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Re: Emailing: APRSIS32.xml

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

James Jolin wrote:
Lynn.
Put the latitude/longitude in, took the filter, etc out and things are looking good. I don't seem to be able to zoom in on the U.S. The cursor keys (up and down) take me to the other side of the Atlantic....seems to zoom in on Russia at one point. Am I missing something else?
Thanks, by the way, for your help.
Jim WA9ARB
You can drag the maps around the way you'd expect with a mouse. There is currently no keyboard way to pan the maps. As you noticed, up and down zoom out and in respectively.

What callsign-ssid are you using now? I just checked aprs.fi and it seems that WA9ARB is a UI-View station. You need to use different -SSIDs for each client, especially if they're doing different things or at different locations. It appears that you've used the same call with no -SSID for xastir, APRSIS32, and UI-View. That can cause some confusion, especially if you ever run more than one of them at the same time.

I'm only seeing one beacon from APRSIS32 and that was yesterday at 20:18 UCT. There's still some things not working right. Feel free to send me another log file if you'd like to keep trying to get it working.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Re: Emailing: APRSIS32.xml

James Jolin <jjolin@...>
 

Lynn.
Put the latitude/longitude in, took the filter, etc out and things are looking good. I don't seem to be able to zoom in on the U.S. The cursor keys (up and down) take me to the other side of the Atlantic....seems to zoom in on Russia at one point. Am I missing something else?
Thanks, by the way, for your help.
Jim WA9ARB


Re: Maps

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

That all looks good. Your OSM.Path is:

C:&#92;Users&#92;jamesjolin&#92;Documents&#92;Unzipped&#92;APRSIS32091203&#92;OSMTiles&#92;

Does that directory exist and is there anything in it? There should be a nested tree of numbered directories of the form...

zz/x/y.png where zz ranges from 00 through 18 and x/y vary depending on z, but are numbers as well. See the following URL if you're curious about OSM tile naming conventions:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Slippy_map_tilenames

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. Are you sure you're not behind some sort of web proxy? The .LOG file showed a connection to the APRS-IS server, but a messed-up filter with the extra filter word. That, along with the 0,0 lat/lon explains the lack of stations. I'm still stumped as to why you're not seeing maps, though.

James Jolin wrote:

Lynn,
Sent you three different emails. Sorry, I not used to this new version of Thunderbird.
To answer you last questions,
I am running Windows 7. The cpu is a Pentium 4 3.2Mhz. The internet connection is dsl. The firewall is the one built into Windows...no Zonealarm, etc.
That"s about it.
Jim WA9ARB


Re: Emailing: APRSIS32.xml

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

(Copying the group for general information)

I don't yet see why the screen isn't blue, but your Lat/Lon are set to 0,0, so there won't be many stations there. With the client CLOSED, edit the APRSIS32.XML file and set Lat/Lon to what you think they should be. The units are decimal degrees, so if you think you should be a at 28 degrees 30 minutes North, it would be 28.5. For 80 degrees 40 minutes west, it would be -80.6666.

The m/250 in your filter string is not necessary. Also, you do NOT want the word "filter" in there. APRSIS32/CE automatically create an m/nnn filter based on the Range setting and also already add the "filter" word. UI-View called it "Extra Logon Text", I only allow Extra Filter.

If you put the following URL into a browser, what do you get? Do you know if you're behind a web proxy or have direct access to the Internet?

http://tile.openstreetmap.org/0/0/0.png

You should get a map of the whole world which is also what APRSIS32 should display when you have the slider the whole way up at the + end.

Let me know what you get after changing the Lat/Lon and filter in your XML file and re-running the client.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

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Re: Maps

James Jolin <jjolin@...>
 

Lynn,
Sent you three different emails. Sorry, I not used to this new version of Thunderbird.
To answer you last questions,
I am running Windows 7. The cpu is a Pentium 4 3.2Mhz. The internet connection is dsl. The firewall is the one built into Windows...no Zonealarm, etc.
That"s about it.
Jim WA9ARB


Re: Maps

James Jolin <jjolin@...>
 

Here is my OSM Path:
<OSM.Path>C:&#92;Users&#92;jamesjolin&#92;Documents&#92;Unzipped&#92;APRSIS32091203&#92;OSMTiles&#92;</OSM.Path>

Jim WA9ARB


Re: Maps

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

James Jolin wrote:
Lynn,
I tried both of your suggestions and none of them worked. I downloaded aprsis32 into an empty directory " of my choosing" double clicked the exe file, got a whole bunch of stations, but no map. This morning I tried again and now I don't get any stations at all and , also, no maps. You need more info?
Jim WA9ARB
Yeah, I do..... Can you:

1) Bring up the client
2) Turn on Enables / Debug Logging
3) Close the client
4) Bring up the client
5) Wait for a while, then do a screen capture (if you know how) or at least note what it says in the APRS Status window (Top center (View/Map/Wide) or 2'nd down on the left (View/Map/Narrow))
6) Close the client

E-mail me the APRSIS32.LOG and APRIS32.XML files in the directory in which the .EXE resides. Hopefully there'll be enough diagnostics in there for me to figure out what's happening to you. If not, I may provide a new .EXE with additional connection-level diagnostics to help figure out what's going on.

Oh, and what Windows version are you running? What processor? What Internet connection (dial-up or high speed)? Any firewalls or non-standard network configuration between you and the Internet?

E-mail this information directly to KJ4ERJ@arrl.net, if you please.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Re: Maps

g4ilo
 

I'll try to help out. What value does OSM.Path have in your APRSIS32.xml file? Mine says:

<OSM.Path>C:&#92;Ham&#92;APRSIS32&#92;OSMTiles&#92;</OSM.Path>

That should tell you where the map tiles are (supposed to be). In my case, I installed the software in &#92;Ham&#92;APRSIS32 (no Program Files nonsense for me.)

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, James Jolin <jjolin@...> wrote:

Lynn,
I tried both of your suggestions and none of them worked. I downloaded
aprsis32 into an empty directory " of my choosing" double clicked the
exe file, got a whole bunch of stations, but no map. This morning I
tried again and now I don't get any stations at all and , also, no
maps. You need more info?
Jim WA9ARB


Re: Maps

James Jolin <jjolin@...>
 

Lynn,
I tried both of your suggestions and none of them worked. I downloaded aprsis32 into an empty directory " of my choosing" double clicked the exe file, got a whole bunch of stations, but no map. This morning I tried again and now I don't get any stations at all and , also, no maps. You need more info?
Jim WA9ARB


Re: GPX logging

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Francisco Guerra wrote:

It's a nice feature, and, as Julian (G4ILO) says, "direct support of GPX would be nice".
But, where are .CSV files in /32 version?.
APRSIS32 doesn't create the .CSV files as they make no sense until it supports GPS input. If a station can't move, every log would end up with a single entry!
I can convert APRSISCE .CSV files to .KML or GPX with "Poiedit" programm. But There are 2 problemms:
1- the "T" between date and time must be converted to ",";
The T is one of the web standard data formats for a date/time stamp. I actually created this support (and stealthed it due to lack of time) to track our travels in Costa Rica last year where I knew I wouldn't have a live Internet connection. At the end of each day, I uploaded the file(s) to my server back home and it generated OSM map panels showing our journey. You can see these files at the following URL in the dates from 2009-03-32 through 2009-04-06. 2009-04-06 from 18:32:57 through 23:56:00 shows our plane flight from CR to FL.

http://ldeffenb.dnsalias.net.nyud.net/Tracking/CostaRica/*

(BTW, when you see how slow my outbound server is, you'll know why I distribute the program via Yahoo Groups!)

2- "Poiedit" converts longitude data to latitude data and vice-versa. You must change the order before conversion.

Thanks
(CT1AKV)







Re: UI-View compatible maps

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

g4ilo wrote:
I am wondering whether it would be possible to add support for user-supplied maps? Since there is already an existing "standard" the UI-View format might be suitable?

The reason I ask is that I am interested in Summits On The Air (or more specifically Wainwrights On The Air which is a local version limited to the English Lake District) so I will most often be making use of the tracker off the beaten track where no detail is shown on the default mapping.

Having the ability to use, say, a scanned section of a walker's map with corner co-ordinates entered would greatly increase the utility of the program.

Great reasoning and I've (finally) added it to the ToDo list. I've
thought about this numerous times (mostly before I learned about OSM),
but never actually tackled it. Prior to starting work on the client, I
actually made some UI-View maps from tile-based data and never got the
registration right. After doing the OSM display, I learned why. Each
tile must have it's own upper and lower (or vertical center)
coordinates. Coordinates in the N/S direction are decidedly non-linear
and I didn't know that back then.

Does anyone know if UI-View correctly scales the N/S via the Mercator
projection or does it linearly map the point in the vertical?

Right now I've got a bit of hard-coding of the tile size, so it'll take
some work to get it accomplished, but accomplish it I will now that I've
heard a good use for scanned maps. (I've thought about this a lot but
all of my thoughts ended up being resolved by a map pre-fetcher to
populate the cache before embarking out of coverage mixed with the
ability to do local (and Item-As-Message) icons as overlays).

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Re: APRS queries

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

g4ilo wrote:
Someone sent me a message last night. I think it said APRSD? or something like that. I believe these are queries that the client is supposed to respond to automatically. Is this something that is TBD?

Yes and Yes. There are a set of APRS queries that can be sent as
messages and are supposed to be auto-answered by the client. I've added
it to the ToDo list.

I'm going to have to be patient and wait until after Jan 15 to use APRSISCE on my phone as that is when my unlimited internet package will start. I've already spent a few bucks using it without the package. Although my phone can use wi-fi I can't seem to stop it using the mobile data.

I have noticed the same thing when I arrive at my QTH. Even though the
top icon changes to show connection to the WiFi, the data still seems to
flow via the cellular. Even if I close the client and restart, the
connections (both APRS-IS and OSM map fetching) seem to prefer the
cellular connection. I'll have to do some research into how (or if) I
can control this.
Something odd happened last night. I tried to shut down APRSISCE and a message appeared to say that there were unacknowledged messages did I want to continue so I answered No or Cancel. The application window disappeared from the screen and it appeared to close. I restarted it but only the title bar and menu came up - the main part of the screen was not drawn so it still showed the phone's home page. I had to reboot the phone to restore normal operation.

In the currently released version, if you are out of data coverage,
APRSISCE/32 will lock up for 90 seconds at a time when trying to
establish a connection. This will be fixed in the next release, but in
the meantime, if the window gets covered up and uncovered, all you'll
see is the title for an extended period. If you wait long enough, it
will usually get the screen painted and start responding again.

You should never have to reboot a phone to get rid of APRSISCE. Simply
hit the Start Menu, go to Settings, System tab, Memory, Running Programs
tab, Select the program that you want to stop (will probably be your
callsign) and click Stop. After a short delay, you will be told that it
is not responding and give the opportunity to kill it anyway.

Unacknowledged messages means that you sent a message to someone and
never heard an ack. The message window (usually says No Msg) will be
yellow (or orange if you also have unread incoming messages). To see
who the messages are for, use Menu / Messages / Pending Messages. It
will give you a pop-up of the callsigns and from there you can see the
message with options to re-start the retries, cancel the messages, or
Ignore it which keeps it in the pending list. Some future version will
make message handling a bit smoother and intuitive and include buffering
read messages that you can then deal with later.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


UI-View compatible maps

g4ilo
 

I am wondering whether it would be possible to add support for user-supplied maps? Since there is already an existing "standard" the UI-View format might be suitable?

The reason I ask is that I am interested in Summits On The Air (or more specifically Wainwrights On The Air which is a local version limited to the English Lake District) so I will most often be making use of the tracker off the beaten track where no detail is shown on the default mapping.

Having the ability to use, say, a scanned section of a walker's map with corner co-ordinates entered would greatly increase the utility of the program.

Julian, G4ILO


Re: GPX logging

Francisco Guerra <f.guerra@...>
 




You're currently correct that APRSISCE won't do OpenStreetMap.org GPX
files. However, if you look in your My Documents folder, you'll notice
a bunch of .CSV files with yyyymmdd-hhmm.csv looking names. These
contain the timestamp, coordinate, and altitude of each beacon sent by
APRSISCE. When you click Transmit, not only is a beacon sent (assuming
it has been at least the minimum seconds), but a row is added to this
file. I need to a) put this in GPX format, b) give the user a way to
turn on/off/restart this file, and c) give the user a way to put a
coordinate in the GPX file with an entered comment.

It's a nice feature, and, as Julian (G4ILO) says, "direct support of GPX would be nice".
But, where are .CSV files in /32 version?.
I can convert APRSISCE .CSV files to .KML or GPX with "Poiedit" programm. But There are 2 problemms:
1- the "T" between date and time must be converted to  ",";
2-  "Poiedit" converts longitude data to latitude data and vice-versa. You must change the order before conversion.

Thanks
(CT1AKV)





APRS queries

g4ilo
 

Someone sent me a message last night. I think it said APRSD? or something like that. I believe these are queries that the client is supposed to respond to automatically. Is this something that is TBD?

I'm going to have to be patient and wait until after Jan 15 to use APRSISCE on my phone as that is when my unlimited internet package will start. I've already spent a few bucks using it without the package. Although my phone can use wi-fi I can't seem to stop it using the mobile data.

Something odd happened last night. I tried to shut down APRSISCE and a message appeared to say that there were unacknowledged messages did I want to continue so I answered No or Cancel. The application window disappeared from the screen and it appeared to close. I restarted it but only the title bar and menu came up - the main part of the screen was not drawn so it still showed the phone's home page. I had to reboot the phone to restore normal operation.

Julian, G4ILO


Re: Weather stations

ae5pl <pete@...>
 

I was asked to weigh in on this regarding what those stations are and why they don't show up on APRS-IS. Considering it is because of my software they don't show up, I guess that is a reasonable qualification.

The CWOP (Citizens Weather Observation Program) is a volunteer weather reporting system implemented a little over 10 years ago using APRS-IS as its reporting network. This was done because it was born out of ham stations already reporting on APRS (and therefore APRS-IS) and promoted by Steve Dimse (findU owner/operator) and a few people in NOAA (the US national weather service).

About 3 years ago (I think), we moved the CWOP stations (CW or DW followed by 4 numbers) to their own network because of some poor programming techiques that caused massive spikes on the core servers and connected downstream servers. They have operated on their own network since then and have grown from about 3700 stations to over 5000 stations.

Now the beauty of this is that while their reports don't show up on APRS-IS (separate network), our weather reports show up on their servers. This is accomplished by a read-only server that takes feeds from APRS-IS and the CWOP servers. It is this feed that aprs.fi is using to populate its database. There is not bidirectional operation here; this is unidirectional to the read-only server and then database applications like findU and aprs.fi can pull their information from there or from APRS-IS (or both).

Hope this helps explain what you are seeing and why it won't affect your everyday operation. Basically, APRS-IS and CWOP go to a read-only server which can only be accessed by a database server or other server software that doesn't feed back into either network. Even if the CWOP traffic was fed back in, it would be blocked at the core servers as they do not use validated logins.

73,

Pete AE5PL


Re: Weather stations

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

g4ilo wrote:

Crikey! You don't just get great software on this group but also an APRS degree education. :)

Yep, my motto is to learn one new thing each day. And once I accomplish that, I can go back to bed saving the rest of the learning for tomorrow!

Lynn, thanks for the answer and explanation. However if I understand correctly, if I do that my visibility on other networks will suffer and also by ability to send/receive APRS messages. I'm very keen on APRS messaging so it would not be worth sacrificing that just for the sake of receiving the weather stations.
Precisely my understanding and much better said than my dissertation! And it's only the additional CWOP stations. Ham-operated stations are still on the APRS-IS servers.

Oh, and you can run TWO instances of ARPSIS32 if you want. Just start them in different directories, give them different -SSIDs, different filters, and even different APRS-IS server specs. You can even leave the Password as -1 and have a read-only viewer of the CWOP server! But you'll need to use an explicit lat/lon range filter rather that the default Me filter because the server won't know where Me is with a -1 password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Re: Weather stations

g4ilo
 

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

If you want the CWOP data, just change <APRSServer> to one of the
servers listed at the first link above. Please either save a copy of
your original .XML file or at least write down what the setting was
before changing it. If all else fails, just delete the .XML file and
restart the client. A new one will be created automatically with
default values.
Crikey! You don't just get great software on this group but also an APRS degree education. :)

Lynn, thanks for the answer and explanation. However if I understand correctly, if I do that my visibility on other networks will suffer and also by ability to send/receive APRS messages. I'm very keen on APRS messaging so it would not be worth sacrificing that just for the sake of receiving the weather stations.

Julian, G4ILO


Re: Weather stations

David Shrum
 

Thanks Lynn,
I noticed it got re-written that's why I ask.

Dave N8PU

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:27 AM
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Weather stations

Dave,

Yes and No. XML supports comments in the form:

<!-- This is a comment and can have anything inside it -->

but if you want to knock out a tag, I think you do something like this:

<!-- <APRSServer>rotate.aprs2.net</APRSServer> -->

That's the Yes part. The No part is a resounding NO because currently
my client simply re-writes the XML file whenever parameters are changed
within the program and especially when the program ends. The XML file
is not modified, but is parsed into a binary form when the program
starts and is completely recreated from scratch with only the
program-aware tags re-written.

So, you can feel free to put comments in the file but it's like an ant
trying to move a rubber tree plant, it'll have no effect as they'll just
disappear the next time the client is executed.

I'm not even sure the xml parser even shows the comments to my program,
but I'll see if I can do some experimentation in that regard.

In the meantime, just make a copy of the .XML file, play with it, and if
you don't like the results, just copy the original file back in to the
proper name. At least it's better than the "new" Windows programs that
store everything in the registry where it's hard to see, change, and
certainly save/restore a set of parameters!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

David Shrum wrote:
Lynn,
Do you know if there is a way to 'remark' (REM) out a line in the .XML
file
so we could experiment with different filters or stuff like that without
having to remember what was changed? In olden' days when batch files were
the thing you could 'rem' out a line without deleting it so if you didn't
like the changes or whatever you could un-rem the line and everything back
to the way it was.

Inquiring minds want to know, :)

Dave N8PU



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Re: Weather stations

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Dave,

Yes and No. XML supports comments in the form:

<!-- This is a comment and can have anything inside it -->

but if you want to knock out a tag, I think you do something like this:

<!-- <APRSServer>rotate.aprs2.net</APRSServer> -->

That's the Yes part. The No part is a resounding NO because currently
my client simply re-writes the XML file whenever parameters are changed
within the program and especially when the program ends. The XML file
is not modified, but is parsed into a binary form when the program
starts and is completely recreated from scratch with only the
program-aware tags re-written.

So, you can feel free to put comments in the file but it's like an ant
trying to move a rubber tree plant, it'll have no effect as they'll just
disappear the next time the client is executed.

I'm not even sure the xml parser even shows the comments to my program,
but I'll see if I can do some experimentation in that regard.

In the meantime, just make a copy of the .XML file, play with it, and if
you don't like the results, just copy the original file back in to the
proper name. At least it's better than the "new" Windows programs that
store everything in the registry where it's hard to see, change, and
certainly save/restore a set of parameters!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

David Shrum wrote:

Lynn,
Do you know if there is a way to 'remark' (REM) out a line in the .XML file
so we could experiment with different filters or stuff like that without
having to remember what was changed? In olden' days when batch files were
the thing you could 'rem' out a line without deleting it so if you didn't
like the changes or whatever you could un-rem the line and everything back
to the way it was.

Inquiring minds want to know, :)

Dave N8PU