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Re: APRSISCE/32 No FIX

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Broncus wrote:
Hi Lynn,

Down in the lower right corner I see a "NO FIX" label. I suspect I know what it means but I don't think I should be seeing it.

Any hints?
It means that you have GPS enabled and aren't getting a fix. If you're on Win32 and have configured an NMEA GPS, it may mean that it isn't even connected. Are you seeing Satellites in the bottom bars (if you have them enabled) or does it also say "N/A"? I don't reliably re-connected with Bluetooth GPS, so you might have to toggle the GPS Enable off and back on.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


Re: Anyone using a TNC and have it working?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

kb0npw wrote:
I am thoroughly impressed with APRSIS32, and I hope it develops into something even better. There are only a handful of features missing that I used in UI-View32. I think I may have made a permanent switch.
Can you give me a short list of the features you miss from UI-View32? I'm trying to prioritze development to meet the needs/desires of most UI-View users, and not having used it for more than a month or two myself, I'm really not aware of what was useful and what wasn't.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


APRSISCE/32 No FIX

Fred Hillhouse
 

Hi Lynn,

Down in the lower right corner I see a "NO FIX" label. I suspect I know what it means but I don't think I should be seeing it.

Any hints?

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


Re: Anyone using a TNC and have it working?

kb0npw <kenny@...>
 

Derek, I am having just the opposite problem. I have my Kantronics KPC-3 running just fine with APRSIS32 in text mode, but can't get it to work with UI-View since I upgraded to a new laptop with Win7. I never had any issues with WinXP.

I am thoroughly impressed with APRSIS32, and I hope it develops into something even better. There are only a handful of features missing that I used in UI-View32. I think I may have made a permanent switch.

Kenny

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Derek,

Can you Enable Debug Logging and send me a copy of the APRSIS32.LOG and
APRSIS32.XML at KJ4ERJ@...? The sequence is:

1) Turn on Enables / Debug Logging
2) Close the client
3) Restart the client
4) Wait for a bit during which time stations will show up and the KISS
thread should connect
5) Close the client
6) Grab a copy of APRSIS32.LOG and *.XML from the default directory and
e-mail it to me.

Repeat the same thing with the TNC in TEXT mode (or KISS if the first
one was with TEXT) and APRSIS32 configured appropriately.

Hopefully there'll be something in the .LOG file that will help me
figure out what's going on. I've got a ToDo item to make debugging
these connections easier, but it hasn't been addressed yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

m1arf wrote:
Hi all,

I have just tried to setup a Kamtonics KPC3 TNC on my laptop.
Set Comm port up in Kiss configuration and enabled it (Kiss that is).
TNC does not appear to be talking to APRSIS32, have run Ui-Veiw with same TNC and Comm port all OK. Have run Hyperterminal with same TNC and Comm port all OK.
I have also tried to run the TNC in Text mode but that does not work either.
Has anybody any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Derek M1ARF.




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Re: Minor details.

Fred Hillhouse
 

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "g4ilo" <julian.g4ilo@...> wrote:



--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Maybe a sexy name contest is in order. ;)
Got a suggestion, I'll consider it, although APRSISCE/32 isn't that bad,
is it?
How about APRSXE (APRS - Sexy)? :)
Works for me!


Re: APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

Fred Hillhouse
 

Yes, the T2 is the same as my T2-135 which I used in a similar mode,
although I don't have the luxury of running the Nuvi 350 and KISS at the
same time. I'm still considering bringing the second port out the rear
connector on my Alinco DR-135 so that I can keep one port in Garmin mode
for the Nuvi and the other port in KISS mode for a BlueTooth to serial
link to APRSISCE on my cellphone.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ
I added the GTRANS to my T2 and it was worth it!

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


Re: APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

Fred Hillhouse
 

Hi Craig,

I don't think so. I was able to send myself two emails today without going anywhere to sign up, etc. It didn't seem to work in TEXT mode but i would have to try that again to be sure.

To receive messages through APRS beyond my local area (within radio earshot) teh message does have to pass through an I-Gate. The I-Gate does have to be configured to pass IS to RF messages. One of the local operators will not configure his machine to do that. So it will be handled a different way.

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, Craig Leventhal <craigjl1965@...> wrote:

Fred,

I could be mistaken, but from what I recall reading or seeing on the net about receiving APRS "emails" is that their was some kind of whitelist setting, maybe I 'm getting this mixed up with Airmail.


Craig - KI6WLP




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From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...>
To: aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 2:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

 
Fred Hillhouse wrote:
I am running a Tracker2 mainly as a tracker in my vehicle. Prior to
APRSISCE, I used SmartPalm running on a Palm M130. With SmartPalm, it
left the Tracker2 Settings alone and I used it mainly to see other
traffic and send an occasionally message. With an acquisition of a
laptop, I am now running APRSISCE.
I suspect you mean APRSIS32, but that's ok. They're the same source
code with two different platform builds and very few features in one
that are not in the other.

I had TEXT enabled and could see other stations appear and such but
sending a message (EMAIL) never seemed to work. At lunch I
re-configured the T2 and APRSISCE for KISS and the messaging worked. I
did notice that it kept trying to send. I only know it worked because
when I got back to my office, I had each email I sent myself.
I suspect that there were no bi-directional, transmitting IGates in your
area, but there was a receiving IGate. The acknowledgments from EMAIL-2
were not getting back to the client, so it did 5 retransmissions (I'm
guessing). Even the EMAIL-2 confirmation message was probably not
delivered to the RF environment where you were listening.

You can confirm that stations are actually being received from RF and
not -IS by toggling View / RF / All on. It will automatically turn off
the View / All and you should only see "recent" RF stattions after
that. Direct and Local restrict the RF view even further and can be
remotely queried by sending an APRS message containing ?APRSD or ?APRSL.

I have set APRSISCE to N7FMH-1 while the OT2 is N7FMH-9. Should they
be different? Both are appearing on APRS.FI.
Yes, they should be different and this is good. I use -12 for my
APRSISCE/32 client based on the recommendations I copied into
http://aprsisce. wikidot.com/ ssids

My intention is for the T2 to operate with or without the laptop
connected so all the settings in it need to stay intact. Can I expect
this?
Yes, the T2 is the same as my T2-135 which I used in a similar mode,
although I don't have the luxury of running the Nuvi 350 and KISS at the
same time. I'm still considering bringing the second port out the rear
connector on my Alinco DR-135 so that I can keep one port in Garmin mode
for the Nuvi and the other port in KISS mode for a BlueTooth to serial
link to APRSISCE on my cellphone.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Thanks!

Best regards,
Fred



Re: Tiles and zoom and some out of topic and long

Fred Hillhouse
 

Fred Hillhouse wrote:
I haven't connected to a TNC or GPS yet since the machine doesn't connect to
either, nor will it ever. I plan on moving everything to a laptop this
weekend. This laptop has no internet connection except WiFi on my network.
The laptop is an old Compac Armada M300. It will be connected to a Tracker2
in the vehicle and any helpful tips would be appreciated. Of course I can
always experiment too. I do have an NMEA spigot on my OT2 as well as the
standard serial port running KISS.
If you want APRSIS32 to be generating beacons, you'll need to feed it
NMEA GPS on one port and the KISS on another. I don't interleave the
two. Of course, if you want to use APRSIS32 and can configure the OT2
to forward internally generated beacons out the KISS port, you can use
just the single connection.

The T2 doesn't interleave the GPS NMEA data into the KISS stream either. Not enough memory. I think the TT4 does now but only in TEXT mode.

I added a GTRANS inside my T2 for the purpose of supplying NMEA out. I think I documented it on the T2 WIKI as well. Now the serial port supplies GPS data (Garmin Protocol), a PC interface (KISS) and NMEA. I built a 3 headed serial to support it as well. It works as planned. I shuld be able to exchange the current GPS (Garmin GPS V) nd just continue on like nothing happened. actually I might just throw a mouse type on and forget about it but then I wouldn't have maps when the lpatop wasn't present.


I saw this embedded in the Digest version:
"I'm not even sure the program can total space utilization over 2GB as I'm
not sure how big my variable and never expected someone to download that
many tiles before the purger started removing old ones!"

Do you have a tile limitation with the Windows version? I would probably
only limit tiles to drive space. I am finding I will more trips coming up
and it would be nice to not lose previous downloaded tiles.
The 2GB report was reading the wrong numbers somewhere. I currently
have no limits on anything, but have a ToDo item to stop the tile
downloader if the free space on the target drive falls below some
configurable limit. The most I've ever consumed on my laptop with
browsing around the world and zooming in and out all over the place was
500MB or so.
That is excellent news. I did override the purger already. I found that information in an older post.


Have you considered the USGS tiles from the TerraServer as well? This might
be a very useful tool for SAR.
Many other on-line tile sources have restrictions that I could not (in
conscience) live with. I do not remember what all I looked at, but
OpenStreetMap.org was the only one I found that was EXPLICITLY open to
everything I was doing and planning to do with map tiles (real-time GPS
use, local caching, pre-fetching). And on top of that, if there were
errors in a user's area, they could just sign up at OSM and put the fix
in for themselves!
The topos are based on maps that were done up to the 70's or maybe a bit later. The aerials are newer and the URBAN aerials are even newer but not available for everywhere. They also have better resolution. They have the 1/4M per pixel. I use the topo for the layout of the land more than for street anyway. And the earth really hasn't changed a whole lot since they were done. ;)

Have you considered being able to use scanned maps? I recently checked out a
universal map downloaded. I have made a couple of maps using a variety of
tiles. SAR might find this useful as well.
I have a ToDo item to support UI-View-type tagged images as background
maps. If you've got 'em, I'm hoping to be able to use 'em.
I have never used UI-View mainly because it was only recently I found a laptop for mobile use. So I don't have any clue what is needed there.

I use ExpertGPS (E-GPS) for the majority of my mapping needs. Actually, this
is what I compare all other map software to. I have the GIS and CAD option
pack. I have been using it for almost as long as it has been out.

My E-GPS topo and aerial tile collection is a good size.
Type 1 (aerial) 3.79GB on disk in 442,587 Files, 72 Folders Type 2 (topo)
5.18GB on disk in 350,089 Files, 65 Folders Type 4 (urban) 68.2MB on disk in
11,488 files, 26 folders
Given that data size, it sounds like an expensive program to be
comparing "all other map software to"? Remember, APRSIS32 isn't
intended to be a mapping solution, it's an APRS communications solution
that happens to support maps as backgrounds for the realtime data display.
Actually the software is $59.95 for the basic version. It comes with zero maps. If you want GIS or CAD support, then it is only a bit more. Geobuddy for geocaching is also $59.95. Check out ExpertGPS. There is a 30-day trial available. If for no other reason than to run it for comparison. I download just about every mapping package. Except for Xastir, I don't have any real knowledge of Linux yet.

You may have seen references to esyGPS on the Tracker2 forum. It is an excellent tool for managing waypoits on a GPS. I used it originally myself for that purpose.

You are right about your intended use. I can except that. Other tiles just might be a reasonable option, again for SAR and such.

I have grabbed most of the tiles in the area I travel in on a regular basis
(commuting, day trips and camping). I also grab tiles along the routes of
longer trips, such as my trip to Arkansas. If your software could use these
tiles as well... ;)
My software will use any 256x256 tiles that adhere to the "Slippy Map"
tile naming and hierarchical store format. See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames for more
information. Just be aware that if you point APRSIS32 to another
hierarchy of map tiles, the purger might delete things that you wanted
to keep and the fetcher may fill in any holes from OSM!
I will have to read about this "Slippy" thingie. I have heard about it briefly on another forum.

I think the USGS tiles on the Teraserver are different in size (200x200?) and right off hand I couldn't tell you what projection they are in.


I also have a collection of scanned maps that provide additional
entertainment. I am now experimenting with the universal map downloader to
create a 'scanned' map.
Be aware that some of the new "universal map downloader" software goes
directly against the licenses provided for some of their on-line data
sources. I specifically avoided any complicancy (sp?) with such
approaches as I have no desire to be party to a suit involving my
software as an "enabler" of copyright violations. Hence my support for
only OSM.
I noticed the license and won't be purchasing it mainly for that reason.

As for as enabling, if someone wanted to use maps generated from Google or other source, it wouldn't take much effort to make them useful with the software you already have. I understand the OSM tiles and the Google tiles are the same size already and they are referenced to same too. But that is your call and I am good with that. Besides, if OSM has street maps, then the only useful ones for me are the terrain series. I think the topos have them beat.

The scanned maps I am using are those I scan myself and those provided to the boating society for navigating waterways and such. They are labeled 'not for navigational use'. But that is okay because I use then on land to learn about them and to identify offshore points, like lighthouses, rock outcroppings, etc. I hope to get out on a kayak at some point. Scaned maps do require a calibration. E-GPS allows for a 3-point cal. These may or not fit in the ARPS scheme of things.


The E-GPS tile tool as a rectangular box that one draws on the screen and
the selected resolutions are auto magically downloaded. This usually ends up
with a nice collection of tiles that are not needed. Or one can just update
the location on the screen and tiles are downloaded. I recently have put
together a program to simulate a GPS so that E-GPS will get the tiles as the
position is updated. I have to run a route multiple times to get the
different resolutions but it only gets those that are needed to fill the
monitor and a few extra. I can provide a better description of my process if
needed.
Yes, can you tell me if it covers the entire area at all of the selected
resolutions with the accompanying geometric expansion of the number of
tiles per layer? Or does it keep a constant area as it zooms into the
extended detail?
If a rectangle is drawn on the map, then the retriever will allow the user to grab any and all tiles at any zoom selected. The rectangle can be any size. While the rectangle is useful, another package (USAPhotomaps-TerraFetcher) allows drawing a polygon and grabbing those within it or creating a route and retrieving along the route.

The retrieval tool is really easy to use but I think the Terraserver has some sort of maximum rate or something. After a larger number of tiles have been downloaded, it seems to slow down the serving of tiles. But I have neither timed it or found a way to measure it. So grabbing large amounts is practical for a limited amount for time. Or it might be caused by my PC going into screen save mode. I don't really know. I just don't grab everything for an entire state (I do have all of NH and large portions of ME, MA and VT). I would bet the OSM server might slow down retrieval as well if someone was going for a whole enchilada or two wth rice and beans included. But at least with tile purging off (for /32), that should only be a single downloading event.

I outline 1x1 degree at a time in the topos and will repeat the grab with a smaller set of aerials. I find the aerial to be less interesting. Part of that is because of my interest of taking the 4x4 off the pavement. Aerials are not much use there.

Lately for my trips, I just use my simulator. I find it works just fine. Currently, it takes a bit of work but that is going to change this week. I do a couple of conversions to get the data into a specific format with Excel. The software is changing to do it without any extra effort.

The simulator does require two serial ports at this time. There should be a way to emulate a serial, I haven't explored it yet. In theory, I shouldn't need anything but a virtual port.


APRSIS32 will fetch the current zoom level and the
ones above and below it (4x below) as you drag the screen around. If
you wait the for yellow circle (background fetch queue progress
indicator) to finish expanding, before dragging again, you can manually
fetch two levels of maps. Your GPS simulator will do the same thing,
provided it moves slowly enough for the fetcher to keep up.
I have a select delay. When I am playing back NMEA data I set it to the rate it was saved at. When I built the NMEA sentence (only RMC at this point) I very the rate to allow for more download time. I usually do this when other things are getting done like eating, sleeping, etc. It has worked quite nicely for APRSISCE/32. When it is in better shape for general use, I would be happy to provide the simulator to those interested.


I have also played with USAPhotoMaps so I have a tile collection for that as
well. Someone wrote a tile grabber that works, mostly. There is a bug or
two. It only works within a UTM zone at a time and with a limited number of
points for routes.
UTM Zone? I'm not familiar with that term?
Rather than mess up an explaination:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Transverse_Mercator_coordinate_system



Appreciate your work on this software!
And I appreciate the considered questions and suggestions, as long as
you understand that I might take them or leave them on the table!
That goes without saying. I am happy to have found your work and am looking forward to its future!

I jsut hope I don't wear out my welcome with questions and requests! ;)

I am looking forward to my next day to AR. I know have a laptop for mapping and such. With your software, it will be very cool!

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


Re: APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

Craig Leventhal
 

Fred,
 
I could be mistaken, but from what I recall reading or seeing on the net about receiving APRS "emails" is that their was some kind of whitelist setting, maybe I 'm getting this mixed up with Airmail.
 
 
Craig - KI6WLP


From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
To: aprsisce@...
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 2:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

 

Fred Hillhouse wrote:
> I am running a Tracker2 mainly as a tracker in my vehicle. Prior to
> APRSISCE, I used SmartPalm running on a Palm M130. With SmartPalm, it
> left the Tracker2 Settings alone and I used it mainly to see other
> traffic and send an occasionally message. With an acquisition of a
> laptop, I am now running APRSISCE.

I suspect you mean APRSIS32, but that's ok. They're the same source
code with two different platform builds and very few features in one
that are not in the other.

> I had TEXT enabled and could see other stations appear and such but
> sending a message (EMAIL) never seemed to work. At lunch I
> re-configured the T2 and APRSISCE for KISS and the messaging worked. I
> did notice that it kept trying to send. I only know it worked because
> when I got back to my office, I had each email I sent myself.

I suspect that there were no bi-directional, transmitting IGates in your
area, but there was a receiving IGate. The acknowledgments from EMAIL-2
were not getting back to the client, so it did 5 retransmissions (I'm
guessing). Even the EMAIL-2 confirmation message was probably not
delivered to the RF environment where you were listening.

You can confirm that stations are actually being received from RF and
not -IS by toggling View / RF / All on. It will automatically turn off
the View / All and you should only see "recent" RF stattions after
that. Direct and Local restrict the RF view even further and can be
remotely queried by sending an APRS message containing ?APRSD or ?APRSL.

> I have set APRSISCE to N7FMH-1 while the OT2 is N7FMH-9. Should they
> be different? Both are appearing on APRS.FI.

Yes, they should be different and this is good. I use -12 for my
APRSISCE/32 client based on the recommendations I copied into
http://aprsisce. wikidot.com/ ssids

> My intention is for the T2 to operate with or without the laptop
> connected so all the settings in it need to stay intact. Can I expect
> this?

Yes, the T2 is the same as my T2-135 which I used in a similar mode,
although I don't have the luxury of running the Nuvi 350 and KISS at the
same time. I'm still considering bringing the second port out the rear
connector on my Alinco DR-135 so that I can keep one port in Garmin mode
for the Nuvi and the other port in KISS mode for a BlueTooth to serial
link to APRSISCE on my cellphone.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

>
> Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
> Fred
>
>
>



Re: Minor details.

Fred Hillhouse
 

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Fred Hillhouse wrote:

This was James comments for quick referral:
"I use a program called RadioMobile that also uses the OSM tiles for
creating a background map. RadioMobile saves the tiles in almost the
exact same way as APRSIS32, but with just a slight naming difference.
APRSIS32 uses a file structure such as OSM12/748/1334.png whereas
RadioMobile saves the exact same tile under the file structure
12/748/1334.png."

I notice this in the XML:
<OSM.Path>d:&#92;APRSISCE&#92;OSMTiles&#92;</OSM.Path>

Maybe James can edit this line to support RadioMobile and APRSISCE?
If James sould just put a &#92; at the end of his OSM.Path, he would find
that the file structures are identical. However, if you point
APRSISCE/32 to the same directory as another program, be aware that
tiles will be fetched and purged as if they were owned by APRSISCE/32.
This may or may not be desired behavior. The tile naming and directory
structure are documented at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ
Of course the XML can be changed to disable purging. I did that for myself just so the tiles stay.

Best regards,
Fred


Re: APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Fred Hillhouse wrote:
I am running a Tracker2 mainly as a tracker in my vehicle. Prior to APRSISCE, I used SmartPalm running on a Palm M130. With SmartPalm, it left the Tracker2 Settings alone and I used it mainly to see other traffic and send an occasionally message. With an acquisition of a laptop, I am now running APRSISCE.
I suspect you mean APRSIS32, but that's ok. They're the same source code with two different platform builds and very few features in one that are not in the other.

I had TEXT enabled and could see other stations appear and such but sending a message (EMAIL) never seemed to work. At lunch I re-configured the T2 and APRSISCE for KISS and the messaging worked. I did notice that it kept trying to send. I only know it worked because when I got back to my office, I had each email I sent myself.
I suspect that there were no bi-directional, transmitting IGates in your area, but there was a receiving IGate. The acknowledgments from EMAIL-2 were not getting back to the client, so it did 5 retransmissions (I'm guessing). Even the EMAIL-2 confirmation message was probably not delivered to the RF environment where you were listening.

You can confirm that stations are actually being received from RF and not -IS by toggling View / RF / All on. It will automatically turn off the View / All and you should only see "recent" RF stattions after that. Direct and Local restrict the RF view even further and can be remotely queried by sending an APRS message containing ?APRSD or ?APRSL.

I have set APRSISCE to N7FMH-1 while the OT2 is N7FMH-9. Should they be different? Both are appearing on APRS.FI.
Yes, they should be different and this is good. I use -12 for my APRSISCE/32 client based on the recommendations I copied into http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/ssids

My intention is for the T2 to operate with or without the laptop connected so all the settings in it need to stay intact. Can I expect this?
Yes, the T2 is the same as my T2-135 which I used in a similar mode, although I don't have the luxury of running the Nuvi 350 and KISS at the same time. I'm still considering bringing the second port out the rear connector on my Alinco DR-135 so that I can keep one port in Garmin mode for the Nuvi and the other port in KISS mode for a BlueTooth to serial link to APRSISCE on my cellphone.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

Thanks!
Best regards,
Fred



Re: xml file and Vista

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

andy_g0mni wrote:
Hi Lynn I have used note pad to edit and saved the altered file I just had to zoom into the location that I wanted clicked on screen selected prefered and save and now when I start its at my home location thanks for your help
Be aware that just because the display is centered on your desired position, that doesn't mean that your beacons are going out with that position. I'm working on a new version that will make the current center status visible and also a few new menu options to take you back to centered and tracking on your own position.

What callsign-SSID is this and if you look at aprs.fi does it have you in the proper location?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ



--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

andy_g0mni wrote:

Hi I am running the win32 version of aprsisce and after editing the xml file, aprsisce either refuses to run or writes a new xml file so I cannot change either my location or symbol.My OS is Vista Home edition
You must use a plain text editor to edit the XML file. After editing, open the file in Internet Explorer and see if it reports any errors. Also, in the current version, you cannot use a symbol of & (black diamond G or with overlay) as my config saver fails to XML-encode it. The next version will allow that symbol to be used.

If this doesn't help, please send me a copy of your original XML file and the one you've edited (copied before the client overwrites it, of course). to KJ4ERJ@...

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




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Re: Tiles and zoom and some out of topic and long

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Sometimes Yahoo seems to sit on postings and introduce them to groups days, and sometimes even weeks later. I sometimes think one of their servers goes out to lunch sitting on a few messages that magically appear when the finally notice the non-responsive server.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

Fred Hillhouse wrote:



This was supposed to go on 02/26. Interesting!

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*From:* aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Fred Hillhouse
*Sent:* Monday, March 01, 2010 10:06
*To:* aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [aprsisce] Tiles and zoom and some out of topic and long


Hi Lynn,

Just downloaded the Windows version yesterday at lunch. Pretty
slick! I am
looking forward to getting it running mobile.

I haven't connected to a TNC or GPS yet since the machine doesn't
connect to
either, nor will it ever. I plan on moving everything to a laptop this
weekend. This laptop has no internet connection except WiFi on my
network.
The laptop is an old Compac Armada M300. It will be connected to a
Tracker2
in the vehicle and any helpful tips would be appreciated. Of
course I can
always experiment too. I do have an NMEA spigot on my OT2 as well
as the
standard serial port running KISS.

I saw this embedded in the Digest version:
"I'm not even sure the program can total space utilization over
2GB as I'm
not sure how big my variable and never expected someone to
download that
many tiles before the purger started removing old ones!"

Do you have a tile limitation with the Windows version? I would
probably
only limit tiles to drive space. I am finding I will more trips
coming up
and it would be nice to not lose previous downloaded tiles.

A tile grabber utility would be useful for people without a mobile
internet
connection. If there is one, sorry, I didn't see it. There is more
discussion concerning this below about what I have used and have
done in the
past.

Have you considered the USGS tiles from the TerraServer as well?
This might
be a very useful tool for SAR.

Have you considered being able to use scanned maps? I recently
checked out a
universal map downloaded. I have made a couple of maps using a
variety of
tiles. SAR might find this useful as well.

I have to check this out:
"Reversed the Zoom +/- behavior (no cheers, just beers (but I'm a
tea-totaler!))"

So, just how many teas have you totaled? ;) Have you ever totaled
a licorice
tea? Yum!

Actually, the zoom change I will have to check out. The version
running as
of yesterday seemed backwards but I didn't follow up with it.
Interesting
enough, the PS3 calls my joystick action 'reversed' as do most FPS
games.
This does not make sense to me. Isn't the stick pushed forward to
fly a
plane into the earth?

I use ExpertGPS (E-GPS) for the majority of my mapping needs.
Actually, this
is what I compare all other map software to. I have the GIS and
CAD option
pack. I have been using it for almost as long as it has been out.

My E-GPS topo and aerial tile collection is a good size.
Type 1 (aerial) 3.79GB on disk in 442,587 Files, 72 Folders Type 2
(topo)
5.18GB on disk in 350,089 Files, 65 Folders Type 4 (urban) 68.2MB
on disk in
11,488 files, 26 folders

I have grabbed most of the tiles in the area I travel in on a
regular basis
(commuting, day trips and camping). I also grab tiles along the
routes of
longer trips, such as my trip to Arkansas. If your software could
use these
tiles as well... ;)

I also have a collection of scanned maps that provide additional
entertainment. I am now experimenting with the universal map
downloader to
create a 'scanned' map.

The E-GPS tile tool as a rectangular box that one draws on the
screen and
the selected resolutions are auto magically downloaded. This
usually ends up
with a nice collection of tiles that are not needed. Or one can
just update
the location on the screen and tiles are downloaded. I recently
have put
together a program to simulate a GPS so that E-GPS will get the
tiles as the
position is updated. I have to run a route multiple times to get the
different resolutions but it only gets those that are needed to
fill the
monitor and a few extra. I can provide a better description of my
process if
needed.

I have also played with USAPhotoMaps so I have a tile collection
for that as
well. Someone wrote a tile grabber that works, mostly. There is a
bug or
two. It only works within a UTM zone at a time and with a limited
number of
points for routes.

Appreciate your work on this software!

Thanks!

Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH




Re: Tiles and zoom and some out of topic and long

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Fred Hillhouse wrote:
I haven't connected to a TNC or GPS yet since the machine doesn't connect to
either, nor will it ever. I plan on moving everything to a laptop this
weekend. This laptop has no internet connection except WiFi on my network.
The laptop is an old Compac Armada M300. It will be connected to a Tracker2
in the vehicle and any helpful tips would be appreciated. Of course I can
always experiment too. I do have an NMEA spigot on my OT2 as well as the
standard serial port running KISS.
If you want APRSIS32 to be generating beacons, you'll need to feed it
NMEA GPS on one port and the KISS on another. I don't interleave the
two. Of course, if you want to use APRSIS32 and can configure the OT2
to forward internally generated beacons out the KISS port, you can use
just the single connection.

I saw this embedded in the Digest version:
"I'm not even sure the program can total space utilization over 2GB as I'm
not sure how big my variable and never expected someone to download that
many tiles before the purger started removing old ones!"

Do you have a tile limitation with the Windows version? I would probably
only limit tiles to drive space. I am finding I will more trips coming up
and it would be nice to not lose previous downloaded tiles.
The 2GB report was reading the wrong numbers somewhere. I currently
have no limits on anything, but have a ToDo item to stop the tile
downloader if the free space on the target drive falls below some
configurable limit. The most I've ever consumed on my laptop with
browsing around the world and zooming in and out all over the place was
500MB or so.

A tile grabber utility would be useful for people without a mobile internet
connection. If there is one, sorry, I didn't see it. There is more
discussion concerning this below about what I have used and have done in the
past.
APRSIS32 includes the ability to pre-fetch tiles as well as the ability
to turn off the tile fetcher and set the maximum age of the cached
tiles. You are in control, although the tile age setting requires a
manual edit of the XML configuration file at the current time.

Have you considered the USGS tiles from the TerraServer as well? This might
be a very useful tool for SAR.
Many other on-line tile sources have restrictions that I could not (in
conscience) live with. I do not remember what all I looked at, but
OpenStreetMap.org was the only one I found that was EXPLICITLY open to
everything I was doing and planning to do with map tiles (real-time GPS
use, local caching, pre-fetching). And on top of that, if there were
errors in a user's area, they could just sign up at OSM and put the fix
in for themselves!

Have you considered being able to use scanned maps? I recently checked out a
universal map downloaded. I have made a couple of maps using a variety of
tiles. SAR might find this useful as well.
I have a ToDo item to support UI-View-type tagged images as background
maps. If you've got 'em, I'm hoping to be able to use 'em.

I use ExpertGPS (E-GPS) for the majority of my mapping needs. Actually, this
is what I compare all other map software to. I have the GIS and CAD option
pack. I have been using it for almost as long as it has been out.

My E-GPS topo and aerial tile collection is a good size.
Type 1 (aerial) 3.79GB on disk in 442,587 Files, 72 Folders Type 2 (topo)
5.18GB on disk in 350,089 Files, 65 Folders Type 4 (urban) 68.2MB on disk in
11,488 files, 26 folders
Given that data size, it sounds like an expensive program to be
comparing "all other map software to"? Remember, APRSIS32 isn't
intended to be a mapping solution, it's an APRS communications solution
that happens to support maps as backgrounds for the realtime data display.

I have grabbed most of the tiles in the area I travel in on a regular basis
(commuting, day trips and camping). I also grab tiles along the routes of
longer trips, such as my trip to Arkansas. If your software could use these
tiles as well... ;)
My software will use any 256x256 tiles that adhere to the "Slippy Map"
tile naming and hierarchical store format. See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames for more
information. Just be aware that if you point APRSIS32 to another
hierarchy of map tiles, the purger might delete things that you wanted
to keep and the fetcher may fill in any holes from OSM!

I also have a collection of scanned maps that provide additional
entertainment. I am now experimenting with the universal map downloader to
create a 'scanned' map.
Be aware that some of the new "universal map downloader" software goes
directly against the licenses provided for some of their on-line data
sources. I specifically avoided any complicancy (sp?) with such
approaches as I have no desire to be party to a suit involving my
software as an "enabler" of copyright violations. Hence my support for
only OSM.

The E-GPS tile tool as a rectangular box that one draws on the screen and
the selected resolutions are auto magically downloaded. This usually ends up
with a nice collection of tiles that are not needed. Or one can just update
the location on the screen and tiles are downloaded. I recently have put
together a program to simulate a GPS so that E-GPS will get the tiles as the
position is updated. I have to run a route multiple times to get the
different resolutions but it only gets those that are needed to fill the
monitor and a few extra. I can provide a better description of my process if
needed.
Yes, can you tell me if it covers the entire area at all of the selected
resolutions with the accompanying geometric expansion of the number of
tiles per layer? Or does it keep a constant area as it zooms into the
extended detail? APRSIS32 will fetch the current zoom level and the
ones above and below it (4x below) as you drag the screen around. If
you wait the for yellow circle (background fetch queue progress
indicator) to finish expanding, before dragging again, you can manually
fetch two levels of maps. Your GPS simulator will do the same thing,
provided it moves slowly enough for the fetcher to keep up.

I have also played with USAPhotoMaps so I have a tile collection for that as
well. Someone wrote a tile grabber that works, mostly. There is a bug or
two. It only works within a UTM zone at a time and with a limited number of
points for routes.
UTM Zone? I'm not familiar with that term?

Appreciate your work on this software!
And I appreciate the considered questions and suggestions, as long as
you understand that I might take them or leave them on the table!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

Thanks!


Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH



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Re: Minor details.

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Fred Hillhouse wrote:

This was James comments for quick referral:
"I use a program called RadioMobile that also uses the OSM tiles for
creating a background map. RadioMobile saves the tiles in almost the
exact same way as APRSIS32, but with just a slight naming difference.
APRSIS32 uses a file structure such as OSM12/748/1334.png whereas
RadioMobile saves the exact same tile under the file structure
12/748/1334.png."

I notice this in the XML:
<OSM.Path>d:&#92;APRSISCE&#92;OSMTiles&#92;</OSM.Path>

Maybe James can edit this line to support RadioMobile and APRSISCE?
If James sould just put a &#92; at the end of his OSM.Path, he would find that the file structures are identical. However, if you point APRSISCE/32 to the same directory as another program, be aware that tiles will be fetched and purged as if they were owned by APRSISCE/32. This may or may not be desired behavior. The tile naming and directory structure are documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


APRSISCE and OpenTracker2

Fred Hillhouse
 

Hi Lynn,,
 
I am running a Tracker2 mainly as a tracker in my vehicle. Prior to APRSISCE, I used SmartPalm running on a Palm M130. With SmartPalm, it left the Tracker2 Settings alone and I used it mainly to see other traffic and send an occasionally message. With an acquisition of a laptop, I am now running APRSISCE.
 
I had TEXT enabled and could see other stations appear and such but sending a message (EMAIL) never seemed to work. At lunch I re-configured the T2 and APRSISCE for KISS and the messaging worked. I did notice that it kept trying to send. I only know it worked because when I got back to my office, I had each email I sent myself.
 
I have set APRSISCE to N7FMH-1 while the OT2 is N7FMH-9. Should they be different? Both are appearing on APRS.FI.
 
My intention is for the T2 to operate with or without the laptop connected so all the settings in it need to stay intact. Can I expect this?
 
Thanks!
 
Best regards,
Fred


Re: xml file and Vista

andy_g0mni
 

Hi Lynn I have used note pad to edit and saved the altered file I just had to zoom into the location that I wanted clicked on screen selected prefered and save and now when I start its at my home location thanks for your help

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

andy_g0mni wrote:
Hi I am running the win32 version of aprsisce and after editing the xml file, aprsisce either refuses to run or writes a new xml file so I cannot change either my location or symbol.My OS is Vista Home edition
You must use a plain text editor to edit the XML file. After editing,
open the file in Internet Explorer and see if it reports any errors.
Also, in the current version, you cannot use a symbol of & (black
diamond G or with overlay) as my config saver fails to XML-encode it.
The next version will allow that symbol to be used.

If this doesn't help, please send me a copy of your original XML file
and the one you've edited (copied before the client overwrites it, of
course). to KJ4ERJ@...

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Tilt II MR

vencl@att.net
 

If anyone has the Tilt II, a MR has been released today. ROM ver 2.07.502.2.
One of the fixes corrects memory issues.
73
KA4EPS


Re: Anyone using a TNC and have it working?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Derek,

Can you Enable Debug Logging and send me a copy of the APRSIS32.LOG and APRSIS32.XML at KJ4ERJ@arrl.net? The sequence is:

1) Turn on Enables / Debug Logging
2) Close the client
3) Restart the client
4) Wait for a bit during which time stations will show up and the KISS thread should connect
5) Close the client
6) Grab a copy of APRSIS32.LOG and *.XML from the default directory and e-mail it to me.

Repeat the same thing with the TNC in TEXT mode (or KISS if the first one was with TEXT) and APRSIS32 configured appropriately.

Hopefully there'll be something in the .LOG file that will help me figure out what's going on. I've got a ToDo item to make debugging these connections easier, but it hasn't been addressed yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

m1arf wrote:

Hi all,

I have just tried to setup a Kamtonics KPC3 TNC on my laptop.
Set Comm port up in Kiss configuration and enabled it (Kiss that is).
TNC does not appear to be talking to APRSIS32, have run Ui-Veiw with same TNC and Comm port all OK. Have run Hyperterminal with same TNC and Comm port all OK.
I have also tried to run the TNC in Text mode but that does not work either.
Has anybody any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Derek M1ARF.




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Re: Minor details.

Charles Doughtie
 

With a 5, not S. My license plates draw some strange comments.




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--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Fred Hillhouse wrote:

From: Fred Hillhouse
Subject: RE: [aprsisce] Re: Minor details.
To: aprsisce@...
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Is your call sign NSEXY?
;)


From: aprsisce@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:aprsisce@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Charles Doughtie
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:29
To: aprsisce@yahoogroup s.com
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] Re: Minor details.

 



--- On Mon, 3/1/10, g4ilo wrote:

From: g4ilo Subject: [aprsisce] Re: Minor details.
To: aprsisce@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 4:11 AM

 



--- In aprsisce@yahoogroup s.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" wrote:

> > Maybe a sexy name contest is in order. ;)
> >
>
> Got a suggestion, I'll consider it, although APRSISCE/32 isn't that bad,
> is it?

How about APRSXE (APRS - Sexy)? :)


Sounds neat to me - -

de N5exy