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Re: aprs error received in wrong order

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

I've looked at the flagged packets and do not see anything wrong with them.  You'll have to contact the APRSDirect folks and have them double-check their algorithm for detecting "out of order" packets.

But you might want to capture a few screen shots before the flagged packets scroll out of their history since it seems to have corrected itself.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 8/12/2020 4:24 AM, Curtis N4BKR wrote:
aprsdirect

The error seems to have cleared itself, but is still visible in yesterdays history. 


Re: aprs error received in wrong order

Curtis N4BKR
 

aprsdirect

The error seems to have cleared itself, but is still visible in yesterdays history. 


Re: aprs error received in wrong order

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Can you provide the link where aprsdirect is talking about the wrong order?  aprs.fi doesn't show any issues and your raw packets look fine as relates to the included timestamps.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 8/11/2020 4:11 PM, Curtis N4BKR wrote:
using aprsis32 on a win10 machine. When I generate a beacon, message gets highlighted in red
only on aprsdirect, and says that it was received in wrong order. 

tried enabling and disabling timestamp HHMMSS, and compression, and it made no difference.

Is this my error, or is there something else I might do to correct it? TIA de N4BKR-10


aprs error received in wrong order

Curtis N4BKR
 

using aprsis32 on a win10 machine. When I generate a beacon, message gets highlighted in red
only on aprsdirect, and says that it was received in wrong order. 

tried enabling and disabling timestamp HHMMSS, and compression, and it made no difference.

Is this my error, or is there something else I might do to correct it? TIA de N4BKR-10


Re: Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Justin Cherington
 

It is annoying that it is output only without an external TNC/interface. And Yaesu is well known for ignoring suggestions and complaints. They still haven’t fixed the bug where duplicate packets result in a chime you can’t mute, they forgot to include it in the aprs chime on/off menu settings. 


with that being said, at least they do support aprs, unlike Icom. My TNC3 is awesome and the BT function means I probably would have purchased it anyway. 


Re: Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Rob Giuliano
 

The FTM400 does have the audio I/O and PTT on the 10-pin connector for an external TNC (or sound card variation).

I think the worse part of all of this is that the reviews (such as the ARRL review in QST) don't make that point clear.  I do not know of anyone who has purchased a Yaesu "APRS radio" who was not surprised to find out that it required an external TNC of some sort in order to fully use the APRS function with an attched computer.  Most I know said something about readin reviews on the radio and buying it from that infomration, only to find this severely lacking feature.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO

PS: IMHO - Yaesu is still takng advantage of these and not making any effort to satify their customers.  There is no doubt they have recived complaints, and yet they are still making new models with the same configuration.  That attitude has really turned me off from Yaesu products.




On Sunday, August 9, 2020, 5:22:20 PM EDT, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


Note: The following is based on my direct knowledge of the FTM-350.  I have not heard anything to the contrary for the FTM-400.

What you are doing wrong is that you are using a Yeasu APRS radio.  Yaesu, in their infinite wisdom, does not allow transmitting from outside the unit.  It will only transmit what it internally generates.  Even their protocol for passing decoded packets out the serial port is not quite the same as all other APRS radios before it.

If you want to transmit, by Yeasu's own documentation, you must hook up an external TNC and completely ignore the APRS capabilities of the radio itself.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  I just quick-scanned the FTM-400 documentation and I didn't even see how to connect an external TNC to that model.

On 8/9/2020 3:23 PM, Sean Rafferty wrote:
I am unable to transmit through the program. When I look at CONFIGURE>PORTS>FTM-400(the radio I am using) Xmit Enable is not checked. Even if I check it it will not stay checked, when I look again, it is still not checked.
What am I doing wrong?


Re: Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Greg Depew
 

The only way I've gotten my 350 to work is to use a signallink and sound card Tnc or an external Tnc like TT4. I would assume as I don't have the cable for the 400 that you would have to do the same.  It's a pain but it works. And if you go the sound card route you now have the capability for other sound card modes like FL Digi. 



Greg KB3KBR Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Sean Rafferty <sean.t.rafferty@...>
Date: 8/9/20 17:24 (GMT-05:00)
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Well isn't that nice.
Thank you for the prompt response.
Sean W9STR


Re: Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Sean Rafferty
 

Well isn't that nice.
Thank you for the prompt response.
Sean W9STR


Re: Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

Note: The following is based on my direct knowledge of the FTM-350.  I have not heard anything to the contrary for the FTM-400.

What you are doing wrong is that you are using a Yeasu APRS radio.  Yaesu, in their infinite wisdom, does not allow transmitting from outside the unit.  It will only transmit what it internally generates.  Even their protocol for passing decoded packets out the serial port is not quite the same as all other APRS radios before it.

If you want to transmit, by Yeasu's own documentation, you must hook up an external TNC and completely ignore the APRS capabilities of the radio itself.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

PS.  I just quick-scanned the FTM-400 documentation and I didn't even see how to connect an external TNC to that model.

On 8/9/2020 3:23 PM, Sean Rafferty wrote:
I am unable to transmit through the program. When I look at CONFIGURE>PORTS>FTM-400(the radio I am using) Xmit Enable is not checked. Even if I check it it will not stay checked, when I look again, it is still not checked.
What am I doing wrong?


Transmitting through APRRSISC32

Sean Rafferty
 

I am unable to transmit through the program. When I look at CONFIGURE>PORTS>FTM-400(the radio I am using) Xmit Enable is not checked. Even if I check it it will not stay checked, when I look again, it is still not checked.
What am I doing wrong?


Re: APRS

Rob Giuliano
 

WELCOME!

I assume that since you are in this forum you are referring to using the KPC-3+ with APRSIS32.
There are 2 options fro working with the KPC3 and both are explained here:

Many people prefer to place the KPC-3+ in KISS mode outside of APRSIS32.  The KPC-3+ will stay in KISS mode even after resets and power cycles, so this works fine.  The above WIKI page explains how that is done.
This requires a terminal emulator (Like TeraTerm, PuTTY, or old Windows Hyperterminal) and the commands found in the KPC-3+ manual.

The alternative (and one really don't "need" any external computer applications) is to edit the APRSIS32.xml file OPEN commands to place the KPC-3+ in KISS mode when the application starts, and CLOSE to exit KISS when you exit APRSIS32.  This is also explained at the above WIKI link. 

Post back an issues or questions.

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 1:52:50 PM EDT, Michael McNamara via groups.io <n3mrm@...> wrote:


I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.


Re: APRS

Michael McNamara
 

Thank you Fred. I’ll give it a try.

Mike N3MRM


On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Fred Hillhouse <fmhillhouse@...> wrote:



On the one I had, I used a terminal emulator. At the time I used HyperTerminal PE. Now I would use PuTTY.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

 

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I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.




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Re: APRS

Fred Hillhouse
 

On the one I had, I used a terminal emulator. At the time I used HyperTerminal PE. Now I would use PuTTY.

 

Fred N7FMH

 

 

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Subject: [APRSISCE] APRS

 

I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.




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APRS

Michael McNamara
 

I’m new to aprs. I’m using a ftm100de and  kantronics kpc-3 plus. My question is, what computer program should I use to configure the kpc-3, to use with aprs.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Morning James.

Well I know everybody would like more info. I just don't have any more to give. If I had more I could probably figure it out too. Shut down Putty and tried to reconnect to program,nothing happens. I can reconnect with putty though. This new cable I am trying has drivers from 2009. When I reconnect with putty I have to restart the KPC 3+ or else it will not decode any strings. Again I have tried this  same route with the program too with no results. And Rob I will try and send a snippet of what you asked for.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

James Ewen
 

The rest of the world will tell you that it will work.  

If putty can access the serial port on the machine, then APRSISCE/32 should be able to as well. 

You will need to release the port from putty and then tell APRSISCE/32 to open the port. 

We have asked for a terminal emulator tool within APRSISCE/32 for many years, and Lynn has hinted at including one some day. It would be very handy in situations like this to allow one to be able to test serial communications, and prove out operations. Many people get caught trying to make multiple programs talk to the serial port at the same time. 

It is difficult to diagnose and test functions without the proper tools. It is difficult to be able to diagnose and correct problems like this over email. People including myself are giving partial hints at what to try, and you are giving minimal information back about what is happening. That’s not to fault anyone, it’s just the nature of the beast. Any one of us sitting at your computer could probably have you up and running in a minute or two. But this method takes a lot of time because both sides have limited focus. There’s going to be something that you are missing in what we are telling you to do, and/or something that you are not reporting back to us. 

Once you have it working, there will probably be an aha! moment where the tiny missing piece is discovered. 

It will work, guaranteed! 🤪

James

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:24 AM <ve6frc@...> wrote:
Tried that route yesterday James, program failed to open port.

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James
VE6SRV


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Tried that route yesterday James, program failed to open port.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

James Ewen
 

Nope, only one program can have control of the serial port at a time. 

Shut down putty and then get APRSISCE/32 to connect to the serial port. 

James

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:08 AM <ve6frc@...> wrote:
Hi Rob.

Not at home right now, had to head out for a bit. I didn't shut Putty down, according to what Lynn posted I should be able to run both. Putty is seeing the RF strings the 3+ -icom setup is receiving.

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James
VE6SRV


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

ve6frc@...
 

Hi Rob.

Not at home right now, had to head out for a bit. I didn't shut Putty down, according to what Lynn posted I should be able to run both. Putty is seeing the RF strings the 3+ -icom setup is receiving.


Re: RX/TX From radio/tnc

Rob Giuliano
 

You are disconnecting (shutting down) PuTTY before trying to connect with APRSIS32?
Does APRSIS32 say {RF Port} OK?

What strings is PuTTY seeing?

Maybe post the section of the RF Port log when you try to connect.
It shouldlook something like this:

WinMain:2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 Starting Port(TNC)
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 CpReader Running on COM6:19200,N,8,1 (1 OpenCmds, 1 CloseCmds)
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 Opening COM6:19200,N,8,1
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.918 Opening COM6 with 4 Args
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:Packet Length 1 Version 1
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:ServiceMask 0x1 Reserved1 0x0
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:MaxQueue Tx 4096 Rx 4096 Baud 131072
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:Provider SubType 1 Capabilities 0xCB
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.927 COM6:Settable Params 63 Baud 0x66BFF Data 0xF StopParity 0x1F07
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.928 COM6:Current Queue Tx 4096 Rx 4096
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.928 COM6:Provider Specifics 0x0 0x0
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.949 CpOpen:Port COM6 19200,N,8,1 !CTSFlow !DSRFlow OutXon(10) !InXoff(10) DTR_ENABLE !DSRSense RTS_ENABLE
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.949 Opened COM6:19200,N,8,1, Flushing 0 in TransmitQueue, Sending 1 OpenCmds
Port(TNC):2020-08-06T13:41:39.949 Command[1]:~

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 8:46:28 AM EDT, ve6frc@... <ve6frc@...> wrote:


Hi Lynn.

Got up early and used another cable on com6. Have putty connected and redid VHF2 port on APRSIS32. Putty is seeing the strings with no problem. Negative action from the APRSIS32 though.

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