 

You are disconnecting (shutting down) PuTTY before trying to connect with APRSIS32?
Does APRSIS32 say {RF Port} OK?

What strings is PuTTY seeing?

Maybe post the section of the RF Port log when you try to connect.
It shouldlook something like this:

WinMain:2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 Starting Port(TNC)
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 CpReader Running on COM6:19200,N,8,1 (1 OpenCmds, 1 CloseCmds)
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 Opening COM6:19200,N,8,1
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 Opening COM6 with 4 Args
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:Packet Length 1 Version 1
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:ServiceMask 0x1 Reserved1 0x0
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:MaxQueue Tx 4096 Rx 4096 Baud 131072
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:Provider SubType 1 Capabilities 0xCB
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:Settable Params 63 Baud 0x66BFF Data 0xF StopParity 0x1F07
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.928 COM6:Current Queue Tx 4096 Rx 4096
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.928 COM6:Provider Specifics 0x0 0x0
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.949 CpOpen:Port COM6 19200,N,8,1 !CTSFlow !DSRFlow OutXon(10) !InXoff(10) DTR_ENABLE !DSRSense RTS_ENABLE
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.949 Opened COM6:19200,N,8,1, Flushing 0 in TransmitQueue, Sending 1 OpenCmds
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.949 Command[1]:~

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 8:46:28 AM EDT, ve6frc@... <ve6frc@...> wrote:


Hi Lynn.

Got up early and used another cable on com6. Have putty connected and redid VHF2 port on APRSIS32. Putty is seeing the strings with no problem. Negative action from the APRSIS32 though.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Hi Lynn.

Got up early and used another cable on com6. Have putty connected and redid VHF2 port on APRSIS32. Putty is seeing the strings with no problem. Negative action from the APRSIS32 though.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Please define "would not connect".  If it can't open the COMM port, then you still have something running that has it open.  If it's just not receiving, then a few minutes may not be enough depending on how frequently packets decode in your RF environment.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 8/5/2020 11:14 PM, ve6frc@... wrote:
Had Putty working on Port 5 for about 2 min. Shut down putty and started Aprsis. Would not connect. Have bought a ftdi chipset cable from Amazon. Will play once it is in.
Tried to roll back driver version. Wouldn’t take it.  


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Putty or any other terminal emulator can LISTEN to KISS-formatted traffic.  It's still serial data.  The packet headers will be non-printable and graphics characters, but the packet payloads are usually readable and recognizable.  All we're trying to do with the terminal emulator is SEE incoming packets from the TNC.  We'll worry about transmitting KISS-formatted packets after we're sure we can listen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 8/5/2020 10:23 PM, Brian Webster via groups.io wrote:

If your TNC is permanently in Kiss mode then Putty probably won’t work. Putty over the serial port is looking for a standard serial to device connection, not kiss. The only thing that will talk to the TNC will be a program that speaks the kiss protocol.

 

If you are using a USB to serial adapter, keep in mind that if you remove the USB plug and plug it in to any other USB port it will then get a new com port assignment in most cases. If you are using a USB to serial adapter also check to make sure that adapter is not one of the prolific chipset models.  There was a problem with counterfeit prolific chipsets so Windows updated the drivers to validate the chipset and if it was a counterfeit the driver won’t work (there is a way to use old drivers but you have to look up how to do that). For newer versions of windows it is best to get a newer SUB to serial adapter that uses the FTDI chipset.

 

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of ve6frc@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:00 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] RX/TX From radio/tnc

 

Hi all. 


TNC is definitely in kiss mode.It is set as per the two lines on the KPC3 + page to be in kiss mode all the time.
I have narrowed down to a port issue. Even if I use another cable which then shows as port 4, I still can not see Or talk to that port with Putty. In fact I can not communicate with any port. Not sure if this is a win 10 thing or what. 


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Had Putty working on Port 5 for about 2 min. Shut down putty and started Aprsis. Would not connect. Have bought a ftdi chipset cable from Amazon. Will play once it is in.
Tried to roll back driver version. Wouldn’t take it.  


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

patrick lambert
 

I agree that's he's got the wrong driver. But I use an old driver and it work flawlessly. The only thing is sometime windows will do an update and will put the last driver version and your wire won't comminicate. You just go in the com port propreties in the device manager setting and put back the driver that work .

Pat 🗻🎿


From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> on behalf of Brian Webster via groups.io <radiowebst@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:23:31 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] RX/TX From radio/tnc
 

If your TNC is permanently in Kiss mode then Putty probably won’t work. Putty over the serial port is looking for a standard serial to device connection, not kiss. The only thing that will talk to the TNC will be a program that speaks the kiss protocol.

 

If you are using a USB to serial adapter, keep in mind that if you remove the USB plug and plug it in to any other USB port it will then get a new com port assignment in most cases. If you are using a USB to serial adapter also check to make sure that adapter is not one of the prolific chipset models.  There was a problem with counterfeit prolific chipsets so Windows updated the drivers to validate the chipset and if it was a counterfeit the driver won’t work (there is a way to use old drivers but you have to look up how to do that). For newer versions of windows it is best to get a newer SUB to serial adapter that uses the FTDI chipset.

 

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of ve6frc@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:00 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] RX/TX From radio/tnc

 

Hi all. 


TNC is definitely in kiss mode.It is set as per the two lines on the KPC3 + page to be in kiss mode all the time.
I have narrowed down to a port issue. Even if I use another cable which then shows as port 4, I still can not see Or talk to that port with Putty. In fact I can not communicate with any port. Not sure if this is a win 10 thing or what. 


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

patrick lambert
 

Not the good one. Well for me. I will check mine and come back in 10 minutes. I'm outside right now.

Pat 🗻🎿


From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> on behalf of ve6frc@... <ve6frc@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:22:31 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] RX/TX From radio/tnc
 
3.8.31.0


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

Brian Webster
 

If your TNC is permanently in Kiss mode then Putty probably won’t work. Putty over the serial port is looking for a standard serial to device connection, not kiss. The only thing that will talk to the TNC will be a program that speaks the kiss protocol.

 

If you are using a USB to serial adapter, keep in mind that if you remove the USB plug and plug it in to any other USB port it will then get a new com port assignment in most cases. If you are using a USB to serial adapter also check to make sure that adapter is not one of the prolific chipset models.  There was a problem with counterfeit prolific chipsets so Windows updated the drivers to validate the chipset and if it was a counterfeit the driver won’t work (there is a way to use old drivers but you have to look up how to do that). For newer versions of windows it is best to get a newer SUB to serial adapter that uses the FTDI chipset.

 

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of ve6frc@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:00 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] RX/TX From radio/tnc

 

Hi all. 


TNC is definitely in kiss mode.It is set as per the two lines on the KPC3 + page to be in kiss mode all the time.
I have narrowed down to a port issue. Even if I use another cable which then shows as port 4, I still can not see Or talk to that port with Putty. In fact I can not communicate with any port. Not sure if this is a win 10 thing or what. 


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

3.8.31.0


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

patrick lambert
 

Yes Indeed it can. What is you driver number in the comport #4?

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Le 5 août 2020 à 22:00, "ve6frc@..." <ve6frc@...> a écrit :



Hi all. 


TNC is definitely in kiss mode.It is set as per the two lines on the KPC3 + page to be in kiss mode all the time.
I have narrowed down to a port issue. Even if I use another cable which then shows as port 4, I still can not see Or talk to that port with Putty. In fact I can not communicate with any port. Not sure if this is a win 10 thing or what. 


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Hi all. 


TNC is definitely in kiss mode.It is set as per the two lines on the KPC3 + page to be in kiss mode all the time.
I have narrowed down to a port issue. Even if I use another cable which then shows as port 4, I still can not see Or talk to that port with Putty. In fact I can not communicate with any port. Not sure if this is a win 10 thing or what.