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Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Komkit Listisard
 

Yep, I looked at all of the advanced APRS manuals from all of the Yaesu radios.  I have RTsystem programming software for those radio as well.  CUSTOM 0-6 can not be edited.

Few day ago for the heck of it, I picked "CUSTOM 0" in MIC-E and sent it through.  instead of "In Service" or "En Route" I just saw "CUSTOM 0" shows up on aprs.fi :D  

Per APRS101 manual, it did say something about the receiving station knows what "CUSTOM 0" mean.  TBH, I have no idea what is C0-C6 even mean.

C0-C6 can only be selected - there are no free form that once could edit.  Yeasu admin never approved my question on how to edit,  perhaps Yaseu does not even have a clue how to edit it haha.



73, Kit


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Did you look at the PDF that I previously attached of pages 38-41 of the FT2DR APRS manual?  I'm not talking about the Mic-E comments that includes the Custom options, but the actual free-form text entry and subsequent selection.  The Mic-E statuses are truly just "Custom" and it is up to the local viewer to interpret what they mean completely outside of APRS.  From aprs101.pdf:

This is NOT the free-form text entry capablity described on pages 38 to 41 of the FT2DR APRS manual and also NOT where you neeeded to have put the PHG0000.  But that's all water under the bridge now.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 2/5/2021 10:24 AM, Komkit Listisard via groups.io wrote:
Lynn,

Thank you for the reply.  Sorry, I forgot to indicate the SSID in question.  At any rate,  Yaesu radios I have none of the "CUSTOM 0-6" can not be edited.  I am not even sure what they were named "CUSTOM" when one can not be edited.  I post on Yaesu Facebook asking how to edit those "CUSTOM" field but my question was never approved by Yaesu admin, so it never got posted.

Yaesu MIC-E can not be edited,  I can only "select" which one of the pre-defined I wanted to use.

At the end of the day I was able to removed the PHG I did not want from the aprs.fi, just had to do it using your program.

73, Kit W3KIT


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Komkit Listisard
 

Lynn,

Thank you for the reply.  Sorry, I forgot to indicate the SSID in question.  At any rate,  Yaesu radios I have none of the "CUSTOM 0-6" can not be edited.  I am not even sure what they were named "CUSTOM" when one can not be edited.  I post on Yaesu Facebook asking how to edit those "CUSTOM" field but my question was never approved by Yaesu admin, so it never got posted.

Yaesu MIC-E can not be edited,  I can only "select" which one of the pre-defined I wanted to use.

At the end of the day I was able to removed the PHG I did not want from the aprs.fi, just had to do it using your program.

73, Kit W3KIT


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I should have also mentioned that when doing the PHG0000 from a radio, you need to transmit the beacon containing the text in range of an IGate to get it through the APRS-IS to aprs.fi.  Checking the raw packets of the station that transmitted the packet should be sufficient to ensure that at least one has been delivered.  aprs.fi's Decoded view is also quite informative to ensure that it interpreted your intent correctly.

It appears that you actually DID get the PHG0000 entered into a radio correctly, but aprs.fi's parser didn't parse it.

2021-02-04 17:19:52 EST: W3KIT>SYPR8P,KV3B-2*,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1,qAR,W4KEL-12:`iZNl!z0\`"5&}PHG0000_%
   type: location
   format: mice
   srccallsign: W3KIT
   dstcallsign: SYPR8P
   latitude: 39.046666666667 °
   longitude: -77.041666666667 °
   course: 194 °
   speed: 0 km/h
   altitude: 106 m
   symboltable: \
   symbolcode: 0
   mbits: 111
   posresolution: 18.52 m
   posambiguity: 0
   comment: `PHG0000_%
But when you did it from APRSIS32, it got the PHG extracted correctly.

2021-02-04 17:55:22 EST: W3KIT>APWW11,KV3B-2,WIDE2*,qAR,WB2IFS-10:@225520h/:eml;#%W- sTPHG0000
   type: location
   format: compressed
   srccallsign: W3KIT
   dstcallsign: APWW11
   latitude: 39.046864745384 °
   longitude: -77.04128360889 °
   symboltable: /
   symbolcode: -
   messaging: 1
   posresolution: 0.291 m
   phg: 0000
   timestamp: 1612479320 - 2021-02-04 17:55:20 EST
So it seems that where the radio put the comment caused aprs.fi's parser to see a leading ` which caused it to not "see" the PHG0000 for what it was intended to be.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  In the future, please state exactly callsign-SSIDs when asking for help.  It took me a while to translate "one of my generic SSID" to W3KIT with no (actually -0) SSID to find the actual station you were trying to fix.

On 2/5/2021 9:20 AM, Lynn Deffenbaugh wrote:

Different radios call it different things, and unfortunately I believe some radios call the Mic-E "status" field their "comment".

But I believe that every APRS-capable radio has somewhere that you can enter free-form text to be included with your position beacon and that's exactly where the PGH00000 would have gone to clear out aprs.fi's memory.

There is nothing "special" about APRSIS32's "comment" text, it's all in the label given.

I don't have any Yaesu APRS radios, but in my Kenwood D74, there's a "Position Comment" (menu 502) which is NOT it (that's the Mic-E select-a-status from a list including things like Enroute, In Service, Returning, and so forth) and "Status Text" (Menu 503) which is where you can pre-configure up to 5 different free-form texts and select one to be included on beacons.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  It looks like Yaesu does something similar to the D74.  I've attached 3 pages from the Yaesu APRS manual where it describes the required free-form comment text.

On 2/5/2021 5:19 AM, Komkit Listisard via groups.io wrote:
Lynn,

What is the different between APRSIS32 "comment" text comparing to another radios with beacon status or comment text?   I have tried to rid of an unwanted PHG by using the radios (FT2D, FT3D, FTM-100 and FTM-400 - I could not find the way to enter PHG0000 to clear it.

I have to fired up APRSIS32 and edited the SSID to the SSID that I want to clear the PHG and that was the only way that worked.

Is the "comment" field a special field that ordinary APRS radio does not have and only existed with APRSIS32?

73, Kit W3KIT


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Different radios call it different things, and unfortunately I believe some radios call the Mic-E "status" field their "comment".

But I believe that every APRS-capable radio has somewhere that you can enter free-form text to be included with your position beacon and that's exactly where the PGH00000 would have gone to clear out aprs.fi's memory.

There is nothing "special" about APRSIS32's "comment" text, it's all in the label given.

I don't have any Yaesu APRS radios, but in my Kenwood D74, there's a "Position Comment" (menu 502) which is NOT it (that's the Mic-E select-a-status from a list including things like Enroute, In Service, Returning, and so forth) and "Status Text" (Menu 503) which is where you can pre-configure up to 5 different free-form texts and select one to be included on beacons.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  It looks like Yaesu does something similar to the D74.  I've attached 3 pages from the Yaesu APRS manual where it describes the required free-form comment text.

On 2/5/2021 5:19 AM, Komkit Listisard via groups.io wrote:
Lynn,

What is the different between APRSIS32 "comment" text comparing to another radios with beacon status or comment text?   I have tried to rid of an unwanted PHG by using the radios (FT2D, FT3D, FTM-100 and FTM-400 - I could not find the way to enter PHG0000 to clear it.

I have to fired up APRSIS32 and edited the SSID to the SSID that I want to clear the PHG and that was the only way that worked.

Is the "comment" field a special field that ordinary APRS radio does not have and only existed with APRSIS32?

73, Kit W3KIT


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Komkit Listisard
 

Lynn,

What is the different between APRSIS32 "comment" text comparing to another radios with beacon status or comment text?   I have tried to rid of an unwanted PHG by using the radios (FT2D, FT3D, FTM-100 and FTM-400 - I could not find the way to enter PHG0000 to clear it.

I have to fired up APRSIS32 and edited the SSID to the SSID that I want to clear the PHG and that was the only way that worked.

Is the "comment" field a special field that ordinary APRS radio does not have and only existed with APRSIS32?

73, Kit W3KIT


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Just put "PHG0000" without the quotes at the end of your comment text.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 2/4/2021 5:25 PM, Komkit Listisard via groups.io wrote:
Folks,  one of my generic SSID have this PHG entered.  I think I may have used APRSIS32 In the past on this SSID.  Now i no longer using it with APRSIS32,  how do I rid of the PHG?

My current HT/Mobile radios does not see to have and option to edit them.  I can only send beacon text or MIC-E but not PHG.

Thanks, Kit


Re: How to edit or delete PHG from aprs.fi

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

http://blog.aprs.fi/2009/02/deleting-old-phg-data.html

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 2/4/2021 5:25 PM, Komkit Listisard via groups.io wrote:
Folks,  one of my generic SSID have this PHG entered.  I think I may have used APRSIS32 In the past on this SSID.  Now i no longer using it with APRSIS32,  how do I rid of the PHG?

My current HT/Mobile radios does not see to have and option to edit them.  I can only send beacon text or MIC-E but not PHG.

Thanks, Kit


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

macclad44@...
 

OK I got a new "station heard directly by N7TTQ-9" so I believe things are working fine 100.000% and won't touch a thing.
Thanks.
Jeff


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

macclad44@...
 

I got it. Thanks!

It's just that my nearest gateway VA6ATA-1 used to constantly update it's "last heard" from me for a few weeks now it suddenly does not.  I can see in APRSISCE that he heard me and I him, but no more reporting occurs in APRS.fi, and I guess for the reason  you spelled out.

  It's almost like the criteria is being applied differently now.  That's sort of the core of my observation about all of this. Why did it used to update it every so often and then suddenly on the 29th it stopped? There's nothing more to do about it at this point... except...

.. the best solution is.... I have to get my mobile tracker working to see if my gateway is picking up mobile devices.  The last guy I heard was in Calgary and he hasn't been back on for days..

It didn't work the last time I tried 10 days ago so I have to yard my radio out of my car and make sure eeeeverything is working perfectly before putting it back. It used to work, but like with most things with me, if I breathe on it wrong, it stops working. 

73s.
Jeff


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Just to be clear, their directly injected packet will show up at aprs.fi via TCPIP*, but none of their RF packet receivers will get "credit" for having heard that station because those IGated packets will never be delivered to aprs.fi because the APRS-IS network will drop them as duplicates of the directly delivered packet.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 1/31/2021 3:55 PM, macclad44@... wrote:
ahh but I get that if they direct inject the station it won't show up on APRS.fi... ok.


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Any time you configure an RF Port, it internally disables and re-enables the port for the new settings to get everywhere they need to go.  And that means it fires the <CloseCmd>s and <OpenCmd>s as part of that.  And that's the same thing that happens when you close and restart APRSIS32, so there's no surprise that the TNC needs to be reset in between those actions with a full close APRSIS32, power down TNC, wait, power up TNC, and start APRSIS32.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 1/31/2021 3:52 PM, macclad44@... wrote:
Thanks, but guys like VA6ATA-1 had, in the past, reported the last heard on both ends like clockwork and now not? Now, it might be HE changed his config somehow which messed things up after 4:36 pm on the 29th. And I did track the mobile guy VE6AB-15 Friday morning. And there were many others that just suddently stopped on the 29th. You can see it in APRS.fi .  
Also, oddly, VA6ATA-1 reported seeing me at 0 lat 0 long yesterday,  but I see my N7TTQ-9 right at my QTH. so that was a confusing or surprising statement.. like somehow HE is not recognizing the position data that I have never changed and continue to report.  Hmmmmmm. OK I'll just let it cook for awhile I guess.  Everything else seems to work

Oh, one "bug".. when I "configure Ports" on the RF port and merely hit "accept" it shuts off kiss mode and I have ot shut the program down and unplug the SCS tracker and wait 5 seconds and... you know the drill..

Thanks. Jeff


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

macclad44@...
 

ahh but I get that if they direct inject the station it won't show up on APRS.fi... ok.


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

macclad44@...
 

Thanks, but guys like VA6ATA-1 had, in the past, reported the last heard on both ends like clockwork and now not? Now, it might be HE changed his config somehow which messed things up after 4:36 pm on the 29th. And I did track the mobile guy VE6AB-15 Friday morning. And there were many others that just suddently stopped on the 29th. You can see it in APRS.fi .  
Also, oddly, VA6ATA-1 reported seeing me at 0 lat 0 long yesterday,  but I see my N7TTQ-9 right at my QTH. so that was a confusing or surprising statement.. like somehow HE is not recognizing the position data that I have never changed and continue to report.  Hmmmmmm. OK I'll just let it cook for awhile I guess.  Everything else seems to work

Oh, one "bug".. when I "configure Ports" on the RF port and merely hit "accept" it shuts off kiss mode and I have ot shut the program down and unplug the SCS tracker and wait 5 seconds and... you know the drill..

Thanks. Jeff


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

From https://aprs.fi/doc/guide/aprsfi-info-pages.html

Stations heard by X, and stations which heard Y

aprs.fi collects monthly summaries of digipeater and igate statistics. The info page shows both a table of digipeaters and igates which heard the given station, and (if the station is a digipeater or igate) which other stations where heard by that station. The most recently updated entries are shown using a larger font.

These statistics are usually somewhat correct, but there are several caveats, and as you've probably heard – there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

  • The APRS-IS network that feeds the APRS packets from the igates to aprs.fi does duplicate suppression. Only the first gated copy of a packet traverses the entire network. All other duplicate copies seen within 30 seconds after the first packet are dropped by APRS-IS. A packet which is heard by multiple igates normally gets credited only for a single igate.
  • A lot of digipeaters do not add their own callsign in the packet's path when retransmitting a packet. aprs.fi cannot possibly know about those.
  • A lot of digipeaters do callsign substitution instead of insertion, replacing original path components. A packet with a path of OH7RDÖ,WIDE2-1 could have been a WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 packet in the first place, and gone through OH7RDÖ and another unknown digipeater.
  • The aprs.fi "first heard" algorithm tries to go on the safe side: if it's not sure, it doesn't count as directly heard. But even then, some incorrect overly long paths are shown.
  • Stations transmitting invalid or fake coordinates will skew these statistics. If the transmitting station claims to be 1000 km away (due to a bad GPS fix), my best guess can only be that the station actually is that far away.
  • Items and objects are not shown here, since they are usually far away from the transmitter which transmitted the packets.
Read through that quote and I suspect that most of the packets you're copying are either a) injecting directly to the APRS-IS causing your RF receptions to be dupe-suppressed or b) have a path that causes aprs.fi to have doubts about the reception based on the above description.

The APRS-IS,  from which aprs.fi draws its data, is not usable for doing any sort of RF network analysis like "Stations heard by".  Although aprs.fi does make an attempt at it, it cannot be relied on as being complete.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 1/31/2021 3:28 PM, macclad44@... wrote:
Hi, although  my raw packets are being reported by APRS.FI, and that I'm active, positions and stations that have clearly been decoded on my RF port are suddenly not being shown under "Stations heard by N7TTQ-9" nor "Stations which heard N7TTQ-9".  Identical stations heard identically up to the 29th were fine, then nothing.  I must have hit a button somewhere.  Mind you prop has not been good in the last few days but for example VA6ATA-1 I clearly have heard and have even messaged but doesn't show up as being heard by me nor vice versa.  

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks.
Jeff


Re: APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

macclad44@...
 

I saw folks on the forum on the APRSIS website complain about this last year but I saw no resolution, by the way.  Whatever they did/didn't do, I did.


APRS positions not uploading to APRS.FI

macclad44@...
 

Hi, although  my raw packets are being reported by APRS.FI, and that I'm active, positions and stations that have clearly been decoded on my RF port are suddenly not being shown under "Stations heard by N7TTQ-9" nor "Stations which heard N7TTQ-9".  Identical stations heard identically up to the 29th were fine, then nothing.  I must have hit a button somewhere.  Mind you prop has not been good in the last few days but for example VA6ATA-1 I clearly have heard and have even messaged but doesn't show up as being heard by me nor vice versa.  

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks.
Jeff


Re: Iiiiit's woooorrrrking! hah hah! Victory! I now have N7TTQ-9 up and running as a Robust Packet Gateway.

macclad44@...
 

My bad that I didn't post it here.  It's all on me, sorry man!  It was more or less not entering KISS mode correctly 'cause you have to cycle power on the SCS tracker after exiting the program in order that the KISS on command works after you RE-start the program. It's even listed as a known bug over on robust-packet.net's manual.. and I even read it, and dutifully ignored and forgot it.  Lynn sleuthed it fairly quickly but just looking at my RF port's log and seeing it was no bueno.
I may not have figured that out for a thousand years tho.  That's why it's good to have the author on this group. Wonderful in fact.


Re: Heard List on APRSIS32?

Rob Giuliano
 

So it would only work on RF received packets going to APRSIS32 from an 'AGW device' like AGWpe, Direwolf, etc.
I have only used it with Direwolf  and only on very limited occasions.  It did provide an RF mHeard list.

I believe another option would be if Direwolf is running on a Raspberry Pi and AX.25 is enabled (-p option I think).  I am pretty sure the AX.25 tools package has an mHeard tool.  I've never tried that one.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 5:40:31 PM EST, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


The AGW port on APRSIS32 is the wrong direction. It receives from RF and only transmits what it wants to go back out over RF.  I suspect AGWmonitor only works when connected to an AGW-providing program which APRSIS32 is not.  APRSIS32 is an AGW-consuming program.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 1/23/2021 3:23 PM, Rob Giuliano via groups.io wrote:
I often use Direwolf with APRSIS32 (typically with KISS over TCP/IP).  
When I feel I need it, I use AGWmonitor to connect to the AGW port of Direwolf and it provides an mheard list. 

This method will work with any AGW interface, so I assume you could open an AGW RF port on APRSIS32 and connect that to AGWmonitor, then send the data you want to monitor in a list to that port.

Just a thought.



On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 14:34, Lynn Deffenbaugh
View / None followed by View / RF / All.

Or what I use on my IGate is Configure / Scroller / Show IGate/Digi
along with No Internals and RF Only.  That way the packet scroller on
the left side shows only RF-received packets and whether they were
direct or via a digipeater.

Oh, and if you're running the View / RF / All you can toggle View / All
on and off to see the "rest" of the stations that must have been heard
via the APRS-IS.  There is not really any such thing as "heard via an
IGate", except maybe the View / Transport / RF Only which will show
those stations that appeared to be RF, and not talking directly to the
APRS-IS.

But the APRSISCE/32 author doesn't believe in lists...

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32


On 1/23/2021 10:05 AM, Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY wrote:
> Hi Lynn and all,
>
> Is there a Heard List in APRSIS32 so that if we select it we can see which callsigns were heard on RF directly or via a DIGIpeater or via an IGATE?
>






Re: Heard List on APRSIS32?

Demetre - M0SUY/SV1UY
 

Hi Rob and thanks for reply,

Yes I also use AGW PE on HF for ROBUST PACKET and UZ7HO Soundmodem for AX25 PACKET so at least I can see the heardlist this way.
On VHF though I use an APRS Voyager VHF radio with an embedded TNC and BT which connects to APRSIS32 using a SimplyKISS port via bluetooth port since the Radio's Bluetooth TNC does not appear as a COMport on the PC, I cannot connect it to AGW Packet Engine, that is why I was wondering if there was a way to have a Heard List on APRSIS32. Never mind!

--
73 de Demetre M0SUY/SV1UY
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