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HTC Mogul PPC-6800

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Is anyone out there running the subject device with APRSISCE? Even failing that, does anyone know if it actually contains a GPS? The review below doesn't mention it even though it seems to be fairly detailed.

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/HTC-Mogul.htm

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. If you have one, be cautious in trying it. I have a report that it crashed a phone to the extent of needing an entire data restore. Nothing in my program should be capable of causing that extreme of a hang. At times, the program can be non-responsive (on my list to fix) when you are out of data coverage, but the Start Menu still works and Settings / System / Memory / Running Programs is always able to kill it without even rebooting the phone, let alone losing data.


Re: What phone

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

How much data you use is subject to the APRS activity in your area, the range that you configure, and how long you keep the client connected (mine is 24x7). If you double-click the screen part that normally says "APRS OK", it will give you the packets and bytes sent and received since that instance of the client was started.

A client on my desktop that has been running since 1/1 7:46 (1 day 16 hours) says 8,663,362 bytes total with a 200 mile range.

Another client running an unfiltered full feed that has been running for since 12/31 at 16:26 (2 days 4.5 hours) says 490,145,574 bytes.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - As always, YMMV!

g4ilo wrote:

Thanks. I checked on that and "unlimited" over here is subject to a fair usage restriction of 750MB / month. Would that be a problem?

I've found an HTC T3232 Touch 3G which looks OK. So I might go for that instead.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

I didn't have time to study the link you sent, but you'd also want to have an unlimited Internet service on the phone. The GPS must (currently) be supported by the Windows Mobile GPSapi. The upcoming release will be able to do NMEA GPS via direct or Bluetooth serial port.


Re: What phone

g4ilo
 

Thanks. I checked on that and "unlimited" over here is subject to a fair usage restriction of 750MB / month. Would that be a problem?

I've found an HTC T3232 Touch 3G which looks OK. So I might go for that instead.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

I didn't have time to study the link you sent, but you'd also want to
have an unlimited Internet service on the phone. The GPS must
(currently) be supported by the Windows Mobile GPSapi. The upcoming
release will be able to do NMEA GPS via direct or Bluetooth serial port.


Re: What phone

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I didn't have time to study the link you sent, but you'd also want to have an unlimited Internet service on the phone. The GPS must (currently) be supported by the Windows Mobile GPSapi. The upcoming release will be able to do NMEA GPS via direct or Bluetooth serial port.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

g4ilo wrote:

Is there anything specific besides Windows Mobile and GPS that a phone would need to have to run this? Would it run on an HP iPAQ like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Voice-Messenger-Organiser-Windows-Mobile/dp/B001NPE8LS/
Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

I developed APRSISCE for an AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTN II) and still use it on
that phone.


Re: What phone

g4ilo
 

Is there anything specific besides Windows Mobile and GPS that a phone would need to have to run this? Would it run on an HP iPAQ like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Voice-Messenger-Organiser-Windows-Mobile/dp/B001NPE8LS/

Julian, G4ILO

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

I developed APRSISCE for an AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTN II) and still use it on
that phone.


Re: What phone

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I developed APRSISCE for an AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTN II) and still use it on
that phone. I now have an extended battery on the phone and can get 3-4
hours tops with live tracking and GPS active (about a 70 mile range of
monitored space). My phone also heats up quite substantially with all
of the radios active (I keep WiFi active on trips for Navizon mapping),
so I also arrange to have it in front of an A/C duct.

When I turn the GPS off to simply monitor APRS-IS, I can extend the
(extended) battery life to 8 hours or so of the same 70 mile range
around Central Florida. Activity on the APRS-IS network affects battery
life as you would expect. I tried monitoring 1000 miles or so on
battery one time (3G), but it really ate into the battery.

When I go mobile on my bicycle or hiking, I have run 7.2v NiMH battery
pack through a 5v regulator and feed external power to the phone just to
keep it running. With 2 packs and the phone's internal battery, I've
gone well over 12 hours of full tracking with capacity to spare.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

David Shrum wrote:

I use a HTC Touch Pro and it works well for me. Couldn't give you an answer
on the battery because whenever I use it mobile I always have it 'plugged
in' to external power so my phone wouldn't go to sleep, I guess I could
change that setting but chose not to, the only thing I have a small issue
with is, not the program, my phone generates a fair amount of heat running
the GPS and the Cellular at the same time so I try and place my in front of
one of the vents on my vehicle when I'm using it, especially in warm
weather.

Dave N8PU

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of g4ilo
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:33 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] What phone

I came across APRSISCE while looking for information about APRS apps for
iPhone. I don't own an iPhone, but was considering getting one to run one of
the APRS apps available for it. But now that I have discovered APRSISCE
Windows Mobile based phones are also an option.

So I would be interested to know what phones other users of this program
would recommend. It must support 3G, and have a built-in GPS like the iPhone
3G(S). What battery life can you expect with position reporting enabled?

Julian, G4ILO


Re: Can't zoom map

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The left and right arrows also change the transparency of the map. If
you fade the map out to nothing, the icons will jump as the program
changes from a Mercator (sp?) projection to a circular distance/heading
mapping of stations from the center of the map. Makes for an
interesting effect to hover between the two projections with lots of
widely distributed stations on the map.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


David Shrum wrote:

I'll give it a try, with the program running you will see a long narrow
'box' in the same frame as the circle, you will notice it has a "+" at the
top and a "-" at the bottom; click one or the other and the map will zoom in
or out. OR the other choice is the up and down arrow keys on your key board,
same results (at least for me), they will also cause the map to zoom in or
out.

Dave N8PU

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of g4ilo
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:08 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Can't zoom map

I have just installed APRSIS32 and started it, but I don't know how to zoom
the map. If I click on the screen to try to draw a rectangle round the map,
the whole map moves when I drag.

I closed the program and manually entered my position by editing the XML.
However the map is still just a small view of the whole world which fits
well within the circle. How do I zoom in?

Julian, G4ILO


Re: What phone

David Shrum
 

I use a HTC Touch Pro and it works well for me. Couldn't give you an answer
on the battery because whenever I use it mobile I always have it 'plugged
in' to external power so my phone wouldn't go to sleep, I guess I could
change that setting but chose not to, the only thing I have a small issue
with is, not the program, my phone generates a fair amount of heat running
the GPS and the Cellular at the same time so I try and place my in front of
one of the vents on my vehicle when I'm using it, especially in warm
weather.

Dave N8PU

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of g4ilo
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:33 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] What phone

I came across APRSISCE while looking for information about APRS apps for
iPhone. I don't own an iPhone, but was considering getting one to run one of
the APRS apps available for it. But now that I have discovered APRSISCE
Windows Mobile based phones are also an option.

So I would be interested to know what phones other users of this program
would recommend. It must support 3G, and have a built-in GPS like the iPhone
3G(S). What battery life can you expect with position reporting enabled?

Julian, G4ILO

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04:20:00


What phone

g4ilo
 

I came across APRSISCE while looking for information about APRS apps for iPhone. I don't own an iPhone, but was considering getting one to run one of the APRS apps available for it. But now that I have discovered APRSISCE Windows Mobile based phones are also an option.

So I would be interested to know what phones other users of this program would recommend. It must support 3G, and have a built-in GPS like the iPhone 3G(S). What battery life can you expect with position reporting enabled?

Julian, G4ILO


Re: Can't zoom map

David Shrum
 

I'll give it a try, with the program running you will see a long narrow
'box' in the same frame as the circle, you will notice it has a "+" at the
top and a "-" at the bottom; click one or the other and the map will zoom in
or out. OR the other choice is the up and down arrow keys on your key board,
same results (at least for me), they will also cause the map to zoom in or
out.

Dave N8PU

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of g4ilo
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:08 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Can't zoom map

I have just installed APRSIS32 and started it, but I don't know how to zoom
the map. If I click on the screen to try to draw a rectangle round the map,
the whole map moves when I drag.

I closed the program and manually entered my position by editing the XML.
However the map is still just a small view of the whole world which fits
well within the circle. How do I zoom in?

Julian, G4ILO

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04:20:00


Re: Can't zoom map

g4ilo
 

--- In aprsisce@..., "g4ilo" <julian.g4ilo@...> wrote:

I have just installed APRSIS32 and started it, but I don't know how to zoom the map. If I click on the screen to try to draw a rectangle round the map, the whole map moves when I drag.
Okay. I'm making some progress now. For some reason I thought that clicking on + would zoom in on the map. By accident I found that clicking - does that.

The icons on the map seem a bit small and unclear. Also is there any way to view messages that have been received, after they have been read the first time?

Julian, G4ILO


Re: Feedback solicitation

g4ilo
 

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Can you all drop a note describing your APRS RF station and particularly
the TNC you use and what it takes to enter and exit KISS mode?
I'm using AGW Packet Engine in sound card (KISS Simple) mode.

Julian, G4ILO


Can't zoom map

g4ilo
 

I have just installed APRSIS32 and started it, but I don't know how to zoom the map. If I click on the screen to try to draw a rectangle round the map, the whole map moves when I drag.

I closed the program and manually entered my position by editing the XML. However the map is still just a small view of the whole world which fits well within the circle. How do I zoom in?

Julian, G4ILO


Re: APRSIS32 curiosity to me

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

If you want to add any custom filters, you can find documentation at the following URLs:

http://wa8lmf.net/aprs/JAVaprsFilters.htm
http://www.aprs-is.net/javAPRSFilter.aspx

Just figure out what you want to see and plug it into the "Add Filter:" box in the APRSISCE/32 configuration dialog.

The client automatically does some filtering for you. It does:

m/dist - My Range filter based on the configured Range (converted from 1/10 mile to km)

If you track or center on someone (right click or popup menu/Center), it adds a:

f/call/dist - Friend Range filter using the same range

This filter will be removed when you are no longer tracking a callsign.

If you drag the map around to establish a center other than yourself or a specific station, it adds a:

r/lat/lon/dist - Range filter using the map center and the configured range

For any other filter, you can do your own. Here's a few of the Add Filter's I've got in a few instances of my APRSIS32 client:

r/27.99673/-80.659072/1 b/KJ4DXK* b/KJ4ERJ* b/KJ4OVQ* u/APWW*/APWM* b/W4SGC*

r/28.40/-81.50/2000 r/27.99673/-80.659072/1 -b/WINLINK -s/S/S -s//a/DW

b/KJ4OVQ* b/KJ4ERJ* b/KJ4DXK* b/W4SGC* b/WI8H* -b/WINLINK -s/S/S -s//a/DW

and my APRSISCE phone has the following filter:

b/N4GVA* b/KJ4ERJ* b/KJ4DXK* b/KJ4OVQ* b/W4SGC* s/@/@ u/APWW*/APWM* -b/WINLINK

Can you tell what callsigns I like to keep tabs on?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. KJ4DXK is my son, KJ4OVQ is my wife, and N4GVA flies small planes here in Florida.

David Shrum wrote:

I guess I must be very thick headed; I still am not sure where to add the
filters as you suggested. I know you explained it before but that went right
over the top of my head. I don't have a clue where to add them, is it in the
APRSIS32.xml where they are added? Thanks for your patience.

Thanks again,

Dave N8PU



-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:03 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] APRSIS32 curiosity to me

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. Coincidentally, I was also watching this evening as the icon changed from phone to SUV and the beacon rate slowed down. I have u/APWW*/APWM* in one of my filter strings to get a feel for how many people are actually using the client at any point in time. You can add the same and you'll see APRSISCE/32 users wherever they are.


Re: APRSIS32 curiosity to me

David Shrum
 

I guess I must be very thick headed; I still am not sure where to add the
filters as you suggested. I know you explained it before but that went right
over the top of my head. I don't have a clue where to add them, is it in the
APRSIS32.xml where they are added? Thanks for your patience.

Thanks again,

Dave N8PU

-----Original Message-----
From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf
Of Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:03 PM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] APRSIS32 curiosity to me

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. Coincidentally, I was also watching this evening as the icon
changed from phone to SUV and the beacon rate slowed down. I have
u/APWW*/APWM* in one of my filter strings to get a feel for how many
people are actually using the client at any point in time. You can add
the same and you'll see APRSISCE/32 users wherever they are.


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02:27:00


Re: APRSIS32 curiosity to me

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Long answer: I'm hoping to latch onto some image rotation code to do the same thing with APRSISCE, but for now it just shows the simple icon. In addition, I'm hoping to do a dead-reckoning forecast of current position based on the previous heading and speed. I'll probably fade out the forecast icon and connect it to the last known position with a line in realtime.

Short answer: it's on the ToDo list!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. Coincidentally, I was also watching this evening as the icon changed from phone to SUV and the beacon rate slowed down. I have u/APWW*/APWM* in one of my filter strings to get a feel for how many people are actually using the client at any point in time. You can add the same and you'll see APRSISCE/32 users wherever they are.

David Shrum wrote:

Tonight I was tracking my son, W8TVI-12 with the APRSIS32 DeskTop version
and with http://aprs.fi/ using Google maps; what I noticed with Google maps
the SUV icon would show the direction of travel with the icon, but the
APRSIS32 program, while keeping his icon centered, it didn't show the
direction to travel in relationship to the map. Like I said, it was nothing
more than curiosity to me.

Dave N8PU


APRSIS32 curiosity to me

David Shrum
 

Tonight I was tracking my son, W8TVI-12 with the APRSIS32 DeskTop version
and with http://aprs.fi/ using Google maps; what I noticed with Google maps
the SUV icon would show the direction of travel with the icon, but the
APRSIS32 program, while keeping his icon centered, it didn't show the
direction to travel in relationship to the map. Like I said, it was nothing
more than curiosity to me.

Dave N8PU

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02:27:00


Re: APRSIS32 Installed

Jerome <jlofton@...>
 

Lynn,

You are correct. I was using the Shortcut (inconsistantly). I did check the XML file and it was set for something other than the intended location ... Changed it with WORDPAD, and it is working fine. Thanks.

Can't wait to get the list to find out what else can be customized.

73, Jerome
WD4CWG

--- In aprsisce@..., "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Jerome,

The APRSIS32.xml file located in the current directory when the .EXE is
executed is the only configuration information for the program. Are you
double-clicking the .EXE directly or using a shortcut from somewhere
else? It may be that the shortcut is specifying a different default
directory and an .xml file in that directory is giving you grief.
Although, if that were the case, it wouldn't prompt you for a new
configuration when you run it. The lack of a configured callsign is
what does that.

If it were me, I'd just edit the APRSIS32.xml file with a plain text
editor (Notepad works) and change the <OSM.Path> to something like:

<OSM.Path>.&#92;OSMTiles&#92;</OSM.Path>

Create a directory called OSMTiles in the directory along with the .EXE
and .xml files and remember to only edit the .xml with the client NOT
running. Otherwise your changes will get lost.

There's other parameters in the .xml that you can mess with and others
that will completely break the program, so please edit with caution and
save a copy of the pre-edited file! One of these days I'll get around
to documenting what all is in there and what is safe to change.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Jerome wrote:
Lynn,

I Installed APRSIS32 per your instructions; Entered my Call WD4CWG-2 and created a OSMTiles subdirectory from the Directory where the exe is located; Located Home and exited program to save.

Program worked fine ... however

The OSMTiles files seem to be "locked" into a location other than specified.

I originally placed the APRSIS32.exe in my c:&#92;My Documents&#92;My Downloads&#92;APRS&#92;APRSIS32 Folder. Then I installed the program, as described ... Entered my Call WD4CWG-2 and created a OSMTiles subdirectory from the Directory where the exe is located; Located Home and exited program to save. When I started up the program everything ran fine, but when I checked for the OSMTiles files, the OSMTiles folder did not exist and the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders were located at C:&#92;My Documents&#92;My Downloads.

I then deleted ALL the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders, deleted the APRSISCE.log, and deleted the APRSIS32.xml. I then repeated the above and got the same result.

I then deleted ALL the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders, deleted the APRSISCE.log, and deleted the APRSIS32.xml again, then I created and moved to C:&#92;Program Files&#92;APRSIS&#92; and copyied the APRSIS Folder with ONLY the EXE and repeated the install ... (Exe now in folder C:&#92;Program Files&#92;APRSIS&#92;APRSIS). I again entered my Call WD4CWG-2 and created a OSMTiles subdirectory from the Directory where the exe is located (C:&#92;Program Files&#92;APRSIS32&#92;APRSIS32&#92;OSMTiles); Located Home and exited program to save. When I started up the program everything again ran fine, but when I checked for the OSMTiles files, the OSMTiles folder did exist this time, but the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders were still located at C:&#92;My Documents&#92;My Downloads.

Is there another file located somewhere else that is defining the directory structure that I failed to delete ? Any Ideas ?

Thanks,
Jerome
WD4CWG


APRS-IS Passcode/Password

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

If there's any new APRS-IS users in the group that don't yet have an APRS-IS passcode (password in the configuration dialog), drop me a line and I'll e-mail one to you!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. This question just came up in one of the APRS mailing list, so I thought I'd refresh it here. If you don't have a valid password that matches your callsign (-SSID doesn't matter), then you'll see data from the -IS, but won't be able to send anything TO the -IS.


Re: APRSIS32 Installed

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Jerome,

The APRSIS32.xml file located in the current directory when the .EXE is executed is the only configuration information for the program. Are you double-clicking the .EXE directly or using a shortcut from somewhere else? It may be that the shortcut is specifying a different default directory and an .xml file in that directory is giving you grief. Although, if that were the case, it wouldn't prompt you for a new configuration when you run it. The lack of a configured callsign is what does that.

If it were me, I'd just edit the APRSIS32.xml file with a plain text editor (Notepad works) and change the <OSM.Path> to something like:

<OSM.Path>.&#92;OSMTiles&#92;</OSM.Path>

Create a directory called OSMTiles in the directory along with the .EXE and .xml files and remember to only edit the .xml with the client NOT running. Otherwise your changes will get lost.

There's other parameters in the .xml that you can mess with and others that will completely break the program, so please edit with caution and save a copy of the pre-edited file! One of these days I'll get around to documenting what all is in there and what is safe to change.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Jerome wrote:

Lynn,

I Installed APRSIS32 per your instructions; Entered my Call WD4CWG-2 and created a OSMTiles subdirectory from the Directory where the exe is located; Located Home and exited program to save.

Program worked fine ... however

The OSMTiles files seem to be "locked" into a location other than specified.

I originally placed the APRSIS32.exe in my c:&#92;My Documents&#92;My Downloads&#92;APRS&#92;APRSIS32 Folder. Then I installed the program, as described ... Entered my Call WD4CWG-2 and created a OSMTiles subdirectory from the Directory where the exe is located; Located Home and exited program to save. When I started up the program everything ran fine, but when I checked for the OSMTiles files, the OSMTiles folder did not exist and the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders were located at C:&#92;My Documents&#92;My Downloads.

I then deleted ALL the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders, deleted the APRSISCE.log, and deleted the APRSIS32.xml. I then repeated the above and got the same result.

I then deleted ALL the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders, deleted the APRSISCE.log, and deleted the APRSIS32.xml again, then I created and moved to C:&#92;Program Files&#92;APRSIS&#92; and copyied the APRSIS Folder with ONLY the EXE and repeated the install ... (Exe now in folder C:&#92;Program Files&#92;APRSIS&#92;APRSIS). I again entered my Call WD4CWG-2 and created a OSMTiles subdirectory from the Directory where the exe is located (C:&#92;Program Files&#92;APRSIS32&#92;APRSIS32&#92;OSMTiles); Located Home and exited program to save. When I started up the program everything again ran fine, but when I checked for the OSMTiles files, the OSMTiles folder did exist this time, but the APRS00-thru-APRS18 folders were still located at C:&#92;My Documents&#92;My Downloads.

Is there another file located somewhere else that is defining the directory structure that I failed to delete ? Any Ideas ?

Thanks,
Jerome
WD4CWG