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Re: Not being heard (was APRS new passcode please)

James Ewen
 

>  I assume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?


From that page there's info to help us out...

W5GIF HAMBURG AR.

Let's find out who W5GIF is that is in control of this station.

From QRZ.com
W5GIF USA flag USA

WILLIAM R GIFFORD
773 ASHLEY ROAD 95
HAMBURG, AR 71646

USA  

Google doesn't give any hits on billgifford608@... that might link that email address to the name found at QRZ, but Bill is a common nickname for someone named William.

Google Streetview doesn't show anything but bush at that address (correcting the road number to 495), but there's an APRS icon back in the bush behind where the satellite view shows a house and shop. The shadow cast from the shop looks like there might be a tall mast that indicates a ham radio afflicted individual might live there.

Back to the aprs page, using some assumptions that billgifford608@... is indeed William R Gifford, W5GIF.

Down at the bottom of that page we find:

Stations heard directly by HAMBRG – 2021-032021-022021-012020-122020-112020-102020-09
callsignpktsfirst heard - MDTlast heardlongest(rx => tx)longest at - MDT
W5GIF-9122021-03-09 15:35:262021-03-12 15:14:22EM43AD > EM43CF17.9 km 239°2021-03-11 15:31:47
W5GIF42021-03-16 07:39:152021-03-16 08:59:18EM43AG > EM43CF12.7 km 296°2021-03-16 08:59:18

This sure looks like W5GIF is being heard by HAMBRG.

Pulling up the raw packets for W5GIF we find these entries among the many there.

2021-03-16 07:39:15 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_% [Duplicate position packet]
2021-03-16 08:19:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%
2021-03-16 08:39:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%
2021-03-16 08:59:18 MDT: W5GIF>S3QV0U,HAMBRG,DEGRAY,WIDE2*,qAO,W5TCB-10:`wS.l <0x1c>-/`QTH MILO AR FTM-400XDR_%

These 4 entries show that the HAMBRG digipeater heard W5GIF directly and digipeated the packet at these specific times.

As always, the mantra is that you CANNOT use the APRS-IS stream to be able to verify RF operation reliably.

These 4 packets above that show HAMBRG handling the packets from W5GIF were lucky to get to the W5TCB-10 i-gate and then passed to the APRS-IS stream first, and not duplicate filtered.

If you need to analyze the operation of the APRS RF system in your area, observe the packets as they are heard on RF. We just happened to get lucky and find a few packets that provide the information desired.

The fact that the packet seen above at 07:39:15 is listed as a duplicate packet lets us know that there is most likely a Kantronics KPC-3 running in the area that is delaying packets being delivered to the APRS-IS, which causes even more difficulty for accurate analysis of packet delivery to the APRS-IS. Observe packets on RF for accurate information about the RF environment.  

James
VE6SRV


On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:51 AM Rob Giuliano via groups.io <kb8rco=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>


Re: Not being heard (was APRS new passcode please)

Rob Giuliano
 

Is HAMBRG running APRSIS32?
If so, the callsign that is sent to APRS-IS along with a matching passcode is the one in from
   >Menu >Configure >General >Client Configuration >MyCall
which appears to be HAMBRG.

I am pretty sure that is how APRSIS32 works, is that information is sent to the APRS-IS server for verification.  Since HAMBRG is not a valid callsign, there is no passcode for it, and I would guess the APRS-IS server you log into is rejecting it.

If you change HAMBRG to W5GIF-1 (or your choice of SSID) and use the passcode Steve sent, it should work as you expect.  Lynn would have to answer if there is a way to add an change the label viewed on maps.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 12:17:41 PM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


I have not seen where I put HAMBRG on the internet. It’s having to wait for others to do so. I feel I have something not set correctly? I’m so close I thought it would see my setup first 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:13 AM Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
I checked on aprs.fi and saw:
  W5GIF <Home icon> WNW of Hamburg
  HAMBRG <Start N icon> in Hamburg => callsign is only in the comment.

So it looks like both stations are being IGATEd to the internet.
So what is it that isn't seeing you?

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 11:59:39 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


I have an APRS station at HAMBURG AR. (HAMBRG) I wanted to have an IGate to put that station on the internet. Did I mis something 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:50 AM Rob Giuliano <kb8rco@...> wrote:
Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>


Re: Decipher please

Greg Depew
 

Yaesu's fill up then drop off the oldest. I've never been able to produce a rej from one. 



KB3KBR Greg.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...>
Date: 3/16/21 09:45 (GMT-05:00)
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] Decipher please

The Kenwood APRS radios (not sure about Yaesus) have a maximum number of messages they will hold in their message list.  If that list is too full when a new message is received, it will be rejected (rej) instead of acked (ack).

If you're trying to verify this behavior, you need to send a lot of different messages to your D710 without deleting any of them until the message list is full.  The next message and all subsequent will be rejected until you delete messages that have already been received.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/15/2021 11:49 PM, Ramakrishnan K.A. wrote:
Can I try from india I do have tmd710 with me but I don't know how to do setup

Vi2RK

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 8:38 AM Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Your message target station, KB0NWT is likely a Kenwood radio that has a full emssage buffer which is why your message to him/her was rejected.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/15/2021 3:19 PM, Glenn O'Connor wrote:
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:15:44.377 New Chat(KF0ED<>KB0NWT) hwnd(000C087E) Error(0)
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) Msg(If u have a chance, upon a 2m band opening, try our .225 rptr.) ACK
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) HAS Messaging
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 Sending Message For(KB0NWT) by New
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:45.388 Priority 5 APRSIS-32>KF0ED:KB0NWT Rejected rejAV} For KB0NWT (AV})


Not being heard (was APRS new passcode please)

Rob Giuliano
 

Moved to the general list.

Bill.
I asume HAMBRG is a local digi or other RF station?
If so, the passcode isn't going to help HAMBRG hearing (seeing) you. 
The passcode allows APRSIS32 to directly interface with the APRS-IS network (if the computer has an internet connection).

If you describe your setup, HAMBRG is, and what you expect between the 2 stations, we can help troubleshoot your problem.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO


On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 8:14:19 AM EDT, BILL GIFFORD <billgifford608@...> wrote:


Thank you!  It looks like it working but HAMBRG isn’t seeing me? That’s why I put it on? Any ideas 

<Passcode request removed>


Re: Decipher please

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

The Kenwood APRS radios (not sure about Yaesus) have a maximum number of messages they will hold in their message list.  If that list is too full when a new message is received, it will be rejected (rej) instead of acked (ack).

If you're trying to verify this behavior, you need to send a lot of different messages to your D710 without deleting any of them until the message list is full.  The next message and all subsequent will be rejected until you delete messages that have already been received.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/15/2021 11:49 PM, Ramakrishnan K.A. wrote:
Can I try from india I do have tmd710 with me but I don't know how to do setup

Vi2RK

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 8:38 AM Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Your message target station, KB0NWT is likely a Kenwood radio that has a full emssage buffer which is why your message to him/her was rejected.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/15/2021 3:19 PM, Glenn O'Connor wrote:
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:15:44.377 New Chat(KF0ED<>KB0NWT) hwnd(000C087E) Error(0)
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) Msg(If u have a chance, upon a 2m band opening, try our .225 rptr.) ACK
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) HAS Messaging
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 Sending Message For(KB0NWT) by New
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:45.388 Priority 5 APRSIS-32>KF0ED:KB0NWT Rejected rejAV} For KB0NWT (AV})


Re: Decipher please

Ramakrishnan K.A.
 

Can I try from india I do have tmd710 with me but I don't know how to do setup

Vi2RK

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 8:38 AM Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:

Your message target station, KB0NWT is likely a Kenwood radio that has a full emssage buffer which is why your message to him/her was rejected.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/15/2021 3:19 PM, Glenn O'Connor wrote:
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:15:44.377 New Chat(KF0ED<>KB0NWT) hwnd(000C087E) Error(0)
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) Msg(If u have a chance, upon a 2m band opening, try our .225 rptr.) ACK
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) HAS Messaging
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 Sending Message For(KB0NWT) by New
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:45.388 Priority 5 APRSIS-32>KF0ED:KB0NWT Rejected rejAV} For KB0NWT (AV})


Re: Decipher please

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Your message target station, KB0NWT is likely a Kenwood radio that has a full emssage buffer which is why your message to him/her was rejected.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 3/15/2021 3:19 PM, Glenn O'Connor wrote:
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:15:44.377 New Chat(KF0ED<>KB0NWT) hwnd(000C087E) Error(0)
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) Msg(If u have a chance, upon a 2m band opening, try our .225 rptr.) ACK
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) HAS Messaging
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 Sending Message For(KB0NWT) by New
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:45.388 Priority 5 APRSIS-32>KF0ED:KB0NWT Rejected rejAV} For KB0NWT (AV})


Decipher please

Glenn O'Connor
 

WinMain:2021-03-15T19:15:44.377 New Chat(KF0ED<>KB0NWT) hwnd(000C087E) Error(0)
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) Msg(If u have a chance, upon a 2m band opening, try our .225 rptr.) ACK
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 To(KB0NWT) HAS Messaging
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:31.970 Sending Message For(KB0NWT) by New
WinMain:2021-03-15T19:16:45.388 Priority 5 APRSIS-32>KF0ED:KB0NWT Rejected rejAV} For KB0NWT (AV})


Re: DIGI & APRSIS32

Rob Giuliano
 

If you are referring to APRSIS32 acting as the DIGI, you can open the logs for Digi and Digi(NOT).
Any activity that APRSIS32 'hears' and expects to act on will be logged in either of these logs.
  EXAMPLE: If a packet comes into APRSIS32 with all path elements used up, it should show in Digi(NOT) as path used.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Monday, March 15, 2021, 1:47:47 PM EDT, Peter VK3FN <vk3fn@...> wrote:


Hi all,

I just wanted to know how I can see that the program is working correctly as a Digi via the APRSIS32 program.


Re: DIGI & APRSIS32

James Ewen
 

Which program are you trying to observe working as a digi with APRSISCE/32?

To know if this other program is working on RF, you should have APRSISCE/32 setup with an RF interface. When the program you are investigating acts as a digi, you should be able to see the activity in the scroller in APRSISCE/32. 

Don’t try to rely on APRSISCE/32 to observe RF activity if you only have an internet connection. The APRS-IS filters out the vast majority of the packets that are heard on RF. 



On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:47 AM Peter VK3FN <vk3fn@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I just wanted to know how I can see that the program is working correctly as a Digi via the APRSIS32 program.

--
James
VE6SRV


DIGI & APRSIS32

Peter VK3FN
 

Hi all,

I just wanted to know how I can see that the program is working correctly as a Digi via the APRSIS32 program.


Re: How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

Fred Hillhouse
 

In a recent project, I sent new EQNS packets and eventually got it right. Each time it was sent, they were updated. Now they are there until I change or delete.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Giuliano via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:37 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

 

Or the callsign-ssid combination sends updates, which I believe can include a meansvto reset the EQNS settings.

 

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 14:05, Fred Hillhouse

<fmhillhouse@...> wrote:

For APRSIS32 it is indefinite unless your XML is deleted.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnold Harding - KQ6DI
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

 

When Telemetry Parameters are received from as station such as EQNS, they go into the configuration file. 

How long will the parameters remain there assuming they aren't refreshed?

 

One of my stations only sends EQNS once a day, but I noticed APRSISCE/32 already had the equation stored.

 

Arnold, KQ6DI

 


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Re: How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

Rob Giuliano
 

Or the callsign-ssid combination sends updates, which I believe can include a meansvto reset the EQNS settings.


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 14:05, Fred Hillhouse
<fmhillhouse@...> wrote:

For APRSIS32 it is indefinite unless your XML is deleted.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnold Harding - KQ6DI
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

 

When Telemetry Parameters are received from as station such as EQNS, they go into the configuration file. 

How long will the parameters remain there assuming they aren't refreshed?

 

One of my stations only sends EQNS once a day, but I noticed APRSISCE/32 already had the equation stored.

 

Arnold, KQ6DI




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Re: How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

Fred Hillhouse
 

For APRSIS32 it is indefinite unless your XML is deleted.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io [mailto:APRSISCE@groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnold Harding - KQ6DI
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:07 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: [APRSISCE] How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

 

When Telemetry Parameters are received from as station such as EQNS, they go into the configuration file. 

How long will the parameters remain there assuming they aren't refreshed?

 

One of my stations only sends EQNS once a day, but I noticed APRSISCE/32 already had the equation stored.

 

Arnold, KQ6DI




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How long do Telemetry Parameters stay in the configuration

Arnold Harding - KQ6DI
 

When Telemetry Parameters are received from as station such as EQNS, they go into the configuration file. 
How long will the parameters remain there assuming they aren't refreshed?
 
One of my stations only sends EQNS once a day, but I noticed APRSISCE/32 already had the equation stored.
 
Arnold, KQ6DI


Re: ?APRSP

Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY
 

Hi Lynn,

We all use APRSIS32 clients on 144,800 kHz without filtering and without activating APRS-IS in the Enables menu.

Also none of us are within normal radio range from each other!

We all use our local IGATES to exchange messages and indeed we can see each other's position beacons after we exchange text messages, but after APRSIS32 decides it is time to send a position beacon and only if the beacon is sent in time before the 15 minute window after the last text message expires.

When I send an ?APRSP query to the other stations (SV1GGY-1 and SV1WE-1) they receive it and indeed they send a position beacon out on their RF LAN. This is clear because I check APRS.FI's RAW PACKETS, but of course their position beacons which are sent as a reply to my ?APRS QUERY never make it here in my Local RF LAN.

The position beacons they initiate by their own initiatinve or the ones that are being sent when the position beacon timer expires, are always transmitted on the air by my local APRS IGATE provided they are sent within the 15 minute window APRS-IS allows, i.e. within 15 minutes after the last exchanged APRS TEXT message between us.

I hope it makes sense.

Probably it is not APRSIS32's fault!

So it seems that the ?APRSP QUERY does not work via the IGATES, but all other QUERIES work FB.

Thanks for bearing with me!

Take care!

--
73 de Demetre M0SUY/SV1UY
APRS: 1st & best Social Network


Re: ?APRSP

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Ok, now I understand what you are expecting and what you are seeing.  And everything is actually WAD.  But first I need to make sure that the station we're talking about is NOT in your normal range, nor matched by your currently active APRS-IS filter terms. If that is in fact the case, then then only packets your APRS-IS server will actually deliver to you are a) messages addressed to you from that station and b) the next position report that the station issues AFTER having sent you a message.

So, the posit after receiving a message makes sense.  And the "missing" posit when sending a ?APRSP also makes sense because the station didn't send YOU a message (or even a response, which is really just another message) before sending the posit.

If you check aprs.fi's raw packets, do you see the posit there that should have been triggered by the ?APRSP?

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 2/22/2021 9:49 AM, Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY wrote:
Hi Lynn,

Thanks for reply. ?APRSP is supposed to force the receiving station to transmit a BEACON. This is useful if you want to multitrack.
For me to see the queried station's Position Beacon via an IGATE, I must first send him a message and after I get an ACK, any Position Beacon he sends should appear in my APRSIS32 MULTITRACKing MAP. Now this does not happen if the queried station sends his Position Beacon as reply to my query. It happens if he sends it manually though.

Funny thing an maybe this is not an APRSIS32 problem. I don't know!

Maybe I confused you before. I hope what I am saying now makes more sence!


Re: ?APRSP

Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY
 

Hi Lynn,

Thanks for reply. ?APRSP is supposed to force the receiving station to transmit a BEACON. This is useful if you want to multitrack.
For me to see the queried station's Position Beacon via an IGATE, I must first send him a message and after I get an ACK, any Position Beacon he sends should appear in my APRSIS32 MULTITRACKing MAP. Now this does not happen if the queried station sends his Position Beacon as reply to my query. It happens if he sends it manually though.

Funny thing an maybe this is not an APRSIS32 problem. I don't know!

Maybe I confused you before. I hope what I am saying now makes more sence!

--
73 de Demetre M0SUY/SV1UY
APRS: 1st & best Social Network


Re: ?APRSP

Greg Depew
 

Haha! I just happened to reread thru some of the emails stating he got responses back for the other queries and realized I didn't know what he expected back. 



KB3KBR Greg.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...>
Date: 2/21/21 16:15 (GMT-05:00)
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] ?APRSP

Wow, there must have been a wave of insight flow through the ether on that answer!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 2/21/2021 3:50 PM, Greg Depew wrote:
Do you happen to have the station multi tracked? What response are you expecting back? ?APRSP only send a position report. It will not send any messages back. 



KB3KBR Greg.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY <demetre.sv1uy@...>
Date: 2/21/21 15:08 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] ?APRSP

Hi,

Same thing happens when I send ?APRSP to SV1GGY-1, who also uses APRSIS32, but he replies to all other APRS QUERIES I send him!

--
73 de Demetre M0SUY/SV1UY
APRS: 1st & best Social Network






Re: ?APRSP

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Wow, there must have been a wave of insight flow through the ether on that answer!

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 2/21/2021 3:50 PM, Greg Depew wrote:
Do you happen to have the station multi tracked? What response are you expecting back? ?APRSP only send a position report. It will not send any messages back. 



KB3KBR Greg.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



-------- Original message --------
From: Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY <demetre.sv1uy@...>
Date: 2/21/21 15:08 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] ?APRSP

Hi,

Same thing happens when I send ?APRSP to SV1GGY-1, who also uses APRSIS32, but he replies to all other APRS QUERIES I send him!

--
73 de Demetre M0SUY/SV1UY
APRS: 1st & best Social Network





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