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Re: Direwolf error message

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

If you turn off the GridSquare in your Configure / Status... / Status Report box, this gridsquare will not be included.  It's not good practice to transmit a gridsquare in your status report if you're also beaconing a lat/lon in a position report.  I tried to confirm this via aprs.fi, but apparently VE7DH isn't getting to an IGate.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/26/2019 8:57 PM, Roy Schulz wrote:
If you look in the attached file you will see a line in red that tells us that a grid square with the last 2 letters in lower case is not according to specification. I looked through the aprs program to see if I could adjust this but could not find anything, so suspect it is generated internally.

By the way, VE7DH is me, being received by one of my SDRs.

regards, Roy


Direwolf error message

Roy VE7DH
 

If you look in the attached file you will see a line in red that tells us that a grid square with the last 2 letters in lower case is not according to specification. I looked through the aprs program to see if I could adjust this but could not find anything, so suspect it is generated internally.

By the way, VE7DH is me, being received by one of my SDRs.

regards, Roy


Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

Rob Giuliano
 

Remember, that if you intend to TX from APRSISce/32 through the AGW port, it will on TX on the KISS PORT ID 0 (zero).

So the best method would be:
D710/Signalink/AGW combo would be KISS port 0 (zero)
   AGW Properties (from task bar)
      Port1 TNC Type:  SoundCard - SoundCard Selection: USB SignaLink
      TNC RadioPort:  APRS Ports Kiss Id: 0
RTL/SD app/AGW combo on a different KISS port
   AGW Properties (from task bar) second device
      Port1 TNC Type:  SoundCard - SoundCard Selection: Virtual Audio Cable
      TNC RadioPort:  Satellites Ports Kiss Id: 1 (or your choice)  

NOTE: TNC Radio port is the AX.25 port name which AGW dfefault is 145.650Mhz 1200baud
    I like to keep these simple, one word descritpions.
    In the example above, I changed them to APRS and Sattellite              

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 3:44:30 PM EST, KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...> wrote:


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 11:06 AM, Rob Giuliano wrote:

>

> You MUST keep the port numbers on the far right unique for each port.  AGW
> tends to asume a dual port TNC and starts with KISS ports IDs of 0 (zero) and
> 16.  When you create the second port, you must change the ports.

Yikes!

So far, I only select Single-Port when dealing with the D710.

from any program.

--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL



Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

KD7YZ Bob
 

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 11:06 AM, Rob Giuliano wrote:

You MUST keep the port numbers on the far right unique for each port.  AGW
tends to asume a dual port TNC and starts with KISS ports IDs of 0 (zero) and
16.  When you create the second port, you must change the ports.
Yikes!

So far, I only select Single-Port when dealing with the D710.

from any program.

--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

Rob Giuliano
 

One option, which might not do everything you want, but will split the decodes into ports is to use AGWmonitor.  This is a kind of TCP sniffer for AGW information.
It will have a tab for each AGWpe port in use, and a tab of combined ports.

By jumping between the tabs for each device, you can see which has more decoded messages.  It also keeps an mheard list and see which has more data.

You MUST keep the port numbers on the far right unique for each port.  AGW tends to asume a dual port TNC and starts with KISS ports IDs of 0 (zero) and 16.  When you create the second port, you must change the ports.

Port1 and Port 2 would be on the first "Dual Port" AGW soundcard and use 0 and 16.
  If onlu a single port is designated, then use KISS port ID 0
Port3 and Port 4 would be on the second "Dual Port" AGW soundcard and use 8 and 9 (or something).
  If onlu a single port is designated, then use KISS port ID 8.

Otherwise you have 2 different TNCs reporting on the same KISS ID (0) on the same TCPIP port (8000).  Not sure of the impact, but I do know the software won't be able to tell which is which - if it even works properly. 

Of course, as discussed, a second instance on a different TCPIP port will also solve this issue.




Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 9:03:35 AM EST, Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> wrote:


AGWpe supports multiple ports.  They all come over the single TCP/IP
port connection to APRSISCE/32.  APRSISCE/32 will receive from all
channels and display the receptions, but it can only transmit on the
"first" (0) port configured in AGWpe.

So, if you ahve a single instance of AGWpe reading both your D710's
audio direct as well as the SDR, you're already receiving packets
decoded from both channels.

The "problem" is that, IIRC, you're trying to compare antenna
performance.  APRSISCE/32 isn't doing to differentiate visibly which
packet was received from which AGW-internal port, so you won't be able
to tell which antenna/radio solution is working better.

When I run trials to compare TNCs and decoding abilities, I usually fire
up a second copy of APRSIS32 and configure a dedicated port into that
instance.  Then I can put the two windows side-by-side, configure the
scroller to show RF-only, and just watch the packets come in as well as
what accumulates on the map (View / RF / All).

To run a second copy of APRSIS32, simply copy the .EXE into a new
directory and double-click it there.  You'll need to use a unique -SSID
on this second instance and configure your new port from there.

I can't help you with getting 2 instances of AGWpe running though, but
you'll want that as opposed to DireWolf to compare your antenna.  It is
important to have as much the same as you can and that definitely
applies to the actual audio decoder.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/24/2019 8:49 AM, KD7YZ Bob wrote:
> Season's greetings Lynn, Rob, Jack:
>
> I am using AGWPE (Paid), called "Packet Engine Pro".
> In AGWPE (PEP) I set up a single TNC from "SoundCard".
> This Device is the Data-Port-Cable going from the D710 Data-port to the SignaLink soundcard device.
> I find that the data Port, "however" I have the D710 configured, is actually reading Ch-B ...
> I have a screenshot showing the Sound-Control-Panel and this device ...many green bars when I open the Squelch knob on the right-hand channel.
>
> However, I see no way on this web interface to add a jpeg. And I think I already said I stopped email delivery due to many many missing posts after I ask a "Q" on this board via email. Now just the Web Interface.
>
> So, AGWPE also is read by UISS. I wsee the Sat Traffic from the Ch-B side.
>
> In APRSIS32, I setup an AGW Port to see TelNet --- localhost Port 8000" from AGWPE .... which I assume is exporting the Data-Cable (D710) data, which I know to be Ch-B st at 145.825.
>
> Now to th heart of my question:
>
> I use SDR-Console Version-3. Feeding in to that is one of my RTL's.
> Output of that SDR-Console "Radio" is to Virtual-Audio-Cable Line-1 .... which is also listed in the Soundcard-App from Dev-Man.
>
> But how would that AGWPE Port-2 get to APRSIS32?
>
> "localhost" is already in use. It "IS" logical that AGWPE could Rx on Port One from Data-Port of D710 Ch-B on 145.825 and "whatever I set SDR-Console to would also at this time be 145.825 on a SPID rotator, would also be sending data through AGWPE TelNet on port 8000 ...
>
>
> And ?
>
> Since there is only ONE setting in AGWPE (PEP) where  I can set a port (8000 in the default case, how do I pipe output from a second AGWPE port to APRSIS32?
>
> Maybe run a UZ7HO standalone soundmodem into localhost port 7999 or 8001, or ?
>
> would liked to have added some "settings" specific screenshots to this. However I am still an uneducated newbie and can't figure how to do it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

KD7YZ Bob
 

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 09:03 AM, Lynn Deffenbaugh wrote:
.......

So, if you ahve a single instance of AGWpe reading both your D710's
audio direct as well as the SDR, you're already receiving packets
decoded from both channels.
(?) by way of the "AGW" "Port" I'd configured in APRSIS/32 already?




The "problem" is that, IIRC, you're trying to compare antenna
performance.  APRSISCE/32 isn't doing to differentiate visibly which
packet was received from which AGW-internal port, so you won't be able
to tell which antenna/radio solution is working better.
Ah, i SEE. AGWPE captures an ISS packet off Port one , the Loop-Stack antennas feeding D710 Channel-B. However NOT rx'd simultaneously from the SDR ... feeds it TelNet'd to ur program ... I iGate it but have no clue if it came from Loops or small M2'd 2m/70cm yagi's on SPID ... albeit mounted MUCHO lower than the 50' high Loops on the ridgeline ....OK.

I will try the 2nd instance of ur pgm ... but I think I once was able to run UZ7HO soundmodem whilst running AGWPE and output to localhost & Port 8001 ... KENNO REMEMBER HOW i DID THAT, hi hi .

Will give ur initial idea of 2nd iteration of ur program ... after I go feed some livestock.

will report back later.

tnx help guys.

--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

AGWpe supports multiple ports.  They all come over the single TCP/IP port connection to APRSISCE/32.  APRSISCE/32 will receive from all channels and display the receptions, but it can only transmit on the "first" (0) port configured in AGWpe.

So, if you ahve a single instance of AGWpe reading both your D710's audio direct as well as the SDR, you're already receiving packets decoded from both channels.

The "problem" is that, IIRC, you're trying to compare antenna performance.  APRSISCE/32 isn't doing to differentiate visibly which packet was received from which AGW-internal port, so you won't be able to tell which antenna/radio solution is working better.

When I run trials to compare TNCs and decoding abilities, I usually fire up a second copy of APRSIS32 and configure a dedicated port into that instance.  Then I can put the two windows side-by-side, configure the scroller to show RF-only, and just watch the packets come in as well as what accumulates on the map (View / RF / All).

To run a second copy of APRSIS32, simply copy the .EXE into a new directory and double-click it there.  You'll need to use a unique -SSID on this second instance and configure your new port from there.

I can't help you with getting 2 instances of AGWpe running though, but you'll want that as opposed to DireWolf to compare your antenna.  It is important to have as much the same as you can and that definitely applies to the actual audio decoder.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/24/2019 8:49 AM, KD7YZ Bob wrote:
Season's greetings Lynn, Rob, Jack:

I am using AGWPE (Paid), called "Packet Engine Pro".
In AGWPE (PEP) I set up a single TNC from "SoundCard".
This Device is the Data-Port-Cable going from the D710 Data-port to the SignaLink soundcard device.
I find that the data Port, "however" I have the D710 configured, is actually reading Ch-B ...
I have a screenshot showing the Sound-Control-Panel and this device ...many green bars when I open the Squelch knob on the right-hand channel.

However, I see no way on this web interface to add a jpeg. And I think I already said I stopped email delivery due to many many missing posts after I ask a "Q" on this board via email. Now just the Web Interface.

So, AGWPE also is read by UISS. I wsee the Sat Traffic from the Ch-B side.

In APRSIS32, I setup an AGW Port to see TelNet --- localhost Port 8000" from AGWPE .... which I assume is exporting the Data-Cable (D710) data, which I know to be Ch-B st at 145.825.

Now to th heart of my question:

I use SDR-Console Version-3. Feeding in to that is one of my RTL's.
Output of that SDR-Console "Radio" is to Virtual-Audio-Cable Line-1 .... which is also listed in the Soundcard-App from Dev-Man.

But how would that AGWPE Port-2 get to APRSIS32?

"localhost" is already in use. It "IS" logical that AGWPE could Rx on Port One from Data-Port of D710 Ch-B on 145.825 and "whatever I set SDR-Console to would also at this time be 145.825 on a SPID rotator, would also be sending data through AGWPE TelNet on port 8000 ...


And ?

Since there is only ONE setting in AGWPE (PEP) where I can set a port (8000 in the default case, how do I pipe output from a second AGWPE port to APRSIS32?

Maybe run a UZ7HO standalone soundmodem into localhost port 7999 or 8001, or ?

would liked to have added some "settings" specific screenshots to this. However I am still an uneducated newbie and can't figure how to do it.








Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

KD7YZ Bob
 

Season's greetings Lynn, Rob, Jack:

I am using AGWPE (Paid), called "Packet Engine Pro".
In AGWPE (PEP) I set up a single TNC from "SoundCard".
This Device is the Data-Port-Cable going from the D710 Data-port to the SignaLink soundcard device.
I find that the data Port, "however" I have the D710 configured, is actually reading Ch-B ...
I have a screenshot showing the Sound-Control-Panel and this device ...many green bars when I open the Squelch knob on the right-hand channel.

However, I see no way on this web interface to add a jpeg. And I think I already said I stopped email delivery due to many many missing posts after I ask a "Q" on this board via email. Now just the Web Interface.

So, AGWPE also is read by UISS. I wsee the Sat Traffic from the Ch-B side.

In APRSIS32, I setup an AGW Port to see TelNet --- localhost Port 8000" from AGWPE .... which I assume is exporting the Data-Cable (D710) data, which I know to be Ch-B st at 145.825.

Now to th heart of my question:

I use SDR-Console Version-3. Feeding in to that is one of my RTL's.
Output of that SDR-Console "Radio" is to Virtual-Audio-Cable Line-1 .... which is also listed in the Soundcard-App from Dev-Man.

But how would that AGWPE Port-2 get to APRSIS32?

"localhost" is already in use. It "IS" logical that AGWPE could Rx on Port One from Data-Port of D710 Ch-B on 145.825 and "whatever I set SDR-Console to would also at this time be 145.825 on a SPID rotator, would also be sending data through AGWPE TelNet on port 8000 ...


And ?

Since there is only ONE setting in AGWPE (PEP) where I can set a port (8000 in the default case, how do I pipe output from a second AGWPE port to APRSIS32?

Maybe run a UZ7HO standalone soundmodem into localhost port 7999 or 8001, or ?

would liked to have added some "settings" specific screenshots to this. However I am still an uneducated newbie and can't figure how to do it.








--
--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

Rob Giuliano
 

There are many ways, but all require a separate computer application acting as a TNC. 
Any RTL application  to control the RTL dongle will allow the RTL to be the input, the Virtual Audio Cable (VAC) is the output from that, the VAC becomes the input to a TNC application application (see below), and the output is typically through a TCP port to APRSIS32 (either AGW or KISS over TCP).
The most TNC popular applications are:
     DireWolf
     AGW
     UZ7HO
     and a few satellite specific options.

NOTE: Orbitron seems to work well with RTL apps (frequency control) and satellite tracking.
            I used Oriobitron and the DDE to SDR option in HDSDR to control the frequency.
            CubicSD has rig control options, but I have not tried that setup.
Antenna wise, the best is a good "truly" omni direction antenna (like a 1/4 wave)

Robert Giuliano
KB8RCO



On Monday, December 23, 2019, 8:06:23 AM EST, KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...> wrote:


GM

Is there a way I can configure APRSIS32 to hear a soundcard-listed device?
I have a  couple of virtual audio cables, Line-1, that outputs from an RTL dongle, from 145.825.

I would like to have them report APRS/AX.25  Seats.
I have been wondering which of the antenna situations "might" be better, here.
Thus if APRSIS32 could get input, I might be able to tell which is working.

Right now I have APRSIS off a Kenwood D710 Port from the Data cable output.

Works.

that's the stacked loops. Now I want to check a couple others and need the ability to pipe soundcard decode from SDR-Console, into APRSIS32.

thanks in advance for help.

Bob KD7YZ EM88LL


--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL



Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

Lynn Deffenbaugh
 

APRSISCE/32 does not support soundcard decoding.  Look for DireWolf, UZ7HO's SoundModem, or SVG's AGWpe.  There are various ways to interface APRSISCE/32 to these soundcard decoders so you can see the received packets.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 12/23/2019 8:06 AM, KD7YZ Bob wrote:
GM

Is there a way I can configure APRSIS32 to hear a soundcard-listed device?
I have a couple of virtual audio cables, Line-1, that outputs from an RTL dongle, from 145.825.

I would like to have them report APRS/AX.25 Seats.
I have been wondering which of the antenna situations "might" be better, here.
Thus if APRSIS32 could get input, I might be able to tell which is working.

Right now I have APRSIS off a Kenwood D710 Port from the Data cable output.

Works.

that's the stacked loops. Now I want to check a couple others and need the ability to pipe soundcard decode from SDR-Console, into APRSIS32.

thanks in advance for help.

Bob KD7YZ EM88LL


--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


Re: How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

Jack L. Blake Sr (AI4LL)
 

Bob,
I have a kenwood D-710 and the data cable. Can you share how you have it hooked up? 
Jack L. Blake



On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 8:06 AM KD7YZ Bob <kd7yz@...> wrote:
GM

Is there a way I can configure APRSIS32 to hear a soundcard-listed device?
I have a  couple of virtual audio cables, Line-1, that outputs from an RTL dongle, from 145.825.

I would like to have them report APRS/AX.25  Seats.
I have been wondering which of the antenna situations "might" be better, here.
Thus if APRSIS32 could get input, I might be able to tell which is working.

Right now I have APRSIS off a Kenwood D710 Port from the Data cable output.

Works.

that's the stacked loops. Now I want to check a couple others and need the ability to pipe soundcard decode from SDR-Console, into APRSIS32.

thanks in advance for help.

Bob KD7YZ EM88LL


--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL




How to make a new PORT that listens to a soundcard?

KD7YZ Bob
 

GM

Is there a way I can configure APRSIS32 to hear a soundcard-listed device?
I have a couple of virtual audio cables, Line-1, that outputs from an RTL dongle, from 145.825.

I would like to have them report APRS/AX.25 Seats.
I have been wondering which of the antenna situations "might" be better, here.
Thus if APRSIS32 could get input, I might be able to tell which is working.

Right now I have APRSIS off a Kenwood D710 Port from the Data cable output.

Works.

that's the stacked loops. Now I want to check a couple others and need the ability to pipe soundcard decode from SDR-Console, into APRSIS32.

thanks in advance for help.

Bob KD7YZ EM88LL


--
KD7YZ Bob EM88LL


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

K7OI-Mark
 

K tnx fer info. Looked on Aprs.fi at my telemetry and it appears I'm ok. Using my call k7oi-8 for every transmission not an object like Snkrvr. 
My ant is at 20ft 3db gain and running 10w for now just to see what's happening as I learn. Seems my 857d is still putting right along and hopefully it's filling in where needed as needed. Guess I'll wait to hear what others in the area think.
73s
K7OI-8


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

David Andrzejewski
 

My digis follow this recommendation to the T. 


-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00


On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:53, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...> wrote:



Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 



On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

George Smith <n7jjy@...>
 

Yes once and from watching the beacon string even twice. just saying



On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM, Robert Bruninga
<bruninga@...> wrote:

Yes, everyone that hears it will repeat it once.  And digis can hear each other quite a distance away. (when not collided).

Bob

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:04 PM
To: bruninga@...; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: RE: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

Maybe. But watching the actual beacons there are numerous digi's repeating a beacon with the path set to wide2-1.   Just my observation!!

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Robert Bruninga
 

Yes, everyone that hears it will repeat it once.  And digis can hear each other quite a distance away. (when not collided).

Bob

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:04 PM
To: bruninga@...; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: RE: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

Maybe. But watching the actual beacons there are numerous digi's repeating a beacon with the path set to wide2-1.   Just my observation!!

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

George Smith <n7jjy@...>
 

Maybe. But watching the actual beacons there are numerous digi's repeating a beacon with the path set to wide2-1.   Just my observation!!



On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:07 AM, Robert Bruninga
<bruninga@...> wrote:

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Robert Bruninga
 

I think you might be misunderstanding WIDE2-1.  That is a single hop just like WIDE1-1.  (It’s the -1 that counts).  But it has the advantage of not brining up all those WIDE1-1 digis that are only fill ins. 

 

My house is a fill-in WIDE1-1 but each time it digipeats, it messes up the TV.  I don’t mind that when there is a local mobile passing by (very rare) but it is frustrating when someone with a high location (such as a digi) uses the path  of WIDE1-1 and squiggles my TV on every beacon 24/7/365…

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

 

 

 

From: N7JJY George <n7jjy@...>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 12:28 PM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io; Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>; APRSISCE@groups.io
Cc: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@...>
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 

de N7JJY

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga

<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 

 

On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

George Smith <n7jjy@...>
 

I have 8 digi's and I make them I'd once an hour and the path set for wide1-1 consideration for it reaching an igate or 2 in case one igate goes down it would digi through another one to reach another igate.  Wide2-1 is a waste of space for a digi especially ones in high places as I have seen it happen in Colorado. The only job if the digi is to get a signal to the nearest igate ONLY. IMHO. 
de N7JJY



On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM, Robert Bruninga
<bruninga@...> wrote:

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 



On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)


Re: How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

Robert Bruninga
 

Just to confirm.   Please never send a 10 minute DIGI id over any digi path.  Send it local direct. (no hops)

If it also has a 30 minute copy then that can be sent via a single WIDE2-1 so that it can be seen in the region but less frequently.  If you have a one hour beacon, then that can be a WIDE2-2 path if the local channel is not to busy, but that will cove entire states back east…

 

These details are buried in http://aprs.org/fix14439.html

 

On that page we have shown a method of using the 4 LTexts and single BText to send a local 10 minute beacon, and a regional (1 hop) 30 minute beacon.  This leaves three more texts available for LOCAL frequency objects (Also sent locally, Direct (no hops) once every ten minutes. See http://aprs.org/localinfo.html

 

Only the digi can originate these things, because only the digi has a high sight and will only transmit this local info when the channel is truly clear so tht it does not interfere with any other packets.

 

Do not generate these extra objects at home. Because that location cannot hear all the channel the digi hears and will be just another hidden transmitter adding congestion on the channel.

 

Bob, WB4APR

 

From: APRSISCE@groups.io <APRSISCE@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Andrzejewski via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 11:35 AM
To: APRSISCE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [APRSISCE] How often does an APRS DIGI need to I'd?

 

This is what I do. My digis use meaningful callsigns with their location, and I just have it set to send an ax.25 packet with my callsign every 10 minutes. That way there’s no gray area and it follows US regs. 

 

-- 

David Andrzejewski
E-mail/iMessage/Jabber: david@...
PGP Key ID: 736DCF00

 



On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:31, Randy Love <rlove31@...> wrote:



Depends.  

If your Digi is using a callsign, then it id's every packet that is send, whether originated by APRISCE, or digipeated.

 

If your digi is using a tactical call, say for example BIGMTN, just have a status message or beacon text sent every 10 mins with you callsign in it.

US regulations, of course. 

 

73,

Randy

WF5X

(SHLBTP digi)

 

 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:24 AM K7OI-Mark <K7oi.us@...> wrote:

Hi K7OI (Mark)
I remember when aprs first started there was chatter about how often to id.
Is there a rule about beaconing or digipeater.

Currently my beacon is set to 60m.
K7OI(Mark)