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xml file and Vista

andy_g0mni
 

Hi I am running the win32 version of aprsisce and after editing the xml file, aprsisce either refuses to run or writes a new xml file so I cannot change either my location or symbol.My OS is Vista Home edition


Re: Need help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

jandgandjochem wrote:
Hooray, it worked. I should have noticed those two locations to be changed before but didn't.
Fantastic! I hope the rest of the program's operation are much smoother
than that one was!

Perhaps putting some text in the XML file such as: Here is where you change your coordinates.
I'm planning better. A right-click pop-up menu option that says "Move
Me To HERE"!

Anyway, thank you very much for your help. Great to see it working now.

Hope to contribute with suggestions in the future if I may,
Absolutely. I value all input from users. If you read through the ToDo
list, you'll even see that I credit the suggestor when I remember who it
was!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

Kind regards,
Gerard
VK2JNG




--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

You need to edit the <Latitude> and <Longitude> tags that should be between the <Orientation> and <APRSPort> tags. The other two that you mentioned are only for restoring various map view later. This would explain the problem getting your laptop out of Africa.

If that doesn't work, please e-mail me your .XML file and I'll see what else might be going worng.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:

Thanks again for your help.

I still cannot get my laptop to show on the map correctly.

Tried correcting the lattitude and longitude in the XML file as you advised but the laptop symbol keeps staying in west Africa whereas I am in Australia.

Everything else appears to be working fine. All other stations including my 2 TM-d710s are showing correctly on the map.


Guess my next question is: In the XML file should I edit the coordinates under "Center lattitude and Center Logitude" or under Prefered lattitude and Prefered logitude or both?


As said, all else seems to work. I am on the T2Texas status page, can send messages from laptop to 710 and back.


I think we are almost there but not quite yet.

Thanks so much. This program is great to use and I am starting to like it a lot.

Gerard
VK2JNG

Laptop = VK2JNG-10
710 (RV) = VK2JNG-12
710 (Car) = VK2JNG-9








--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I do believe you have your coordinates entered wrong and believe that your own station is not showing up because it's actually somewhere completely different than where you're looking. Before we make changes, try zooming way out on the map and see if you see a small laptop icon over in Africa. If so, click on it and select the Center option, even if it is already set. That will re-center on you. Zoom on in to a comfortable level (bear with me on this) being careful not to pan the map at all. Close the program with that view.

With the program CLOSED, edit the XML file and fix your Lat/Lon settings. As was pointed out by Colin,. North and East are positive, South and Wests are negative. According to http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10, you are NE implying that both are positive right now.

2010-02-28 06:51:37 UTC: VK2JNG-10>APWW00,TCPIP*,qAC,T2TEXAS:@000000h0319.34N/01403.75ElAPRS-IS for CE

According to VK2JNG-12, you want to be somewhere near 35 15 00 S 149 25 00 E (in dd mm ss format). Using the converter at http://www.geocaching.com/wpt/default.aspx that tells us that is -35.25 149.41667 in decimal degrees. These are the numbers you need to enter in the XML configuration file.

Once that is done, restart the client and you should be closer to where you want to be. If that's not exact, find out what you really want, run it through the converter, CLOSE the program, edit the numbers, restart the program and eventually you'll be where you want to be.

I apologize for the obtuseness of this setting, but the program was originally designed for use as a mobile or ate least with a live GPS. I've got a ToDo item on my list (see the most recent release notes on the Yahoo Group) to add a "Set My Coordinate" popup menu option, but I haven't gotten it done just yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

jandgandjochem wrote:

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50

*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******




Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:

Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own -SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:

Can't get myself on the map yet??
Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?
Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12
VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected, both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW, Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@ and I'll generate one for you.


Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.
What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?

I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.
When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you need to.


I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.
Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.


Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12
In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG






I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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Re: Need help

jandgandjochem <vk2jng@...>
 

Hooray, it worked. I should have noticed those two locations to be changed before but didn't.

Perhaps putting some text in the XML file such as: Here is where you change your coordinates.


Anyway, thank you very much for your help. Great to see it working now.

Hope to contribute with suggestions in the future if I may,

Kind regards,
Gerard
VK2JNG

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

You need to edit the <Latitude> and <Longitude> tags that should be
between the <Orientation> and <APRSPort> tags. The other two that you
mentioned are only for restoring various map view later. This would
explain the problem getting your laptop out of Africa.

If that doesn't work, please e-mail me your .XML file and I'll see what
else might be going worng.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:
Thanks again for your help.

I still cannot get my laptop to show on the map correctly.

Tried correcting the lattitude and longitude in the XML file as you advised but the laptop symbol keeps staying in west Africa whereas I am in Australia.

Everything else appears to be working fine. All other stations including my 2 TM-d710s are showing correctly on the map.


Guess my next question is: In the XML file should I edit the coordinates under "Center lattitude and Center Logitude" or under Prefered lattitude and Prefered logitude or both?


As said, all else seems to work. I am on the T2Texas status page, can send messages from laptop to 710 and back.


I think we are almost there but not quite yet.

Thanks so much. This program is great to use and I am starting to like it a lot.

Gerard
VK2JNG

Laptop = VK2JNG-10
710 (RV) = VK2JNG-12
710 (Car) = VK2JNG-9








--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I do believe you have your coordinates entered wrong and believe
that your own station is not showing up because it's actually somewhere
completely different than where you're looking. Before we make changes,
try zooming way out on the map and see if you see a small laptop icon
over in Africa. If so, click on it and select the Center option, even
if it is already set. That will re-center on you. Zoom on in to a
comfortable level (bear with me on this) being careful not to pan the
map at all. Close the program with that view.

With the program CLOSED, edit the XML file and fix your Lat/Lon
settings. As was pointed out by Colin,. North and East are positive,
South and Wests are negative. According to
http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10, you are NE implying that both are
positive right now.

2010-02-28 06:51:37 UTC:
VK2JNG-10>APWW00,TCPIP*,qAC,T2TEXAS:@000000h0319.34N/01403.75ElAPRS-IS
for CE

According to VK2JNG-12, you want to be somewhere near 35 15 00 S 149 25
00 E (in dd mm ss format). Using the converter at
http://www.geocaching.com/wpt/default.aspx that tells us that is -35.25
149.41667 in decimal degrees. These are the numbers you need to enter
in the XML configuration file.

Once that is done, restart the client and you should be closer to where
you want to be. If that's not exact, find out what you really want, run
it through the converter, CLOSE the program, edit the numbers, restart
the program and eventually you'll be where you want to be.

I apologize for the obtuseness of this setting, but the program was
originally designed for use as a mobile or ate least with a live GPS.
I've got a ToDo item on my list (see the most recent release notes on
the Yahoo Group) to add a "Set My Coordinate" popup menu option, but I
haven't gotten it done just yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

jandgandjochem wrote:

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:


What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50


*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******





Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?

*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.






Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:


Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:



Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had
finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first
indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own
-SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used
by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:



Can't get myself on the map yet??




Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen
instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?



Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12



VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the
password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up
the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of
the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected,
both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your
browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I
know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you
get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in
the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW,
Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@
and I'll generate one for you.




Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.




What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct
COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?




I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.



When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to
the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port
configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you
need to.




I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.



Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think
so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you
probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you
want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think
the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.




Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12



In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If
so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're
coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without
the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG









I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can
work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32





Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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Re: prefetching tiles

Robin Williams <phonetech@...>
 

Phew????
That's a fair few tiles.
Bet you the local telco's would love that on a mobile data connection.lol
 
Robin ZL3REW


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of Lynn W. Deffenbaugh
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 1:20 p.m.
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: Re: [aprsisce] prefetching tiles

See my response to N7FMH to see why this is not necessarily a good idea.  It has to do with what area coverage is desired for the increasing zoom levels, all of the area originally covered or just the center as if you had manually zoomed the whole way in at a constant screen center.  The client currently does the former on the prefetch which results in a 4x tile count for each zoom closer.  The latter does a constant tile count per level, but doesn't end up fetching detail for ALL of the area originally viewed.

See the table at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames#Zoom_levels to get an idea of the total tile count for various zooms.  For your suggestion of 15, if you did this while zoomed out to the planet view, you'd end up fetching (left column is zoom tile count, right column is cumulative total).

1 1
2 4 5
3 16 21
4 64 85
5 256 341
6 1024 1365
7 4096 5461
8 16384 21845
9 65536 87381
10 262144 349525
11 1048576 1398101
12 4194304 5592405
13 16777216 22369621
14 67108864 89478485
15 268435456 357913941
16 1073741824 1431655765
17 4294967296 5726623061
18 17179869184 22906492245

Oh, and you'd have to multiply all of those numbers by the number of tiles it takes to fill the screen from which you did the Prefetch.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

kc9gqr wrote:

when prefetching tiles  is there a way to change how many zoom levels is prefetched?  i think its 5 but can you cange it to like 15 in the xml file?



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Re: Minor details.

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Fred Hillhouse Jr wrote:

You make valid points. I only really looked at this software after a response to Stephen about the ability to tile save. So it is new to me as well. Nice slick package so far!
The primary design for APRSISCE is for operation on mobile devices with an active Internet connection. I consider it secondary operation to work without APRS-IS (and hence OSM) access. If the primary function was for offline use, the tile prefetching is actually a pre-population of the cache used to buffer recently accessed tiles.

Maybe a sexy name contest is in order. ;)
Got a suggestion, I'll consider it, although APRSISCE/32 isn't that bad, is it?

I found the tile collection is an interesting item. While I dont use anything else that uses the OSM tiles it is a bone of contention for me. I started using ExpertGPS about 10 years ago. And I have thousands of tiles saved of the topo, aerial and urban variety. I messed around with USAPhotomaps as well. I really didnt want to dedicate another large portion to the same tile set. I looked at TopoFusion as well. That was the end of that; another tile collection. I stuck with E-GPS. I cant say I went wrong, it is a great package.
Can you provide links to the packages you mention. I googled E-GPS, but didn't find any references in the top hits that implied tile caching.

Depending on what tiles they install and/or maintain, you MIGHT be able to share a directory tree between them and APRSISCE.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Best regards,

Fred

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*From:* aprsisce@yahoogroups.com [mailto:aprsisce@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *James Ewen
*Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:42 AM
*To:* aprsisce@yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* [aprsisce] Minor details.

Lynn,

Thanks for creating what sounds like it might just become the top APRS
client in the future. We've had a progression of APRS applications
over the years, with each one moving the bar higher and higher. Having
an author responsive to the needs and desires of the users is a major
factor in developing a great application.

Now... onto the nitty gritty bits.

Right off the top, have you thought about renaming the program?
Obviously the name reflects the origins of the program, but it looks
to be headed to be much more than that.

I finally had a look at the program just over a week ago... I hadn't
looked before because of the name, assuming it was for Windows Mobile
devices only. I'd suggest not only dropping the CE portion, but also
the APRSIS portion. The APRS-IS name is the Internet Service portion
of the APRS network. This client appears to be moving beyond that, and
encompassing the RF portion as well. Perhaps a new less limiting name
might be in order... a really sexy or cool name for the application
never hurt.

Can you make it so that the large compass face can be a user
selectable display element? I would like to get rid of the big grey
circle and NESW labels on my screen.

I love the fact that you use the OSM map in this application. I've
been helping that project for a couple years now. It is great that
anyone can add detail to the OSM map. Any missing data can easily be
added, and immediately becomes available worldwide! One issue that I
have however is the way that the tiles are saved to the hard drive.

I use a program called RadioMobile that also uses the OSM tiles for
creating a background map. RadioMobile saves the tiles in almost the
exact same way as APRSIS32, but with just a slight naming difference.
APRSIS32 uses a file structure such as OSM12/748/1334.png whereas
RadioMobile saves the exact same tile under the file structure
12/748/1334.png

It would be very desirable to share the tiles across multiple
platforms, rather than have duplicate tiles saved for each
application. I don't know if there's an "official" file naming
structure defined for saving OSM tiles, but if it was possible to
override the naming structure to allow the two programs to match up,
it would be great. All I would need to be able to do, is to have the
OSMXX structure changed to just XX where XX is the zoom level.

James
VE6SRV




Re: Minor details.

Fred Hillhouse
 

Hi James,

 

You make valid points. I only really looked at this software after a response to Stephen about the ability to tile save. So it is new to me as well. Nice slick package so far!

 

Maybe a sexy name contest is in order. ;)

 

I found the tile collection is an interesting item. While I don’t use anything else that uses the OSM tiles it is a bone of contention for me. I started using ExpertGPS about 10 years ago. And I have thousands of tiles saved of the topo, aerial and urban variety. I messed around with USAPhotomaps as well. I really didn’t want to dedicate another large portion to the same tile set. I looked at TopoFusion as well. That was the end of that; another tile collection. I stuck with E-GPS. I can’t say I went wrong, it is a great package.

 

Best regards,

Fred

 


From: aprsisce@... [mailto:aprsisce@...] On Behalf Of James Ewen
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:42 AM
To: aprsisce@...
Subject: [aprsisce] Minor details.

 

 

Lynn,

Thanks for creating what sounds like it might just become the top APRS
client in the future. We've had a progression of APRS applications
over the years, with each one moving the bar higher and higher. Having
an author responsive to the needs and desires of the users is a major
factor in developing a great application.

Now... onto the nitty gritty bits.

Right off the top, have you thought about renaming the program?
Obviously the name reflects the origins of the program, but it looks
to be headed to be much more than that.

I finally had a look at the program just over a week ago... I hadn't
looked before because of the name, assuming it was for Windows Mobile
devices only. I'd suggest not only dropping the CE portion, but also
the APRSIS portion. The APRS-IS name is the Internet Service portion
of the APRS network. This client appears to be moving beyond that, and
encompassing the RF portion as well. Perhaps a new less limiting name
might be in order... a really sexy or cool name for the application
never hurt.

Can you make it so that the large compass face can be a user
selectable display element? I would like to get rid of the big grey
circle and NESW labels on my screen.

I love the fact that you use the OSM map in this application. I've
been helping that project for a couple years now. It is great that
anyone can add detail to the OSM map. Any missing data can easily be
added, and immediately becomes available worldwide! One issue that I
have however is the way that the tiles are saved to the hard drive.

I use a program called RadioMobile that also uses the OSM tiles for
creating a background map. RadioMobile saves the tiles in almost the
exact same way as APRSIS32, but with just a slight naming difference.
APRSIS32 uses a file structure such as OSM12/748/1334.png whereas
RadioMobile saves the exact same tile under the file structure
12/748/1334.png

It would be very desirable to share the tiles across multiple
platforms, rather than have duplicate tiles saved for each
application. I don't know if there's an "official" file naming
structure defined for saving OSM tiles, but if it was possible to
override the naming structure to allow the two programs to match up,
it would be great. All I would need to be able to do, is to have the
OSMXX structure changed to just XX where XX is the zoom level.

James
VE6SRV


Re: prefetching tiles

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

See my response to N7FMH to see why this is not necessarily a good idea.  It has to do with what area coverage is desired for the increasing zoom levels, all of the area originally covered or just the center as if you had manually zoomed the whole way in at a constant screen center.  The client currently does the former on the prefetch which results in a 4x tile count for each zoom closer.  The latter does a constant tile count per level, but doesn't end up fetching detail for ALL of the area originally viewed.

See the table at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames#Zoom_levels to get an idea of the total tile count for various zooms.  For your suggestion of 15, if you did this while zoomed out to the planet view, you'd end up fetching (left column is zoom tile count, right column is cumulative total).

1 1
2 4 5
3 16 21
4 64 85
5 256 341
6 1024 1365
7 4096 5461
8 16384 21845
9 65536 87381
10 262144 349525
11 1048576 1398101
12 4194304 5592405
13 16777216 22369621
14 67108864 89478485
15 268435456 357913941
16 1073741824 1431655765
17 4294967296 5726623061
18 17179869184 22906492245

Oh, and you'd have to multiply all of those numbers by the number of tiles it takes to fill the screen from which you did the Prefetch.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

kc9gqr wrote:

when prefetching tiles  is there a way to change how many zoom levels is prefetched?  i think its 5 but can you cange it to like 15 in the xml file?



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Re: Pre-Fetching

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Broncus wrote:
Is there a reason to limit the prefetch depth? Why not allow the user the ability to download to any depth?
I limit depth because of the 4x factor that increasing zoom levels represents. When I say that I pre-fetch the next lower N zoom levels, it means the ENTIRE area expanded by 4x for each zoom level closer. Many times, this is not what the user really wants to see in detail. For instance, why pre-fetch lots of ocean tiles just because the lower left corner of the United States happens to be a peninsula?

I would entertain going deeper if the prefetch constrained itself to the same are that would be viewed by zooming in at the current screen size, but again, that's probably not what most users are looking for. Once you get in to a certain area, they really want the 4x expansion as it goes deeper.

My own manual method is to get a reasonable area at a reasonable zoom and trigger the prefetch. I then zoom in 2 or 3 times and pan around triggering more prefetches until I think I've got enough queued. Then I zoom in to a reasonable street level and pan around slowly while watching for the fuzziness to disappear. At my origination and destination points, I zoom in really deep to have the final detail and/or back off 1 or 2 levels and trigger a final few prefetchs.

The client does do some automatic prefetching of one zoom level further out and the 4 tiles one level closer (along with one additional tile at the current zoom level out each edge of the screen) each time a new tile is fetched from the server. This is in anticipation of traveling into those areas or doing a small zoom for less or more detail.

Note that the automatic prefetchs of map tiles due to panning and zooming are canceled if your attention has moved elsewhere (by more panning and zooming) before the tiles were fetched. Manual Prefetch requests are not canceled nor cancellable short of closing the client.

In other software I have, the user selects the zoom levels for tile retrieval.

In that same package, the author has also limited the zoom levels to:
1/4M, 1M, 4M, 16M, 64M and 256M per pixel. The maps are USGS topo, aerial and urban tiles from the TerraServer.
So you know if that software holds to the same screen size on the retrieval or actually expands the 4x to ensure fully detailed coverage for the entire originally viewed area? I'm suspecting the former where I do that latter.

I was also thinking the ability to prefetch all tiles below the current level when the map is moved is possibly useful. Obviously this can be very time and space consuming. But if the user could select the levels he/she needed, then only the levels select would be fetched.
See above for the automatic prefetch that has been in the client from day 1 (of OSM support anyway). These automatic prefetches are not guaranteed to be attempted, though, if you keep panning and zooming around. "All" is a very data-intensive word when dealing with the 4x expansion.

One reason this is useful to me is that I run a GPS simulator and have been retrieving tiles automatically. This has been useful so far in getting tiles for areas that I am interested in (mainly traveling to and from and though) and it would allow a single pass.
If you slow the GPS simulator down so that it doesn't force panning before the queue has worked off (yellow circle expands to disappear), it will at least have pre-fetched one level down and one level up from the current zoom view.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

PS. I've got a ToDo to use HTTP/1.1 for tile retrieval that reduces the load on the network and tile server. I'll consider these suggestions after I've been able to do that. I don't want my client to become persona non grata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata) on the OSM tile servers.



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Re: Need help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

You need to edit the <Latitude> and <Longitude> tags that should be between the <Orientation> and <APRSPort> tags. The other two that you mentioned are only for restoring various map view later. This would explain the problem getting your laptop out of Africa.

If that doesn't work, please e-mail me your .XML file and I'll see what else might be going worng.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:

Thanks again for your help.

I still cannot get my laptop to show on the map correctly.

Tried correcting the lattitude and longitude in the XML file as you advised but the laptop symbol keeps staying in west Africa whereas I am in Australia.

Everything else appears to be working fine. All other stations including my 2 TM-d710s are showing correctly on the map.


Guess my next question is: In the XML file should I edit the coordinates under "Center lattitude and Center Logitude" or under Prefered lattitude and Prefered logitude or both?


As said, all else seems to work. I am on the T2Texas status page, can send messages from laptop to 710 and back.


I think we are almost there but not quite yet.

Thanks so much. This program is great to use and I am starting to like it a lot.

Gerard
VK2JNG

Laptop = VK2JNG-10
710 (RV) = VK2JNG-12
710 (Car) = VK2JNG-9








--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Ok, I do believe you have your coordinates entered wrong and believe that your own station is not showing up because it's actually somewhere completely different than where you're looking. Before we make changes, try zooming way out on the map and see if you see a small laptop icon over in Africa. If so, click on it and select the Center option, even if it is already set. That will re-center on you. Zoom on in to a comfortable level (bear with me on this) being careful not to pan the map at all. Close the program with that view.

With the program CLOSED, edit the XML file and fix your Lat/Lon settings. As was pointed out by Colin,. North and East are positive, South and Wests are negative. According to http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10, you are NE implying that both are positive right now.

2010-02-28 06:51:37 UTC: VK2JNG-10>APWW00,TCPIP*,qAC,T2TEXAS:@000000h0319.34N/01403.75ElAPRS-IS for CE

According to VK2JNG-12, you want to be somewhere near 35 15 00 S 149 25 00 E (in dd mm ss format). Using the converter at http://www.geocaching.com/wpt/default.aspx that tells us that is -35.25 149.41667 in decimal degrees. These are the numbers you need to enter in the XML configuration file.

Once that is done, restart the client and you should be closer to where you want to be. If that's not exact, find out what you really want, run it through the converter, CLOSE the program, edit the numbers, restart the program and eventually you'll be where you want to be.

I apologize for the obtuseness of this setting, but the program was originally designed for use as a mobile or ate least with a live GPS. I've got a ToDo item on my list (see the most recent release notes on the Yahoo Group) to add a "Set My Coordinate" popup menu option, but I haven't gotten it done just yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

jandgandjochem wrote:

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50

*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******




Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:

Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own -SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:

Can't get myself on the map yet??
Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?
Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12
VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected, both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW, Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@ and I'll generate one for you.


Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.
What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?

I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.
When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you need to.


I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.
Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.


Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12
In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG






I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks heaps,

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Re: Need help

jandgandjochem <vk2jng@...>
 

Thanks again for your help.

I still cannot get my laptop to show on the map correctly.

Tried correcting the lattitude and longitude in the XML file as you advised but the laptop symbol keeps staying in west Africa whereas I am in Australia.

Everything else appears to be working fine. All other stations including my 2 TM-d710s are showing correctly on the map.


Guess my next question is: In the XML file should I edit the coordinates under "Center lattitude and Center Logitude" or under Prefered lattitude and Prefered logitude or both?


As said, all else seems to work. I am on the T2Texas status page, can send messages from laptop to 710 and back.


I think we are almost there but not quite yet.

Thanks so much. This program is great to use and I am starting to like it a lot.

Gerard
VK2JNG

Laptop = VK2JNG-10
710 (RV) = VK2JNG-12
710 (Car) = VK2JNG-9

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Ok, I do believe you have your coordinates entered wrong and believe
that your own station is not showing up because it's actually somewhere
completely different than where you're looking. Before we make changes,
try zooming way out on the map and see if you see a small laptop icon
over in Africa. If so, click on it and select the Center option, even
if it is already set. That will re-center on you. Zoom on in to a
comfortable level (bear with me on this) being careful not to pan the
map at all. Close the program with that view.

With the program CLOSED, edit the XML file and fix your Lat/Lon
settings. As was pointed out by Colin,. North and East are positive,
South and Wests are negative. According to
http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10, you are NE implying that both are
positive right now.

2010-02-28 06:51:37 UTC:
VK2JNG-10>APWW00,TCPIP*,qAC,T2TEXAS:@000000h0319.34N/01403.75ElAPRS-IS
for CE

According to VK2JNG-12, you want to be somewhere near 35 15 00 S 149 25
00 E (in dd mm ss format). Using the converter at
http://www.geocaching.com/wpt/default.aspx that tells us that is -35.25
149.41667 in decimal degrees. These are the numbers you need to enter
in the XML configuration file.

Once that is done, restart the client and you should be closer to where
you want to be. If that's not exact, find out what you really want, run
it through the converter, CLOSE the program, edit the numbers, restart
the program and eventually you'll be where you want to be.

I apologize for the obtuseness of this setting, but the program was
originally designed for use as a mobile or ate least with a live GPS.
I've got a ToDo item on my list (see the most recent release notes on
the Yahoo Group) to add a "Set My Coordinate" popup menu option, but I
haven't gotten it done just yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

jandgandjochem wrote:
--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50

*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******




Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:

Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:


Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had
finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first
indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own
-SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used
by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:


Can't get myself on the map yet??



Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen
instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?


Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12


VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the
password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up
the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of
the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected,
both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your
browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I
know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you
get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in
the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW,
Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@
and I'll generate one for you.



Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.



What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct
COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?



I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.


When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to
the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port
configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you
need to.



I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.


Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think
so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you
probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you
want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think
the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.



Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12


In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If
so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're
coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without
the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG








I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can
work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32




Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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prefetching tiles

kc9gqr <kc9gqr@...>
 

when prefetching tiles is there a way to change how many zoom levels is prefetched? i think its 5 but can you cange it to like 15 in the xml file?


Pre-Fetching

Fred Hillhouse
 

Hi Lynn,


I use Prefetch. It is a good feature. I did not realize how deep it worked until just reading the WIKI. So I now prefetch from multiple levels. Since my laptop in not online normal, I prefetch whole areas at a time.

Here are some thoughts.

Is there a reason to limit the prefetch depth? Why not allow the user the ability to download to any depth?

In other software I have, the user selects the zoom levels for tile retrieval.

In that same package, the author has also limited the zoom levels to:
1/4M, 1M, 4M, 16M, 64M and 256M per pixel. The maps are USGS topo, aerial and urban tiles from the TerraServer.

I was also thinking the ability to prefetch all tiles below the current level when the map is moved is possibly useful. Obviously this can be very time and space consuming. But if the user could select the levels he/she needed, then only the levels select would be fetched.

One reason this is useful to me is that I run a GPS simulator and have been retrieving tiles automatically. This has been useful so far in getting tiles for areas that I am interested in (mainly traveling to and from and though) and it would allow a single pass.


Best regards,
Fred, N7FMH


Re: New User with a couple of comments.....

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Gary Sanders wrote:

I noticed that if I stopped and restarted the program, the data received
matched only the current filter setting. Does this imply that a
disconnection from the server, then a reconnection would reset the
filter setting? If so, would it be worthwhile to do that
programmatically after a user induced move of X distance? I suppose the effort to "fix" it would have to be weighed against the results obtained , considering that probably most people wouldn't be jumping around viewing one location after another as I do on occasion, but rather looking at their local area.
You can force the APRS-IS server to disconnect and re-connect by
toggling Enables / APRS-IS Enabled off then back on. I'll post a
question on the javAPRSSrvr Yahoo group about this filter behavior.

I run APRSISCE on my AT&T Tilt (HTC TyTN II) Windows Mobile phone 24x7
with a normal filter of 100 miles radius. I routinely jump around to
other APRS users and have not yet noticed an ill effects (or warnings)
from my cellular provider.

If you double-click on the "APRS OK" pane (I really need to name these
things), it will give you a popup showing the APRS traffic since the
client was started. It shows both packets and bytes, sent, received and
total. For the OSM data, double-click an empty area on the map. If any
tiles have been fetched, it will give the total count and sent,
received, and total bytes involved in that data communications as well.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ


Re: New User with a couple of comments.....

Gary Sanders
 

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh wrote:
Gary Sanders wrote:
Finally, if you Center on another station, the client automatically builds a Friend filter using the same Range number as the circle
around that centered station. The APRS-IS seems to be semi-sticky on
the friend filter. Once you center on a station, you seem to continue
getting the range around that station even after the client has
removed the friend filter from the active filter string.
I believe this is what I'm seeing. I reset the XML file to point to the
default servers (as opposed to my uiview server) and played with it some
more this morning. If I didn't move to a different location, the
positions received were all from the area of the centered station. As
soon as I moved to a different location, I started receiving stations
from the new location. I also continued to receive stations from the
former location. When I moved to a third location, I received the new
location's stations, PLUS the previous two locations. After moving to
seven or eight locations around the country, the data stream was pretty
huge.

I'm using this on Win7 at home, and the data consumption isn't a major
issue, but if I were using it on a smart phone with a restrictive data
plan (as most are in one form or another) I'd be concerned about the
bandwidth consumed. Within the APRS server network is there a method to
force a server to feed data matching only the most recent filter
setting, without the carryover of data from previous settings?

I noticed that if I stopped and restarted the program, the data received
matched only the current filter setting. Does this imply that a
disconnection from the server, then a reconnection would reset the
filter setting? If so, would it be worthwhile to do that
programmatically after a user induced move of X distance? I suppose the effort to "fix" it would have to be weighed against the results obtained , considering that probably most people wouldn't be jumping around viewing one location after another as I do on occasion, but rather looking at their local area.

APRSISCE would be perfect for me if it did two things that I can't
seem to make it do now:
1) Optionally default to Tracking Enabled upon startup.
This is automatic. I assume you're referring to keeping the screen centered on your own station when you're mobile and running with a
live GPS?
No, I'm actually referring to being able to auto-track my TT3-equipped
car upon startup, rather than the Win7 laptop running the aprsisce. Addressed below.

2) Optionally default to tracking a specific call upon startup.
Good idea. I've wanted that one a few times myself. I just added it
to the list. Be aware, however, that when you restart the client, the
screen will come up to where you last left it and will not move to center on the new station until a new position report is heard.
Thanks much for adding it to the list. I think this would make the program perfect for my needs.

Gary Sanders
WB0BZR


Update

kc9gqr@...
 

The update is working fine. On my windows mobile pda and built in gps. Along with pre fetching the maps I need and using it offline connected via bluetooth. To my Kenwood 700!!! Now just need to incoperate to be able to turn work with NWS shape files for weather spotting and we have hit a grandslam. This is. Awesome software. Right now the only reason to run uiview is if u are running an I gate or want the areas to turn a color for severe weather.

Brad
Kc9gqr
Sent from my BlackBerry® by Boost Mobile


Re: Need help

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Ok, I do believe you have your coordinates entered wrong and believe that your own station is not showing up because it's actually somewhere completely different than where you're looking. Before we make changes, try zooming way out on the map and see if you see a small laptop icon over in Africa. If so, click on it and select the Center option, even if it is already set. That will re-center on you. Zoom on in to a comfortable level (bear with me on this) being careful not to pan the map at all. Close the program with that view.

With the program CLOSED, edit the XML file and fix your Lat/Lon settings. As was pointed out by Colin,. North and East are positive, South and Wests are negative. According to http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10, you are NE implying that both are positive right now.

2010-02-28 06:51:37 UTC: VK2JNG-10>APWW00,TCPIP*,qAC,T2TEXAS:@000000h0319.34N/01403.75ElAPRS-IS for CE

According to VK2JNG-12, you want to be somewhere near 35 15 00 S 149 25 00 E (in dd mm ss format). Using the converter at http://www.geocaching.com/wpt/default.aspx that tells us that is -35.25 149.41667 in decimal degrees. These are the numbers you need to enter in the XML configuration file.

Once that is done, restart the client and you should be closer to where you want to be. If that's not exact, find out what you really want, run it through the converter, CLOSE the program, edit the numbers, restart the program and eventually you'll be where you want to be.

I apologize for the obtuseness of this setting, but the program was originally designed for use as a mobile or ate least with a live GPS. I've got a ToDo item on my list (see the most recent release notes on the Yahoo Group) to add a "Set My Coordinate" popup menu option, but I haven't gotten it done just yet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

jandgandjochem wrote:

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50

*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******




Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:

Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own -SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:

Can't get myself on the map yet??
Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?
Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12
VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected, both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW, Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@ and I'll generate one for you.


Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.
What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?

I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.
When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you need to.


I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.
Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.


Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12
In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG






I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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Re: Need help

m6xsd <m6xsd@...>
 

Or to put it simply:

DecimalDegrees = d+(m/60)+(s/3600)

i.e.: 35°19'23" S 149°23'24" E becomes: Lat -34.6769 Long 149.3900

I hope I've got that right.


73,
Colin.

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "m6xsd" <m6xsd@...> wrote:

Hi Gerard,

Sorry to butt in butI think your remaining problem is simply that you have the wrong position entered in the xml. It must be entered in Decimal Degrees with -ve for Southern & Western hemisheres.
I may be wrong (& I apologise if I am) since I haven't looked in detail at your 'wrong position' but that is what it appears to be at first glance.
If you are still stuggling, sendout another 'hhheelllpppp' and I'm sure someone will respond.


73,
Colin
M6XSD.

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "jandgandjochem" <vk2jng@> wrote:



--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50
*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******



Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:
Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had
finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first
indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own
-SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used
by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:

Can't get myself on the map yet??


Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen
instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?

Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12

VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the
password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up
the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of
the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected,
both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your
browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I
know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you
get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in
the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW,
Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@
and I'll generate one for you.


Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.


What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct
COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?


I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.

When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to
the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port
configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you
need to.


I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.

Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think
so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you
probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you
want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think
the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.


Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12

In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If
so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're
coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without
the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG







I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can
work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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Re: Need help

m6xsd <m6xsd@...>
 

Hi Gerard,

Sorry to butt in butI think your remaining problem is simply that you have the wrong position entered in the xml. It must be entered in Decimal Degrees with -ve for Southern & Western hemisheres.
I may be wrong (& I apologise if I am) since I haven't looked in detail at your 'wrong position' but that is what it appears to be at first glance.
If you are still stuggling, sendout another 'hhheelllpppp' and I'm sure someone will respond.


73,
Colin
M6XSD.

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "jandgandjochem" <vk2jng@...> wrote:



--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50
*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******



Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:
Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had
finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first
indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own
-SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used
by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:

Can't get myself on the map yet??


Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen
instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?

Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12

VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the
password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up
the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of
the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected,
both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your
browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I
know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you
get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in
the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW,
Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@
and I'll generate one for you.


Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.


What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct
COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?


I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.

When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to
the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port
configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you
need to.


I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.

Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think
so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you
probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you
want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think
the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.


Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12

In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If
so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're
coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without
the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG







I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can
work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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Minor details.

James Ewen
 

Lynn,

Thanks for creating what sounds like it might just become the top APRS
client in the future. We've had a progression of APRS applications
over the years, with each one moving the bar higher and higher. Having
an author responsive to the needs and desires of the users is a major
factor in developing a great application.

Now... onto the nitty gritty bits.

Right off the top, have you thought about renaming the program?
Obviously the name reflects the origins of the program, but it looks
to be headed to be much more than that.

I finally had a look at the program just over a week ago... I hadn't
looked before because of the name, assuming it was for Windows Mobile
devices only. I'd suggest not only dropping the CE portion, but also
the APRSIS portion. The APRS-IS name is the Internet Service portion
of the APRS network. This client appears to be moving beyond that, and
encompassing the RF portion as well. Perhaps a new less limiting name
might be in order... a really sexy or cool name for the application
never hurt.

Can you make it so that the large compass face can be a user
selectable display element? I would like to get rid of the big grey
circle and NESW labels on my screen.

I love the fact that you use the OSM map in this application. I've
been helping that project for a couple years now. It is great that
anyone can add detail to the OSM map. Any missing data can easily be
added, and immediately becomes available worldwide! One issue that I
have however is the way that the tiles are saved to the hard drive.

I use a program called RadioMobile that also uses the OSM tiles for
creating a background map. RadioMobile saves the tiles in almost the
exact same way as APRSIS32, but with just a slight naming difference.
APRSIS32 uses a file structure such as OSM12/748/1334.png whereas
RadioMobile saves the exact same tile under the file structure
12/748/1334.png

It would be very desirable to share the tiles across multiple
platforms, rather than have duplicate tiles saved for each
application. I don't know if there's an "official" file naming
structure defined for saving OSM tiles, but if it was possible to
override the naming structure to allow the two programs to match up,
it would be great. All I would need to be able to do, is to have the
OSMXX structure changed to just XX where XX is the zoom level.

James
VE6SRV


Re: Need help

jandgandjochem <vk2jng@...>
 

--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@...> wrote:

What map are you referring to at this point? VK2JNG-10 shows up fine on
aprs.fi. The raw packets show some transmissions recently:

http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-10&limit=50
*******It shows up but the location on APRS.fi is totally incorrect. ******



Force just asks the client to beacon a position when it is allowed to.
Do you have a GPS connected to the laptop or are you using a static
position?
*******No GPS as yet. Using static position and edited the XML file.****



My question at the moment is: Should the VK2JNG-10 (Laptop running APRSISCE win32) be showing up on the map in your program??? At the moment it is not.





Read about the APRS OK window at
http://aprsisce.wikidot.com/screen-features This page also discusses
the text that appears below that describing the beaconing features as
well as the colored bars in that portion of the screen.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ

jandgandjochem wrote:
Ok, this is what I got sofar:

1 of 710 in the car being VK2JNG-9
1 of 710 in the Caravan (RV) being VK2JNG-12
1 of APRSISCE Win 32 on my laptop being VK2JNG-10 in the caravan.

When beaconing I can see the 710 in the car (VK2JNG-9) on the map as well as the 710 in the caravan (RV) (VK2JNG-12)

I can send messages to and from all the above three.

I can also see VK2JNG-10 (Laptop) on the T2Texas status page with YES in the 4th column.

However, when I force a TX from the Laptop (VK2JNG-10) I can't see that on the map.


Getting closer by the minute here with your help which is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gerard
VK2JNG






--- In aprsisce@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn W. Deffenbaugh" <kj4erj@> wrote:

Ok, I think you're real close, but not quite there. I really wish I had
finished my ToDo item of showing port status better...

First, at http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&;call=VK2JNG-12 I'm seeing the first
indication of the problem. Every APRS station must have it's own
-SSID. It's not a good idea to share them and VK2JNG-12 is being used
by your Kenwood directly. You need a different callsign on APRSISCE.

jandgandjochem wrote:

Can't get myself on the map yet??


Have you entered in an APRS-IS password and followed the on-screen
instructions to zoom in on your home location on the first execution?

Yes I have entered my callsign and SSID being VK2JNG-12

VK2JNG-12 has not directly beaconed to APRS-IS yet. I suspect the
password you entered is not correct for your callsign. If you bring up
the "Info" popup by clicking on your station (hopefully in the center of
the screen), it will list the APRS-IS server to which you are connected,
both as a DNS and as an IP address. Use the IP address and point your
browser to http://<That.IP.Address>:14501 (note the colon in there). I
know the client said :14580, but the status page is at :14501. Once you
get the status page, search for your callsign and check what it says in
the "Verified" (4th) column. I suspect it doesn't say "Yes". (BTW,
Ctrl-F is a quick way to Find your callsign on the status page).

If you need an APRS-IS password, e-mail me directly at KJ4ERJ@
and I'll generate one for you.


Trying to use it with my Kenwood 710.


What connection are you using to the 710? Did you configure the correct
COM port and baud rate under Configure / KISS? Is the 710 in KISS mode?


I use the com port on the panel of the 710 (Display unit) and via a RS232 to USB converter made by KeySpan to USB com port 7 on the PC.
This has always worked fine when updating firmware and saving database etc.
Under configure > Kiss I get a window asking for IP/DNS and port.
Have not yet configured anything there.

When you click the KISS button on the Configuration dialog, click NO to
the "TCP/IP Port?" question. That will get you into the serial port
configuration page for the KISS TNC interface. Set it all up as you
need to.


I have configured the com port on the Kenwood Menu 519 to 9600 and in the program under Configure > NMEA I have 9600; COM 7; Parity None; Data 8 and Stop 1.

Does the Kenwood put NMEA GPS data out the serial port? I don't think
so. You need to clear all of the NMEA configuration options since you
probably used the same port that you need to use under KISS. If you
want a GPS, you'll need to provide for another one since I don't think
the Kenwood can share that data with the PC while it is in KISS mode.


Note: I can see other local stations appearing on the screen but not my station. BTW On APRS.fi I appear ok as VK2JNG-12

In the scrolling station list, do those stations have * beside them? If
so, they're coming from the KISS port (doubtful). If not, they're
coming from APRS-IS, which is probably rejecting your beacons without
the proper password.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


Thanks so much for your help.

Gerard
VK2JNG







I'd suggest getting the APRS-IS functions working first and then we can
work on the RF side of things.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32



Thanks heaps,

Gerard
VK2JNG



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