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Re: How to show the ISS object on the map

Steve
 

Thanks for that confirmation Lynn, I had just created a fresh instance of APRSIS on a new laptop and when I inserted that filter I got a warning that the program had reverted to a safe instance.

I tried the same instance on 2 other PCs and the filter worked fine.
This morning (Sunday) I came back to the new laptop with a good nights sleep and reinserted the filter and this time the confirmation came back from the server that the new filter was accepted, I must have inserted an extra space on the first try....who knows what I did!

And yes you were correct, I was connecting to the Firenet server on port 14580

I can confirm this is the filter that I used and am using and it also cuts out those pesky water objects from Firenet!

r/32/-111/500 -b/CW* -s/w -p/METAR o/ISS* t/m

Thanks again for your help Lynn!

73
Steve, kf6wax

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

I just confirmed that the ISS object IS available via firenet.us, so that's not the issue.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 8:17 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] wrote:
The ISS object is going out every two minutes and that looks fine in your filter.  You could also try b/KJ4ERJ-15 which is the owner of the ISS object as seen at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KJ4ERJ-15 (yes, aprs.fi thinks the ISS moves too fast).

Are you connected to a mainstream, non-filtered, APRS-IS server from this instance, or a local server of your own that might not be receiving the ISS object?  With your -s/w and -p/METAR, I wonder if you're connected to firenet.us as your primary APRS-IS server and maybe there's an issue getting the ISS object to firenet?  I'm checking that theory now.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:13 PM, Steve kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I added   o/ISS*  to the line below to make the ISS show up but it did not work, did I place it in the wrong place in the filter?

r/32/-111/500 -b/CW* -s/w -p/METAR o/ISS* t/m

73
Steve, kf6wax

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) included below]

Add o/ISS* to your Add Filter and it'll start "flying" across your map, complete with orbital tracks and the approximate ground coverage "circle".



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 6:49 PM, kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax







kenwood th-d72 and aprsis

sean grant
 

hi 

im sure this topic has been covered but im new and ive had a quick look at previous conversations 


now my problem is this ive attached the program to a notebook using windows 7 and my d72 handie and im receiving stations no problem. i used port settings kenwoodkdw710aprs of which everything works my problem is i went mobile with these settings and my location stayed the same on the map. i thought i would move on the map? what am i doing wrong ? if anything 


thank you in advance 


Sean 


M0XAN 


Re: Path settings for a WX station

Carl Davis
 

Actually I hope that the N7NMS-13 does NOT go out over the air.  It is set for every minute 3 hops!!  Hopefully it is just in testing mode but that it too much.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station



By "over there", I assume you mean aprs.fi?

N7NMS doesn't "hear" the weather station. It internally generates it and gates it to the APRS-IS which is why it shows up with the qAS,N7NMS in the packet.  From http://www.aprs-is.net/q.aspx

qAS - Packet was received from another server or generated by this server. The latter case would be for a beacon generated by the server. Due to the virtual nature of APRS-IS, use of beacon packets by servers is strongly discouraged. The callSSID following the qAS is the login or IP address of the first identifiable server (see algorithm).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 3/21/2015 8:21 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I was just over there looking in to it more, N3KTX-5 has only heard it 47 times in March.  Seems a bit low since it is relatively close.  N7NMS has heard it over 11,000 times.......  I do realize that the first heard will gate it and skew the numbers but those were the only two to hear it direct this month gatewise.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station



Before you go trying to remotely debug the operator's local RF environment, please let's make sure the weather object is reliably transmitting.  The aprs.fi raw packets log shows intermittent packets at best.

Looking at the Transmit and N7NMS-13 trace logs (assuming they're both enabled) will first tell us what is even being generated at the station and where they're trying to go.  Then enabling his Port() trace log will tell us if they are actually attempting to go out his TNC connection.

The op also has a D710 as N7NMS-9 so he should be able to monitor his own transmissions to see if they're at least able to be decoded locally.  His N7NMS station is apparently set up as a Digipeater, at least acting on WIDE1-1.  He is copying local traffic and digipeating his D710 which should be displaying "My Pos" if it hears the digipeat of it's own packet.

According to his raw received packets, he can copy (at least) the N3KTX-5 and N3LJS-1 digipeaters.  Now, whether or not they can decode his station's packets, remains an outstanding question.

I'm scanning the global RF received logs now to see if I see any evidence of his N7NMS station being copied via RF anywhere, and if so, we'll know which digipeater(s) can copy his packets.

So I go back to the original statement:  Let's make sure his weather object is a) transmitting reliably (wxnow.txt updating) and b) even getting out into the local RF environment and being seen by his D710.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:36 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:


I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 















Re: Path settings for a WX station

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I have completed my scan of RF-received packets by APRSISCE/32 stations and do not see a single occurrence of N7NMS being heard on RF.  So I now question if it is even transmitting on RF.  It may be that his PTT connection from the TNC isn't working, or the generated packet is undecodable for some reason.

So the primary questions for the operator are now:

1) Does the transmit light on your radio light up when N7NMS transmits a packet?

2) Do you hear packet-type tones on another radio when said station transmits?

3) Does your D710 decode and display N7NMS packets?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 8:13 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] wrote:
Before you go trying to remotely debug the operator's local RF environment, please let's make sure the weather object is reliably transmitting.  The aprs.fi raw packets log shows intermittent packets at best.

Looking at the Transmit and N7NMS-13 trace logs (assuming they're both enabled) will first tell us what is even being generated at the station and where they're trying to go.  Then enabling his Port() trace log will tell us if they are actually attempting to go out his TNC connection.

The op also has a D710 as N7NMS-9 so he should be able to monitor his own transmissions to see if they're at least able to be decoded locally.  His N7NMS station is apparently set up as a Digipeater, at least acting on WIDE1-1.  He is copying local traffic and digipeating his D710 which should be displaying "My Pos" if it hears the digipeat of it's own packet.

According to his raw received packets, he can copy (at least) the N3KTX-5 and N3LJS-1 digipeaters.  Now, whether or not they can decode his station's packets, remains an outstanding question.

I'm scanning the global RF received logs now to see if I see any evidence of his N7NMS station being copied via RF anywhere, and if so, we'll know which digipeater(s) can copy his packets.

So I go back to the original statement:  Let's make sure his weather object is a) transmitting reliably (wxnow.txt updating) and b) even getting out into the local RF environment and being seen by his D710.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:36 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 







Re: Path settings for a WX station

Carl Davis
 

thanks well aware...
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station



By "over there", I assume you mean aprs.fi?

N7NMS doesn't "hear" the weather station. It internally generates it and gates it to the APRS-IS which is why it shows up with the qAS,N7NMS in the packet.  From http://www.aprs-is.net/q.aspx

qAS - Packet was received from another server or generated by this server. The latter case would be for a beacon generated by the server. Due to the virtual nature of APRS-IS, use of beacon packets by servers is strongly discouraged. The callSSID following the qAS is the login or IP address of the first identifiable server (see algorithm).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 3/21/2015 8:21 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I was just over there looking in to it more, N3KTX-5 has only heard it 47 times in March.  Seems a bit low since it is relatively close.  N7NMS has heard it over 11,000 times.......  I do realize that the first heard will gate it and skew the numbers but those were the only two to hear it direct this month gatewise.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station



Before you go trying to remotely debug the operator's local RF environment, please let's make sure the weather object is reliably transmitting.  The aprs.fi raw packets log shows intermittent packets at best.

Looking at the Transmit and N7NMS-13 trace logs (assuming they're both enabled) will first tell us what is even being generated at the station and where they're trying to go.  Then enabling his Port() trace log will tell us if they are actually attempting to go out his TNC connection.

The op also has a D710 as N7NMS-9 so he should be able to monitor his own transmissions to see if they're at least able to be decoded locally.  His N7NMS station is apparently set up as a Digipeater, at least acting on WIDE1-1.  He is copying local traffic and digipeating his D710 which should be displaying "My Pos" if it hears the digipeat of it's own packet.

According to his raw received packets, he can copy (at least) the N3KTX-5 and N3LJS-1 digipeaters.  Now, whether or not they can decode his station's packets, remains an outstanding question.

I'm scanning the global RF received logs now to see if I see any evidence of his N7NMS station being copied via RF anywhere, and if so, we'll know which digipeater(s) can copy his packets.

So I go back to the original statement:  Let's make sure his weather object is a) transmitting reliably (wxnow.txt updating) and b) even getting out into the local RF environment and being seen by his D710.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:36 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:


I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 















Re: Path settings for a WX station

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

By "over there", I assume you mean aprs.fi?

N7NMS doesn't "hear" the weather station. It internally generates it and gates it to the APRS-IS which is why it shows up with the qAS,N7NMS in the packet.  From http://www.aprs-is.net/q.aspx

qAS - Packet was received from another server or generated by this server. The latter case would be for a beacon generated by the server. Due to the virtual nature of APRS-IS, use of beacon packets by servers is strongly discouraged. The callSSID following the qAS is the login or IP address of the first identifiable server (see algorithm).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




On 3/21/2015 8:21 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I was just over there looking in to it more, N3KTX-5 has only heard it 47 times in March.  Seems a bit low since it is relatively close.  N7NMS has heard it over 11,000 times.......  I do realize that the first heard will gate it and skew the numbers but those were the only two to hear it direct this month gatewise.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station



Before you go trying to remotely debug the operator's local RF environment, please let's make sure the weather object is reliably transmitting.  The aprs.fi raw packets log shows intermittent packets at best.

Looking at the Transmit and N7NMS-13 trace logs (assuming they're both enabled) will first tell us what is even being generated at the station and where they're trying to go.  Then enabling his Port() trace log will tell us if they are actually attempting to go out his TNC connection.

The op also has a D710 as N7NMS-9 so he should be able to monitor his own transmissions to see if they're at least able to be decoded locally.  His N7NMS station is apparently set up as a Digipeater, at least acting on WIDE1-1.  He is copying local traffic and digipeating his D710 which should be displaying "My Pos" if it hears the digipeat of it's own packet.

According to his raw received packets, he can copy (at least) the N3KTX-5 and N3LJS-1 digipeaters.  Now, whether or not they can decode his station's packets, remains an outstanding question.

I'm scanning the global RF received logs now to see if I see any evidence of his N7NMS station being copied via RF anywhere, and if so, we'll know which digipeater(s) can copy his packets.

So I go back to the original statement:  Let's make sure his weather object is a) transmitting reliably (wxnow.txt updating) and b) even getting out into the local RF environment and being seen by his D710.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:36 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:


I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 











Re: KPC 3+ help

n4trn14
 

I would like to thank those who have helped with the suggestions. 

I also want to recognize Gil WB2UTI.  We spent some time on the phone troubleshooting the KPC 3+.  We were able to do a hard reset and get it going. 

I need to do some more test.  I hope to be ready for the next tour. 

Thank you,

Keith

On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Keith Boyer <n4trn12@...> wrote:
James,

Thank you.  I will look into it. :) 

Keith 

On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 4:55 PM, James Ewen ve6srv@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 

On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Keith Boyer n4trn12@...
[aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:

> Well the KPC is not hearing the packets. From what I have been told, there are some
> commands to reset the KPC? If so what are they? I have not used the KPC in 10 years +...

Page 205 http://www.kantronics.com/documents/kpc-3plus_manual_RevD.pdf

> How do or can I hook up the KPC directly to the laptop to see what the current KPC setting are?

Try using this:

>> I have a cable that goes from the KPC to my laptop to a converter USB to RS 232.

Page 32 http://www.kantronics.com/documents/kpc-3plus_manual_RevD.pdf

You said you had a cable from the KPC to the laptop and a USB to
RS-232 converter, so that's probably your quickest solution, since
it's already in place.

If you are having issues with figuring out the "extremely complicated
serial port" communications with the KPC-3+, you might want to look at
modifying the KPC-3+ to have a built in USB port.

http://www.projecttraveler.org/how-to-s/50-converting-kpc-3-to-usb

Zack makes a few erroneous comments, like "hard-to-find DB-25
connectors", which is pretty silly since these components are
extremely easy to source, and can probably be recycled out of many old
pieces of equipment or cables laying around.

Once you are done with the modification to the KPC-3+, you'll still
have the same issues as before though. You'll need to get a
"hard-to-find USB cable" to go between the computer and KPC-3+. You'll
still need to deal with the USB to serial conversion, and figure out
which port the device is going to be enumerated as in the computer.

There are quite a few more pages in the KPC-3+ user manual. Many of
them contain quite a bit of very useful information. If you issue a
RESTORE command, the KPC-3+ will return to factory default settings,
and allow you to start from a known configuration. However, you're
going to have to get the communication from the laptop to the KPC-3+
working before you can send a RESTORE command.

That would be my step 4... get the physical communications between the
TNC and laptop operational. Page 30 and following of the manual talks
about getting the serial communications in place and working. There's
far more written in the manual than I wish to retype in an email.

James
VE6SRV




--
Keith Boyer N4TRN
Orange County ARES
AEC Assistant Manager Skywarn Orange County, FL

Faith Assembly Traffic and Safety
Lead / Coordinator / Trainer



--
Keith Boyer N4TRN
Orange County ARES
AEC Assistant Manager Skywarn Orange County, FL

Faith Assembly Traffic and Safety
Lead / Coordinator / Trainer


Re: Path settings for a WX station

Carl Davis
 

I was just over there looking in to it more, N3KTX-5 has only heard it 47 times in March.  Seems a bit low since it is relatively close.  N7NMS has heard it over 11,000 times.......  I do realize that the first heard will gate it and skew the numbers but those were the only two to hear it direct this month gatewise.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station



Before you go trying to remotely debug the operator's local RF environment, please let's make sure the weather object is reliably transmitting.  The aprs.fi raw packets log shows intermittent packets at best.

Looking at the Transmit and N7NMS-13 trace logs (assuming they're both enabled) will first tell us what is even being generated at the station and where they're trying to go.  Then enabling his Port() trace log will tell us if they are actually attempting to go out his TNC connection.

The op also has a D710 as N7NMS-9 so he should be able to monitor his own transmissions to see if they're at least able to be decoded locally.  His N7NMS station is apparently set up as a Digipeater, at least acting on WIDE1-1.  He is copying local traffic and digipeating his D710 which should be displaying "My Pos" if it hears the digipeat of it's own packet.

According to his raw received packets, he can copy (at least) the N3KTX-5 and N3LJS-1 digipeaters.  Now, whether or not they can decode his station's packets, remains an outstanding question.

I'm scanning the global RF received logs now to see if I see any evidence of his N7NMS station being copied via RF anywhere, and if so, we'll know which digipeater(s) can copy his packets.

So I go back to the original statement:  Let's make sure his weather object is a) transmitting reliably (wxnow.txt updating) and b) even getting out into the local RF environment and being seen by his D710.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:36 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:


I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 










Re: How to show the ISS object on the map

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I just confirmed that the ISS object IS available via firenet.us, so that's not the issue.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 8:17 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] wrote:
The ISS object is going out every two minutes and that looks fine in your filter. You could also try b/KJ4ERJ-15 which is the owner of the ISS object as seen at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KJ4ERJ-15 (yes, aprs.fi thinks the ISS moves too fast).

Are you connected to a mainstream, non-filtered, APRS-IS server from this instance, or a local server of your own that might not be receiving the ISS object? With your -s/w and -p/METAR, I wonder if you're connected to firenet.us as your primary APRS-IS server and maybe there's an issue getting the ISS object to firenet? I'm checking that theory now.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:13 PM, Steve kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I added o/ISS* to the line below to make the ISS show up but it did not work, did I place it in the wrong place in the filter?

r/32/-111/500 -b/CW* -s/w -p/METAR o/ISS*t/m

73
Steve, kf6wax

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) included below]

Add o/ISS* to your Add Filter and it'll start "flying" across your map, complete with orbital tracks and the approximate ground coverage "circle".



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 6:49 PM, kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax






Re: How to show the ISS object on the map

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The ISS object is going out every two minutes and that looks fine in your filter. You could also try b/KJ4ERJ-15 which is the owner of the ISS object as seen at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KJ4ERJ-15 (yes, aprs.fi thinks the ISS moves too fast).

Are you connected to a mainstream, non-filtered, APRS-IS server from this instance, or a local server of your own that might not be receiving the ISS object? With your -s/w and -p/METAR, I wonder if you're connected to firenet.us as your primary APRS-IS server and maybe there's an issue getting the ISS object to firenet? I'm checking that theory now.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:13 PM, Steve kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I added o/ISS* to the line below to make the ISS show up but it did not work, did I place it in the wrong place in the filter?

r/32/-111/500 -b/CW* -s/w -p/METAR o/ISS*t/m

73
Steve, kf6wax

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) included below]

Add o/ISS* to your Add Filter and it'll start "flying" across your map, complete with orbital tracks and the approximate ground coverage "circle".



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 6:49 PM, kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax





Re: Path settings for a WX station

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Before you go trying to remotely debug the operator's local RF environment, please let's make sure the weather object is reliably transmitting.  The aprs.fi raw packets log shows intermittent packets at best.

Looking at the Transmit and N7NMS-13 trace logs (assuming they're both enabled) will first tell us what is even being generated at the station and where they're trying to go.  Then enabling his Port() trace log will tell us if they are actually attempting to go out his TNC connection.

The op also has a D710 as N7NMS-9 so he should be able to monitor his own transmissions to see if they're at least able to be decoded locally.  His N7NMS station is apparently set up as a Digipeater, at least acting on WIDE1-1.  He is copying local traffic and digipeating his D710 which should be displaying "My Pos" if it hears the digipeat of it's own packet.

According to his raw received packets, he can copy (at least) the N3KTX-5 and N3LJS-1 digipeaters.  Now, whether or not they can decode his station's packets, remains an outstanding question.

I'm scanning the global RF received logs now to see if I see any evidence of his N7NMS station being copied via RF anywhere, and if so, we'll know which digipeater(s) can copy his packets.

So I go back to the original statement:  Let's make sure his weather object is a) transmitting reliably (wxnow.txt updating) and b) even getting out into the local RF environment and being seen by his D710.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 7:36 PM, Carl Davis kb1ejh@... [aprsisce] wrote:
I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]"
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 






Re: Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

Carl Davis
 

I see you have it currently going 3 hops with the WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  That's a bit far.  WIDE2-2 would be a bit better.  You could also use MD2-2 for two hops in Maryland as the KTX digis are configured for SSn-N.  With your station piping the data direct to the internet it is hard to see what is going on.  You could turn off the internet to it tonight and let it run via RF only for the night and then we could see perhaps what when via RF.
 
Carl,KB1EJH


From: "n7nms@... [aprsisce]" <aprsisce@...>
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 3:17 PM
Subject: [aprsisce] Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from n7nms@... [aprsisce] included below]

Hi all,
I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.

Thanks and 73
De N7NMS 
Mike
 
 





Re: How to show the ISS object on the map [1 Attachment]

Steve
 

I added   o/ISS*  to the line below to make the ISS show up but it did not work, did I place it in the wrong place in the filter?

r/32/-111/500 -b/CW* -s/w -p/METAR o/ISS* t/m

73
Steve, kf6wax

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) included below]

Add o/ISS* to your Add Filter and it'll start "flying" across your map, complete with orbital tracks and the approximate ground coverage "circle".



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 6:49 PM, kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax




Re: How to show the ISS object on the map [1 Attachment]

Steve
 

Thanks Lynn!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, 'Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr)' kj4erj@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Lynn W Deffenbaugh (Mr) included below]

Add o/ISS* to your Add Filter and it'll start "flying" across your map, complete with orbital tracks and the approximate ground coverage "circle".



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 6:49 PM, kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax




Re: How to show the ISS object on the map

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Add o/ISS* to your Add Filter and it'll start "flying" across your map, complete with orbital tracks and the approximate ground coverage "circle".



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



On 3/21/2015 6:49 PM, kf6wax@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax



How to show the ISS object on the map

Steve
 

Can someone please refresh my memory on how to make the ISS show up on the map please!

As I recall it shows up as a Polygon but that is all I can remember about it!

Thanks in advance!

73

Steve, kf6wax


Re: Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

James Ewen
 

Okay, let's start off with a few fundamentals...

APRS on RF uses radio frequencies in the VHF spectrum. VHF radio
propagation is highly affected by terrain. In order for a VHF signal
to get from the point of origin to the intended recipient, the signal
being sent between the two needs to have enough overall system gain to
overcome the system losses, plus the required signal to noise ratio
needed to be able to successfully decode the signal.

Your station icon is located in some bush near the town of Westernport
(but it looks like your house is about 230 yards SE of that reported
location), which is situated in a bowl, surrounded by some fairly
large hills. The elevation at your reported location is about 1200'
ASL, while the hills around the area reach up to 2000' AGL. These
hills will create extremely good attenuators for blocking RF signal
propagation. You are going to need to put out an extremely strong
signal in order to overcome the hundreds of dB of loss caused by
billions of tons of rock.

Now, some of the signal from your station will probably reflect off of
surfaces, or be bent by knife-edge refraction, which *may* allow your
signal to be heard by stations outside of your direct line of sight,
but most of your signal is being eaten up by terrain.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:17 PM, n7nms@yahoo.com [aprsisce]
<aprsisce@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13)
outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area
Just to ensure you understand what you talking about here... *If* you
can get signal out to N3LJS-1 (10 miles north-east), and N3KTX-5 (15
miles west) on the first hop, your signal would be propagating easily
as far as Morgantown to the west, Hagerstown to the east, Johnstown to
the north and Harrisonburg to the south. A second hop would probably
light up another dozen digipeaters, pushing your signal as far as
Pittsburgh, and Washington. Is that really the *local area*?

but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?
Under normal operating conditions, a fixed station should NEVER use
WIDE1-1 as their outgoing path. WIDE1-1 is to be used by low powered
mobile stations that need help getting into the local digipeaters, and
should be reserved for only that use. Home stations that support
WIDE1-1 should be similar to your own fixed station as far as power
and antenna are concerned, so there's no need to ask for help from a
station similar to yours in capabilities.

A three hop path from a fixed station is a very long path. With 3
hops, you're potentially going to be lighting up well over 50
digipeaters around your location. That's a lot of area to be
affecting.

I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it.
Let's go back to the top again. Your icon shows the station in a hole,
and quite possibly not able to get a decodable signal out to a nearby
digipeater. I can see that your station is able to decode signals
being handled by N3LJS-3 as well as N3KTX-5.

I've been listening for over 15 minutes, and haven't seen a packet on
RF from N7NMS, or N7NMS-13 to be able to see if you are able to get
out to the local digipeaters. Your vehicle which is driving around
town currently is not hitting any digipeaters.

So, as a first step, I would determine if your station can get a
signal out to a local digipeater successfully or not.

If you cannot successfully get decoded by a nearby digipeater, it
doesn't matter what path you use, it won't change the fact that you
can't get decoded.

With what I can see from your location, you might want to look a
putting a local digipeater up around there. Your home location is less
than perfect. If you could secure access to a location near the top of
one of the local hills, you could probably fill in a lot of holes.

If you do get things working on RF you're going to want to reduce the
number of packets you are putting out.

http://aprs.fi/info/graphs/a/N7NMS
http://aprs.fi/info/graphs/?call=N7NMS-13

You are pushing 27 packets per hour from N7NMS, and at one point
pushing 59 packets per hour from N7NMS-13. The APRS channel is a
simplex store and forward 1200 bps shared resource. Each hop you
request doubles amount of packets your station effectively sends,
multiplied by the number of digipeaters handling those packets. Your
station by itself could almost overwhelm the local APRS network with
the traffic you are originating.

There's no need to be sending 2 local repeater objects every 5
minutes, especially over a 3 hop path (if you get it working). Local
repeater objects are better originate from digipeaters as they cause
less interference with local traffic, and can better represent the
coverage area of the object.

So, for a first step, check and make sure your station can get a
signal out to the local digipeaters.

James
VE6SRV


Re: Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

You should also have a trace log called "N7NMS-13" (or something like that) that shows the status of the wxnow.txt lookups  for the object.  According to http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=N7NMS-13, it appears that your weather software may not be dropping new files sometimes.

And a 1 or 2 minute interval may be ok for testing, but you'll likely want something more like 10 minutes or so once everything is working well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 3/21/2015 3:17 PM, n7nms@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Hi all,

I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.


Thanks and 73

De N7NMS 

Mike

 

 



Re: Path settings for a WX station [2 Attachments]

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Open and enable your Transmit trace log and see what the packet looks like that is going out.  And whether it says "IS+RF" or whatever.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 3/21/2015 3:17 PM, n7nms@... [aprsisce] wrote:

Hi all,

I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.


Thanks and 73

De N7NMS 

Mike

 

 



Path settings for a WX station

n7nms@...
 

Hi all,

I live in rural Western, MD where digi's are sparse and I can't seem to see my WX station (N7NMS-13) outside of simplex range. I only want to have it travel 1 or 2 hops to cover the local area ,but something in my setup is wrong. Any thoughts?  I know this should be simple but I just can't wrap my head around it. Attached is a screenshot, and my settings.


Thanks and 73

De N7NMS 

Mike

 

 

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