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Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Is that "I love to USE" or "I WOULD love to use"?  Do you have it up on a PI currently?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 1:43 PM, Don Poaps wrote:
I love to use APRISCE on a PI. The maps that are used are really good. 

73
Don Poaps
New Westminster, BC
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:26 AM Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:

I did attempt to get MOAI/APRSISMO running on a Pi over a year ago, but at that time the windowing layer that MOAI used wasn't properly detecting and/or using the native video chip in the Pi, so it was falling back to X which was EXTREMELY SLOW....  I tried to figure it out but gave up.

So maybe by now the lower layers have caught up and I should give that another shot.  It won't be APRSIS32, at least not until I get most of the remainder of the features ported over!

Oh, and it won't have MutliTrack in any case because the entire MOAI GUI interface is single window, even under Windows.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 11:54 AM, Greg D wrote:
It might be easier to get the Android version to run on a Pi.  Both ARM, and both Linux.  Just missing the Android API.  Has anyone written such for the Pi?  This looks promising...  https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/android-raspberry-pi

Greg  KO6TH


Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
The Pi4 is definitely a much more powerful processor (4 cores at 1.5GHz) with more RAM (now up to 8GB with some fancy 32-bit paging).

However, the Pi is an ARM processor and APRSIS32 is compiled for the x86 processors.  Since WINE is typically run in a Linux environment also on x86 processors, it doesn't translate across the processors.  It mostly translates to the host OS. There was a version of WINE for the PI, but there are so few apps compiled for the Pi processor, that it created high expectations that it couldn't deliver on.

Exagear was a true "emulator" that allowed the x86 code to run on the Pi's processor.  However, the processor in the Pi4 made so many drastic changes to key things like hardware I/O addressing and even memory addressing, it has been hard for Exagear to catch up.  It looks like they gave up in February.

There is a newer 'custom' version of WINE for the Pi that does a much better job, but it requires a customer Kernel and some modifications to the WINE configuration.  I think it requires some custom QEMU settings as well. There are a few YouTube videos if you search on "WINE on the Pi4".

Good luck - report back if you actually get it running!

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 10:16:45 AM EDT, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


I don't know if the newest Pis have enough power to do it reasonably well, but APRSIS32 runs under WINE and I believe you can put WINE on a Pi.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Charles Jessee
 

Hi Fred,

I sent you a test message at 18:24 today. If received or not, that tells me something.  BRET/N4SRN


Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Don Poaps
 

I love to use APRISCE on a PI. The maps that are used are really good. 

73
Don Poaps
New Westminster, BC
VA7DGP DATA
VA7QU   VOICE


Winlink: va7qu@...
Subject://wl2k           



                    
  




 


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:26 AM Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:

I did attempt to get MOAI/APRSISMO running on a Pi over a year ago, but at that time the windowing layer that MOAI used wasn't properly detecting and/or using the native video chip in the Pi, so it was falling back to X which was EXTREMELY SLOW....  I tried to figure it out but gave up.

So maybe by now the lower layers have caught up and I should give that another shot.  It won't be APRSIS32, at least not until I get most of the remainder of the features ported over!

Oh, and it won't have MutliTrack in any case because the entire MOAI GUI interface is single window, even under Windows.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 11:54 AM, Greg D wrote:
It might be easier to get the Android version to run on a Pi.  Both ARM, and both Linux.  Just missing the Android API.  Has anyone written such for the Pi?  This looks promising...  https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/android-raspberry-pi

Greg  KO6TH


Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
The Pi4 is definitely a much more powerful processor (4 cores at 1.5GHz) with more RAM (now up to 8GB with some fancy 32-bit paging).

However, the Pi is an ARM processor and APRSIS32 is compiled for the x86 processors.  Since WINE is typically run in a Linux environment also on x86 processors, it doesn't translate across the processors.  It mostly translates to the host OS. There was a version of WINE for the PI, but there are so few apps compiled for the Pi processor, that it created high expectations that it couldn't deliver on.

Exagear was a true "emulator" that allowed the x86 code to run on the Pi's processor.  However, the processor in the Pi4 made so many drastic changes to key things like hardware I/O addressing and even memory addressing, it has been hard for Exagear to catch up.  It looks like they gave up in February.

There is a newer 'custom' version of WINE for the Pi that does a much better job, but it requires a customer Kernel and some modifications to the WINE configuration.  I think it requires some custom QEMU settings as well. There are a few YouTube videos if you search on "WINE on the Pi4".

Good luck - report back if you actually get it running!

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 10:16:45 AM EDT, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


I don't know if the newest Pis have enough power to do it reasonably well, but APRSIS32 runs under WINE and I believe you can put WINE on a Pi.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I did attempt to get MOAI/APRSISMO running on a Pi over a year ago, but at that time the windowing layer that MOAI used wasn't properly detecting and/or using the native video chip in the Pi, so it was falling back to X which was EXTREMELY SLOW....  I tried to figure it out but gave up.

So maybe by now the lower layers have caught up and I should give that another shot.  It won't be APRSIS32, at least not until I get most of the remainder of the features ported over!

Oh, and it won't have MutliTrack in any case because the entire MOAI GUI interface is single window, even under Windows.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 11:54 AM, Greg D wrote:
It might be easier to get the Android version to run on a Pi.  Both ARM, and both Linux.  Just missing the Android API.  Has anyone written such for the Pi?  This looks promising...  https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/android-raspberry-pi

Greg  KO6TH


Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
The Pi4 is definitely a much more powerful processor (4 cores at 1.5GHz) with more RAM (now up to 8GB with some fancy 32-bit paging).

However, the Pi is an ARM processor and APRSIS32 is compiled for the x86 processors.  Since WINE is typically run in a Linux environment also on x86 processors, it doesn't translate across the processors.  It mostly translates to the host OS. There was a version of WINE for the PI, but there are so few apps compiled for the Pi processor, that it created high expectations that it couldn't deliver on.

Exagear was a true "emulator" that allowed the x86 code to run on the Pi's processor.  However, the processor in the Pi4 made so many drastic changes to key things like hardware I/O addressing and even memory addressing, it has been hard for Exagear to catch up.  It looks like they gave up in February.

There is a newer 'custom' version of WINE for the Pi that does a much better job, but it requires a customer Kernel and some modifications to the WINE configuration.  I think it requires some custom QEMU settings as well. There are a few YouTube videos if you search on "WINE on the Pi4".

Good luck - report back if you actually get it running!

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 10:16:45 AM EDT, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


I don't know if the newest Pis have enough power to do it reasonably well, but APRSIS32 runs under WINE and I believe you can put WINE on a Pi.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Greg D
 

It might be easier to get the Android version to run on a Pi.  Both ARM, and both Linux.  Just missing the Android API.  Has anyone written such for the Pi?  This looks promising...  https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/android-raspberry-pi

Greg  KO6TH


Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:

The Pi4 is definitely a much more powerful processor (4 cores at 1.5GHz) with more RAM (now up to 8GB with some fancy 32-bit paging).

However, the Pi is an ARM processor and APRSIS32 is compiled for the x86 processors.  Since WINE is typically run in a Linux environment also on x86 processors, it doesn't translate across the processors.  It mostly translates to the host OS. There was a version of WINE for the PI, but there are so few apps compiled for the Pi processor, that it created high expectations that it couldn't deliver on.

Exagear was a true "emulator" that allowed the x86 code to run on the Pi's processor.  However, the processor in the Pi4 made so many drastic changes to key things like hardware I/O addressing and even memory addressing, it has been hard for Exagear to catch up.  It looks like they gave up in February.

There is a newer 'custom' version of WINE for the Pi that does a much better job, but it requires a customer Kernel and some modifications to the WINE configuration.  I think it requires some custom QEMU settings as well. There are a few YouTube videos if you search on "WINE on the Pi4".

Good luck - report back if you actually get it running!

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 10:16:45 AM EDT, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


I don't know if the newest Pis have enough power to do it reasonably well, but APRSIS32 runs under WINE and I believe you can put WINE on a Pi.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Rob Giuliano
 

The Pi4 is definitely a much more powerful processor (4 cores at 1.5GHz) with more RAM (now up to 8GB with some fancy 32-bit paging).

However, the Pi is an ARM processor and APRSIS32 is compiled for the x86 processors.  Since WINE is typically run in a Linux environment also on x86 processors, it doesn't translate across the processors.  It mostly translates to the host OS. There was a version of WINE for the PI, but there are so few apps compiled for the Pi processor, that it created high expectations that it couldn't deliver on.

Exagear was a true "emulator" that allowed the x86 code to run on the Pi's processor.  However, the processor in the Pi4 made so many drastic changes to key things like hardware I/O addressing and even memory addressing, it has been hard for Exagear to catch up.  It looks like they gave up in February.

There is a newer 'custom' version of WINE for the Pi that does a much better job, but it requires a customer Kernel and some modifications to the WINE configuration.  I think it requires some custom QEMU settings as well. There are a few YouTube videos if you search on "WINE on the Pi4".

Good luck - report back if you actually get it running!

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 10:16:45 AM EDT, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


I don't know if the newest Pis have enough power to do it reasonably well, but APRSIS32 runs under WINE and I believe you can put WINE on a Pi.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I don't know if the newest Pis have enough power to do it reasonably well, but APRSIS32 runs under WINE and I believe you can put WINE on a Pi.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/25/2020 9:03 AM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: Passcode request for KI6HHJ

Rob Giuliano
 

Mike,
I am posting your Pi question to the main group.
Of course APRSIS32 is a Windows application for x86 processors.
I do not know of anyone running this on a Pi

I know some who use the Pi as the pseudo TNC (soundcard or direct connect a hardware TNC) then send the data to a Windows PC over TCP/IP.


Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS:  Passcode sent off list.


On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 2:54:25 AM EDT, Mike Hollibaugh <mhollibaugh@...> wrote:


Good evening, I am very excited to use your software,

I would like to use APRSSI32 and I am hoping to obtain a passcode.

My name is Michael L Hollibaugh and my callsign is KI6HHJ.

I can be found on aprs.fi using the SSID's of KI6HHJ-1 and KI6HHJ-2:


Thank you for your assistance and please let me know if you have any questions,


Mike


PS: being that Exagear's emulator is no longer available, do you have
any other recommendations to install your application on a Raspberry
Pi 4, 4G without a Windows environment?


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Fred Hillhouse
 

I think James uses one. Maybe he will chime in.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynn Deffenbaugh
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:35 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

 

Well, I don't have access to a D710, so I can test or verify those statements.  IIRC, the bulk of that Wiki page was copied from an e-mail discussion on the list.

Maybe someone that is using a D710 in APRS mode with APRSISCE/32 can provide insight into their experience?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/23/2020 8:29 PM, Charles Jessee wrote:

Hi Lynn - I did. What has me wondering is the stuff at the bottom:

 How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.”

Messages Checked - If you want messaging to work on APRSISCE/32 (See warning above)“

The way I’m reading it, is check Messages is you want messaging to work, which should work as long as you don’t message or receive one to which an ack must be sent. So if I check messaging I should never message? And I’m not quite sure about messages where an ack *must*be sent. 


Thanks for you patience have my questions - APRSIS32 is super-duper fine stuff and I appreciate your efforts!


Bret/N4SRN




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Re: How Do I Connect to an IC-9700 Through my PC?

Rob Giuliano
 

APRSIS32 does not directly create a "soundcard TNC" device to actually decode the tones from teh radio and turn them into packets.
You will need an intermediate computer application to handle that function.  Some options are: DireWolf, AGWpe, UZ7OH, or some of the multimode decoders will decode packet as well.

Assuming you run the soundcard TNC application on the same computer, these settings will allow that soundcard TNC data exchange with APRSIS32.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 8:27:41 AM EDT, hl9gy.korea@... <hl9gy.korea@...> wrote:


I did a search in this group for "IC-9700" and got zero hits!  Anyway, I'm trying to connect to my IC-9700 through my PC sound card.  In Ports, I create a new AGW port, I select TCP/IP, I enter in the IP box 127.0.0.1, and 8000 in the Port box.  Then OK and accept.  Nothing.  Can anyone inform me or point me to an info source that guides me through setup with an IC-9700?  Not using GPS.


How Do I Connect to an IC-9700 Through my PC?

hl9gy.korea@...
 

I did a search in this group for "IC-9700" and got zero hits!  Anyway, I'm trying to connect to my IC-9700 through my PC sound card.  In Ports, I create a new AGW port, I select TCP/IP, I enter in the IP box 127.0.0.1, and 8000 in the Port box.  Then OK and accept.  Nothing.  Can anyone inform me or point me to an info source that guides me through setup with an IC-9700?  Not using GPS.


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Well, I don't have access to a D710, so I can test or verify those statements.  IIRC, the bulk of that Wiki page was copied from an e-mail discussion on the list.

Maybe someone that is using a D710 in APRS mode with APRSISCE/32 can provide insight into their experience?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/23/2020 8:29 PM, Charles Jessee wrote:

Hi Lynn - I did. What has me wondering is the stuff at the bottom:

 How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.”

Messages Checked - If you want messaging to work on APRSISCE/32 (See warning above)“

The way I’m reading it, is check Messages is you want messaging to work, which should work as long as you don’t message or receive one to which an ack must be sent. So if I check messaging I should never message? And I’m not quite sure about messages where an ack *must*be sent. 


Thanks for you patience have my questions - APRSIS32 is super-duper fine stuff and I appreciate your efforts!


Bret/N4SRN


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Charles Jessee
 

Hi Lynn - I did. What has me wondering is the stuff at the bottom:

 How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.”

Messages Checked - If you want messaging to work on APRSISCE/32 (See warning above)“

The way I’m reading it, is check Messages is you want messaging to work, which should work as long as you don’t message or receive one to which an ack must be sent. So if I check messaging I should never message? And I’m not quite sure about messages where an ack *must*be sent. 


Thanks for you patience have my questions - APRSIS32 is super-duper fine stuff and I appreciate your efforts!


Bret/N4SRN


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Have you read the following page on the Wiki?

http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/port:kenwood-tm-d710

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/23/2020 3:57 PM, Charles Jessee wrote:
Hi Lynn - I tried this to create the KWD710(APRS) and KWD710(PKT) ports on APRSISCE and am running it on the APRS port now.
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/groupsioattachments/13949/33145978/13259/0?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJECNKOVMCCU3ATNQ&Expires=1592933888&Signature=F%2Bi18GpC0tZ6vgSvV3xje48u7WI%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3D%22D710+APRSIS32+Set+up+full.pdf%22
What are the advantages/disadvantages of this configuration?
BRET/N4SRN


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Charles Jessee
 

Hi Lynn - I tried this to create the KWD710(APRS) and KWD710(PKT) ports on APRSISCE and am running it on the APRS port now.
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/groupsioattachments/13949/33145978/13259/0?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJECNKOVMCCU3ATNQ&Expires=1592933888&Signature=F%2Bi18GpC0tZ6vgSvV3xje48u7WI%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3D%22D710+APRSIS32+Set+up+full.pdf%22
What are the advantages/disadvantages of this configuration?
BRET/N4SRN


Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

And what port type are you using in APRSIS32 for your D710?  It it KISS or APRS?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 6/21/2020 7:31 PM, Gary via groups.io wrote:
Yes, I use my D710G all the time for APRSIS32 and Winlink.  Keep my cable in all the time and just bring my laptop and plug in.
73 de Gary N6GLS 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Reeve <kevin.reeve@...>
Date: 6/21/20 4:13 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

  1. Basically your putting the D710G in kiss mode, meaning the model is dumb and APRSIS32 is doing all the work, encode and decode.  The advantage you get with the D710G is that you can actually use the modem in the radio and access it. For example you can do winlink with it, without any other TNC in packet mode on the D710.  You can not access the TNC in the FTM-400 or any Yaesu radios other than to get data out of the radio.

Kevin

N7RXE

 

 

From: <APRSISCE@groups.io> on behalf of "Charles Jessee via groups.io" <cbjesseeNH@...>
Reply-To: "APRSISCE@groups.io" <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:05 PM
To: "APRSISCE@groups.io" <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

 

I’m just looking to switch from a Yaesu FTM-400 to a Kenwood TM-D7100GA and looking at the Wiki: “ How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.“


This seems to suggest that if one gives up major functionality APRSIS32 can work with a TM-710GA. What’s the upside for accepting this downside? If sure I’m missing something...

Bret/N4SRN

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Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Gary
 

Yes, I use my D710G all the time for APRSIS32 and Winlink.  Keep my cable in all the time and just bring my laptop and plug in.
73 de Gary N6GLS 



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Reeve <kevin.reeve@...>
Date: 6/21/20 4:13 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

  1. Basically your putting the D710G in kiss mode, meaning the model is dumb and APRSIS32 is doing all the work, encode and decode.  The advantage you get with the D710G is that you can actually use the modem in the radio and access it. For example you can do winlink with it, without any other TNC in packet mode on the D710.  You can not access the TNC in the FTM-400 or any Yaesu radios other than to get data out of the radio.

Kevin

N7RXE

 

 

From: <APRSISCE@groups.io> on behalf of "Charles Jessee via groups.io" <cbjesseeNH@...>
Reply-To: "APRSISCE@groups.io" <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:05 PM
To: "APRSISCE@groups.io" <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

 

I’m just looking to switch from a Yaesu FTM-400 to a Kenwood TM-D7100GA and looking at the Wiki: “ How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.“


This seems to suggest that if one gives up major functionality APRSIS32 can work with a TM-710GA. What’s the upside for accepting this downside? If sure I’m missing something...

Bret/N4SRN

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Re: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Kevin Reeve
 

  1. Basically your putting the D710G in kiss mode, meaning the model is dumb and APRSIS32 is doing all the work, encode and decode.  The advantage you get with the D710G is that you can actually use the modem in the radio and access it. For example you can do winlink with it, without any other TNC in packet mode on the D710.  You can not access the TNC in the FTM-400 or any Yaesu radios other than to get data out of the radio.

Kevin

N7RXE

 

 

From: <APRSISCE@groups.io> on behalf of "Charles Jessee via groups.io" <cbjesseeNH@...>
Reply-To: "APRSISCE@groups.io" <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 4:05 PM
To: "APRSISCE@groups.io" <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [APRSISCE] Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

 

I’m just looking to switch from a Yaesu FTM-400 to a Kenwood TM-D7100GA and looking at the Wiki: “ How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.“


This seems to suggest that if one gives up major functionality APRSIS32 can work with a TM-710GA. What’s the upside for accepting this downside? If sure I’m missing something...

Bret/N4SRN

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Re: Configure APRSIS32 for Kenwood TM-D710GA as Mobile

Charles Jessee
 

I’m just looking to switch from a Yaesu FTM-400 to a Kenwood TM-D7100GA and looking at the Wiki: “ How can you configure APRSISCE/32 to run in APRS mode without usurping control from the Kenwood TM-D710 radio? Well, you really can't if you expect APRSISCE/32 to ever transmit because on the first transmission, MYCALL will be set which changes the D710's identity until it's next TNC reset. However, if you avoid messaging from APRSISCE/32 (or even receiving a message to which an ack must be sent), the following might work for you.“

This seems to suggest that if one gives up major functionality APRSIS32 can work with a TM-710GA. What’s the upside for accepting this downside? If sure I’m missing something...

Bret/N4SRN


Re: Igates and their use of digi paths

Greg Depew
 

See below, again


From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> on behalf of James Ewen <ve6srv@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 1:35 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] Igates and their use of digi paths
 
Greg,

There’s a way to make things happen. You just go out and do it. 

Back in the late 90’s I wanted to get into APRS. I talked to a few buddies about it, and we all thought it would be interesting. But there was no APRS digipeaters around. The closest digi was 200 miles to the south. 

So I grabbed my old Kantronics KAM, figured out how to format a position packet (with much assistance from VE6SZR) and programmed that position packet into my beacon slot, and set the KAM to beacon every three minutes. Boom! First APRS station on the air in the Edmonton area. 

A couple days later VE6BCA configured his KPC-3 to act as a digi. Boom! First digi in Edmonton. It was just at a house on a 30 foot mast, but it was on the air, and my packets were being digipeated. 

Sometimes you just have to do it yourself. All of the digipeaters in Northern Alberta have been put in place by individuals. No club affiliation or support for just about all of them. Sometimes it is just easier to stay away from the politics that clubs can create and just get after it.  

So, if you have a station at your house, you could set it up as a digipeater. If it’s the only digipeater in the area, set it up as a full digi. If you have internet access and can do so, tie it into your digi and make it an I-gate as well. 

I do have a home station and its setup as a wide 2 digi and I-gate, and has been for about 10 years now. 

If at some point you can get a better spot and equipment, install a digi where it has advantageous coverage of your area. 

If people complain that “Nobody is doing anything around here.”, that means they are also part of the nobody. 

​Unfortunately there really is nobody to complain! Just me! 😄

This really isn’t directly aimed at you Greg, but more of a generic discussion for anyone in a similar situation. You’ve just spurred me into responding. I’m not trying to call you out or anything. 

​Not feeling called out, just pointing out in my previous messages that I am the only one with interest around here other than the other 2 one of which has no interest in building out the network, just using his deaf tracker for events outside of our area that actually has network coverage. Ironic right?

The other fellow I mentioned is working slowing at getting some network stuff going as I said before about getting it up on his local water tower. As long as his install meets his expectations, I believe he's going to invest more into getting more digis up in the area.  He's setting up one of the Tiny Trak Ready to Go boxes on the tower and its going to strictly solar powered. As long as everything goes right I may be able to convince him and our club to put one on our northern most repeater. 

At some point if you realize you need to take the initiative, that group of “nobody”s looses a member, and things start to happen in your area. 

​Hence why I was trying to get my mobile fill-in to send the messages back!

It can be a fair bit of work to start making things happen. It helps if you can find a couple people with a similar mindset. 

I was lucky to have a couple buddies that I could convince to join me on my projects. 

We started and built out the local APRS network. We built half a dozen HamHUDs so we could have mobile stations before Kenwood even thought of making the D700. We built payloads and launched dozens of high altitude balloons. 

I also agitate and get people working on other projects in other hobbies that I participate in. I do all of that because I’m selfish. I want to be able to play with stuff and have things that weren't here before. 

It can be difficult, if not impossible to do it alone, so find at least one other person that shares your interest, cultivate a friendship, and get after it. 

Nobody is going to do it unless somebody takes the initiative. 

Be a somebody, not a nobody. 

This now concludes my motivational speech for today! 😀

James 
VE6SRV

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:56 AM Greg Depew <goatherder_4891@...> wrote:
What I'm saying is there is no network around me except me! That digi 30 miles away sometimes can't get into the network either and may disappear for hours or sometimes days from being on the maps. Unfortunately I don't have the money nor the locations to be able to put up a high level digi like needs to be. For now I'm it. 



Greg KB3KBR Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: James Ewen <ve6srv@...>
Date: 6/21/20 02:40 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] Igates and their use of digi paths

While true the nearest permanent digi near me is 30 miles away and a mobile can't hit it unless it's about 15 miles away. I can't even reliably get into any of the digis in the area with the home station. 

So what you are describing is an area with no digipeater coverage. This is not a location for a fill-in digipeater, this area needs a full digipeater. 

A station operating in this area will not be able to participate in APRS operations on the digipeater network as there is no digipeater network in the area. A fill-in digipeater acts as a one way booster in the digipeater network. It will only ever act upon the first path element of a packet. If you put a fill-in digipeater into an area that is not covered by a main digipeater, then there is no way for any traffic (position reports, or more importantly messages) to get back into the area. 

Stations should never use WIDE1-1 anywhere other than as the first element in their outgoing path. Anyone wanting to get information back to station that only has a fill-in digipeater within range from an area 2 digits away would be forced to use WIDE1–1 As a second path element, which we all know is a very bad thing to do. 

Build the network properly and APRS works great. Build it incorrectly and you can have something that is a waste of time, effort, money, and just generally makes people resort to trying stupid things that cause more problems for everyone. 

James 
VE6SRV


On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:12 PM Greg Depew <goatherder_4891@...> wrote:
See below



Greg KB3KBR Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: James Ewen <ve6srv@...>
Date: 6/20/20 20:06 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] Igates and their use of digi paths

A WIDE1-1 digipeater should be a located in an area where the main digipeaters can be heard and copied, but low powered handheld stations can’t get the attention of the main digipeater. A WIDE1-1 digipeater fills in and helps the low powered handheld stations get that first hop into the digipeater network. 

Agree wholeheartedly.

High powered (5 watts or more) mobile stations and fixed stations should never use an outgoing path of WIDE1-1. Digipeaters should be located at sites that provide advantageous coverage of the local area. A digipeater should NEVER EVER use WIDE1-1 as an outgoing path. If a digipeater is located such that it requires help from a home fill-in digipeater to be heard by the main digipeaters, it should shut down and removed from service. It is causing more congestion of the local network than it is helping. 

While true the nearest permanent digi near me is 30 miles away and a mobile can't hit it unless it's about 15 miles away. I can't even reliably get into any of the digis in the area with the home station. The network around here is almost non existent. My goal (which was solved with Lynn's advice of setting the gate to Wide1-1 to make the fill in pass the traffic back) was to use the fill in mobile in areas where I know the handheld can't get out. I used it in such a way tonight on our local lake using the handheld on the kayak to go back to mobile fill in and get back to the main digigate at my house. Successfully was able to send and receive messages to Wxbot and SMSGATE. 

If there are any other fill ins that my main digigate lights up I don't know where they are. Other than myself, theres only 2 other people running APRS in my county. One is using a deaf tracker and the other is in the process of getting a solar digi setup on his towns water tower which should increase the coverage to most of the southern part of the county. 

Unfortunately my local club has zero interest in APRS and when I approached our repeater guru about getting stuff on our main tower he shot me down with concerns of it desensing the repeater.  I would love to get high sites but not enough intrest has taken hold even after I held a presentation on it a couple years back. 




On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:44 AM Greg Depew <goatherder_4891@...> wrote:
Would it be better for me to change 4 to respond to Wide2-2 or have the 1 the igate put out Wide1-1 and maybe light up digis that are very far away? 

Sometimes I can get into a big digi in Ohio but I can't hear it back on anything but the -1, and I've seen my packets be delayed while they hop through the system on open days then get regated about a min later sometimes in Canada or a different place in Ohio. 



Greg KB3KBR Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...>
Date: 6/19/20 19:48 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] Igates and their use of digi paths

On 6/19/2020 6:38 PM, Greg Depew wrote:
Can you give a more complete description of what all is involved?

KB3KBR-11 is what station?  Software, TNC and radio please.

11 is a Yaesu Ft1d

Same for -4 (a WIDE1-1 digi) 

4 is a fill in digi , TinyTrak 4 with GPS and and FT 8800 in a go box programmed to only respond to Wide1-1 and it's own callsign 

Same for -1 (presumably a WIDE2 digi)

1 is APRSIS32 via sound card Signal link into an Ftm 350and is an igate and digi that responds to Wide1-1 and Wide2-2 

Same for the IGate and please include callsign-SSID with the other 3 pieces of the puzzle.

And some idea of who can copy who directly.  Can -1 copy the IGate directly or does the IGate need the boost from -4 to get to -1?  

1 is the igate, 4 is my mobile fill in that I'm using to get 11 back to the igate 

You've already mentioned that you can't hear -1 indoors, but only -4.  Can you copy the IGate indoors?  

When I'm at work inside our 911 center our grounding halo blocks just about everything. 4 is sitting in the truck in the parking lot and can hear 1 and 11. 11 can only hear 1 if it's out side and its iffy if 1 can hear 11 without either holding the antenna in the or more power.

If not, then can we assume the IGate is actually remote from your QTH, but -1 is local?

So, with that final line, it would seem that if you're IGate is using a WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 path, then -4 will copy it and repeat it locally so that -11 can copy the response at the 911 center.  Without the WIDE1-1, -4 won't digipeat and -11 won't copy it.

The big issue you have is that the -11 HT can't copy the IGate directly when at the 911 center, and apparently there's no bigger digipeater that will digipeat the IGate and be copied by the -11 HT.  No amount of pathing is going to solve an issue of a marginal receiver (the HT) at some distance from the IGate without strong coverage.

But a WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 path on the IGate should trigger the -4 digipeater to deliver a stronger packet to the HT.

Anyone have any better suggestion?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  An external antenna that you can connect to the HT inside the 911 center would likely also solve your issue.  Apparently the -4 has bigger ears than the HT or it wouldn't copy the IGate while sitting in the parking lot.

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