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Re: Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

K7OI-Mark
 

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 07:45 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

The only way you will see your IS stream connected Android device on your RF only computer setup is if there is a local I-Gate station that has gone ahead and set up specifically for your IS only unit to pass from the IS out on to the RF channel. If you were to travel outside the 2 hop range of that I-Gate that is passing your IS only packets, you will not show up again on the RF channel.

 

I-gated traffic is not bi-directional. That means just because you are on a device that has IS connectivity only, you will not have your packets sent over RF even if you have an RF only station on line. Your IS connected device is likely seeing your RF only station because somewhere within 2 hopes of your RF only station, an I-Gate has heard those RF packets and sent them to the IS stream for which your Android device is connected. It may not always show up however if an I-Gate does not decode your RF only station packets, or if there were collisions and the packets never made it to an I-Gate and decoded successfully and sent to the IS.

 

This explanation will also ring true if you try to see your packets on APRS.FI

 

Thank You,

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of K7OI-Mark
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

 

So I configured aprsis32 as a digipeater 1-1 now am unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

Wondering if I need to change something

 

Re: Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

Brian Webster
 

The only way you will see your IS stream connected Android device on your RF only computer setup is if there is a local I-Gate station that has gone ahead and set up specifically for your IS only unit to pass from the IS out on to the RF channel. If you were to travel outside the 2 hop range of that I-Gate that is passing your IS only packets, you will not show up again on the RF channel.

 

I-gated traffic is not bi-directional. That means just because you are on a device that has IS connectivity only, you will not have your packets sent over RF even if you have an RF only station on line. Your IS connected device is likely seeing your RF only station because somewhere within 2 hopes of your RF only station, an I-Gate has heard those RF packets and sent them to the IS stream for which your Android device is connected. It may not always show up however if an I-Gate does not decode your RF only station packets, or if there were collisions and the packets never made it to an I-Gate and decoded successfully and sent to the IS.

 

This explanation will also ring true if you try to see your packets on APRS.FI

 

Thank You,

Brian N2KGC

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of K7OI-Mark
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

 

So I configured aprsis32 as a digipeater 1-1 now am unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

Wondering if I need to change something

Re: Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

K7OI-Mark
 

RF only

Re: Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

K7OI-Mark
 

Hi
Aprs droid.org by Georg Lukas on my phone. IS only.

Aprsis32(latest release updated today). RF only at this time. On HP running Windows 11.
To Signalink USB. Into a 857d on FM at 10w out. Antenna is at 10ft.mobile whip by Comet 19.5 inches.
Antenna and height and rig is going to change.
After I'm comfortable with the program and set up. Been at aprs for over 12 years. It's much better now.
So 1st question was k7oi-8 running agw packet engine pro and signalink isn't showing up on my Aprs droid. It is now. When I transmit it pops up.

2nd quest. My Aprs droid running IS has not shown up at all on my computer AGW rd only station.
Also digipeater only works in Kiss not agw correct?

K7OI(Mark)

Re: What does "Not Queing" mean in the Transmit Log ?

KD7YZ Bob
 

From Randy W5FX:

"That port looks to be a KNWD port"


----Yes indeed i is. And the D710GA is in APRS Mode.

"But if you set up your Digi for WIDE1-1......" :

---- Wide2-2 is all I am using

--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL

Now unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid

K7OI-Mark
 

So I configured aprsis32 as a digipeater 1-1 now am unable to see k7oi-8 on aprs droid
Wondering if I need to change something

Re: What does "Not Queing" mean in the Transmit Log ?

Randy Love
 

Lynn can correct me if I'm wrong, but Digipeating only works for KISS mode ports.
That port looks to be a KNWD port. So, if you have your D710 in APRS mode and using a KNWD port, it won't go.
So, I may be wrong if you have this port as a KISS port of some type and not a KNWD port.

In the second NOT Queing that you have there ( at 22:06:44.888 ), the path is used up, so it won't send that one anyway.
The first one ( at 21:35:42.948 ) has a WIDE2-1 still open. But if you set up your Digi for WIDE1-1, that won't send because the packet doesn't meet the Digi parameters that you set.

Randy
WF5X


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 5:52 PM KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...> wrote:
I hear N4TNA directly.

i have Digipeat active.

Here is a typical sample from my xmit log.
One time I do not transmit his call/beacon. The other I do.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
2019-12-10T21:32:56.200 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:=3829.68N/08301.10W-

2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE
Repeater_%

2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:04:52.358 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=1,DIR_CNT=1,RF_CNT=1

2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%

2019-12-10T22:15:22.353 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#727,100,048,088,128,000,10100000


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL



Re: Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

It would help if you detailed exactly what each of your stations is.  What software, what hardware, and whether they are APRS-IS or RF or both.

And yes, hopefully no one is taking "massive traffic" from online to RF.  Remember, RF is only a 1200 baud shared channel!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/11/2019 5:28 PM, K7OI-Mark wrote:
Hello I have a theory about this.

My droid Aprsis app sees my computer k7oi-8. Rd only

My computer k7oi-8 doesn't see droid or any input k7oi-9 or k7oi-7.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is it because no one is digipeating massive traffic from online to rd side?
The later is my guess. I don't have internet in the shack.
Is there a fix?

K7oi Mark in Tucson

What does "Not Queing" mean in the Transmit Log ?

KD7YZ Bob
 

I hear N4TNA directly.

i have Digipeat active.

Here is a typical sample from my xmit log.
One time I do not transmit his call/beacon. The other I do.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
2019-12-10T21:32:56.200 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:=3829.68N/08301.10W-

2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T21:35:42.948 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0U,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1:`nCMl\Yv/`"5X}Monitoring the KG4DVE
Repeater_%

2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T21:44:22.317 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#725,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:00:22.315 Transmit(INT) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#726,100,048,095,128,000,10100000
2019-12-10T22:04:52.358 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:<IGATE,MSG_CNT=0,LOC_CNT=1,DIR_CNT=1,RF_CNT=1

2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 Transmit(RF) N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%
2019-12-10T22:06:44.888 KWD710(APRS)(KWD710(APRS)) NOT Queueing N4TNA-9>SX2Y0R,KD7YZ-15*,WIDE1*:`nCXl"7v/`"6*}Monitoring the KG4DVE Repeater_%

2019-12-10T22:15:22.353 Transmit(IS) KD7YZ-15>APWW10,WIDE2-2:T#727,100,048,088,128,000,10100000


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL

Aprsis32 on my Android sees on my computer doesn't see my Android?

K7OI-Mark
 

Hello I have a theory about this.

My droid Aprsis app sees my computer k7oi-8. Rd only

My computer k7oi-8 doesn't see droid or any input k7oi-9 or k7oi-7.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is it because no one is digipeating massive traffic from online to rd side?
The later is my guess. I don't have internet in the shack.
Is there a fix?

K7oi Mark in Tucson

Re: DIGI configuration

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Robert is correct.  Whatever you want to digipeat must be in the left side of a <DigiXform> and is replaced by whatever is to the right of the <DigiXform>.  The following would be for my KJ4ERJ-2 iGate to digipeat.

<DigiXform>KJ4ERJ-2=KJ4ERJ-2*</DigiXform>

Basically, whatever is in your Configure / General / MyCall-ssid would be to the left and right of the = in a <DigiXform> with the * added to the right side.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/11/2019 1:25 PM, Rob Giuliano via Groups.Io wrote:
Was asked this by a local ham, but wasn't sure of the answer:
  "Does APRSIS32.exe DIGI on the user callsign?"

My answer was:
"I will have to double check, but from memory, it only DIGIs on what is placed in the XML's <!- -DigiXform- -> area (outside the RFPort[#]).  You can add that using the form."
   Example: <DigiXform>KB8RCO=KB8RCO*</DigiXform>

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

Re: Hello I have a passcode

Rob Giuliano
 

As Lynn stated, you need to decide, but the format is what I was referring to.

Fill-in (local, low with limited power), just use:
<DigiXform>WIDE1-1=WIDE1*</DigiXform>

MAJOR (wide area coverage, high with more power to cover the area) would use:
<DigiXform>WIDE1-1=WIDE1*</DigiXform>
<DigiXform>WIDE2-1=WIDE2*</DigiXform>
<DigiXform>WIDE2-2=WIDE2-1</DigiXform>

Others may want state or other specialized (like supporting an event) DIGI would just follow the format to replace what is found (left side of '=') with the text on the right side.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 12:50:01 PM EST, Mark Loiler <k7oi.us@...> wrote:


Ok tnx Rob
So there are 5 or so white plain text boxes in the wiki. Which copy paste options exactly do I want to use. In order.
I'm not really tech minded this will be a first for me.

I did watch a you tube video from a Canadian ham 've?Dec I think showing this still want clear.

K7OI

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 10:39 Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
Because Yahoo is making undesirable changes to its groups, the APRSIS32 Yahoo groups has been migrated to groups.io.

The direct link to the WIKI that discussed setting up DIGIpeating is:


MAKE SURE APRSIS32 is closed (nto running) when you edit the APRSIS32.INI file.  Save and close the file (just to be sure) before opening APRSIS32.exe. 

Find <!- -DigiXform- -> that is AFTER any <!- -RFPort[#]- -> designations.
The format is a little different than most applications, but that makes it extremely flexible.
Most people prefer to "Copy and Paste" from the WIKI, what you want the DIGI to act on, modify as needed.

Save and close the INI and then run APRSIS32.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:53:49 AM EST, Mark Loiler k7oi.us@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce-noreply@...> wrote:


Hi I have a passcode thanks.
I am attempting to edit xml. To digipeat in local area. I have msg to several local hams even email posted to wikidot and can't get into yahoogroups (says I'm not a member) must be member to join...

So last resort and I know your busy.

My call K7OI I live in Tucson, Arizona.(Catalina).85739 zip code.

I would like to edit my xml. To allow digipeat. I read your edit xml. Documentation. 
My question there are several plain text boxes 1-4 or so.
Exactly which box or set of commands do I copy to xml.
And do I copy this exactly as you wrote them.

My plan is to improve the system not otherwise. And in a year or two most likely move way out of town to some land and continue Aprs. 

Right now I can operate 5w-50w I've been abt 10-20.
I obviously watched some vids on aprs and still not sure exactly what to change xml to.

DIGI configuration

Rob Giuliano
 

Was asked this by a local ham, but wasn't sure of the answer:
  "Does APRSIS32.exe DIGI on the user callsign?"

My answer was:
"I will have to double check, but from memory, it only DIGIs on what is placed in the XML's <!- -DigiXform- -> area (outside the RFPort[#]).  You can add that using the form."
   Example: <DigiXform>KB8RCO=KB8RCO*</DigiXform>

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

Re: Digipeater xml conf.

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Do you want to be a WIDE1 "fill-in" digipeater or a "high altitude" WIDE2 (or more) digipeater.  Only you can make that determination for your RF environment.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/11/2019 12:33 PM, K7OI-Mark wrote:
Hi I have traveled far😁 I'm trying to find out as I've read and watched about everything on aprsis xml file for digipeating.
I live in Tucson but in a year or 2 I plan on living way out in the county.
I need the exact script to edit xml for digipeating for my area. I don't want to mess things up. Can anyone help?

Digipeater xml conf.

K7OI-Mark
 

Hi I have traveled far😁 I'm trying to find out as I've read and watched about everything on aprsis xml file for digipeating.
I live in Tucson but in a year or 2 I plan on living way out in the county.
I need the exact script to edit xml for digipeating for my area. I don't want to mess things up. Can anyone help?

Re: Hello I have a passcode

Rob Giuliano
 

Because Yahoo is making undesirable changes to its groups, the APRSIS32 Yahoo groups has been migrated to groups.io.

The direct link to the WIKI that discussed setting up DIGIpeating is:


MAKE SURE APRSIS32 is closed (nto running) when you edit the APRSIS32.INI file.  Save and close the file (just to be sure) before opening APRSIS32.exe. 

Find <!- -DigiXform- -> that is AFTER any <!- -RFPort[#]- -> designations.
The format is a little different than most applications, but that makes it extremely flexible.
Most people prefer to "Copy and Paste" from the WIKI, what you want the DIGI to act on, modify as needed.

Save and close the INI and then run APRSIS32.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:53:49 AM EST, Mark Loiler k7oi.us@... [aprsisce] <aprsisce-noreply@...> wrote:


Hi I have a passcode thanks.
I am attempting to edit xml. To digipeat in local area. I have msg to several local hams even email posted to wikidot and can't get into yahoogroups (says I'm not a member) must be member to join...

So last resort and I know your busy.

My call K7OI I live in Tucson, Arizona.(Catalina).85739 zip code.

I would like to edit my xml. To allow digipeat. I read your edit xml. Documentation. 
My question there are several plain text boxes 1-4 or so.
Exactly which box or set of commands do I copy to xml.
And do I copy this exactly as you wrote them.

My plan is to improve the system not otherwise. And in a year or two most likely move way out of town to some land and continue Aprs. 

Right now I can operate 5w-50w I've been abt 10-20.
I obviously watched some vids on aprs and still not sure exactly what to change xml to.

Re: Keep Settings on Dev Version

Bob KE6GYD
 

Thanks
Bob

Re: HF Locator Modes #poll

Fred Hillhouse Jr (CruelShoes)
 

I had to say None as I don't have anything operational yet, but when I do, it will be JS8Call.

Best regards,
Fred N7FMH

Re: Keep Settings on Dev Version

Fred Hillhouse Jr (CruelShoes)
 

Yes, all settings stay the same.

Best regards,
Fred N7FMH 

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:03 AM Bob KE6GYD <ke6gyd@...> wrote:
If I change as described, the 0 to 1 in the XML file  to use the development version, will all settings remain: Particularly, Nicknames and Ports.
73
Bob 
KE6GYD 

Re: Keep Settings on Dev Version

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Yes.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/10/2019 10:03 AM, Bob KE6GYD wrote:
If I change as described, the 0 to 1 in the XML file  to use the development version, will all settings remain: Particularly, Nicknames and Ports.
73
Bob 
KE6GYD